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A word on the Agent Zero rumor

March 18, 2008 | 11:03 am

Gilbert_kobe_195 I love rumors as much as the next guy.  They're fun, allow people like me to play Fantasy GM, and otherwise pretend to be productive while there's real work to be done.  But even by that standard, the rumor that the Lakers are interested in bringing in Gilbert Arenas this offseason seems particularly dubious, and makes so little sense it's actually worth commenting on. 

"A high-ranking Western Conference executive with knowledge of the situation has told Pro Basketball News that both the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers plan to "strongly pursue" Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas this summer. Arenas is signed through 2009, but has said he will exercise the early termination option in his contract and become a free agent... if the Lakers and Clippers push for him as much as expected, it's likely to result in a sign-and-trade."

If that's the case, the Lakers may be willing to part with forward Lamar Odom and guard Derek Fisher, and/or a few bench players, according to the source (Odom's contract expires at the end of next season)."

 

 

Right. 

The Clippers I get.  That works for them, and given the potential turnover in their roster the Arenas-in-red-white-and-blue rumors will be flying this summer.  There could be some meat on that bone.  But the Lakers?  Beyond the idea that I can't imagine Jerry Buss (or any owner, really) would shell out for a fourth max/near max player, from a basketball standpoint, does this sound at all plausible?  Unless Arenas is going to truly become a pass first PG, is he really the guy the Lakers need?  How many basketballs will they be allowed to play with? (By the way, if the answer is more than one, they should probably do the deal.  Huge, huge advantage offensively.)

There's just too much redundancy between Kobe and Arenas in their respective skill sets for this to make sense. The idea is to build a great team, not put together a video game squad.  With a core of Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol, the Lakers will have plenty of star power.  They'll need to find the right mix of role guys to make the rest work.  Maybe Odom is a part of that long term.  He certainly seems to like life with Gasol in the lineup, and there's no reason to think he'll be any worse once Bynum comes back.  Either way, swapping him out for Agent Zero isn't the right way to go. 

I say this, of course, despite knowing how much easier my life would get by having Arenas available for quotes on a daily basis, so you know I must be serious.

BK


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I think its safe to say this is indeed a rumour, because as past history has proven, any moves the Lakers make always come out of nowhere.

Good Job Mitch...........

DO NOT WANT

AK

My prevoius point exactly..........how many basketballs would they need on the court at one time? It makes no sense except for the quotes and blog ink he'd bring.

GO LAKERS!

This is a bunch on bull. Arenas is a great player but he's definitely not a pass first player and that just doesn't work with the triangle. Not to mention that we have one of the youngest and most talented teams in the league right now and we'll be competing for many more years. With all the good teams getting older (Spurs, Celtics, etc.) we can become a dynasty team. We don't need Arenas!!

And by the way, there is no way in hell we trade Fish to any team for any player and I don't care how old he is. What he brings in terms of leadership on and off the court is something we can't buy with 3 Arenas's. We're a young team and we need Fish's leadership.

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Mamba,

We need to start the WE DON'T WANT ARENAS bandwagon and you can put me up there first.

Isn't Gilbert Arenas a defensive specialist?

There are enough balls to go around. Arenas has as good a drive and kick game as any. He's been more drive and shoot out of necessity, but we do forget that he has played college ball at a very good program. I'm sure there's a point guard in there somewhere.

As for chemistry with Kobe, Kobe only wants to see that you fight back or press as hard as he does. Gil does that. Additionally, he's as approachable a person as any, so the I don't think the locker room would be divided or anything.

Financially and roster-wise, I'd have to see what we give up. But I am not against this trade. Kobe can drive and finish, Gil can drive, finish, or pass, and Gasol or Bynum can pass and finish as well. It would be an upgrade from our current guards (except for Kobe of course).

If there is any truth to it, I don't see why not. We need as aggresive a point guard we can find, one who has the confidence to play with Kobe. As much as Gil is a shoot-first PG, he's still a point guard as opposed to short guys like AI that are shooting guards first.

Let's not forget that Kobe wanted Baron Davis here too. B Diddy and Gil have similar mentalities.

Wow, that would be incredibly stupid. I think Arenas brings a lot ot the table, but this is one of the teams it wouldn't make sense.

Now, the Clippers, you're right, that would make a lot of sense. Especially if they can keep Brand, that line-up would be pretty good.

