Kung Pau!
Non-sensical title, I know. But forgive me for feeling a little giddy and carefree, because I think the Lakers just did themselves quite right in this Gasol-for-Kwame/The Critter/two first rounders/Marc Gasol/Aaron McKie in name only swap. (By the way, how random is the "Marc for Pau" element? Is there something to this? Do irreconcilable differences exist between the brothers? Is Juan Carlos Navarro buddies with the entire Sly and the Family Gasol, so GM Chris Wallace is hoping that lil' bro can keep the Spanish guard happy, similar to how they brought the dude in specifically to make Pau happy?)
In my opinion, this is a great trade for the Lakers, considerably better than the play for Jason Kidd many fans clamored for. Great a player as Kidd is, the D.Fish and Farmar combo is doing a more than adequate job, making that theoretical swap totally unnecessary. Not to mention impractical, considering the Lakers are already down bigs (Andrew Bynum, Chris Mihm) and forwards (Luke Walton, Trevor Ariza), with Vlad Rad hardly 100% (or playing particularly well). To trade Lamar Odom and Kwame for Kidd does more to make the Lakers even thinner up front than actually address a legit need, even if adding a theoretical Jason Collins (who, ironically, is heading to NJ for the perennially disappointing Stromille Swift, ending a local "Worst #2 pick ever" competition). This deal, however, makes perfect sense. The Lakers pick up some seriously needed size to pick up the slack in Bynum's absence. And some highly skilled size, I might add.
For the time being, Gasol will be the Lakers starting center until Drew returns (which may be later rather than sooner, according to Ric Bucher). Yeah, he's not a huge defensive presence, but frankly, the defense has kinda sucked since Bynum has been out, so to some degree, what difference does it make? They were bound to suffer along these lines no matter who was in, so you might as well go with the better player (and I don't think it's going out on a limb to declare Pau a mite better than Kwame). Gasol can at least provide some inside scoring, a commodity desperately missed since (ironically enough) Andrew got hurt playing against Memphis at Staples on Dec. 15. Fisher told me after the Cavs loss how lacking a traditional big has thrown the offense out of whack, a matter Gasol can hopefully alleviate. He's also an upgrade over Kwame in the rebounding and passing departments, the latter making me think he'll do well in the triangle. The Spaniard on board also allows Lamar Odom to once again operate as a #3/do-it-all guy, decidedly more his comfort zone. I realize that might strike some fans as a frustrating cop out, but putting aside any "bigger and better" dreams and just dealing with reality, as we saw once Drew broke out, you can do considerably worse than LO as a third banana.
Once Bynum returns, he and Gasol become quite possibly the NBA's best frontline, at least on paper. Any shortcomings guarding the paint on Gasol's part are well covered by Drew's improved ability as a rim protector. You have a classic back-to-the-basket center and a power forward who can work down low or hit a jumper. Both require a ton of attention. Both see the floor well and can move the ball out of the post, meaning wide open jumpers from outside. And say whatever you want about LO's shortcomings as an aggressive scorer, but the dude (now playing SF) clearly has skills hitting the glass. When you're now looking at a situation where he could become the team's third best rebounder, it's safe to say loose balls could land often in Laker paws. The trio combines with Kobe (very big by shooting guard standards) to create one hell of a tall lineup. And in a perfect world with everyone healthy, Jordan Farmar, Sasha "Starting to make a believer of the K Brothers" Vujacic, Luke Walton (now in a bench role where he's better suited), Trevor Ariza, Vlad Rad (should he ever start hitting shots again), Ronny Turiaf and Chris Mihm (should he ever regain semi-form) represent some legit depth, size and versatility off the bench. If everything rounds out to form, the Lakers have a roster that could make a nice playoff run.
Any downside? I guess, but not much. Yeah, Gasol's long contract (through 2011) is expensive and he's had injuries, so it could be a long, bumpy ride if things go sour. But there are risks with any trade and the Lakers will be in cap hell for a couple seasons, anyway. If you're gonna go full speed ahead with little flexibility, it might as well be with a young, All-Star caliber PF in the fold. And yeah, Javaris Crittenton could end up a very good player. I happen to think he will. His brief court stints revealed flashes of great athletic ability and skills, plus he's a bright kid with a solid attitude. But as they say, you gotta give to get. And unless the Lakers planned on eventually playing Kobe at the 3 with a Farmar/Critter backcourt, they'd be deciding between the two at some point, anyway. I think they made the right one for now. Could the Critter end up the better player? Sure. But there's no question that Farmar is light years ahead when it comes helping right this second, and the Lakers are playing for the "right this second." If come 2012, they wouldn't mind having Javaris back but have a 15th banner to show for his absence, any retroactive pining is more than worth it.
As for Kwame, on a personal level, I'll miss the guy. He's one of the nicer dudes in the NBA, much less (formerly) on the Laker roster. Very good sense of humor, too. And to some degree, his play went occasionally under-appreciated, in terms of people not always recognizing the importance of his one-on-one post D. But to a considerably larger degree, Kwame was mostly disappointing (or exactly what you expected, depending on your cynicism). In three seasons, he may have improved a bit, but considering this is the level reached, that's not saying much. His offense remained completely unreliable (I doubt I'll ever see another 6'11" cat with less ability to make a layup), his rebounding remained ridiculously spotty, his hands remained stone-like and his feel for the game remained in neutral. Most importantly, Kwame's desire to reach greater heights remained seemingly non-existent. BK and I have always suspected Kwame's awful experience in Washington's spotlight created a desire to blend in before standing out. Maybe that's the case, maybe not. But whether seeking a low profile, blessed with more inherent athletic ability than internal motor or simply not as talented as predicted, Kwame was given a lot of opportunity in L.A. and didn't make it happen. I wish him well, because like I said, he's a very good dude. But to be honest, I'm expecting Kwame to enjoy more barbecue than increased success in Graceland.
Finally, Mom's thoughts on the deal. BK called our Laker lovin' mama and told her the news. Her reaction? She doesn't know who Pau is, but when informed Kwame was being moved, she responded with a matter of fact, "that makes sense." Gotta love Mom's ability to sum things up.
