Befitting of Kings?
PROGRAMMING NOTE: Don't forget to tune into Purple, Gold, and Blue at 11. AK will have the news from Sacramento.
They say one measure of a great team is the ability to win games it shouldn't. If that's indeed true, the 117-105 win L.A. picked up Tuesday night in Sacramento makes them, because anyone who watched the first 40+ minutes would agree the Lakers looked pretty ugly. The defense in particular was awful, giving the Kings so many free and easy trips to the basket it seemed like they had a police escort. But while the Lakers still had some issues from the perimeter and the bench wasn't providing much, L.A. still managed to stick around and stay within striking distance about halfway through the fourth. Good thing, too, since that's when the fun started. Kobe related fun, really. 17 of his 34 came in the final quarter- the final 6:42 of the final quarter- as the purple and gold quickly erased an eight point Sacramento's lead. On the other end, the Lakers tightened up the D, getting key stops over a four minute stretch and allowing the comeback to gain some traction.
The performance was enough to get L.A. the W, and for Kobe to hear "MVP" chants from a heretofore hostile Sacramento crowd (or, if you prefer, a Sacramento crowd that used to sell tix so fast, Lakers fans couldn't get in the building- either way, it was certainly unexpected). Of course, a quick check of the box shows Kobe wasn't alone. 31/10/4 for Pau Gasol, 19/12/3 from L.O., and 17 points from D. Fish- including a very welcome 4-7 from downtown- also made a difference.
While the reception was different, Kobe's performance looked familiar to Sacto fans,
who have watched
the Lakers rebound while their franchise sits in that
NBA purgatory that comes from not being good enough for the playoffs,
but not sucking enough to get a truly great pick in the draft. But whatever. That's not anything the Lakers need to worry about while pushing for a championship (there are folks who like their chances, for sure). They have important things to consider.
You know, like the MVP.
This will hardly shock, but Kobe's coaches and teammates are all squarely behind 24's candidacy. And certainly voters won't be put off by the Lakers' gaudy record this season- something that's held Bryant back over the last few seasons. (These days, at least according to TJ Simers, it's overall likability that's keeping him down- we're going to assume that the irony of the headline is intentional.)
Along those lines- Dwyer, point. Neiman, counterpoint. Dupree, likes 'em both, gives Kobe the edge.
In other news...
Chris Anderson is set to rejoin the Hornets, and knows he has little wiggle room this time around. And, as expected, the Suns officially inked Gordan Giricek while Dallas did the same with Ty Lue.
DraftExpress.com takes a look at UCLA's Russell Westbrook. Kevin Love says there's no guarantee he's a one-and-done.
Former Suns PG Kevin Johnson is running for mayor of Sacramento. Why not? Meanwhile, Chris Kaman wants to play for the German National Team in Beijing. A little odd... but why not?






I think the key turning point in last nights game was when Vlad came in off the bench and brought some new energy to the team. He didnt have any kind of stat line to speak of and he seemed a little out of sorts but you could tell he wanted to be out there and even called of Odom so he could guard Artest a couple of time and had a big offensive rebound, plus he spread the floor and Kobe and Gasol started taking it down the middle of the lane. Everyone else picked up there energy and started feeding of this and Kobe started going off once he was able to get some lay ups. You can talk about stats Walton vs. Vlad but look at the intagibles and look at the turning points in the game. Vlad was +4 in the game with limited minutes but in an important stretch of the game everyone else was negative off the bench and if he had gotten 13 shots in the game I dont think he would have gone 3-13.
Posted by: Ken | March 05, 2008 at 09:56 AM
I for one, am tired of winning games we should lose. Maybe I've gotten a bit spoiled, but I'd like to see us get back to beating the hell out of people. haha
Posted by: Xodus | March 05, 2008 at 09:57 AM
Good Morning Laker Family!
On this positive note, that was another grind it out win for the Lakers. Thanks to the starters and the will of Kobe Bryant. (Fish 17pts, Odom 19pts and Gasol 31pts) Kobe is definitely energized and I saw him pulling the front of his jersey and talking to the Fans. I love it! I have never seen him tug his jersey and show his team pride in the last 3-4 years like that. If anybody was blasting their Los Angeles Kcal 9 TV, you may have caught him screaming "I got a team now, I got some players now! You see this s#*t!" (and then pulls the front of his jersey as if he and KG drank from the same can of Red bull) What about the last 6 minutes of defense by the Lakers!
Definitely a Good Morning to you all!
PS Anybody listen to the Game on AM570 with Both Spero and Matt Money? I would love to hear them do play by play together. Who was playing color guy? I would appreciate the input.
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 09:58 AM
Good morning, my Laker Blog Family!
Ugly game last night, but a great win... we'll take it.
Here's something I'd like to throw out there... do you guys think that the
NBA's schedule maker actually did the Lakers a favor in having all four
games against both the Kings and the Blazers AFTER the All-Star break?
Now hear me out... Not because, at the moment, neither one is a playoff
team. But rather, for the following two reasons:
1) Playing a team four times in a shortened timeframe simulates the
playoff atmosphere... preparing to face an opponent so often leads to
recognizing tendencies and breeds familiarity. The "Home-and-Home"
back-to-back against the Warriors will also help in this regard.
2) Playing these particular two teams, twice, in their buildings, two of the
arenas where the Lakers are most hated, really prepares them for the hostile
crowds encountered during the playoff.
The remaining games should not be taken lightly and I really want to see them
pull out a victory in Portland like they did last night in Cow-Town.
60 is the new 55! Keep the drive alive!
Posted by: Bzar | March 05, 2008 at 09:58 AM
Mornin' Mamba,
Mornin' Charles,
GOOOOOD Mornin' Lakerland!!!
Pau is starting to scowl... I like it.
Got swagger?
Posted by: Vman | March 05, 2008 at 09:59 AM
T.J. Simers is like that lil' turd-lette in the toilet bowl that just won't flush, no matter how many times you pull the lever.
what a tool!
Kobe Bryant Drinks yer Milkshake sucka!!
-Fowl Out
Posted by: Flagrant Fowl | March 05, 2008 at 10:00 AM
What a great game -- much of it thanks to Kobe.
If Kobe continues his current level of performance, there will be no denying him the MVP.
Posted by: DK | March 05, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Good Morning Mamba24, Good Morning Charles, Good Morning Laker Nation!
Ugly win, but a win nonetheless. All is well in Laker Nation!
Posted by: toad | March 05, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Nice, if not ugly, win. The King/Queen fan sitting next to me was talking ess all night like he'd never seen a bball game before. Shut right on up in the 4th, tho!!
Posted by: stevevilakers | March 05, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Yessssss
now i'm sure... MVP MVP MVP
Posted by: polymar | March 05, 2008 at 10:06 AM
What's up Charles!!! Good Morning Mamba!!! Good Morning Laker Fans!!!
(I'll even say Good Morning to the trolls - you know who you are!!!)
It' is another glorious day in LA LA LAND, another W to celebrate, another PERFORMANCE FOR THE AGES from the BEST PLAYER ON THE PLANET.
What's not to LOVE????
Do you all realize how lucky we are to have KB24 on our side?? To get to watch his inspirational WILL TO WIN. He is truly a FORCE OF NATURE.
Love him or hate him, everyone in the league, including the fans, is getting an up close look at one of the FIERCEST COMPETITORS we have ever had in the world of sports. Do you all understand how rare this privilege is??
If we all worked as hard at being the best at what we do as Kobe does, WOW what a world this would be!!
Let the haters hate. They are blind and we should pity them, not revile them. How sad to be unable to appreciate artistry like this.
SO, KB24 I SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE JOY YOU BRING TO LAKER NATION!!!
SAY IT LOUD AND SAY IT PROUD!!!