Its a good idea considering Kobe might opt out next summer. But it will be a good fit for the Lakers though. If they are going to fail to in the first round again, maybe Mitch might think about it.

Arenas ($11,950,400) and Darius Songalia($3,942,000) for Odom($13,248,596) and Sasha Vujacic($1,756,951) might do it.

Possible first 5 next year
PG- Arenas
SG- Kobe
SF- Ariza
PF- Gasol
C- Bynum
reserves Fish, Farmar, Radmanovic, Walton, Mihm, Turiaf, Karl, Songalia

arenas thats a NO.........not with the triangle.
allez lakers!!

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mamba 24,

could you add me to roll call? i was on a different one but not this one. i was listening to ice cubes roll call yesterday and thought of you and the blog.

as far as arenas, i hope he goes to the clippers, it will make them entertaining with agent 0, al thornton, and oj mayo (hoppefully they draft him). we dont need another scorer, 3 stars is PLENTY, 2 was plenty when we had shaq.

GO LAKERS

And how about the fact that we would NEVER trade Derek Fisher? Given the fact that he came back because of his daughter's situation, I think he's the most untouchable player on the team.

The triangle asks that each player be a threat to score. It doesn't ask for a point guard to run things. He would fit in the triangle because he's not as timid to take the shot and more importantly, make the shot.

I think we have to get away from assuming that the triangle needs those glue guys for it to run right. It needs players to be able to use the structure. Therein lies its strength, really. Space enough for gifted players to operate, movement and spacing for those who cannot create shots for themselves.

Does anyone know if he still has his blog? I wonder what Gilbert thinks of these rumors.

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Brand and GA on the Clips makes for a monster squad.

GA as a Laker would be incredible! But, it won't make enough financial sense.

Plus, Mitch's moves aren't revealed until they are already consummated. The fact that this got out (if true) means that it is a dead issue.

--FearlessWhackJob

Clyde had his Terry Porter and Isiah had his Dumars...

Wes

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(07) TANGERINE - Reports directly to Mitch

I'm starting to lean toward maybe looking into the possibility of considering to think about the benifits of cashing in on the Lamar chip after the season...

Maybe...

Wes

Ugh! Hibachi?? No thank you!!! There isn't room for that guy and his ego on the team plane, let alone the team.

...just...ugh. Plus, we never should have given up Fish in the first place. Now we'll consider doing it again?

Another reason I just thought of that this doesn't make sense--isn't Fisher here for his daugher's health? What kind of ***holes would Lakers management be by trading him??

Bottom line -- not happening.

Hmmm...I really don't think that this has any chance of happening. But, I do think that if he is committed to doing what it take to win a championship, which I'm not sure he is, Arenas' skill set is more or less irrelevant.

"Pass first" and whatnot are irrelevant when a team is genuinely committed to winning. We have a good enough coaching staff that we can utilize all sorts of skill sets to get it done. And talent rules the NBA as long as there's no locker room cancer. He and Kobe would be fine if they both just want to win. Obviously if Zero only wants media exposure and doesn't work hard or whatever, there would be huge problems.

That said, unless we can really steal him (and we'd have to, because others will likely offer more), I'm not sure that this would make us much better. Especially considering Lamar's recent good play; and better passing, size and rebounding; and the fact that on paper we're the best team in the league when healthy anyway.

The idea of trading for a tough defensive 3 seems more in line with our needs. Unless Ariza makes a leap in the offseason, or we just stick with Lamar who is hugely above average as the fourth best player on any team in the league.

Blah, blah, silly rumors.

Does anyone else feel like tonight may be our best chance to win on this road trip?

Go Lakers!

Not a good fit for this team. I agree with Gil's ability to take on the challenge of playing with Kobe, but his skills are not complementary, unless he takes a reduced role. I do like the fact that he has a sweet stroke and can fill it up on any given night.

Maybe I'll change my mind, but right now it just doesn't seem like a good idea.

Pig

Agent O in Hollywood, he'd never pass that up... Be it the Lakers or the Clips. He'd make that move, question is will either team be knocking on his door in a few months? I think it comes down to how the Lakers finish the season and how deep they go in the playoffs. Another quick exit and YES Mitch will be working the phones, if we do well there'd be no major logic to ship out L.O. for anyone. I'm sure L.O. feels some pressure to wrap this year up with a BANG!