AK
THE NEW ERA HAS BEGUN!
WELCOME PAU GASOL!
LONG LIVE THE UNION!
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | February 01, 2008 at 03:31 PM
Ric Bucher doesn't know what he's talking about. Bynum was all grins at the Knicks game.
GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Jon K. | February 01, 2008 at 03:32 PM
I just can't stop smiling. No matter how hard I try.
I!
JUST!
CAN'T!
STOP!
SMIIIILIIIING!!!
Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | February 01, 2008 at 03:34 PM
SHOCKED and AWED =)
GREAT JOB MITCH!!!!
LAKER NATION FTW!!!!!!
Posted by: TerryC | February 01, 2008 at 03:36 PM
GREAT NEWS CONFERENCE ON NBA TV
MEMPHIS GM TALKING TRADE AND STATEGY
VERY INSIGHTFUL
Posted by: YOU EVER NOTICE | February 01, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Mitch said that it was really hard to trade J-Crit, didn’t say that about Kwame. Also said that when he talked to Kwame after the trade Kwame was somewhat apologetic that he didn’t play as well as the Lakers thought he should or as well as he though he could play.
Laker Nation wished you could have played better also Kwame – ho hard feelings, good luck in Memphis.
Posted by: HmrHed | February 01, 2008 at 03:37 PM
"PAU!" **Adam West-Batman Style**
We're back! Best line up in the West? I think so. Talk about a rebuild. Good isht Mitch, good isht!
#4
Posted by: #4 | February 01, 2008 at 03:37 PM
Does anyone think that Bucher's assessment of Bynum's timetable has anything to do with Gasol's signing?
Posted by: #4 | February 01, 2008 at 03:39 PM
This takes the Laker's ceiling from decent chance of making Western conference finals to better than decent chance of hanging another gold tapestry from the rafters.
The only thing standing in the way from my perspective is Bynum not getting back in time to gel for the playoffs. But after seeing what the Spanish Sensation is bringing, Bynum will likely be extra motivated to rejoin what will be the NBA's most talented starting five.
Kupchak- Lakerland stands corrected- you knew what you were doing all along, errrr, simply well-played my friend.
Posted by: Viva Pau | February 01, 2008 at 03:41 PM
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a news, this is a dream!!!!! it doesn't matter how well Gasol is playing nowadays. As long as you get rid of those two Mr: Can't handle the ball and can't pass well it is a A- move by the Lakers officials. Trust me guys, trust me on this one.... Other than the Mavericks, there is no other team in the West that go toe to toe with this "wait 'til you see Bynum, Gasol, L.Odom, Kobe and D.fish" lineup. Other than Lamar Odom, everyone will be able to make a 19ft jumpshot from anywhere on the court and this will open up Bryant to do what he does best. Who are you going to guard now? when you have two beast in the middle.... I am just... speechless!
Posted by: Laker critic | February 01, 2008 at 03:43 PM
AK, you have an astute mom there.
There's a paradigm shift in the NBA and the balance of power has shifted to that basketball mecca on Figueroa street - aka Staples Center home of the championship-contending Lakers. Just love to say that because the Lakers and their fervent fans are no longer pretenders but rather contenders.
Finally, in Pau we finally have a vaible "numero dos" option to the Kobe. More importantly, a deep inside threat with high field goal percentage working in our favor to augment Kobe's game, especially in crunch time like last night's Detroit disappointment with an airball with 4 seconds left.
Don't want to sound hackneyed but this is just a major coup engineered by Mitch and his posse. I underestimated this guy's basketall business acume. Memo to Mitch: Finally, that MBA from UCLA Andersen School is paying dividends.
Rollo
Posted by: Rollo Tomassi | February 01, 2008 at 03:43 PM
WE MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE LAST OF KWAME!!!!
Rumors out of Memphis are saying the Grizzlies are going to buy out Kwame. At first I thought that it would be impossible for the Lakers to resign him, but I was wrong. Check this out:
Gary Payton Rule: Players will have to wait 30 days in the regular season (20 days in the offseason) before being allowed to sign with the team that traded them away.
Considering Kwame's been bitching and moaning about not being healthy, I bet he could rehab for 30 days and come back to sign with the Lakers. Give him a couple bucks and he's not a bad backup.
Frankly, it's the only thing Mike T has to help him through this rough time.
Posted by: Andrew Z | February 01, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Any word on Kobe's reaction?
Posted by: MrGray | February 01, 2008 at 03:44 PM
As much as the FO was criticized for putting short term business needs over basketball needs, Gasol has a shot at attracting and expanding the sizable Latino fan base for both the Lakers and hoops generally. This can only be a good thing.
Well played!
Posted by: The D | February 01, 2008 at 03:45 PM
GO LAKERS! I haven't felt like this since we signed GP and Malone on the same day. Truly, truly a blessed day for all us here in Laker Nation.
Posted by: Chris H. | February 01, 2008 at 03:46 PM
Viva Pau! Arriba Lakers! NBA Campeones del mundo 2008!
Posted by: xtro | February 01, 2008 at 03:48 PM
amazing. we better make the western conference championship. we will, when bynum returns healthy and 100%.
Posted by: matt k. | February 01, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Mitch Kupchak has done an amazing job assembling this team so quickly from the ahses of the Shaq/Kobe/Malone Payton team. This is the fastest move from title contender to rebuiding back to title contender I have ever seen in NBA.
A long, atheltic starting 5 in Drew, Pau, Lamar, Kobe and Fish.
A young, energetic and talented bench with Turiaf, Sasha, Farmar, Vlad, Trevor and Luke.
Not only can they contend if they get everyone healthy for the layoffs, they can contend for years. Only Fish will decline quickly due to mileage, and he and Farmar can swap roles at some point.
This is a great deal. I hope Drew is back in time for him to get his game back and the team to gel, because this is going to be fun.
