High times of late for the Lakers
What with their perch atop the Western Conference standings, their widely acknowledged improvement, and their consistent ability to turn an out of town arena into a home away from home this season. But it'll be no bed of roses, no pleasure cruise maintaining this level of play, which is why backs are off-limits for patting. There's a mission at hand, one that lasts another 26 games and begins anew with tonight's game against the Blazers, who'll be missing the services of its Roy/ROY. Planting a purple and gold flag in the ground requires continued production from a newly freed Lamar Odom, a seriously fired up Jordan Farmar (now looking like their lead guard of the future) and even Coby Karl, who may not play a lot, but the fans (and writers) are inspired whenever he succeeds.
In other words, if you wanna see a Lakers-Celtics finals beyond simple projections or simply results as rosy as the future John Ireland sees, the pedal must remain affixed to steel. Thankfully, the requisite focus won't be diluted should Phil Jackson get hit with a fine for his criticism of ref Brian Forte (captured here with new-fangled video technology). Whether sincere or sarcastic about his odds of getting billed, writing a check to the league is pretty old hand for The Zen Master.
Sam I am about to leave the Clippers any minute now. He'll have to get in line when it comes to "name-ish" players looking to hook up with contenders.
Most of y'all seem to hate D-Wade, but would you smack talk a baby named after D-Wade? He's also 1/3 Quentin Richardson, if that makes him somehow easier to stomach.
Along these lines, C-Webb ain't the most popular guy around these part, but even his detractors will admit, this is a pretty cool project.



lakersrydeordie,
How many division titles have we won?
Actually, scratch that... what's our longest streak in winning the division? No wait, that one's too lopsided too...
How many times have the Lakers won the western conference? Even that's lopsided because we've won the West 27 times in Laker history.
How about this, to make it fair, PHX can put up their division winner flags against our NBA trophies... then it's like what, 14 to 6 or something like that?
What makes D'Antoni so funny is that he has that level of arrogance with nothing to show for it. Shoot, PJ has more titles by himself than the entire PHX franchise has division winners in their whole history!
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | February 26, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Vman,
Posted 3 times, no response.
Of course my posts criticized him for his history of being unapproachable to fans.
Still, he should try facing the issue some day. It would make his blog more interesting.
Wes
Posted by: wesjoenixon | February 26, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Xodus,
Well there goes this thread.
Now BK will put up a new thread...
I guess that's the least of our worries... thank the Lord that we're not the Rockets. Hot as hell and Yao out for the SEASON.
Well, I'm going down to the Pepsi center to buy first round playoff tickets. I should be able to see two Laker wins in that first round!
Woooo!
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | February 26, 2008 at 10:50 AM
I am really bummed for Yao. He's a good guy, an excellent player and I'd like to see him out there competing.
Denver and Golden State better not miss the playoffs now or there will be a full on mutiny in those cities.
Posted by: DrewPauKobe | February 26, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Maxximo!
That article of Amare is classic! My perception is that you kind of felt the same as I am right now. That dude thinks he's the next great PF out there... is he thinking that'll get to the point of Duncan and Garnett??
That kat is good offensively of course... but I doubt if he can be that good without Nash and Shaq on the court with him and he's already talking about learning how to be a playmaker!?!?
Was he dishing or some KB by saying that nr:24 is LEARNING!?
Did he ever watch the Lakers when Shaq was here?? He (Kobe) was making play for almost those other four on the court and now this kid comes with that argument?? Just classic!
Classic
Posted by: classic | February 26, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Tim-4-Show,
where's the link to the Amare article?
Posted by: | February 26, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Tim-4-Show
Just to add to that...Kobe has more Rings than they have Conference titles 3-2 biatches!
Posted by: bonez | February 26, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Kenny Smith thinks were good, but not good enough to beat Shaq and the Suns in the WCF.. Can you believe it?
zen
(THESE ARE NOT FIGHTING WORDS)
but why do you sound so surprised?