Mamba24 - no more roll call until the playoffs???!! Not good - not fair - not POSSIBLE!!!!!
PLEASE - explain what's up!!!
WE NEED ROLL-CALL - gets the juices flowing on game day!!!!
Don't deprive us of our morning invigorations!

Mamba24
Roll call to go for awhile
Please say it ain't so

im getting antsy for tonights game, we really need to come out hot and play tough defense. i dont think kobe will let us lose 3 straight games. i just hope his shot isnt flat tonight. were going to come out blazing.

also, im confused on when gasol is comming back. ive heard hes just missing this road trip and ive heard he missing two weeks. im going to the game against golden state on sunday, hes most likely not going to be playing huh?

GO LAKERS

Luke

I'm a huge D-Fish fan for more than a couple reasons. But hanging on to Fisher to pass on Arenas is like Keeping Luke Walton and passing on Lebron James..

Faze

I don't see it happening, and if there was a possibility, I still wouldn't do it. Not because of Arena's talent, but because that he has such a man-crush on Kobe, it could turn into the NBA version of Talented Mr. Ripley. I wouldn't be surprised if he would try to wear the number 8. Watch your back Kobe!!!

:P

The best rumor of them all

AGENT ZERO - A LAKER WOW....I adore you Mr. Kupchak.

Guaranteed - 70 wins

Fisher
Kobe
Arenas
Gasol
Bynum

BOOM. let us celebrate the parade now for June 2009!!!!!!

Ooops, I missed that part wherein Fisher is included in the deal. Can we just include Luke instead, he's much taller and with a higher IQ than Fisher? Silly, but again it is just a rumor.

JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN:"- no more roll call until the playoffs???!! Not good - not fair - not POSSIBLE!!!!!
PLEASE - explain what's up!!!"

We don't want to peak before the playoffs. So when
the playoffs come it will give us that extra burst we
need. LOL!

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Lakerfaze - it's got nothing to do with nostalgia. Do YOU wanna be the one who tells Fish "Hey, thanks for the great year, and all, glad you gave up money to come here and take care of your daughter, but we're gonna trade you so we can get a better PG. Hope you can still get good cancer treatment in Washington, D.C."

yeah, that's what I thought.

Thank you #4, my sentiments exactly. How many balls will we need? Well, how many do Melo and A.I. use? Just one, I believe. And the critics said the same thing about that pairing.

The only problem - the freaking Clippers. With Magette and Brand opting out and Baldie already gone, Sterling will be at Agemt O's agent's office the moment Gil opts out with his check book wide open.

So, clear away whoever to make salary cap room for Agent O. With Arenas and Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Ariza, that's an NBA Championship lineup.

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(06) MRBARNEYDANGLES - Director of Staples Center
(07) TANGERINE - Reports directly to Mitch
(08) LUKE - Route Director
(09) Director - of Watching Kobe's back

This is a question I have to have answered:

Vlad held McGrady to 1 basket thru 3 quarters and then didnt even play again until junk time, which makes me wonder why Vlad cant get anytime in the 4th? If he's good enough to start why isnt he good enough too finish? He was part of that terrific run they had in the 3rd, then nothing???????????????????????? Somebody please ask Phil why?

also....we already have a homegrown pg from LA...FARMAR, future starting pg of the lakers YEA

GO LAKERS

Mamba24 - oh, I get it now! You're mirroring the actions of PJ himself - keep the team balanced until playoffs & then LET IT ALL HANG OUT!!!

Same with us - keep us balanced but on the edge, and when the playoffs get here - WATCH OUT!!!!

LOVE IT - thanks!

GO LAKERS!


If his Knee is OK, it wouldn't be bad to have someone else on the court who can get a shot whenever they want.. He would be a good #3 scoring option..

You have to remember that Phil and Tex believe the triangle offense is what wins championships. They believe that having a "little better" than average defensive team with great offense is what wins in this league. Why do you think the Lakers have ALWAYS been bad at the pick and roll in the Phil Jackson era? It's not always the players...I believe it's made to be a perceived weakness and then when the Lakers make adjustments (when it counts), the team has no other weakness to go after because they were so fixed on our pick and roll weaknesses.

The coaching staff puts a major priority on some defense, but it's mainly the offense they are concerned about because they feel it can't be stopped when you have talented offensive players.