Posted by: Tom Daniels | February 01, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Good post AK
took you long enough, i was waiting for this post for awhile and my laptop battery is going to die. You hit some great points and i'm so glad ths trade was made. Hate to see the critter go but i'm very glad neither jordan nor L.O. had to go. I wish i had more battery though, a great day in laker blog and my battery is going to die, aint that a...
Go Lakers...
Posted by: TrueLakerFan | February 01, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Mitch Kupchak just made a Jerry West style steal!!! The student has now become the master.
Posted by: Adamax | February 01, 2008 at 03:50 PM
great move by the Lakers. Doesn't solve things on the defensive end a whole lot but I think that can be made up for on the offensive end.
I'll agree that Kwame was probably a well liked dude by the club and others. However, he never helped himself by working on his game. Kwame could have pushed himself to be a better rebounder , better defender, better free throw shooter etc etc.
But he didn't
This resulted in a 6'11'' dude that looked like he did not belong on a basketball court. Which is not something that helps the Lakers (or any other team).
I hope he works on his game and turns it around to show that he can be productive and he can contribute to a ball club.
Posted by: steven v. | February 01, 2008 at 03:50 PM
All the terrible things I said about MItch Kupchak, I take back.
Of course, the only thing that mattersis how Kobe feels about this.
Posted by: James Collier | February 01, 2008 at 03:52 PM
What an amazing and unexpected surprise for me when I woke up. I had to reread it a few times, check that it wasn't April Fool's Day, then I reread it a few more times.
Holy crap this is great news!
Posted by: Benjamin | February 01, 2008 at 03:53 PM
As happy as we are, I don't think anyone is as happy as David Stern.
BOSTON VS. LA: THE NEXT GENERATION
COMING THIS JUNE TO ABC!!!
Suddenly, this Writers Strike ain't so bad for TV!
Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | February 01, 2008 at 03:53 PM
In Pau We Trust
Posted by: AN 1 | February 01, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Would you agree with me that this is a much better deal than giving up both Bynum and Odom for Garnett.
Gasol may not be a Garnett but he will still be a solid and we still keeping both Bynum and Odom..
What do you think?
Posted by: ogurat | February 01, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Serious props to Mitch K for being patient and maneuvering for the right deal rather than jumping to the demands of the mob.
Sorry to see Crit go. The dude has serious skills and upside at both the 1 and the 2, but the Lakers have been so thin up front for a long time. Even when Shaq was here ... I mean how many times did Shaq plead for a "thuggish" power forward to help him out up front? Yep, Gasol is the right move at the right time.
Gasol can help right away until Bynum returns. He'll have a learning curve, but he's always struck me as an intelligent man. It's a better temporary solution than the Kwame debacle. I agree with AK, Kwame's a decent guy, but he is not a starting center. He's a big body who can clog up a position. He has no hops since his injuries and can barely make it to the rim these days. Sorry to see him go, but Gasol is an immense upgrade, even in the short term.
Long term - meaning after the next couple of months - is the real upside. With both Bynum and Ariza returning in March (hopefully), we'll have a serious upgrade in defense AND offense and rebounding. Seeing a starting lineup with Bynum AND Gasol AND Odom AND Kobe has got to be a scary prospect for just about any opposing team.And with a bench that might just be the deepest in the NBA, who would WANT to play the Lakers?
Kobe's gotta be doing a little happy dance right now. Maybe a jig with Phil ...
Posted by: Zingaro | February 01, 2008 at 03:56 PM
I'm writing this entry from a little place I staked out on Figueroa St for the upcoming parades... that's right, I said parades. And I'm not talking about the Doo Da Parade either.
The news of this move just about floored me.... I don't know about you, but I could've sworn I heard the entire Western Conference just let out a loud sigh in unison. Particularly the folks over in Phoenix and Dallas.... They had their window to succeed, but failed miserably at their best chance of bringing a championship to their clubs. It was their opportunity to seize the title whilst the Laker Organization regrouped.
Unfortunately for all of them, this Laker organization is looking really good right now and are now ready to make some serious noise come play off time. Talk about a shot in the arm during a time of disarray and malcontent in the ball club ... this is more like a morphine shot of excitement than anything...
Ahlayn
Posted by: ahlayn | February 01, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Now if Kobe can"t play with this team,i give up.1 problem the last few games are the missed freethrows(including Kobe last night late in the game ) Play as a team and we can DO it!!!!
Posted by: neil | February 01, 2008 at 03:56 PM
Check this out, this is the trade ESPN was suggesting in January of last year between the Lakers and Grizz:
"You seldom see a team part with two bigs in a trade, but you could imagine Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum being expendable in exchange for Gasol.
It wasn't so long ago, remember, when we saw what Phil Jackson could do when he had a dominant post player to pair with Kobe Bryant.
So, Brown, Bynum, Jordan Farmar, Aaron McKie and a No. 1 for Gasol and Atkins, anybody?"
So yes, I'd say Mitch is the man and just stole Pau Gasol!!!! You go Mitch!!!
Posted by: Schneid72 | February 01, 2008 at 03:57 PM
Andrew Z
Don't EVEN kid about that!
Posted by: AN 1 | February 01, 2008 at 03:57 PM
UM...I totally forgot something. This is Deja Vu all over again.
Remember back in the 80's when Magic made a trade demand, Dr. Buss got on the horn and then the Dynasty began?
Over 25 years later, Kobe does the same thing which has brought us to today's events.
Coincidence?
Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | February 01, 2008 at 03:59 PM
WOW - This is incredible. In a previous thread, I had commented how Kupchak ( I believe he has lost the Cupcake moniker now) is a legitimate candidate for GM of the year by virtue of the Ariza and Fisher deal, and from the deals he did not make (some that I wanted him to). This may lock it up for him if things turn out. This one is a stroke if genius. When Bynum comes back, we have the best line-up in the West. LO can now slide over to the three and become an offensive presence again. Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Bryant and Fisher has Western Conference champion written all over it. The only thing that concerns me is whether Gasol can play in the triangle - I have no idea what the Griz run.
This is great.