The playoffs are a different beast, you have to play a more defensive minded game. During the season a team can take blows and not go down, but in the playoffs a team can only take so many blows before your knocked out.
SHAQ is not the best in regular season play anymore, but for a 16 game season he is completely capable of delivering a knockout punch to any team. Kenny is judging by what SHAQ playing with the SUNS (who BTW are a very good temam regardless of how you guy's feel about them) can do in the playoffs.
Kenny is also going off what has happened in recent years with the lakers getting booted in first round by the SUNS, yes you got the season series this year but in a playoff series it still remains to be seen.
Posted by: Fire32 | February 26, 2008 at 10:56 AM
classic,
Amare is getting a bigger head, because Shaq is there. I call it the "Shaq effect". Shaq tries to make everyone on the team believe the are the best and they can win..It's really a tactic that Kobe started doing a little bit this year to get him teammates to believe. Although Kobe would never say "This is the best team I've ever played on" because he remembers those championship teams..
Every team Shaq has been on it's the same thing:
1) "Kobe is the best player in the NBA"
"Wade is the best player in the NBA"
"Nash is the best point guard in the NBA"
2) This lakers team is the best I've ever played on.
This Miami team is the best I've ever played on.
This Phoenix team is the best I've ever played on.
He probably tells Amare everyday that he's the best power forward in the game.
It's all about giving them confidence and inflating their egos.
Posted by: zen | February 26, 2008 at 10:59 AM
BK,
I recall you saying in 2006/2007 that you think Dwade is a better player than Kobe despite the fact that Kobe was carrying a team with Kwame Brown, Luke Walton and Smush Parker as starters? The same Smush and Kwame that are about to wash out of the league. How about amitting you were wrong then?
Posted by: Nedu | February 26, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Here's a part of Kenny's article... Zen... Maybe I'm reading something else but I think he's praising the Lakers here...
1. Los Angeles Lakers: Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton and a couple first-round draft picks for Pau Gasol? It doesn’t matter if you want to rebuild. You just helped an opposing team build a possible dynasty.
The Lakers go from playoff team to championship contender overnight, and Andrew Bynum hasn’t even returned to the lineup. The Lakers have the rest of the league on notice that they are now the team to beat. They also are the only team that has set itself up for a bright future.
2. Phoenix Suns: Any time you add one of the 50 greatest players to your team, you’ve improved.
Shaquille O’Neal is smart enough to figure out how to fit into the Suns’ high-powered offense. He has played on international teams as well as All-Star teams where he wasn’t always the first option. I also believe players start to lose their lateral (east-west) quickness as they get older, but can still be effective playing an up-tempo north-south game like the Suns. Shaq’s value wont truly show until the playoffs.
Posted by: cdub0512 | February 26, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Mark Kriegel's article on Fox Sports: http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7839988/
On-the-Mark:-Kobe-has-a-chance-to-shine-
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My comments:
While Kobe has been playing amazing basketball this year and raising his team's level along the way, it's also amazing how some people expected a team of Smush, Kwame, Luke and a Odom who had been a career underachiever to be world beaters or close to it.. and claim Kobe has "never made teammates better" as Mark does in this article.. yeah, like Jordan and Barkely have said before, it's easier to "make teammates better" when they are talented.. You know what's interesting? Almost every teammate that's come on to the lakers have had their best FG% playing alongside Kobe.. (and not to slight LeBron, but, that's the opposite with his team.. all his teammates have struggled.. assists don't tell the whole story.. while people can talk about LeBron's stats, their offense looks awful and a major part of the blame goes to his coach and not having a true system but have LeBron dominate the ball.)
Kobe has had to carry a team of bench players (or even less in the case of Smush and Kwame) to the playoffs in the tough west, with players like Tierre Brown and Atkins playing significant minutes earlier and people have the audacity to claim that Kobe was doing too much and not making them better. Yeah, some people would rather fail like the Miami Heat than have a leader who has the ability to shoulder the load according to what he is working with.