KOBE FOR MVP!!!
KOBE FOR MVP!!!
KOBE FOR MVP!!!
Posted by: DrewPauKobe | March 05, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Goo Lakers. Good Morning everyone
Posted by: Paul Lee | March 05, 2008 at 10:14 AM
LakerTom,
If the Lakers get Ron Artest, it won't be through a trade, it will be through free agency this summer. Ron has the ability to opt out of his contract, and I'd put the odds of that happening at around 98%. The next part would be to convince him to forego other slightly more lucrative offers elsewhere and a much more lucrative offer from SacTown. Sacramento may try to do a sign and trade which would help both Artest and the Kings, but it isn't a requirement. If Artest is willing to take the MLE, then he can have his choice of teams, including the Lakers.
I do think Artest was more valuable than Lamar last night. Lamar played very well as you pointed out, but you ommitted that Ron was playing a tougher defensive assignment in Kobe; and Kobe did have an off night from the field. I know they aren't totally related, but Ron did play Kobe really well. Secondly, and this has nothing really to do with Ron, but Lamar missed a lot of open cuts off the ball and these resulted in a handful of turnovers. It's okay, he will learn (we all hope). Thirdly, Ron Artest scored mostly as a primary option whereas Lamar had a lot of garbage points (open cuts, rebound put backs, etc). Therefore, the shooting percentages aren't really a fair comparison.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that the Lakers won't trade Lamar for Artest. If Sacramento would do a sign and trade, I don't think they do it for the Lakers and I don't think they do it for an expiring contract in Odom. They will try to get a young talent instead. But, if Dr. Buss is willing to pay the MLE to Ron + the MLE to the NBA (luxury tax) and Ron is willing to take a $2+ million pay cut, he could wind up on the Lakers next season. I think what you saw from him tonight is a prime example of why he would fit in nicely. His defense is as lockdown as they get, his offensive capabilities are surprisingly good, and his intensity is ALWAYS there. BTW, he is not a guy that requires to be the first option, he just does that because it's what his team needs. The guy isn't Gary Payton. When Lamar "shut down" Artest, it was really Lamar's solid defense, plus just a little "show" by the team. Artest got whatever he wanted against Lamar straight up, but the minute the Lakers began to double him, he did the right thing and passed out of the double (thus, everyone saying that Lamar shut him down). If you put him on a team with Kobe, Pau, and Drew, there's no way he'll ever get doubled, and if he did, he's either passing it out for a three, or passing it inside for a DUNK).
To SonnyBelfast & all Sacramento Fans:
The Kings are a CLASS organization. I'm not sure why I didn't know it before, but I sure do now. Yes, I heard the fan who said "remind you of Colorado" and I hit rewind on my DVR... I did think that was a bit of a cheap shot by a fan, but understandable none the less. The Kings team, the Kings management... all very upright and CLASSY. They are a team worthy of cheering for, and I can see myself cheering for them (of course when they're not playing the Lakers).
The announcers last night were some of the BEST in the business. Since I do not reside in L.A., I got to listen to the King's feed... while I don't quite understand why the NBA doesn't just pick up KCAL everytime (they at least broadcast in HD), if I had to listen to another team's announcers, it would be the Kings. It was a PLEASURE listening to them call the game. They, of course, were excited and giddy all throughout the game as the Kings were handing it to the Lakers, but they continually were balanced in their takes.
I hold the team and organization responisble for this.
That is why I'll go out on a limb and just say Portland is a classless franchise. These announcers are the FACE and are the VOICE of the team. The Kings conduct themselves with such high class, that even Kobe went over and shook the Maloof's hands (and then the announcers said "I wonder if they can get him to put on a Kings jersey, that would really be great". The only negative was stuff WE ALREADY SAY HERE, stuff like how our team (specifically Kobe) complains on every single call... spot on.
I'll listen to the Kings announcers any day of the week & I feel like maybe they are our little brother and not the Clipps...
Hearing the MVP chants (while the game was still in question) was like music to my ears. Amazing.
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 05, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Usually BK and AK do not travel with the team. How were you guys able to provide all this coverage?
Posted by: Tej | March 05, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Good morning Laker family! (it's 7:20 PM here, haha!)
It's good to see Radman back. Go Vlady!
Posted by: Tsiry | March 05, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Bzar,
You are right, though I don't think it's limited to the Lakers. In particular, I know Chicago and Cleveland didn't play at all until last week and still have 3 more against each other. I think maybe Detroit is the same way. It's a bubble in the schedule I guess. The NBA likes to mix it up, which I think is a good idea because it creates little in season stretches of extra intensity. The down side is middle of the road teams like Sac rarely play the same quality all season, and in this case the Lakers might have had easier games against them early in the year, harder games now.
But, the Lakers need harder games to test themselves, so it works out OK I guess.
Posted by: DrewPauKobe | March 05, 2008 at 10:21 AM
AK/Bk Thanks for the Warning on the TJ link.
Its appreciated. I am assuming its more crap-ola. HaHa
Posted by: frank1rizzo | March 05, 2008 at 10:21 AM
Right after Kobe was fouled hard by Brad Miller to go to the line for his first points of the 4th quarter on the Kings broadcast your could hear a fan behind the basket scream, "Remind you of Colorado?" After that Kobe was all fired up, screaming towards that section after a basket or two. Bad idea to tick Kobe off when he's otherwise seemed lethargic.
After Kobe drilled a jumpshot to put the game more or less away one of the Kings announcers said, "He's so good it makes you want to spit up, you know?" I'm thinking of making that call the sound my computer makes when I turn it on...
Posted by: J.D. Hastings | March 05, 2008 at 10:22 AM
LakerTom,
Question...
I just checked out draftexpress and it says Kevin Love went to Lake Oswego High...
is that Lake Oswego Oregon??
Because if it is, LakerTom, you'll be happy to know, that high school is known as the Lake Oswego Lakers.
No kidding, it looks like the guy is a Laker through and through.
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 05, 2008 at 10:22 AM
http://ivegotabasketballblog.wordpress.com
I think Kobe is awesome. That game was not so fun to watch from a tidiness standpoint, but a win is a win. I really liked what Pau brought to the table last night. He isn't a tough guy, but can outscore almost every PF in the NBA. It will be especially nice when he moves to that position. I've got the feeling he will dominate everyone save a couple of guys like Dirk and Amare.
The most troubling part of the game last night for me was the insistence of the Laker defenders to gamble on exterior passes in order to make steals. It's just poor defense to leave such a wide open lane to the hoop like that in order for one bucket. The majority of the time it ends up as two points for the other squad. Nice for the guys to finally have a couple of days off in a row. WHat a grueling part of the schedule. They passed that test with flying colors.
Pig
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | March 05, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Last night was the type of game that the Lakers lose in years past. The team has so much confidence that you get the feeling they'll win every time. What more can be said about Kobe. The guys is MJ reincarnate.
Nice try by the LA Times to move the Simers article to the top of the Times online Lakers coverage. But guess what -- I'm still not interested. Nothing will get me to click one of his articles again unless it's an unqualified apology for belittling Lakers fanatics.
Posted by: HmrHed | March 05, 2008 at 10:25 AM
A few things came out of last night.
1) The Lakers proved they win come from behind close games..The sign of a great team.
2) The Lakers really need Bynum back for defense.
This was an important win going into this few days rest before the Clippers on Friday..I think the Lakers will end up with the #1 seed in the western conference. It will mean a lot against San Antonio.
Also, Phoenix is looking better game by game..Shaq had a decent 13 rebounds yesterday. I'm still a little worried about them!
Posted by: zen | March 05, 2008 at 10:30 AM
why is it that no one takes into account, how Kobe is thoroughly dominating the stats, for shooting guards when it comes to the MVP race. The difference between him and 2nd on a lot of those stats is unheard of . . .