Posted by: Lincoln Laker | February 01, 2008 at 04:02 PM
Great trade for my heart-burn quotient: a lot LESS fumbles, dropped passes, ricocheting balls off the backboards from simple layups; a lot MORE defensive contested shots; a HELL OF A LOT MORE made freethrows; and a GIGANTIC REDUCTION is the number of TUMS I chew per game.
JJ
Posted by: Jay Jerome | February 01, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Kobe still seems tired and realized -2 player for tonight's game. But he did catch himself grin a few times. Says it shows committment (to winning now i assume). He and Gasol know each other from the summer in Barcalona and I assume that they probably wished to play with each other.
Also it was kind of nice to see Kobe miss Crittenton, but also Kwame because he liked their personalities. Kobe also had the look of "ohhhhhh k. This is going to be different" I think Kobe actually showed a flinch of pressure. Basically he knows that Buss and Kupchake did what he wanted..and now its up to him and Phil..but Phil also has no problem laying Kobe to blame either...so really the pressure is on KB24 to deliver. Easier said than done right?
It will be an interesting road trip
Posted by: The Lake Show | February 01, 2008 at 04:04 PM
Why am I seeing another version of the BULLS....so many similarities in their roster. A good balance of white and black dudes too!!
One thing I definitely want to see, a THREE-PEAT again!
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: J Rex | February 01, 2008 at 04:05 PM
I just got back to read the Scoop. Well, that's great. We lost the Java man but got the Pau. We have now a legitimate post player. Finally, got out of the 3 years nightmare with Kwame. I pity him for being booed but he was a gentleman, never shown any kind of attitude despite the rude treatment he got from Laker fans. Well, without Critter we cannot get Pau so that was his services to the Lakers. The same way with short time MO, who gave us Ariza. I give Mitch Kupchak props for those trade, he deserves clap clap clap! I think we will win 7 out of the remaining 8 games we have on this trip. Why we have accomplished the needs of the triangle? Kobe GAsol Fisher on starters; Kobe Farmar Turiaf on the 2nd string. Lamar and DJ become extra flavor, can't depend on them except their moods of the day.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | February 01, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Gasol is a great team player too....he will set his team mates up. If he plays anything like he did on the 06 World Champion Spanish National Team, this offense is going to go up a notch. That 18 and 10 that Mike T thinks is going to come from somewhere, instead is going to be replacing Kwame's lack of offense. He'll also get shots for his teammates. And here's a hunch: his D will be better than Kwame's. Easily. He's taller and smarter. 2 legit shot changers in there.
Now that we have 3 legit ballers (Kobe, Bynum, Gasol), its easy to see how this could possibly work. The offense will be much more effective, because Gasol will screen, pass, and shoot with a savviness only champions play with. He's not as soft on D as people think....we may see more Euroflops, but as long as they're in our favor I don't mind. But the brilliance of the move comes from the fact that he will FIT. Plays from 15 ft and in, has the length to play effective D, and is not afraid to make the right pass (like most Euros do).
I hope we can make a run for it this year, and if not, be the leading contenders next.
Posted by: #4 | February 01, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Mr. Gray
"Any word on Kobe's reaction?"
Heard him on AM570 with Spero. He dowmplayed it. He said on paper it looks good but we have a lot of work.
Don't quote me.
Deep inside Kobe's going "Hell yeah Mo fo!:"
Posted by: Charles | February 01, 2008 at 04:07 PM
As Steve Winwood sez:
"WE'LL BE BACK IN THE HIGH LIFE AGAIN!
All the doors that closed one time will open up again...
We'll be back in the high life again...
All the eyes that watched us once,
Will smile and take us in...
And we'll drink and dance with one hand free,
And have the world so easily,
Oh we'll be a sight to see,
Back in the high life again!"
Posted by: fenwaydirtdog | February 01, 2008 at 04:08 PM
My Daughter just caught me to tell me the news!!!!!! Awesome. No Downside.
I always believed that a Farmar/Bynum joining Kobe/Fish/Lamar had a Championship potential.
With Pau we have found the Spanish Mother Gold Lode
Thanks Mitch, and Jerry...
Happy Baywood
Posted by: Baywood | February 01, 2008 at 04:08 PM
WOW! I just heard the news. Now I do have to say, I will miss Kwame. Not for his play. I don't think anyone will really miss his play all that much. But he did seem like a likable guy. I wish him all the success in the world. Now back to the trade. WOW. Can you imagine when Bynum and Ariza get back!?!? The Lakers are a beast of a team!!!!
Posted by: DavyJonze | February 01, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Kobe Bryant as apparently not available for comment as he is busy jumping over the moon in joy. He is expected to shortly reenter the Earth's atmosphere over Eastern Canada, just in time for this evening's tipoff.
Posted by: The D | February 01, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Jon K,
Your 6-3 roadie prediction may now be possible -- not for same reasons of course -- lol
Posted by: HmrHed | February 01, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Forgiveness is in the air...
Posted by: Benjamin | February 01, 2008 at 04:09 PM
In my eyes, Mitch's job is only half done. He needs to deal Lamar, because we just can't have players who freeze up under pressure and cost us games. I've seen it too many times this year and years before. He's been in the league too long for that. If he hasn't learned by now, it's never gonna happen. Championship banners aren't won with potential. Plus, LO's got BAD, BAD karma. He's the reason Baby B is sitting on the sideline. Screw bad luck, that injury was nothing but bad life karma.
Posted by: JC | February 01, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Next Step: Jerry and Kobe Kiss and Make Up!
Kobe must be just as happy as we are.
Baywood
Posted by: Baywood | February 01, 2008 at 04:10 PM
Celts have a monster lineup.
Now Lakers got one.
The rivary is baaaaaaaaack!!!
I KNOW THE EIGHTIES ARE IN FASHION, BUT THIS IS RIDICULOUS!
Mitch, you fashion victim
Posted by: Patrick Blasa | February 01, 2008 at 04:10 PM
What a roller coaster ride this season has been. First the panic button with Kobe Watch 2007. Then the surprise upset and coming out party of Andrew Bynum. Then the hope crushing injuries bringing us back to dark days. Now a surprise move out of nowhere to give us arguably the best starting five and deepest bench.