Kobe always molds his game according to the situation.. this is a given. If the Olympics team needs defense, that's what he'll give. If the lakers need facilitator and defender, that's what Kobe will give. If they are in a drought and need some points, he will try to do that. A leader always tries to provide what the team needs. There is no one better in doing this: mold his game according to the situation.
The only time I was really disappointed with Kobe was in 2004 against the Pistons.. but that was also some of the best defense I've ever seen and the refs allowing Pistons to manhandle the lakers (like Phil said in his interview yesterday with AM570), get charging calls against Shaq and load the paint area.
Finally, I'm proud that Kobe is getting better in other aspects of leadership this year. Fisher and Kobe will provide the necessary leadership to take the lakers to promised land.
Posted by: Lakerfan | February 26, 2008 at 11:02 AM
Ah.... My bad... I didn't read the bottom part...
Sorry Zen...
Kenny Smith is an idiot... He goes to say first thet the Lakers are the team to beat... Then down below he says the Funs will beat them?? WTF???
LoL..
Posted by: cdub0512 | February 26, 2008 at 11:03 AM
RandallJohn,
While I appreciate your "wait-and-see" attitude, it sounds to me like you're just being a negative nelly.
I will grant you that the Spurs and Pistons are proven champions, and we should fear and respect them. So MAYBE the Spurs are still the faves of the West, MAYBE. I'd say it's about even considering our depth and championship experience (though not as deep it is significant - don't forget Pau won a real World Championship too). And the Pistons run 3 rookies in their rotation (well two rookies plus Amir Johnson who is getting his first run this year), plus they are coached by Flip who hasn't proved anything in the postseason yet.
So who is your favorite? And by how much?
Also, the first round is 7 GAMES now, same as last year when GS beat Dallas. Only the Spurs and Pistons even have a chance if we're healthy, and I'd say it's about even between the three.
KOBE FOR MVP!!!
KOBE FOR MVP!!!
KOBE FOR MVP!!!
Posted by: DrewPauKobe | February 26, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Fire32,
I would never underestimate Shaq..I know what kind of physical impact he can have on a game..The problem is that when you look at history, everything goes against the Suns right now...
Shaq has been hurt most of the year and a team picks him up with 2 months to go in the season. I think it takes more than 2 months for a team to adjust to Shaq. And when you look at history, when a star player has been hurt most of the season, they usually get beat in the playoffs.
I just don't see Phoenix clicking in time to reach the finals.
Posted by: zen | February 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM
YAO MING!
I am here and sad to say that this injury of Yao will only help Denver and Phoenix!
I was really sure that with the H.Rockets surge, one of those two teams would not make the playoffs and somehow I was 99% sure that it would be the Suns!
I'll tell you why I was so positive about what I am sayong here...
Houston and Denever has an easy schedule ahead while the Suns... you guys already know.
Not that I am wasting my energy on the Suns failure but... I am positive that they will go 6-8 in the next 14 games including today's game.
Maxx
Posted by: Maxximo | February 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Lakerfan,
Well said.
Posted by: DrewPauKobe | February 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Im kind of offended by the Lakers/Celtics story, where the supposed "NBA insider" suggests Rondo has an advantage of Fisher. Are you kidding me????? Rondo is in his second year, whereas Fisher is a three time NBA champion and added to that hes been in the playoffs almost every year he's played. Although Fisher was not the starter during Indiana finals, he did face Mark Jackson who was a stud at the time, played extremely well versus Iverson during the Philly Finals and added to that he played well vs. Jason Kidd in the 3 peat year. Fisher has tremendous heart and plays extremely welll at the defense end, whereas Rondo has never been tested in anything.
Moreover, Fisher has been vital for the Lakers dramatic improvements this year. Fishers shooting nearly 50% from the field and 40% from 3-point range. And one should not argue that Rondo is a better point guard in regards to distribution of the ball because lakers have Odom and Kobe who both make the majority of the assists in the triange offense. Fisher makes the passes when he needs to and makes the tough shots when the team requires it (example .3 second shot vs. the Spurs)
Give a brother some respect!