Add to that, the fact that he is playing on borrowed time, with only 8.5 fingers . . . then realize how amazing this season is going for him.
Posted by: SA | March 05, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Lakers have to keep it up and keep winning these kind of games. Last year, we lose this game easy. We have the swagger right now and this is key. Sasha and Farmar have to keep jacking up 3 after 3, eventually they start to fall. Im just waiting for Bynum to come back and dunk on everyone.
Kobe=MVP
Lakers=CHAMPS
GO LAKERS
Posted by: mrbarneydangles | March 05, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Someone said yesterday to that Kelly Dwyer article that " the media makes the people " . Now with all this negativities and bad promotions toward Kobe Bryant, I don't know what is it that certain reporters are affraid of.
To me it is obvious.... Kelly Dwyer probably works for Jay-Z and LeBron, he is probably trying to screw his journalistic career for just a couple of dollars he's getting from either Jay or LeBron.. You know... trying to dish out a player as good as Kobe is so to make more money than they are already making.
I read an article on Yahoo the other day where it was saying that certain people and the media itself are starting to take off with that promotion of LeBron James knowing that he has bond with Jay-z would easily make him the first billionaire active athlete by 2012 as long as the promotions and marketing are well done.
Guess who wins with all of this?? Y'all know.
In my opinion, is like I said before, the media is now trying to make people forget about Bryant and are starting to want to promote players like Lebron so that they can continually sell thanks to certain players or individual.
Shaq "poor" O'Neal still has some games left on his sleeves but certain people and the media got to point where they are making people pay more attention to his horrendous play... and you know what has been happening... Shaq has been in declining more faster than a "Saturn vehicle" plus he doesn't help also with his big mouth.
I am just glad Kobe has been quiet lately because if he just runs his mouth... will be a huge mistake just like he did last summer.
At the end of the day, you already know that there will always be someone just like T.J Simer with stupid analises that will never make sense. Perhaps it does to his wife and his kids because other than that, he is just a guy that earns a couple of dollars to feed his family .
I tell ya... he close to extintion because he works for a company that is in the business world to sell news etc and with all his jealousity toward Bryant who in my opinion is another guy who you want to have as a partner when you want to promote something... TJ is definitely not just destroying his image but also making bad decisions to the company he works for. It may stop to sell as it has been because people will avoid read things that are not pleasing 'em.
He doesn't know what the rules of business are...
Does he know.. that people jump in the business of selling not to just sell but to please customer??? If customers are not pleased, then you don't sell period.
Posted by: T.J Simer worst enemy | March 05, 2008 at 10:45 AM
I like a few others on this blog have been a long time LA LAKERS FAN, the only team in the NBA as far I'm concerned. First off, I would like to be added to the roll call and the CHAMPIONSHIP BANDWAGON, I'll buy a first-class ticket if needed.
Second, I have watched the LAKERS since I was 10, and I am now 30. I went through SHOWTIME and I went through LOWTIMES with Nick the Quick and Ced if you remember them. I was also there for the 3-Peat and the downtimes after.
Point blank, I have NEVER seen a player as good as KB24 in a LAKERS uniform before, and I have never seen him play with the PASSION and DETERMINATION TO WIN as I have seen him play with this season. There is not another player in THE LEAGUE that can raise the level of there game when it counts like KB can.
I also think this should make clear the fact that Kobe never really wanted to leave the LAKERS, he simply wanted them to have the same PASSION and DETERMINATION TO WIN that he has and he did not feel the players currently on his roster had that. He tried to work with them and he tried for TWO to THREE years to be POLITE and POLITICALLY CORRECT about it, it's just when these methods don't work at some point you have to act out of character and make it known that there is a serious problem.
He did just that and you have seen the results, PLAYERS have stepped up and the ones who couldn't have been SHIPPED out to where they belong and have been replaced by BETTER players.
Let's not forget, MJ once slapped his own teammate in the FACE during PRACTICE. WINNERS always find a way to make people around them understand LOSING is not an option. For KB24, LOSING is not an option and if you don't feel that way he doesn't want you on his team.
The last two games were PERFECT examples of not letting yourselves LOSE, and that is why KB24 has done everything in his power to get the kind of players he NEEDS around him.
DON'T HATE, SIMPLY APPRECIATE THE GREATNESS YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES!
KB24-- THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME AS FAR I'M CONCERNED, AND WHEN HE GETS A COUPLE MORE RINGS, I BELIEVE OTHERS WILL FEEL THAT WAY AS WELL.
Thanks for listening to my rant, I promise at least one post a day for the rest of my natural life if you will just add me to the rollcall and the bandwagon baby! ........Please!?!
Posted by: Johnny Z | March 05, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Yet another TJ simers article I won't click on or read! If you guys hate TJ simers so much, why do you give him hits and click and read them? That is why he stays on at L.A times, because you guys cant stop reading what idiotic thing he says next. Dont click them or read them, and then we will fade away!
Posted by: zen | March 05, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Good morning everyone!
GREAT win - way to pull it out!
However, there is now some concern, don't you think? Can Kobe keep this up? I mean the guy is playing great, out of his mind B-ball right now, but that's got to take a toll sooner or later (of course I'm hoping later). Barring any further injury, I think the guys need to pick up their energy level on a more consistent basis. Did you see Farmar last night? He looked tired or something....and we only got 9 points from the bench? They need to pick it up - Kobe shouldn't have to do this last quarter heroic stuff to win. We need to have him sitting on the pine in the fourth doing the cheerleader thing!
GO LAKERS!
The BEAN for MVP or NO PEACE!
Posted by: justanothermambafan | March 05, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Good Morning All.............
1..Ken good point about Vlad...We need him to spread the floor ..It makes life easier for Pau and Kobe...I love seeing him catch on fire...
2..Play of the game...Kobe from the top of the key..Straight down the gutts for the jam...Loved it
3..Ak/Bk....The game day thread had 511 posts..If Mark Cuban sees that the next time we play them he might try to sign you guys to 10 day contracts if your not careful...lol
Posted by: Thirty2 | March 05, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Why did they demote simers - writing about lakers now?
We should start a petition for L.A. Times to promote him
from nascar to write about top priority stuff - like toilet seat tossing bowl in his own trailerhood.
Stop wasting his talents L.A. Times or we will boycott you.
Vote on it people - free t"jackass"s.
Count 1.
Posted by: Siva | March 05, 2008 at 10:58 AM
someone knows when Drew will be ready to play? We need him! Gasol is a great player but can't defend.
Posted by: polymar | March 05, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Tej-
One of us will be on the road for the rest of the regular season.
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | March 05, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I like a few others on this blog have been a long time LA LAKERS FAN, the only team in the NBA as far I'm concerned. First off, I would like to be added to the roll call and the CHAMPIONSHIP BANDWAGON, I'll buy a first-class ticket if needed.
Second, I have watched the LAKERS since I was 10, and I am now 30. I went through SHOWTIME and I went through LOWTIMES with Nick the Quick and Ced if you remember them. I was also there for the 3-Peat and the downtimes after.
Point blank, I have NEVER seen a player as good as KB24 in a LAKERS uniform before, and I have never seen him play with the PASSION and DETERMINATION TO WIN as I have seen him play with this season. There is not another player in THE LEAGUE that can raise the level of there game when it counts like KB can.
I also think this should make clear the fact that Kobe never really wanted to leave the LAKERS, he simply wanted them to have the same PASSION and DETERMINATION TO WIN that he has and he did not feel the players currently on his roster had that. He tried to work with them and he tried for TWO to THREE years to be POLITE and POLITICALLY CORRECT about it, it's just when these methods don't work at some point you have to act out of character and make it known that there is a serious problem.