We can win it all, but we'll need Bynum back in shape and in rhythm for the playoffs. If Derek/Kobe/Lamar/Pau/Bynum are ready to go in June, there's no team that should stop us.
All we need now to secure the 15th banner is Bynum back.
Posted by: AndrewT | February 01, 2008 at 04:11 PM
Assist by Jerry West!!!! (who drafted Gasol).
Somewhat like McHale's valuable assist to Boston (Garnett), West gives Lakers a belated gift!
Thanks, Mr. Logo!
Posted by: hava98 | February 01, 2008 at 04:12 PM
"giddy and carefree"
Go AK! That's what we like to hear!
Posted by: Faith | February 01, 2008 at 04:12 PM
Laker game online:
www.channelsurfing.net
Wes
Posted by: | February 01, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Bill Walton just said the Lakers are the favorites out of the west. Pinch me, I'm dreaming.
Posted by: HmrHed | February 01, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Is there a link for where I can watch the game now? I'm tired of waiting for KCAL feeds.
Posted by: mx | February 01, 2008 at 04:14 PM
We've got to wait and see...nuff said.
Posted by: Island_Gamer | February 01, 2008 at 04:16 PM
I'm not sold. It does improve the Lakers in the short-term, but long-term? Why are we jumping the gun here? Why did we need a trade? Kobe said they were championship level with Bynum, and I definitely agree with that.
When Kobe was the #1 option and Bynum was #2 and Odom/Fisher #3, they were as good as anyone in the league, and Bynum was just barely getting started. And you all know it. So will Pau get in the way of Bynum's growth? Does he know the triangle?
Someone in here just said "we now have a real #2 option." Have you completely forgotten how 1 month ago we had a superb young growing #2 option, that had elevated the Lakers to best record in the West?
I guess what it comes down to for me, is whether Pau can be the complementary player. If Pau is cool with being the fourth option, and just doing the hustle stuff that Kwame did, then I guess it's alright. But then why pay so much for an all-star complementary player? Why kill cap space by trading a strong big guy who cannot catch passes for a strong big guy who (presumably) can catch passes?
Color me confused...
Posted by: OptimusPrime | February 01, 2008 at 04:16 PM
Now you can keep your job my good ol' friend, I owe it to the FAITHFUL Lakers fans, enjoy the bandwagoners.
GO LAKERS
Posted by: Jerry West | February 01, 2008 at 04:17 PM
I take back everything I said about Kupchak.
He missed the deal of the century - KG, but
this may top that, because he gave up no
one and got rid of Kwame in one move.
Now if we can just get rid of Odom....
Posted by: Jeff M | February 01, 2008 at 04:18 PM
I'm still confused as to how this deal actually went through. What possessed Memphis into thinking this was a good deal?
Oh man this is so good for us. And the fact that it was orchestrated by Kupchak blows my mind. I think we all underestimated him, the same way WE ALL underestimated Bynum last year...
Posted by: Henry D | February 01, 2008 at 04:18 PM
JC and others- I agree things dont look good for Lamar. yes he could go back to SF but the lakers already tried that this year with less than impressive results, which is why he was moved back to PF.
I like Lamar but his days with the lakers appear numbered.
Today the trade looks great for the lakers but these types of trades really cant be evaluated for several years, especially with the 2 draft picks the lakers traded away.
Posted by: Laker Lover | February 01, 2008 at 04:19 PM
I'll tell you what I won't miss. I won't miss kwame making a great post move with his feet only to rocket the ball off of the backboard or rim. dude had zero post game. this is a GENIUS trade! I think Gasol will fit nicely in the triangle.
I haven't been this excited since a few weeks ago. Just hope Bynum doesn't take as long as they say he is.
Posted by: jusdeuxit | February 01, 2008 at 04:20 PM
www.channelsurfing.net just scrolldown and look for the game
Posted by: fabian | February 01, 2008 at 04:21 PM
Kobe's gonna go off for 50+ today not out of necessity, but out of sheer joy. What pleasure it is to play with less pressure. GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: Chris H. | February 01, 2008 at 04:21 PM
Faith,
Glad my happiness is making you equally happy. haha
Also, below is a repost to you from an earlier thread. I thought it might get buried in all those comments, but I wanted you to see it, since you raised an interesting point.
REPOST
I actually don't think the D will be much worse with Gasol swapped in for Kwame. It could might actually be better.
Gasol may not be able to body a guy in the post as well as Kwame, but he's a better shot blocker and rebounder, which balances it out to some degree. The frankly, the D we had going right now without Bynum was pretty bad anyway. The defensive improvements this season were due considerably more to Drew than Kwame, and by a long shot. So in a lot of ways, you're playing a waiting game to get that back no matter how you slice it.
But in the meantime, I think some of the defensive problems were due to offense having no options inside, which led to bad shots, turnovers and bad transition D. Gasol's presence can go a long way towards fixing that problem. A smoother O generally leads to better D.
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | February 01, 2008 at 04:23 PM
I'm writing this entry from a little place I staked out on Figueroa St for the upcoming parades... that's right, I said parades. And I'm not talking about the Doo Da Parade either.
The news of this move just about floored me.... I don't know about you, but I could've sworn I heard the entire Western Conference just let out a loud sigh in unison. Particularly the folks over in Phoenix and Dallas.... They had their window to succeed, but failed miserably at their best chance of bringing a championship to their clubs. It was their opportunity to seize the title whilst the Laker Organization regrouped.
Unfortunately for all of them, this Laker organization is looking really good right now and are now ready to make some serious noise come play off time. Talk about a shot in the arm during a time of disarray and malcontent in the ball club ... this is more like a morphine shot of excitement than anything...
Ahlayn
Posted by: ahlayn | February 01, 2008 at 04:23 PM
I just wanted to take the time to WELCOM Pau Gasol to the Lakernation. Welcome Pau!! Glad you are a Laker.