Posted by: sam | February 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Ugh...poor Yao; that really sucks. I've never been one of those fans that roots for the other team's best player to get hurt. I like to beat them when they're at their best.
Mark Kreigl's column points out that the Lakers are 9-1 with Pau "against mostly weak competition." Hey, Mark, how about 39-17 against the 2nd toughest schedule in the league so far? Good thing Byant is playing at a MVP level...which, according to you, he has never done before(?). lol
Mamba24, what's up, man? No roll call? Get out of bed, Charles is getting antsy.
Here's to stomping the blaze back into their trail tonight. Go Lakers!
Happydaze
Posted by: Happydaze | February 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM
cdub0512,
Yea he does kind of contradict himself..He says the Lakers are the team to beat, but he's saying he thinks the Suns will beat them. What I want to know is what happened to the Spurs!
Tony Parker has been out a lot this season, but he's back just in time for them to make a push..The Spurs will be tough.
Posted by: zen | February 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Re: Kenny Smiths comments. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and clearly he agrees with his old TNT pal Steve Kerr. No big deal. He knows the game and really thinks Shaq will help when the games slow down in the playoffs. Kenny seems to think that the big knock was on the Suns not having a post presence. Well Shaq is a presence - just not a very good one any more. I think there is a chance Shaq could elevate his game come playoff time - I just think it is not that likely and I would disagree with Kenny on that. But they play the games on the court and not in the papers/internet columns.
The big thing remains Bynum being health along with the rest of the team of course - and how well he can play with Pau. I don't see it being much of a problem. Pau is a guy that is good enough to be a top tier player - but he doesn't crave being "THE GUY". He is a team player - but has the ability of a star player.
The potential this roster has is amazing - it is almost too good to be true. Sure they lack a true physical, pound it out center like Shaq in his day, but Bynum while more finesse is not a wimp. Gasol is finesse but he is a sneaky defender and decent shot blocker. Then of course there is Kobe. D Fish is a clutch player and great floor leader. And as Kareem said LO is a Swiss army knife at both ends. And Farmar, Sasha and Ronny are great hustle energy players. Ariza if he comes back gives the Lakers a tough perimeter defender that will help shut down the opponents hot smaller player. These guys can score and can defend at least at an OK level right now. The D will improve with Bynum and hopefully Trevor coming back. It is all good. The Lakers are in the position to win it this year and for more years to come.
Go Lakers.
Eagleboy.
Posted by: Eagleboy | February 26, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Sorry but Yao Sucks. He is so soft like a Lo-Mein Noodle and more like a chinese version of Upgraded Shawn Bradley.
Posted by: Disgruntled, Frustrated Laker Fan | February 26, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Zen
You're right!
I really believe that Shaq is trying to bring the best out of Amare and I think he is doing it because he (Shaq) wants to win more titles since he realized he can't do it anymore, he has to bring the best out of someone.
NOW... look what he did to D.wade... I believe Shaq wouldn't win with the Lakers if he did not have Kobe as well as he would not win if he did not have Wade.
He gets the credits because he is always on the team that wins right!? Now think the other way around... Put Kobe with Duncan or Garnett or even D. Wade with Duncan or Garnett... don't you think they could win as well??
Although I think Wade has a weird and annoying game because he is always looking forward to shoot lately, I think he could win with those two guys on the Heat team.
Talking about Shaq' mouth... I don't care what everyone say here... but he definitely runs his mouth to much... why doesn't he just keep quiet and make happen in stead of saying bla bla bla! ... Is he realizing that he's just an experiment in Phoenix??
If he is the championship formula why is everyone getting rid of him??