He did just that and you have seen the results, PLAYERS have stepped up and the ones who couldn't have been SHIPPED out to where they belong and have been replaced by BETTER players.
Let's not forget, MJ once slapped his own teammate in the FACE during PRACTICE. WINNERS always find a way to make people around them understand LOSING is not an option. For KB24, LOSING is not an option and if you don't feel that way he doesn't want you on his team.
The last two games were PERFECT examples of not letting yourselves LOSE, and that is why KB24 has done everything in his power to get the kind of players he NEEDS around him.
DON'T HATE, SIMPLY APPRECIATE THE GREATNESS YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES!
KB24-- THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME AS FAR I'M CONCERNED, AND WHEN HE GETS A COUPLE MORE RINGS, I BELIEVE OTHERS WILL FEEL THAT WAY AS WELL.
Thanks for listening to my rant, I promise at least one post a day for the rest of my natural life if you will just add me to the rollcall and the bandwagon baby! ........Please!?!
Posted by: Johnny Z | March 05, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Sorry about the double post, I didn't think my message had posted, I will give it a little longer next time. Thanks again.
Posted by: Johnny Z | March 05, 2008 at 11:04 AM
John Hollinger chat yesterday a lot of Kobe/Lebron stuff---and he thinks it's not even close, Lebron should be MVP and is far and away the best player in the NBA:
here are the excerpts:
Jason (Upland): Who is your MVP for this season? Last week you said Lebron, CP3, then Kobe, despite Lebron only having a subpar 34-26 record (8 games over .500) in the WEAK East (who's team won't even be in the playoffs if they were in the West), while both CP3 and Kobe have their teams a whopping 20+ games over .500 on the TOUGH West.
John Hollinger: First of all, a lesson on schedules -- 58 of the 82 games are identical regardless of which league you're in, so in terms of individual performance and team win-loss records they rarely make a large impact.
John Hollinger: Second, as far as MVP -- LeBron James's performance has been so far beyond that of any other player that, even with his team mired in fourth in the East, he HAS TO be the choice. Apologies to Kobe and CP3 and everyone else, but the guy is head and shoulders above the rest of the league right now.
Kobe : I am the best player on the planet, but some doubt my MVP acknowledgement. WHY?
John Hollinger: Because you're only the second-best player on this planet. Hey, I'm just the messenger.
LeBron: Why does everyone think Kobe is better than me when in head to head matchups this season my team has won both, I have had better numbers, and even shut Kobe down in the forth (1-6 shooting + forcing a no-shot at the buzzer) while scoring 14 on Kobe?
John Hollinger: Yes, everyone seems to have forgotten about that. Unfortunately, Kobe scored 52 on national TV yesterday, so he's got a lot of MVP momentum right now.
John Hollinger: Two days ago, I mean.
Doug (NJ): LeBron's performance has been that far beyond everyone else? What about Kobe's historical 05-06 season? By the way, who did you vote for the last three seasons? Dirk and Nash did NOT perform head and shoulders above everyone.
John Hollinger: My last three MVP choices were Garnett (05), LeBron (06) and Nowitzki (07). The margin between LeBron, Kobe, Dirk and Wade in '06 was infinitessimal, but they were clearly the top four players in the league; I really don't understand how the vote that year turned out how it did.
Audel Del Toro, Los Angeles: So if you say Lebronis better than Kobe than if the game was on the line and you could pick Lebron or Kobe to take the game winner you would take Lebron???? (no way!)
John Hollinger: Do you mean to take the shot ... or to do all the other stuff that leads to go a good shot for himself or a teammate? Kobe is a better pure scorer, but LBJ is the better playmaker.
Posted by: 10milliondollarzen | March 05, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Hi Everybody! (Dr. Nick voice)
Don't teams/fans know you shouldn't anger the Black Mamba? It really should be in the team scouting report.
have a good one bloggers.
Posted by: Lakers Legacy | March 05, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Repost of expanded postโฆ
SO, DO YOU STILL LIKE RON ARTEST BETTER THAN LAMAR ODOM?
This game gave Laker fans the opportunity to see how Lamar Odom, our current starting small forward, stacks up against Ron Artest, whom many Laker fans wish was our small forward. The head-to-head result? Odom clearly outplayed Artest and showed why he is a far better player and fit for the Los Angeles Lakers.
First, the stats. Lamar played 40 minutes and scored 19 points on 8 for 10 shooting from the field, including 1 for 1 from 3-point land, pulled down 12 boards, dished out 3 dimes, and made 1 steal and 1 block and 4 turnovers. Ron played 40 minutes also and scored 23 points on 10 of 23 shooting from the field, including 0 for 4 from 3-point land, pulled down 5 boards, dished out 2 dimes, and made 1 steal, 2 blocks, and 1 turnover.
In summary, I think Lamarโs stats were significantly better overall than Ronโs, especially his offensive efficiency, shooting 80% compared to Artestโs 43%. While Ron outscored Lamar 23 to 19 and beat him 2 to 1 in blocks, and 1 to 4 in turnovers, Lamar beat Ron on the boards 12 to 5 and in assists 3 to 2. Not a dominant edge but decisive proof that Lamar contributes to the Lakers success in a multitude of ways more than Artest would.
Aside from the stats, anybody who watched the 4th quarter would have no question as to who had the better game. Lamar picked up his defense and forced Ron into bad shot after forced shot to go 1 for 9 in the 4th quarter. Lamar played a far better defensive game than Artest did. In fact, this was the second straight outstanding defensive game by Lamar as he once again defends the other teamโs best player.
Finally, think back as to how each of these guys got their shots and made their points. Every single point scored by Artest was the result of 1-on-1 basketball where Artest was isolated on Odom. Several shots displayed poor shot selection and were lucky to go in. Lamarโs shots, on the other hand, all came in the flow of the offense, even the clutch 3 from the top of the key, which was lofted after nobody was open and shot clock ticking.
Lamar battled hard on the boards for some of his points. Artest was never heard from on the boards. Lamar cut to the hoop in traffic to slam down several of his points. Artest just stood behind the 3-point line or tried to isolate Lamar 1-on-1. Every time Artest touched the ball, the Kingsโ offense came to a screeching halt. Lamar in the meantime was filling the stat sheet with assists and moving aggressively without the ball.
I wouldnโt mind adding Ron Artestโs defensive prowess and toughness to the Lakers roster but in no way are we trading Lamar Odom, who is a far better player and fit at small forward for the Lakers, especially the way that Lamar is playing defense.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 05, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Zen-
Well zaid. I totally agree and have not purposefully clicked a link to TJ Simers in so long, I can't even recall the reason anymore (3 yrs I thnk). The last time I accidentally clicked a Simers article I wrote a letter to the LA Times requesting they reduce his traffic count for that article by one.
Boycott Simers...
Posted by: C.S. | March 05, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Who's Dr. Nick Laker Legacy?
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 11:17 AM
go LAkers.
Kobe for MVP, no doubt.
Posted by: Ace | March 05, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Luke Watlon is the new Smush Parker!!!
The guy is a non factor in the games.
It is really that simple.
The guy has to go back to the bench.
I'm glad that RADMAN is back.
We now need Ariza and Bynum and we are taking this one home.
Posted by: Zakee | March 05, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Tim,
Yes, Kevin has already been a Laker. It would be sweet if he could be again. LOL.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 05, 2008 at 11:33 AM
in MLB/Dodgers, do you remember how Gagne enters the ninth inning?
maybe the LAker organization can do that for the laker howe games' especially when KOBE enters the fourth quarter.
it's the ultimate closer of the game.
GAME_OVER..............
I' myself always shout it loud everytime #24 comes in for the final minutes of the 4th quarter.
whoahhhhhh, i luv this game.