Posted by: Lakers4Life | February 01, 2008 at 04:24 PM
lakermania iz running wild in 2008!!!!!! los angeles bytches!!!
Posted by: lkrsrunningwild | February 01, 2008 at 04:25 PM
What a Steal for the Lakers. I am sorry but Kwame did not hustle and was constanly flat footed, very lazy. Gasol will now make the lakers a contender for the West Crown. Hope this is what will make Kobe happy. It may not be Kevin Garnet or Jason Kidd but at a avg. of 18ppg Gasol is a true Big man player. Mitch nice job. Keeping Kobe and dumping Shaq, look where shaq is now, looks like retirement is upon him. Jerry Buss was well informed that he, Shaq would decline. Now the Lakers other than Fish we have a good young nucleus. I am sure the Suns, Spurs and Mavs are thinking OH SHIT!
Posted by: CJ Peters | February 01, 2008 at 04:29 PM
Something tells me Pau will be happier being a #2 or 3 option on a serious contender of a Lakers team than being the #1 on the lottery bound Grizzlies squad. We don't need him to score 20/10 every night; we just need the threat. I also see his defense improving on this team, especially when young Andrew gets back.
I am really sad about losing J-Crit, though; I had high hopes for him, and I'd love to see him do well in games not against the Lakers. If Jordan hadn't developed so quickly, Javaris wouldn't have been expendable, so he served a dual purpose in his short Lakers career.
Posted by: Tully Moxness | February 01, 2008 at 04:29 PM
I just LOVE the trade. I can hardly wait to see lakers in full strengths. GO LAKERS.
Posted by: Manwarul Alam | February 01, 2008 at 04:29 PM
There are two more lakers being rumored to place Kidd. I don't think will materialized due to contract size and too much alterations in one day. I think whatever trades, let's leave it this summer when there are more players to be offered in the market. Pau and Drew are powerhouse on the Centers, we just develop them into defensive gems and we're really in competitive.
What happens to Mike T? is he in mourning too? No, Paul Gasol is much easier to analyze rather than fitting Kwame in the triangle peg. With Pau, his transformation is minimal and I think Kareem is happier amd became younger to have Pau as his students than going with the basics with Kwame. Our strenght lies on the perimeter success of Sasha and Vlad connecting those shots. They indefensible so keep on perfecting them, the same is true with Farmar and Fisher. How about Lamar and Luke? If they don't improve, they are surely targetted by fans and F/O, suddenly Lakers is the place to be on the road to Championship.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | February 01, 2008 at 04:31 PM
If you are questioning Pau competence in the triangle, go back and watch that world championship that Spain won. Pau operated at 15 feet out mostly. His brother played closer to the rim. It wasn't the triangle, but his play was in the high post.
I'd even go so far to say that he would fit better than if we brought Jason Kidd in. He'd give Bynum much more room to operate. And thinking of this over the course of a game, he and Bynum don't have to be in together. This gives us SOOO many options on offense.
And Pau isn't as bad on D as people think. More savvy, mental D than body to body D. Cuts down your options because he's long, backs off, and tries to make you shoot over him. I don't see as many lapses on rotation that we saw from Kwame or even Shaq.
Posted by: #4 | February 01, 2008 at 04:31 PM
Have some fun checking other teams' blog reactions to the trade:
The Suns
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/story/2008/2/1/16058/80637#commenttop
The Spurs
http://www.poundingtherock.com/story/2008/2/1/172655/9559
The Mavs
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/story/2008/2/1/171219/0618
Posted by: DodgerBlueBalls | February 01, 2008 at 04:34 PM
What is Mike T. going to do without Kwame around?????
Posted by: Eagleboy | February 01, 2008 at 04:34 PM
now that i've changed my pants.... how does ESPN editor know bynum might be out for the season, and if so can he come back during playoffs?
Posted by: CHRIS M | February 01, 2008 at 04:36 PM
Forgive me if I've made a few mistakes, but by and large, here's how far we've come. Dang.
Now
Fisher / Farmar
Bryant / Vujacic / Karl
Odom / Walton / Ariza
Gasol / Turiaf / Radmanovic
Bynum / Mihm
Yesterday
Fisher / Farmar / Crittenton
Bryant / Vujacic / Karl
Walton/ Ariza
Odom / Turiaf / Radmanovic
Bynum / Brown / Mihm
Start of Season
Fisher / Farmar / Crittenton
Bryant / Evans / Vujacic / Karl
Odom / Walton
Turiaf / Radmanovic / Cook
Brown / Bynum / Mihm
End of Last Season
Parker / Farmar / Williams
Bryant / Evans / Vujacic / McKie
Walton
Odom / Turiaf / Radmanovic
Brown / Bynum / Mihm
Posted by: DWIGHT | February 01, 2008 at 04:37 PM
I am having trouble wrapping my head around how great this deal is for the Lakers. The two picks one (2008) will be about a 20th selection, but the 2010 pick will really be about a 25th or 26th selection because the Lakers will be so improved. So they really wouldn't help the Lakers that much anyways. Being that he used to be the man in Memphis, did Jerry West help out the Lakers by speaking with Grizzlies front office, the same way that McHale helped out his former team the C's in the Kevin Garnett deal?
Posted by: richard | February 01, 2008 at 04:39 PM
WE DO NOT NEED J KIDD!
HE CAN'T SHOOT AT ALL (LOOK @ HIS %.. ITS LIKE 36%!!!)
HE'S ALSO NOT SO HOT ON D ANYMORE, OPPOSING PGS OFTEN KICK HIS BUTT.
OK, HE CAN PASS AND GET TRIPLE DS
BUT... HE WOULD BE THE WORST POSSIBLE FIT FOR THE LAKERS. WHY DO PEOPLE STILL WANT HIM?
Posted by: NO TO KIDD | February 01, 2008 at 04:43 PM
Dwight, don't forget DJ Mbenga in his own enforcer category (as temporary as that may be).
Posted by: Enrico Polazzo | February 01, 2008 at 04:45 PM
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
WE'RE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKK!
I'M ABOUT TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
I officially apologize to Mitch and Jerry for all those horrible things I said about them last summer.