Just like Kenny Smith said, "Last time I checked, the team that wins scored more points then you."

So why haven't the Phoenix Suns won anything? Because they played no defense at all. Like I said, you need to be a little above average defensive team and a great offensive team. The only teams Phil Jackson had that put more of a priority of defense was the Bulls and that was only because they had 3 great defensive minded players on that team. Defense is secondary to his offense..

You're the best Mamba. Good to see I have some riders.

JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN:"You're mirroring the actions of PJ himself - keep the team balanced until playoffs & then LET IT ALL HANG OUT!!!"

J.A.MAMBAFAN, THANK YOU! That is what I was trying
to say but you expressed it so much better.

Arenas, a.k.a. Agent Zero, is high on breaking opponents down one-on-one, but low on team chemistry. We need more low-key, business-minded players with single purpose of playing competitive basketball. All of the tabloid or histrionic stuff that Arenas is known for would be something the organization can eschew, because of the disruption to the team concept. Team-oriented guys like Lamar and D-Fish are rare commodities in the Association, and it would be judicious for the front-office folks to refrain from making such alleged trade.

DALLAS MAVS WILL BEAt L.A DOWN

Arenas is one of my favorite basketball players. Heck, my rec league basketball team last season was named "Hibachi!"

But I agree that we don't need him on my favorite TEAM. I hope he lands with the Clips. That way, I can finally wear my Gil Arenas Arizona jersey!!

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WILL ALWAYS BE FULL.
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The only thing the Lakers need to add to their roster is
Dit Da Jow.

aadd me to the dont need em bandwagon.

That's what I'm saying Rollo...just a few more seriously defensive minded guys who can shut down other players when we need them to. We've got our offense down pat...just need some additional defense and we'ree good to go.

And how about the fact that we would NEVER trade Derek Fisher? Given the fact that he came back because of his daughter's situation, I think he's the most untouchable player on the team.

Posted by: Tangerine | March 18, 2008 at 11:39 AM

sorry, lakers r not playing got the "Humanity Award"–see, fish, ronny, karl .... winning an NBA title is about business

And by the way, there is no way in hell we trade Fish to any team for any player and I don't care how old he is. What he brings in terms of leadership on and off the court is something we can't buy with 3 Arenas's. We're a young team and we need Fish's leadership.

Posted by: EastCoastJessie | March 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM

for the past 2-3 weeks, fish just jacked up shots beyond the arc penetrated and got blocked. how many assists. if you consider his post game lame political excuses and no D, that's indeed leadership. it looked good at the beginning of the season but this team evolved and the standards r different. the only evolution fish had is in age. much older and slower?!

and yes, i do not like arenas. just another clown. or punk. read his immature blogging. and 50+ games statements. still waiting.

I can't wait for the NBA offseason. It's going to be so sick. Here's what should happen:

Brand opts out of Clippers. Signs with the Heat. The Heat draft either Rose or Beasley. I'm guessing the Heat dont get the 1 pick because of luck. They get the second pick. That means they get Rose.

PG Rose
SG Wade
SF D. Wright
PF Haslem
C Brand

The Grizz probably get the top pick and draft Beasley.

PG Conley
SG Miller
SF Gay
PF Beasley
C Milicic

Then they trade Conley, Miller to Portland for LaMarcus Aldridge.

Grizz
PG Crittenton
SG Gay
SF Beasley
PF Aldridge
C Milicic

Portland
PG Conley
SG Roy
SF Miller
PF Outlaw
C Oden

Gilbert Arenas on the Clippers. Then they draft OJ Mayo.

PG Arenas
SG Mayo
SF Thorton
PF Kristic (sign through free agency)
C Kaman

That's a team I'd watch. If I cant afford Laker tickets, then I'll catch a Clippers game with that line-up.

The Magic sign Corey Maggette, after their expiring contracts dissappear

PG Nelson
SG Maggette
SF Turkoglu
PF R. Lewis
C Howard

Then in moves that wont happen, but would be pretty sick if it did

The Sonics draft DJ Augustin, sign Shawn Marion

PG Augustin
SG Durant
SF J. Green
PF Marion
C Wilcox

Then the T'Wolves draft Russell Westrbook and make a run at Okafor

PG Foye
SG Westbrook
SF Brewer
PF Okafor
C Jefferson

 


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