4th qtr, it's KOBE time.........and it's GAME OVER. GO KOBRA#24.......yahoooooooooooooh
Posted by: Ace | March 05, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Any player in the East not on the Celtics or the Pistons has no right being in the discussion for the MVP.
I sincerely believe that LeBron James is over-rated. He would not have this much hype behind him were it not for the support of the Nike media machine.
If Kobe Bryant is not given the MVP, Los Angeles should riot in David Stern's neighborhood.
NO MVP? NO PEACE!!!!!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | March 05, 2008 at 11:38 AM
T.J. Simers column should seriously be replaced by a column by Kareem Abdul-Jabaar.
T.J. Simers' popularity in Los Angeles is lower than that of George W. Bush. The L.A. Times management has to be aware of that.
Maybe they're as blind as the Knicks ownership. Who knows?
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | March 05, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Thanks for checking out my first post to those of you in the Laker blog community that have. I am just getting it started, and hopefully can create some interesting content in the future and send those that click towards some other interesting stories and sites.
Go Lakers!
Pig
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | March 05, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Kobe's play is great exept that it seems to me like the last two games he hasn't created as many plays for his team mates like he's been doing. He's the best player in the league, he needs to exploit this by continuing to do what has been working lately. He's starting to be too aggressive offensively. The Lakers need to go back to what was working. Kobe needs to focus on creating plays. Penetrate and look to pass to the open guy. He's going to see more double teams. If he's passing the ball it will become easier for him later in the game because they won't focus on him as much. I just think Kobe is trying to take on too much. Although it's great to see now. TRUST ME THEY WON'T GO FAR IN THE PLAYOFFS LIKE THAT. He needs to engage his team mates throughout the game and then do his thing when the game winds down. Easy formula. Very hard to follow this formula when you are the best player in the world I would imagine. Kobe needs to believe in his team mates. Belief is a very powerful force in the universe. When a human being believes in something ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. So those mistakes that the team is making will all be cleaned up for the playoffs. We all have to also believe that Andrew Bynum will be back in time. WE ALL NEED TO START TO BELIEVE. SO START TO REALLY LIVE AND BELIEVE NOW!!!
Posted by: johnny | March 05, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I dreamed we won the NBA Title Last and Luke had nothing to do with it. Appearantly he and some of his troll patrol buddies got pulled over in beach bum van smoking weed from Oregan Mountains.
Posted by: chuck23 | March 05, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Jon- I understand your desire for Kobe to win MVP but saying fans should riot is just wrong. In case you forgot the last time there was a riot in LA, it didnt turn out so good.
I dont hear any Spurs fans saying they should start a riot if Duncan doesnt win MVP.
Its just wrong on many levels.
Posted by: Laker Lover | March 05, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Tim,
I might have mised it if someone else answered this before: But yes, K. Love was Lake Oswego Laker in high school.
I would LOVE to see those outlet passes zooming downcourt to a streaking Kobe. I think his wide body and that ability to throw the ball accurately the length of the court will make him a much better than average white big man in the pros. He'll play PF though, not C, and he doesn't have much of a agme above the rim, which is a little worrisome.
Posted by: Jesterguru | March 05, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Charles.....Dr Nick.............Rivera.....simpsons
Posted by: Thirty2 | March 05, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Thirty2,
Thanks!!!!!!
Laker Legacy,
Delayed L - O - L!
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 12:09 PM
It "pains" me to see Luke shoot and I don't want to get the Luke Lovers all riled up..But truly. He is not finishing around the basket and his shot is pathetic. He has a few good moments here and there, a few nice passes but if he is called upon to hit an open shot, and or capitalize off a Kobe pass, he most always EFFs them up !!
What to do, what to do?? I mean Luke is a Laker so I want him to succeed and dayum he has to start making those Shaq termed, "chippies," and stop getting blocked so dayum much.
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | March 05, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Tsiry,
Where are you blogging from?
Thanks
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 12:17 PM
It occurred to me last night: when a player is booed in almost every opposing team's building, that means they have truly reached greatness. We all know Kobe is there. But then I started hearing those MVP chants... at ARCO arena. I was floored beyond words. And I realized this: when a player receives MVP chants in the buildings of his team's biggest rivals, he has achieved a greatness beyond greatness.
No one is chanting "MVP" for Lebron in Detroit. Or anywhere else, for that matter.
Come on. We all know who the real MVP is, and he doesn't reside in the Eastern Conference.
Posted by: White Rhino | March 05, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Guys As I was watching the Game last night all that I could think about was what if Ron Artest was a Laker. WOW we would have a 4 headed horse. Bynum, Artest, Gosol and Kobe. Talk about Defense and ROnRON can score. Does anyone think we could put together a package of Odom and Someone for Artest? No one would want to play us. We would shut down most threats in the NBA and be a matchup nightmare for any team. What do you think ??????
CrazyFan
Posted by: CrazyFan | March 05, 2008 at 12:21 PM
johnny - good points, Kobes one man show will not work in the playoffs as teams will double him especially in crunch time if they are smart.
During a timeout in the 4th John Ireland said the coaching staff said the same thing- the lakers needed contribtions from everyone to win the game.
One of the dliemmas of a one man show is none of the other guys get much experience or confidence in making or taking shots in the clutch.
Think back to the Bulls championship runs, they had guys like Paxson and Kerr hitting game winning shots in the playoffs off feeds from Jordan.
When was the last, or maybe first time, a laker not named Kobe hit a game winning shot?
Posted by: Laker Lover | March 05, 2008 at 12:23 PM
lakersrydeordie - one word for the luke woes- Vlad, when the lakers were blowing teams out Vlad was playing and shooting well. Luke is a role player nothing more nothing less.
Posted by: Laker Lover | March 05, 2008 at 12:25 PM
great post about the mvp race today on the kbros other web thing:
http://www.sportshubla.com/2008/03/05/the-phantom-
menace-the-nba-mvp-award-lebron-james-kobe-bryant-
and-kelly-dwyer-part-ii/
Posted by: BigGameJames | March 05, 2008 at 12:28 PM
the 4th quarter was OFF THE HOOK!!!
and just because the LAKE SHOW has dominated and not needed KB24 doesn't mean he's not the best closer in the game.
http://www.respectkobe.com/?p=21
KOBE is still the best clutch player alive..just ask dallas and sacramento!!
that's why we're gonna win the championship this year... we've got the deepest team, we usually dominate, we can play fast or slow, transition or half court......... and we have the best closer in the game!
MVP!
MVP!
MVP!
MVP!
Posted by: WWKBD? | March 05, 2008 at 12:28 PM
CrazyFan,
We're probably not going to need a package to get Ron Artest... unless Ron holds out for A LOT of money and makes it clear that he wants to leave Sacramento.
In other words, unless he has a sign and trade coming after his opt out, he's going free agency.
I'm not sure what it will take to get Artest, but personally, I'm with you there... he's the solution at the 3. You would now have the best 2, 3, 4, and 5 in the league!!!! (or very close to the best at each of those positions)...
Holy Smokes.
We will need to petition the Doctor to find a WAY. Artest would have to sign for the MLE (and the doctor would owe twice this because of the luxury tax)...
That's a team that could win 5 titles in a row.
Greatness over money Jerry.... it's your legacy, and you can't put a price tag on that.
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 05, 2008 at 12:34 PM
why is everyone mad at luke? cant laker nation just be happy with all of our recent wins? cant we accept our team for what it is and cheer them on instead of pointing the finger at which ever laker is currently slumping?
I actually think luke has played pretty well lately. he even played great in the first quarter of the dallas game. you cant expect luke to shoot lights out every game but he will give you some solid passes and play some pretty good defense and occassionally hit a 3. sure, ariza and vlad may be a little better but its not like luke has lost us any games lately.
what im saying is...lay off of luke, he hasnt done anything great but he hasnt done anything horrible. lets just cheer on our lakers. lets just be happy we dont have kwame or smush (they really did suck).
also, luke just signed a big contract (by his standards). he is not the first player in NBA history to struggle after signing a contract. just give luke some slack, i guarantee luke will be valuable come playoff time.