Lakers and now Miami... $20 MIL for a guys who is averaging less than 10-10-4??? and people are complaining about Odom with his $14 while averaging... more than 10-10-4
Posted by: classic | February 26, 2008 at 11:26 AM
TIM,
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Back when I thought we were only going to win 25 of our last 30 games, I was really worried about the Mavs. Now that I’m looking forward to 34 straight, I think they will be just another speed bump in the Lakers road. lol.
What is going to be a big advantage for the Lakers is no Diop or Harris. Diop, with his height and length, is the kind of center that can give Pau trouble and Harris, with his speed, is the kind of point guard that gives all the Laker guards trouble.
Jason Kidd, on the other hand, as good as he is, hasn’t really been a major problem for the Lakers to stop. I see this game as being a pretty easy win that will show the real separation between these teams. The Kidd trade made the Mavs easy marks for us.
As for Amare, like usual, your comments were exactly my thoughts. This guy has no depth of character or insight as to how to play basketball. He is nothing but a physical marvel with weak heart and questionable character. The Suns traded the wrong guy.
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Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | February 26, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Wow!! I did not realize that Kenny Smith's remark that Shaq and the Suns will beat Lakers en route to NBA finals has some Laker fans concerned and scared, yet another roller coaster ride for the weak fans ..hahaha!
Kenny Smith is intimidated by Charles Barkley (never won a title) when it comes to voicing his opinions against anything that Chuck endorses. If there were to be no NBA then Chuck would be a working as a circus 'Clown" and I bet he would be the best at it. Chuck has never endorsed Lakers and rightfully so because of the can of whup ass Magic and Cap put on him during his informative years in NBA. Poor guy he has never been the same and thank god all he is now left with is motor mouth hahaha!! If you notice and observe when Magic makes his TNT guest appearances then both Kenny and Chuck listen intently and acknowledge what the Great Smiling One has to say. This is the only time Chuck listens LOL. Kenny is a door mouse who sits next to Chuck and dare not speak against the man who is liable punch both Kenny and the other host on the show.
Did you all realize that when one is having fun one never says stop stop stop, only when one is in pain then we yell stop stop stop, so grasshoppers enjoy enjoy enjoy the surging Lakers!!
Cheers!!
Posted by: TheRealZenMaster | February 26, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Dear Mamba24,
I hereby submit the Medical Bulletin Calendar as of 2/26/08, the ETA (Estimated Time Appearance) of following players:
1. Drew Bynum - March 31, 2008
2. Vlad Radmanovic - Day to day approximately March 15, 2008 (depending on the snowboarding conditions in the mountains. lol!)
3. Trevor Ariza - April 30, 2008 It could be the start of the 2nd round playoffs. (Unless of course they could find a good duco cement that could mend the broken foot.)
4. Chris Mihm - Indefinite but on players option till next contract year. They have to find and unscrew the missing screw embedded between the elbow and the heel. LMAO! When he got injured two years ago, it was the elbow, after a while he didn't make the playoffs a second operation needed on the elbow, and then the elbow never healed until contract time. Contract was reduced but renewed in 2007, played few games we thought it was elbow, oh no it was an ankle on the heel. Lately, it was reported he has a screw. Sorry, I'm mihmFUSED, I just stop asking.
Kobe Bryant - strained, torn pinky ligament, depressed by haters from referees, sportwriters, jealous fans. Because of the catalan effect, the battery is still running.
We are the Freakin' Lakers, never satisfied of anything, dissatisfied when we were down and still not happy when we are No. 1. We want to be on top of No. 1. LOL! Therefore, Mamba 24 by the power vested in you by the blog could you tame the debates, hide those inflated egos, corral those overflowing optimism, make love not war to fellow laker fans. Show no mercy to opposing teams, get that 40th W. tonight. Go Lakers!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | February 26, 2008 at 11:34 AM
knowing is half the battle -- That's real talk your posting about Shaq's "negative influence on Amare". I belive Shaq did the same ISH when he came to the Heat. Just listen to Wade's old soundbites back then and his entire attitude about Kobe thereafter. Why else would Wade have formulated such a negative perception and attitude towards Kobe ? Hell, he, himself never played with him and as far as I know never interacted with him! Shaq was doing that in the locker room anyway when he was a Laker, anything to DETRACT negativety from himself by dogging Kobe. Any wayz, I hate going there. So I am gonna stop now and move on to something FAR MORE interesting..