Posted by: EastCoastJessie | February 01, 2008 at 04:46 PM
I posted this on the previous blog, so I apologize for the repeat, but it is worth repeating....
WOW!!!
I just read about the trade and I was shocked to see Mitch make such a brilliant trade. Do you think that Jerry West had some influence on this decision by Mitch or that this was solely Mitch's idea? I think West had a hand in this....
I'm probably one of the few Lakers fans that liked Kwame... not for his offense (or lack of), but for his defense. His big body helped to clog the middle. However, with Bynum's growth, Kwame's departure was inevitable. I actually thought that Chris Mihm would be traded before Kwame because he's been hurt, but I'm glad that Mihm is still here. I like Mihm. He works hard, hustles, and can score. His main problem is staying out of foul trouble.
It's too bad to see Crittenton leave as well. I thought he had a lot of potential, but sometimes you have to make sacrifices to succeed. Oh well, I guess not all GM's or VP's of Basketball Operations are as stupid as Kevin McHale, who traded away one of the premier players in Kevin Garnett for scrums.
Pau now gives us a legitimate #2 or #3 scorer behind Kobe and possibly Bynum (when he gets back). Now less weight will be on Odom's shoulders, so he can focus more on passing & rebounding, which are his best assets. As a second (or third) option to Kobe (and Fisher), I would rather have Pau take a game winning shot as opposed to Walton or Odom.
The Lakers now have a legitimate chance at winning the championship with Pau, along with the returns of Bynum & Ariza.
Woo Hoo!!!
GO LAKERS!!!
Posted by: Stephen Ward | February 01, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Optimus - I understand your skepticism, and I'm certainly not looking for an immediate impact. Gasol may or may not take tot he triangle. It might take him a while or he might catch on pretty quickly. If history is an indicator, he might not really be in the flow until next season.
Still, he can make an impact now. True, his D isn't the best. He doesn't especially like to run. He doesn't really like to play a back-to-the-basket game. But ... he's an upgrade over Kwame until Bynum returns.
In the longer run, it is an even bigger - potential - upgrade. Gasol is a big who has shooting range, can pass and rebound. I'm not saying he's Nowitsky or Garnett, but his skills are similar. And he is an all-star player.
One of the biggest knocks (of many) on Kwame was that he couldn't play the 4 spot, not with Mihm and not with Bynum. Gasol can and will, which will give the Lakers a front line of impressive range and skills.
Gasol's a team player, a very important asset in the triangle. In fact, it takes a special individual to really WANT to be "the man". Kobe's got that quality. MJ had it. Shaq had it. But Gasol doesn't want to be "the man" any more than Odom does. What that gives the Lakers is a set of very skilled team players in support of a superstar who is finally being more and more of a team player himself.
IMHO that gives the Lakers a very impressive long term.
I'm less than sold on THIS season. Who knows what kind of play Bynum will show when he returns from a scary knee injury? Same iwth Ariza. Treveor's game is athleticism and cutting and slashing and lock-down defense. Will he have that right from the get-go when he returns? Will Bynum be playing above the rim for lobs and blocks and dunks and rebounds?
We won't have those answers until March. But the prospects sure are good.
Posted by: Zingaro | February 01, 2008 at 04:49 PM
What do you guys think of now putting Lamar on the trade market??? Earlier on Lakers Zone Mitch didnt exactly say this Laker roster is done and complete. Although Lamar's length provides some matchup problems in the post for almost every team in the league (never count on Lamar's offense), he is a very below average perimeter defender. Defending SF wing's like Carmelo, Pierce, Josh Howard, Steph Jackson, etc has proven very difficult for him.
With all the offense we need with the addition of Gasol, could we turn our focus to a more defensive minded perimeter player/SF?? I think a Ron Artest?Lamar Odom swap would greatly benefit our team come playoff time. Artest is a shutdown defender and a more DEPENDABLE offensive threat than Lamar Odom. All we would really be giving up in such a trade is Lamar's rebounding ability, something I dont think is that necessary with Pau and Bynum down low now. Normally Kobe has to guard the opposing teams best perimeter player, with Artest, Kobe can take somewhat of a break on D, maybe prolonging his career.
Lamar for Artest?? BK, Laker Nation, what do you guys think??
Posted by: Neel | February 01, 2008 at 04:50 PM
I'm not sold. It does improve the Lakers in the short-term, but long-term? Why are we jumping the gun here? Why did we need a trade? Kobe said they were championship level with Bynum, and I definitely agree with that.
When Kobe was the #1 option and Bynum was #2 and Odom/Fisher #3, they were as good as anyone in the league, and Bynum was just barely getting started. And you all know it. So will Pau get in the way of Bynum's growth? Does he know the triangle?
Someone in here just said "we now have a real #2 option." Have you completely forgotten how 1 month ago we had a superb young growing #2 option, that had elevated the Lakers to best record in the West?
I guess what it comes down to for me, is whether Pau can be the complementary player. If Pau is cool with being the fourth option, and just doing the hustle stuff that Kwame did, then I guess it's alright. But then why pay so much for an all-star complementary player? Why kill cap space by trading a strong big guy who cannot catch passes for a strong big guy who (presumably) can catch passes?
Color me confused...
Posted by: OptimusPrime | February 01, 2008 at 04:16 PM
I agree with you that this trade leaves me puzzled. I like the acquisition but we gave up way too much. I would have kept JC and offered Rad or Luke.
Memphis got JC, 2 1st round draft picks, Aaron McKie (no big deal) and the rights to Pau's brother Marc Gasol.
That is one Crit too many for just Gasol and 2nd round pick. It may look good now but we have seen what happens to Fish when he gets tired and Farmar will not be as good imo as Crit will be. Just just got thin at the point guard position after we had good depth after so many years of finding a good set of pgs. I think we will suffer at the point.
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | February 01, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Mitch for president.
Posted by: hay | February 01, 2008 at 04:55 PM
All I can Say is NO MORE HANDS OF STONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goodbye Kwame hello PAU GASOL
Posted by: Alfred Rueff | February 01, 2008 at 04:59 PM
Geez Lamar!