GO LAKERS
Posted by: mrbarneydangles | March 05, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Tim,
I would like nothing better than to spend our MLE on Ron but I think that is very unlikely to happen. Ron will be looking for more money than the MLE and for more playing time than he would likely get with the Lakers, who would be even more overstocked at the small forward position. I hope I am wrong but I doubt itโll happen and I bet you do, too. I also just have a strange hunch that Artest will end up in Miami playing for Riley, who will have the ability to pay Ron-Ron more than the MLE.
Hey, for once we disagree. Who knew pigs could fly? Blog-Think-No-Sync! LOL. First, I think it was no contest that Lamar outplayed Ron-Ron last night. The big factors were Lamarโs superior shot selection, high shooting percentage, and great defense on Ron in the 4th quarter. Ron needed to take 13 more shots than Lamar to score 5 more points. Ron was held to 11% shooting and a total non-factor in the critical 4th quarter. Lamar out-rebounded Ron 12 to 5. How can anybody seriously say that Ron outplayed Lamar?
While I love Artestโs defense and toughness, his penchant for 1-on-1 play and sometimes questionable shot selection is not what the Lakers need on offense. The Lakers already have three better offensive players to turn to if they want to isolate somebody 1-on-1 in Kobe, Pau, and Drew. What we need on offense to go with our big three are glue guys like Lamar and Luke who are primarily facilitators who donโt need to shoot or have a play called for them. The last thing we need is another guy who needs his touches.
Additionally, our roster is already overloaded at the small forward position with guys who have multi-year contracts. Where we will need our MLE is to sign another banger who can play post defense to replace the one skill we lost when we traded Kwame. Can Ron shoot 3โs better than Vlade? Can he make plays better than Luke? Is he that much better defender than Ariza? Can he rebound as well as Lamar. Is he a guy who will pull the team together like Fish? Is he going to start instead of Lamar? I donโt think so.
Finally, with Luke starting to play better and Lamar playing terrifically (at least IMHO), I think we need be very careful about making more changes. The chemistry on this team is very strong right now. I think the thing to do is keep this team intact less a few minor tweaks and let the chemistry grow and the teamwork mature. We are on the verge of dynasties and right now the Lakers really hold all the cards they need to dominate for years. I want to see Mihm get healthy so we can let Mbenga go and Sun Yue sign a contract to give us defense and size at the point. As for dreaming, I would prefer Kevin Love or Russell Westbrook over Ron Artest. To me, the odds are all about the same.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 05, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Speaking of defense, 9 rings on Kobes defense
Jackson pointed out how Bryant's defense "has improved a lot." Jackson, who has said in past seasons that NBA coaches shouldn't be voting Bryant to the All-Defense first team, kidded now: "So he could be Defensive Player of the Year this year simply on the improvement between last year and this year."
Posted by: Laker Lover | March 05, 2008 at 12:36 PM
CrazyFan, I think RonRon is a misunderstood dude..He's a good dude deep down I think and I think he could flourish under Phil's system. I have grown fond of Lamar but i do believe the Lakers will be gauging his TRUE value to the team in the long term during our playoff run. He has to continue to come up big and make plays for us and be aggressive. But I will say this, I would much rather us have RonRon than any other WCF team.. Who wouldnt?
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | March 05, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Lebron wants the first billionaire player stat?
First, that's obnoxious. Second, If he means "active" then Tiger Woods is waaay ahead in that race at over 300 mil. Tiger has endorsements Lebron couldn't get with a gun and if you check the corp list he's involved with it reads like a who's who of world wide conglomerates.
If not active, Magic is almost there at 900 mil.
LBJ's earning power won't get him there in 14 more years, so he'd need all the investment luck there is. Dude better be careful, it's easier to lose big than gain. His pal, Warren (wonder what they talk about) Buffet, did it over a lifetime a patient, non fad chasing, plodding.
Latest Lebron count: 0 for 2
no 08 MVP and no 1st billionaire.
Posted by: Vman | March 05, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Laker Lover,
"DK - the lakers are playing great in the regular season no doubt but I dont know what you mean by Spurs, Pistons and Jazz and Mavs. Are you saying the Lakers beat those teams? The Lakers have not beaten the Spurs, Celtics or Pistons when those teams were at full strength , the teams I consider the favs to win the title. They match up well with every other team except those 3 imo. The Rockets could give them some problems too in a playoff series."
Those are the teams that lost to the Kings -- the Spurs, the Pistons (twice), the Jazz (twice) and the Mavs. I was responding to your comment that a great team would blow the Kings out of the water.
At the end of the day, all Lakers playoff scenarios are rendered moot if Bynum either doesn't return in time or returns so late that he never finds his rhythm. This is a genuine concern for me especially after seeing the brief interview with Bynum during the Mavs game. As many people here know, the 8 week timetable was grossly optimistic (and misleading).
I agree the Rockets could be formidable, but a Yao-less Rockets has even less of a chance of winning than a Bynum-less Lakers.
Posted by: DK | March 05, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I believe that sacranmento came with all they had. They did there best but in the end the lakers were the better team.The lakers started off at a bad start but they came threw and found themselves another win for the 10th time in a row.this goes to show that if you work at it you can really come threw and show the world that you have what it takes to win at anything.
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Kobe has to be one of the fastest players in the league at the wing..he is a like a jack rabbit, with those long, swift, strides to the basket and the way he crossovers and changes direction like it's nothing..Man, how skilled. I am continually in AWE at how truly gifted he is, hell, all NBA players...
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | March 05, 2008 at 12:39 PM
CrazyFan,
Midlevel and veteran's minimum plus playoff incentives....
lakersrydeordie,
"What to do, what to do?? I mean Luke is a Laker so I want him to succeed and dayum he has to start making those Shaq termed, "chippies," and stop getting blocked so dayum much."
Excellent positive spin on your hope for Luke. I admire that post. I for one have always been critical of his personal modus operandi. Luke putting himself on his Fav 5 players and him claiming that the greatest day-achievement was when he signed his 6 year contract was a lack of taste and class. His HOF father even made a statement by saying "how about some humility Luke." (About the Favorite 5 players comment)
Regards Guys,
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Laker Lover,
To compliment your post, another word: Ariza.... Can't wait to see this team with Bynum and Ariza back....
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 12:43 PM
CrazyFan,
What do I think? I think your blog name is perfect.
Tom
Posted by: | March 05, 2008 at 12:45 PM
We often dissed our player, Luke but he is important to the team. As long as he is a Laker, let us wish him well, maybe we can state some facts of the game but be fair also in pointing out his assets on the floor. To me, it's all about his decisions while playing, I would understand if he's a rookie like Coby but he's a five year veteran & by this time he should have been stable as a player and a sharp shooter too being a shooting forward. However, without Luke, who'd take the place of Vlad when he got injured. Luke also took the place of Fisher when he was in a terrible slump. Luke is not perfect player for defense but until we trade him for a better player, let's wish him well.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | March 05, 2008 at 12:46 PM
After Hollinger saying that Lebron is dramatically better than Kobe, here's another vote for Lebron, this from Bill Simmons....
cut from today's "chat":
Q: Why is everyone handing Kobe the MVP and counting me out? I'm carrying a lousy team and averaging nearly a triple-double every night. I play hard every game. I've become a really good rebounder and weak-side shotblocker at crunch time. I lift my offensive game at the end of every game and score with 2-3 guys guarding me. When I drive to the basket, I can go left or right and guys bounce off me like superballs. I always make the right pass. I always make the right play. Every time I'm on national TV, I put on a show. Basically, I became who you wanted me to be ... and if that's not enough, I'm only 23. Do you realize I'm the same age as MJ during the 63-point game at the Garden? That's right, I'M THE EXACT SAME AGE AS MJ DURING THE 63-POINT GAME!!!!!!! And you're all taking me for granted already??? Yeeeesh. No wonder MJ played baseball for two years.