YAO and a stress fracture?? How did they even know, he looked OK the other game from what I saw..That's the NBA though..Then they give up Bonzi, could sure use his athleticism now and ability to go after the ball. Maybe Houston will try and do biz with Isaiah for Zach or maybe try and get Magliore..I cannot see them standing pat after this..Though they are solid without Yao, he is def the catalyst for that team.
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | February 26, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Classic!
Loved that comment of yours it is pretty much clear of what I been thinkin lately!
Now... let's stop talking about Shaq because he still Shaq! Certainly he doesn't do what he used to but he can certainly bring the best out of every Phoenix opponents.
About K. Smith... well that his opinion... we should not enjoy only when people talk good things about the lakers but also enjoy when they start to doubt it.
The Lakers have proven that when people doubt 'em, they perform well! just like what happened last WED when lots of people thought the Lakers were going to lose due to the inthusiasm of people seeing Shaq in phoenix and his promises of being in the best team he ever played for.
Posted by: Maxximo | February 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM
SBPIMP
“Couldn't agree more. It's silly to have the "Bynum vs. LO" or "Bynum vs. Pau" argument. This is something that Phil will work out once it becomes an issue, and he will do what's BEST FOR THE TEAM. Period. End of story. As far as what happens over the offseason, let Mitch take care of that - hasn't he proven that he knows what he's doing? Maybe the hugest result of the Gasol trade that no one is talking about it that it will give Lakers faithful enough confidence in their GM to shut up and let him do his job.”
Well spoken, SBPimp. I think most of us would agree with that assessment. Phil and Mitch have pretty much earned their spurs. Still doesn’t mean we won’t say what WE think Phil or Mitch should do, though. lol. Fortunately for us, we have Phil and Mitch to make the real decisions.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | February 26, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Idiot. That's Amare.
Posted by: sixonezero | February 26, 2008 at 12:13 PM
sam,
Right on! That supposed insider is a fraud, I think. Rondo over Fisher/Farmar really showed that this guy knows nothing about the Lakers and Celtics, whoever he is. Kobe over Ray, sure thing. KG over Pau and Pierce over Odom, maybe but Pau and Lamar might surprise. Andrew over Perkins, however, will be the big difference.
In fact, when you look at the guys playing center in the NBA that Andrew will be matched up against, you see that center is the position where we are going to have the biggest advantage – next to Kobe at shooting guard, of course. Pau has a lot tougher match-ups at power forward than I think even Lamar has at small forward. Pau has to match up against KG and Duncan while Drew gets Oberto and Perkins while Lamar gets Pierce and Thomas.
I missed two games this year for various reasons and both were the Celtics games. What happened in those games? I know Perkins had a career game against Bynum in one game but what about Kobe and Lamar? How did they play? Who hurt us in those games? I would be interested to hear other opinions of how we match-up against the Celtics.
After all, no need to talk about how we match-up with the Suns or Rockets any more.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | February 26, 2008 at 12:20 PM
"You got it right. Michael Jordan is the "Most Marketed Player EVER!" I don't think he's even close to in the same league as Wilt Chamberlein.
It's the same thing with LeBron James. I don't think that LeBron James is even in the top five players in the league RIGHT NOW, but he is the Most Marketed Player Right Now, and whether or not people want to admit that, it does effect people's perceptions.
They asked Chick Hearn who was the greatest player he ever saw, and Chick had seen them all. He said, "Elgin Baylor." How much do we hear about Elgin Baylor? He's practically an afterthought among the Greats. Why? Amoung the Greats he was one of the Least Marketed Players Ever."