Stop passing a wide open 3-points shot. SHOOT IT!
Posted by: Steve | February 01, 2008 at 05:01 PM
Great trade for the Lakers!
Is there any truth to ESPN's report that Bynum may be done for the season?
Maybe that's why the Laker's made this trade...
Posted by: Navid | February 01, 2008 at 05:04 PM
Gasol is proven champion and team player. This is gonna kick ass!
Posted by: J. Walter Weatherman | February 01, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Alleluia!!!
Finally a move that make a lot of sense. I can leave with that. Mitch you just earn some of my respect. Let's the winnings biggin.
Like the great Mamba24 will say:
WE ARE THE FREAKING LOS ANGELES LAKERS WINNER OF 14 NBA CHAMPION. ETC...ETC...!
Mamba from the east coast
Posted by: Mamba24Fan4Life | February 01, 2008 at 05:15 PM
I just have t say that the grizzlies got the best end of the deal. Pau Gasol is the biggest crying, Spanish baby LA will ever see. Good Luck Dealing with him
Posted by: Jon Smith | February 01, 2008 at 05:15 PM
Bienvenido PAU....eres el futuro de los lakers...vas a ganar un campeonato.
viva ESPANA...viva los LAKERS
gracias Mitch kupchak.
SO LONG KWAMEEEEEE
I really am giddy!!
this is AWESOME FOLKS....BYNUM PAU..KOBE....ODOM,.....FISH..
CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE NEXT YEAR AND MAYBE TWO AND MAYBE THREE.....COUNT IT!
hugoooo....COLORADO LOVES THE LAKERS!
call me bro...we need to catch some of this action!
kwame.eeeeee...goodbye!
Posted by: Lakers4realz | February 01, 2008 at 05:16 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there.
That Shaq trade was genius. It just took a while to kick in. Just think of it this way:
shaq for odom, caron, and dirt.
caron for kwame
kwame for gasol
then, take out all of the stuff in the middle and you get:
old broken down shaq for odom and gasol.
see. genius. i'm just sayin'
Posted by: jusdeuxit | February 01, 2008 at 05:20 PM
To the guide who said "Gasol has a shot at attracting and expanding the sizable Latino fan base for both the Lakers and hoops generally. " Do you think Kupchak or the NBA actually went into this trade thinking about DEMOGRAPHICS? Hasn't Pau been in the NBA for FIVE years? You telling me because he was in Memphis, no Latins knew who he was? And as far as helping L.A. hispanics, I think the Lakers have been THE FAV NBA team in CALIFORNIA for DECADES! What a Stupid comment to make!
Now back to SERIOUS hoops blogging... Somebody on here says Odom benefits from moving back to #3. Frankly, once Bynum returns, Odom needs to be traded. He's not swift or agile enough to be a #3
Look at the match up problems for Lamar at small Forward: Josh Howard, McGrady, Lebron, Durant, Caron Butler, Joe Johnson, Hedo, and Jefferson of the Netsl.. They are all too swift.
Odoms, a good rebounder and, for his size, a very good ball handler at PF and is good passer. But he ALSO doesn't score well enough to be a #3. See, at the Ssall forward spot, the emphasis on outside shooting goes up NOT down because its the Power Forward who needs to have the post up game since he plays closer to the basket. Odom has always been, at best, an average outside shooter. So why move him to #3? Do you want MORE airballs like seen in Detroit last night?
I think with the trade of two #1 pick for two of the next three years, Odom & Walton are trade bait. Plus Odom is being paid $15 MILLION! I think his contract may expire after next season too!
Posted by: | February 01, 2008 at 05:20 PM
Andrew Z,
>>>Considering Kwame's been bitching and moaning about not being
>>>healthy, I bet he could rehab for 30 days and come back to sign with
>>>the Lakers. Give him a couple bucks and he's not a bad backup.
Oddly, I wouldn't mind that. I would be happy to see the Lakers pay Kwame
half a million for the rest of the year to be a 15 minutes a game backup for
now, and an end of bench player when Bynum comes back.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | February 01, 2008 at 05:22 PM
Hey Navid- where did you read that ESPN report?
Posted by: LakerLass | February 01, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Trading Shaq led to this. Shaq to Miami for Butler, Butler to Wash. for Kawame, and now Kawame for Gasol (for at least the next 3 seasons no less!!! LOVE IT! And don't forget we got Farmar because of the Shaq trade too. Shaq is a shell of his former self and now we have Gasol, Farmar and Lamar to show for it. Thank you Dr. Buss and Mitch soon to become exec. of the year Kupchak!!!! FIFTEEN COMING SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: 15cmngsoon | February 01, 2008 at 05:28 PM
That is one Crit too many for just Gasol and 2nd round pick. It may look good now but we have seen what happens to Fish when he gets tired and Farmar will not be as good imo as Crit will be. Just just got thin at the point guard position after we had good depth after so many years of finding a good set of pgs. I think we will suffer at the point.
Posted by: JustaLakerFan | February 01, 2008 at 04:53 PM
You have to be joking dude,sure you are not related to a certain mike t.
Posted by: White mamba24 | February 01, 2008 at 05:30 PM
JustaLakerFan you are not an ASTUTE lake fan! What makes you think Memphis would TAKE Walton and Vlade!? I don't get all this love for Javaris? A guy who is a rookie not playing most of the games so far! If he is that damn good, how come he was NOT a Lottery Pick? Remember Farmar is no older than Javaris and has a year of pro experience. Frankly, I was not sure why Lakers picked him anyway? I thought they didn't give Farmar enough time to see what he can do. Javaris is fast but so is Devin Harris with the Mavericks and Dallas, after 4 years, is still not sure if he is their long term PG answer! So I say trade the young, EXTRA PG you have for a YOUNG (27) ALL Star PF where you have a hole to fill!
Posted by: Ken | February 01, 2008 at 05:31 PM
I love you mitch!
Posted by: SK | February 01, 2008 at 05:41 PM