--LeBron J., Cleveland
SG: Let's get one thing straight: MJ played baseball for two years because David Stern secretly suspended him for 18 months for gambling and told him to come back for the '95 playoffs. Get your facts straight. As for your other points, you're right -- you and Chris Paul are the leaders for MVP at the three-fourths mark because you're both having superlative seasons, as is Kobe, with the difference being that neither of you has Phil Jackson or a great bench, and in your case, you don't have even a borderline All-Star on your team. It's you and 11 role players. Switch you and Kobe and you'd be doing just as well, but he'd be gritting his way through every Cavs game on cruise control and leaking fake trade rumors through his agent. I also can't forgive Kobe for what happened during the first 15 games, when he moped around and pushed for a trade. Does someone do that during an MVP season? I say no.
Posted by: 10milliondollarzen | March 05, 2008 at 12:50 PM
What would solidify the Lakers chances of a championship is the addition of a unique player with a deadly combination of lock-down defense and offensive skills. The who embodies those qualities is none other than Ron Artest. I'm not familiar with the contract status, but it seems that he'll be an unrestricted free agent next season, and if Mitch can get creative once again, then it may means the beginning of another dynasty for the Lakers.
Posted by: Rollo Tomassi | March 05, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Hey there. Don't have time at the moment, but will respond to some of your posts later for sure. Last nights game was a good one and congratulations, Kobe pulled it out for you; another incredible performance.
The Bee link below is written by Sam Amick; our BK of sorts in that he covers the beat but isn't a real Kings fan. The last paragraph pretty much sums up the outcome. More interesting to me are the responses (comments) to the article below. (Note: "Comments" responding to Kings articles are often times the closest thing we have to a timely interactive blog. My incessant suggestions to Bee editors that they emulate AK/BK's Times format for the Kings may explain why AK got seat-short-changed and had to stand duriing the game). Understandably in a sigh of relief, vitriol from the Laker Nation showed up in force.
http://www.sacbee.com/351/story/761394.html
More on the Kings later (I'm very pleased. We're on track, will be back soon, and there's no head hanging here). The Lakers are well on their way and could compete for a championship this year. No new news there. For now, I will offer one criticism which I believe is crucial. Most of the game you looked like wusses. You must toughen up a lot if you want to beat the San Antonio's, Utahs, or Detroits of the league in a seven game series.
Sonnybelfast
Posted by: sonnybelfast | March 05, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Good afternoon Laker fans everywhere!!! Lakers all day, everyday!!! These few days of rest before playing the Clips comes at a perfect time for our team. This rest will be refreshing and will re-energize the guys.
We need to continue to support and cheer on our team regardless of who is out there playing. It's troubling to me to read posts on here debating whether Pau or Andrew is better when we should be celebrating that we have one the elite PF in the league and one of the best up and coming Centers playing for our Lakers. People need to also differentiate between bloggers that give an honest opinion or state the facts in regards to a certain player(Luke Walton seems to be the main target now that Kwame is no longer here and LO is always a bad performance away from getting slammed by bloggers)and the team from those considered trolls that just spew forth hatred and unreasonable rants.
When we're completely healthy, we could really be witnessing something very special for years to come which is why I'm very excited. This team has the potential to be better than the Shaq/Kobe teams if our young players continue to develop at the pace they are. There's a lot of room for improvement and growth, yet these players seem to have embraced the challenge of getting better. Let us enjoy our Laker team as they continue to play fantastic basketball. Go Lakers!!!
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | March 05, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Hollinger is mad because his numbers cranking system is starting to fall apart. He has Carl Landry, Thaddeus Young and Sean Williams miles ahead of Kevin Durant, Al Horford and Al Thorton in terms of his PER, yet I dont see him calling those guys the best Rookies. However he will use that for LeBron, Chris Paul or whoever else except Kobe to justify that those guys are playing better.
I doubt that Hollinger even watches games because he solely bases all of this analysis on his stupid numbers.
I repeat, he continues to try to confuse the reader by mixing PER and PER 40 minutes. But the thing is that his PER is based on PER 40 minutes anyways.
Now tell me how many players average 40 minutes a game? Iverson, Crawford, LeBron, Joe Johnson, Caron Butler...thats it.
So whats the point in using that tool?
Posted by: The Lake Show | March 05, 2008 at 12:58 PM
For those who are arguing in favor of LBJ as MVP, well the Cleveland will be 10th place if they were playing in the West. The fact that he has Verajao, Ilgaukas and plus the new players that came lately, Cleveland should be competing for the top.
This off season, there are so many talented free agents that are coming out. I guess that would be the best opportunity to compare players values as well as talents that would fit within the budget.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | March 05, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Charles - Sadly I dont think Ariza is coming back this season based on what Ive read, but he and Vlad are an improvement over Luke for sure.
Posted by: Laker Lover | March 05, 2008 at 01:02 PM
I believe that sacranmento came with all they had. They did there best but in the end the lakers were the better team.The lakers started off at a bad start but they came threw and found themselves another win for the 10th time in a row.this goes to show that if you work at it you can really come threw and show the world that you have what it takes to win at anything.
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Charles,
Great post mate. I agree with you that the Kings gave all they had, but the Lakers are just the better team. I think the Lakers have the Kings figured out now and I wouldn't be surprised if they win the remaining three games against the Kings for a series sweep. Only two teams have a winning record against the Lakers so far this year, the Spurs(we have one more against them in LA)and the Celtics(won season series 2-0). Lakers have done an excellent job this year of beating teams below .500, road record and beating top teams in the conference. This was not the case the past two years. Go Lakers!!!
By the way, my nephew won his first match with a KO in the first round on Friday night!!! He's planning on fighting again in about three weeks. We live here in Seattle, WA, but I'll be sure to let you know when he travels to LA for a bout. Have a great day Charles.
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | March 05, 2008 at 01:07 PM
Johnny (aka Laker Loverโs straight man) on Kobeโs 4th quarter heroics:
โTRUST ME THEY WON'T GO FAR IN THE PLAYOFFS LIKE THAT.โ
Sorry, Johnny. With all due respect, I wouldnโt trust you at all based on that comment. What I do trust is that the Lakers will NOT win the NBA championship this year UNLESS Kobe Bryant has at least a couple of great 4th quarter games like he did against the Mavs and Kings in every playoff series. Kobe won that game by playing the way he will need to play once we get into the playoffs, measuring what his team needed, and delivering.
Teams need their superstar to go off in the playoffs even more than the regular season. The playoffs are when the real superstars always crank it up, increasing their scoring, their rebounding, their playmaking, their minutes, their impact on the game. And that doesnโt mean just jacking up shots or not trusting your teammates or not playing team ball. It just means when the pressure increases, there will be critical moments in the game when Kobe Bryant and LeBron James and Manu Ginobli and the leagueโs true superstars have to take over in order for their teams to get the win.
Championships are won by teams that are able to adapt and change their game according to whom they are playing. They are won by teams that play great team ball but also have a go-to player who can carry them in the clutch. Itโs naive to think that a team can win an NBA championship without its superstar taking over the game at key interludes. The Lakers have the greatest closer in the game right now and โ trust me on this, Johnny โ we wonโt win the title unless we take advantage of what Kobe Bryant can do.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | March 05, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Let's give Luke and his LL a break! Until Friday at least!