It is interesting that you put Wilt over Jordan based on his bigger numbers (it’s certainly can’t be rings) and then choose to slight LeBron James who is currently having the best season numerically of anyone in the NBA (30.1 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 7.5 apg, 2.06 spg, 1.06 bpg, .486 fg%).
You’re also entirely wrong. Jordan was by far a better basketball player than Wilt.
Wilt was the Shaq of his day, that is to say someone with an incredible physical advantage over everyone else playing combined with an unusual level of skill for someone of his size. However, like Shaq, he lacked focus (joining the Globetrotters, acting, his sexual escapades) and didn’t make the most out of his talent to ensure team success for most of the seasons of his career. Also, like Shaq, Wilt’s playing level faded quickly and badly in his early 30s as he lost his physical edge. That’s why, despite the ridiculous numbers that Wilt put up early in his career, he ended up scoring the same career ppg as Jordan and ended up with less overall points scored.
Sure, Jordan was also incredibly talented physically. But, the bottom line is that the guy was only 6’6” playing in an era of great 7 footers, while Wilt was a 7 footer who played in an era with 6’9” centers. What set Jordan apart from Wilt (and virtually everyone else who has ever played) was his mental prowess with which he mastered himself, the flow of the game, and eventually the psyches of his teammates and even his opponents (this is the level that Kobe has not quite reached yet, although I think that he is getting there). It was this difference in mental ability as a basketball player that allowed Jordan to win 6 championships with far less talent (and zero post presence) than with Wilt was able to win only 2 championships.
The bottom line is that Jordan only played with 2 HOFers in his career (George Gervin, if you’re willing to count the 18 games they played together the year Jordan broke his foot which was also Gervin’s last in the L, and Scottie Pippen, who isn’t in yet in the HOF but will be). Chamberlain, on the other hand played with 8 HOFers (Paul Arizin, Tom Gola, Nate Thurmond, Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, & Gail Goodrich). That’s not even counting two players with whom he played who were multiple All-Stars in Guy Rodgers (4 times) and Chet Walker (7 times).
As far as Baylor is concerned, I agree that he isn’t nearly as appreciated as he should be. Kareem also says that he was the best that he ever saw. You do have to keep in mind though that guys like Chick and Kareem were/are a bit prejudiced because Baylor was the first great creative 1 on 1 wing scorer who played above the rim and changed what people thought was possible on the basketball court. How could they be as impressed with the guys like Dr. J, Jordan, Kobe, and now LeBron who are merely continuing the path that Baylor blazed out of nothing? So, no doubt the guy was a great player and an absolute original, but he also won a big fat 0 championships (he was an unimaginably painful 0-9 in finals appearances between college and the pros).
Posted by: Sean P. | February 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM
wow I rather have grant hill or barbosa injured than yao because then the sun will realized how important marion to their team when they shipped his ass to the last team in nba
Posted by: ShazLakers | February 26, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Sean P,
Phil Jackson said yesterday in an interview that Jordan was the greatast interior offensive player in the history of the NBA. He said no one could score inside with the variety of ways he could. In was in large part with his freakishly big hands. He said in the post, Oscar came close, but Michael was still the best.
Wilt Chamberlain had freakishly long arms! And he was tall and athletic. I don't think anyone in the NBA now has arms like that! I can see why he dominated that era. Unfortunately, if he was truely special, he would have found a way to get his team to be successful against the Celtics. Just my opinion. He should've tried to become an even bigger defensive force like Russel was.
Wilt chamberlain came close to blocking Kareems hook once at it's peak...He was a physical freak!
Posted by: zen | February 26, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Wes
"The Pistons are a serious team. It'll take every bit of Bynum and Gasol's best effort if we're going to take them down."
I hope to meet the Pistons in the FInals before the Celtics next year. I want for the Lakers to take back what they took from us four seasons ago! The Pistons dismantle the mini-lived Lakers dynasty, Kobe would sure love to meet them one last time and crashed them to the ground with his able helper Bynum and Gasol waiting to prove their worth!