Posted by: chuck23 | March 05, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Regarding Ron Artest,
Guys, Ron Artest is a ticking time bomb. That will not change and would only get worse here in LA. He is a nice enough guy most of the time, talented as a player no doubt, and might help us in ways, but he will explode, and when he does it won't be pretty. Dodgers fans: Milton Bradley anyone?
You guys forget he got arrested and is on probation for beating up his wife? Missed games at the beginning of the season for it. I have heard comparisons to Rodman, that is a joke. Rodman is a kitten compared to Artest.
That's not the energy we need on our team.
Pass.
Posted by: DrewPauKobe | March 05, 2008 at 01:13 PM
Nemaia Faletogo,
well said!!
Posted by: Lakers Legacy | March 05, 2008 at 01:15 PM
We need to keep Lamar, but if the Lakers go in a different direction I'd like to see them go after Josh Smith who is a free agent this summer.
Posted by: 90sLakerFan | March 05, 2008 at 01:16 PM
Leave the Lakers alone... Haha! Funny video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bVHSgXrak2c
Posted by: CypressFan | March 05, 2008 at 01:19 PM
Sonnybelfast:
Well said that we need to toughen up to get to the promise land. No doubt the young ones are push over and that is how teams will try to get to your skin.
Fortunately Kobe and Fish are vets and tough enough. They and the coaching staff need to preach being tough without loosing their cool and composure. (See Pau last night with Miller)
The 2000 Lakers are tough. We need to be tougher. Horry will not back down nor Fox will. Harp and Shaw are just as tough and of course the Big A Shaq was a banger. Even in the showtime era, Magic, Worthy, Coop, Byron et al were all tough. Tough enough to pop Isiah on the head.
Anyway, I hope our team get mean and physical yet controlled sooner than later. Go Lakers!
Posted by: Laker Phil | March 05, 2008 at 01:21 PM
Vman, Lebron is focused on OWNING Manhattan..No wonder he and Jay Z are all bunned up!! LOL HOVA has taken BronBron under his wing so he can come to NY and take over Manhattan, like nothing seen since King Kong (ala King BronBron)..I can see the billboards now with his posters top of the Empire state & Herald square and Times Square..Yeah, he is def gonna Opt out. Lebron loves HOVA. Wonder when Lebron is gonna break out with a HipHop album under Def Jam label.
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | March 05, 2008 at 01:24 PM
The Lakers really need Kobe to have those scoring outbursts.
It helps the whole team. How? It keeps other teams on their toes. If Kobe was always passive, the teams can just single coverage him and really sink in on other guys . Having games like this keeps other teams guessing. Which Kobe will show up? Can we double him? Will he just pass it, or split the double? Should we triple team him?
It makes defending us a nightmare for other teams, and really opens up the floor for his teammates.
Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!
Posted by: frank1rizzo | March 05, 2008 at 01:24 PM
How is it that we have a rec league player starting for the Lakers? Geez, is there any way we can trade Luke (Puke) Walton for draft picks, an expiring contract, and a gift certificate to Hooters? How can this guy be on the team? I just don't get it.
First off, he doesn't seem to want to get better. He gets every shot near the rim sent back to him. He can't make a jump shot if someone held a gun to his head. High basketball IQ, eh? Well, its just too bad his high basketball IQ doesnt do squat for his game. His unathletic abilites seriously hurt our team. I noticed that when Vlad Rad came in, we started playing a lot better. Vlad Rad isn't even that good either, but he's so much better than Puke.
Also, people want to defend him saying he's injured? Thats bogus, Kobe's playing with a DISLOCATED finger for crying out loud.
I think the only reason Puke played so well a couple of years ago was to get the fat contract. Once he got it, he didn't see the point in getting better. Practice makes perfect, but apparently he doesn't even know how to do that. I'm sick of watching him play, making turnover after turnover. Funs fans don't like Diaw, but man, he would be quite an improvement over Puke.
Maybe theres some kind of hidden pact between the team, the NBA, and Bill Walton. I don't know, but man, I just don't understand how someone that can't even succeed in the D-League can be starting for our beloved Lakers.
Posted by: Chris H. | March 05, 2008 at 01:27 PM
RonRon is fine as long as he is taking his MEDs (LOL)..
Josh Smith would be Great, considering is becoming a arch nemesis each time we play ATL...
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | March 05, 2008 at 01:28 PM
They are building the toughness in this part of the season. I've seen it show in the last couple of games, and I'm sure is going to bring it when he returns. He doesn't have the strength to push people around yet, but will be plenty good at commanding the interior and redirecting shots and dribble pentration when returns. People forget that he was shutting down opposing centers earlier in the season.
PS I'm so glad Mike T. and his Kwame nonsense are gone. I know a lot of you had some repoire with him, but I got into with him over the summer and just lost all repect for the guy.
Pig
Posted by: "Pig" Miller | March 05, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Anyone else tired of all this MVP talk? Who cares? All I want is a championship!
Posted by: zen | March 05, 2008 at 01:31 PM
The Lake Show,
I think there's some validity to PER... but it's not the end all, be all. It's just a stat metric.
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 05, 2008 at 01:31 PM
I crack up everytime I here many of the bloggers here refer to Luke as "PUKE"..That is just str8t insane!! LOL
Back to RonRon, What up with his short shorts?? Me, don't like!! And he keeps pulling them up.Something's the matter with that!!
Anyway, I'm outty, gotta go to class now!!
later people
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | March 05, 2008 at 01:31 PM
One observation, the lakers blog is international. If we can find human in space, someone out there might blog for the universe. As we say 'good afternoon' here in West Coast, they're saying 'good evening' in europe and 'good morning' in Asia & Australia. We're 24-hour cycle. Therefore to be safe, just Good Day, mite...
I hope Vlade Divac could give us some names of players who may be coming out of their contracts. We may get them in the draft. If any of you here knew this forwards from Tau Ceramica, perhaps u could share us some outlook. I was looking at Mirza Teletovic F from Bonia-Herzegovina 11.5 Ppg and 5.6 rpg. and from team Panathinaikos - Vasilis Spanoulis G from Greece 10.8 ppg 2.6 rpg and lastly our draft pick, Sun Yue. These would add more firepower to the Lakers to keep us going to thenext level.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | March 05, 2008 at 01:34 PM
People... Walton is good at what he's good at. He's an excellent passer, especially in the open court, he gets offensive rebounds and he sets up his finishes near the basket well (he just can't complete the finish well)...
If he can improve his vert (for finishes around the hoop) and work on his jumper, he can stay and be a productive guy off the bench.
His defense has actually improved too... he's here and he's saving our butts because Vlad & Ariza are hurt, and LO can't play the 3 while Pau has to play the 5. Everything will work out okay!
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | March 05, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Attention ALL Bloggers,
Nemaia Faletogo,
Thank you for the compliment, but that was not my post....
There is an IMPOSTOR on this blog.... Or maybe just another Charles. Whoever posted that should use another name or add something aside from "Charles." Please address this issue with diplomacy....
Nacho Libre Tone
(little hug, little keesss, Big Hug, Big Keesss) xo XO
Posted by: Charles | March 05, 2008 at 01:40 PM
it's writers like dwyer and simmers that will prevent kobe from ever winning the mvp.... i'm not sure if they get to vote, but i'm sure that many voting writers feel the same.... AK replied to my post regarding this a few weeks back, but i must reinstate that these writers will always have an excuse not to give the mvp award to kobe.... AK, like i said before, "I hope I'm wrong about this", but highly unlikely....
somehow i don't hear mvp chants in opposing arenas for the writers' picks (bron, cpaul)... hmmm interesting....
go ahead and give the award to bron... and watch kobe go off in the playoffs on the road to another ring.... like stu says "an angry player is an ineffective player, unless it's kobe bryant"....
Posted by: xyz | March 05, 2008 at 01:42 PM