Let's deal with the Pistons first, I would love to crash them in my hands!
On the way to the Motor City!
Sweep the SUNS! what we should have done two yeas ago! 4-0.
Tell the HORNETS, they are not ready yet as currently constructed 4-0.
Show the Spurs how mighty the Lakers are and their back at being second best in the West. 4-2.
Squeezed and crashed the Pistons for what they did to Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton it's payback time!Rasheed Wallace admitting the Lakers are now the World's Best and Kobe Bryant has elevated to another level in his game. 4- 2.
In summer: Odom and Walton are traded!
Posted by: Staples 24 | February 26, 2008 at 01:37 PM
In to-day's Mike Bresnahan's Lakers report , I saw a picture with a girl holding a sign which reads " HONG KONG for Kobe MVP 2008, we love U " . I am from Hong Kong ( living in LA ) too, anyones from HK too ?
fyi : Hong Kong used to be a British colony , it's now a Special Administrative Region of China in Southern China.
Posted by: Shum | February 26, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Check out this great, in-depth analysis of statistics in context:
http://www.respectkobe.com/?p=18
The author at RespectKobe.com shows why you can't just compare two players statistics straight up. So, when evaluating field goal %, rebounds, assists, etc., he shows that Kobe is a MORE EFFICIENT shooter, a better rebounder, and at least as good a passer as LeBron.
It's a fascinating read, well worth the time.
KOBE 4 MVP
Posted by: Tucker | February 26, 2008 at 01:52 PM
Check out this great, in-depth analysis of statistics in context:
http://www.respectkobe.com/?p=18
The author at RespectKobe.com shows why you can't just compare two players statistics straight up. So, when evaluating field goal %, rebounds, assists, etc., he shows that Kobe is a MORE EFFICIENT shooter, a better rebounder, and at least as good a passer as LeBron.
KOBE 4 MVP
Posted by: Tucker | February 26, 2008 at 02:02 PM
Shum another ex british colonoial member from Hong Kong:
Yeah them damn brits and their colonoies..Basically brits are the mordern day thugs who have looted their colonoies and refuse to return national treaures they hold at britsish museum..it makes no sense as these artifacts hold more value to the countries they were looted from..glad the sun has finally set for the british empire and soon to set for Phoenix suns..
Bloody cup of tea anyone?
Posted by: TheRealZenMaster | February 26, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Great article about Chris Webber and his involvement with African/American documents and artifacts and how he uses them to engage youngsters in meaningful dialogue. Stories like this and efforts like the "Day of Service" during All Star weekend should recieve more publicity.
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | February 26, 2008 at 05:27 PM
Who cares what Kenny Smith thinks? His mouth ain't no prayer book!l
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | February 26, 2008 at 05:45 PM
I hope the Portland announcers don't call the game. They along with snapper jones and the sac kings announcers are horrible, and are haters that are always trying to crack dry jokes when it comes to the lakers. I wish Chick Hearn were still around because even though he was the lakers announcer, he called the game for what it is. If you were bad he would say it, if you were good he would say it without being totally biased in favor of the lakers. He always knew facts and had good insight about the other teams and their players. He is sorely missed.
Posted by: 70slakerfan | February 26, 2008 at 06:18 PM
Well said RealZen Master, I like "the sun set for the Brit Empire and soon to the Phoenix Sun "
Posted by: Shum | February 26, 2008 at 07:42 PM
laker fans r jackasses, u guys win a few games in the regular season and already think u won the west...what a joke. the spurs in 5... u guys did get better, maybe u can win 1 game ha ha..... spurs own your ass and deep down u know it... it gets real quiet in staples when ever the spurs score more that 2 baskets in a row, in the fourth u could hear a pin drop. it's like daddy coming to spank that ass..you can act like you're not afraid but, u no u R !!!!!!!
Posted by: #1SPURFAN | February 28, 2008 at 09:50 AM