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Just when you thought it was safe to go into the water

February 15, 2008 |  9:05 am

And by "water," I mean "the All-Star break without any worries," along comes Kobe's durn pinkie.  A extra look-see from the medical staff has revealed a right pinkie ligament tear.  The doc recommended surgery.  Kobe has decided to hold off on the O.R., opting for pain over a six week absence that could leave the Lakers high and dry in seriously competitive and ever changing Western Conference.  And  considering the Lakers have their sights on coming out of said division, it stands to reason that Kobe on the court would be a part of any blueprint.  He also remains, for the time being, a part of the All-Star blueprint this weekend, although Dirk will be subbing for him in the shootout from distance.  The Lakers (and yours truly) are hoping the league will allow Kobe to skip the whole kit and kaboodle (or at least limit his work to a cameo smaller than William Hurt in "A History of Violence").  But even then, the decision likely remains up to Kobe, who appears dead set on lacing 'em up.

If you see Pau Gasol on the street, compliment his ability to be an apt pupil.  Then let him know he can crash on your couch, if need be.

AK

Is Denver the next Western conference player to make a bold move?  Shockingly, Z.Bo is open to the idea of leaving the Knicks.

Jerry Stackhouse's big yap could make him even less popular than Devean George in Dallas.  But should  Stack's flapping gums not sink the ship, Keith Van Horn could become a local folk hero without doing a damn thing.

For those who like to do their homework before betting on the rookie-sophomore game, have at it.

It's easy for Blazer Darius Miles to love the NBA lifestyle, since it doesn't involve that whole "playing" thing.


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Kobe will play in the ASG -

He'll just use his LEFT HAND for almost everything, it will be a challenge for him to go left, shoot with the left, free throws, etc.

And he'll still be great, and wow everyone, and that's that. Right now Kobe is working on the left hand for the rest of the season to keep the wear and tear down a little on the right hand.

He already has performed well using the left hand in the past, and for him it's the perfect opportunity to prove once again just how amazing he is (something he is intent on proving over and over again as the heir to MJs throne).

Korey-

There are a lot of options, I guess, but the reality is there are only so many ways you can protect your hand playing basketball. No matter how you play, if you play hard, there will be contact, passes that jam fingers, different sorts of impact. I think while he'll probably look at different things he can adjust, in the end, either he can play at the level and in the way he's accustomed to playing, or he can't. We'll all have to wait and see.

BK

This just in:
LeBron's feelings are hurt so he'll be missing acouple of games. (just kidding)

I've done alittle research and I think the issue is whenever the thing gets hit it'll get painful and swollen. "Ligaments are tough bands of fibrous tissue that connect two bones" and I guess other than the pain and Swolling he could get it re-dislocated which makes the issue what it is: Between a rock and a hard place and crap hitting the fan at the same time.

I love Gasol, but he can't do it alone, just like Kobe could not do it alone.

Tim-4-Show

nicely said in other words, lakers with gasol only and no kobe are the L.A GRIZZLIES

kobe knows he's srrounded by scrubs who can't hold their own, why do you guys think he was jumping around like a kid who just got a ps3 for xmas when gasol played his first game as a laker.

There's a difference between being able to play through pain, and playing at your maximum best. The issue is not whether Kobe can play through pain bec. we all know that he can, the question is, will Lakers still be able to win the Championship if Kobester is at less than 100%?
The argument can be made that the Lakers will be so overpowering when Bynum/Ariza come back that a Kobe playing at 75%, focusing on assists and defense instead of scoring, can still win the trophy or at least the WC (but may not be strong enough for Celts/Pistons in finals?)
But if the Lakers are indeed so strong, then a further argument can be made that Kobe should have the surgery now bec. the Lakes will still qualify for the playoffs. Kobe comes back 100% and the Lakers can win the WC even from an 8th seed, and then the League Finals. (Ironically, the answer may be tied to the question, How good do you really think Sasha Vujacic is?)
The question shouldn't be about Kobe, it should be about the Team and the League championship.

Taliq,

"check the hate before you wreck yourself." Nice! Props.

Just say no to myspace, it's for sluts haha, jk. Sorry, just kidding.

As I understand it, it's a complete tear right? That's really really painful...but I don't see it getting any worst. Well at worst, the body tries to heal it, and medical science will have to fix the deformed healing. But that's like way out there. Like I said...it's mostly really, really, really, really, really, really, really painful. But we all know how we is with pain.

Either way I'm not willing to throw out the season yet. This is where getting helps becomes all that much gravy-er.

HERE, HERE!

>>>"Kobe loves BScott."
Posted by: Faith | February 15, 2008 at 10:53 AM

As any Laker fan should too.

Have you guys ever wondered who can replace Phil Jackson once he decides X more (number of) rings than Red Auerbach is enough?

Yep, good, 'ol #4 BScott.
Check this picture: http://www.jamd.com/image/g/360304

Taliq-

I approve your message too but consider this the Nuggets have 20 losses (3 more than the 3rd Lakers) and currently out of the playoffs. The 07-08 Western conference is going to be played like an NFL season. If .50 does it for us we should concider ourselves lucky. But I don't think that'll happen. Regardless what's gots be done gots be done and like yourself I have faith in the Laker team and in Lamar Odom to take Kobe's role for a while.

It sounds like Kobe would just as well have them cut the pinky off completely and have them cauterize the wound so he can go back out and play. Tough choice though either way.

I am more impressed with Pau than I had even hoped for. This is a Bright Sun-shiny day in Lakerland.

Huge props for Devean George and here's to hoping Keith Van Horn stays in retirement and also does not want to play in the swamp.

T-Woody

justanothermambafan-

Can't argue with logic. The issue is I'm not a for future type of person when I see the future is now.Been wantin for too long, want it good and want it now. My most favorite athlete to watch ever since I started watching sports is 29 and I wanna see another 4 rings and in order for that to happen, this year needs to bring the first one. but your point is completely valid you just have to excuse my ADHD.

AK

Nice William Hurt reference. You don't get to see those everyday. Good pull!

T-Woody

LAKER LOVER = PHOENIX LOVER

Taliq,

I get what you're saying and I hadn't looked at it that way. And you might be right. My initial thought, knowing Kobe to the degree I do, is that he never wants to miss anything or look like he's backing away, which is why I peged him as wanting to play. And he hasn't said anything otherwise. And that he'd use not having permission as a way of doing what he'd prefer to do anyway. But yes, it could simply be a matter of him not having permission and because of that, he hasn't really stated his preference publicly. That certainly does make sense.

As for the recommendation to get his take, I don't think I'd be able to track down Kobe for a direct quote on the matter (he's possibly on a plane as we seak). But to be perfectly honest, I seriously doubt Kobe would say, on the record, that he'd prefer to miss it, all things being equal. That's just not how he rolls. It doesn't mean you're not correct in your analysis. I'm just saying, for a variety of reasons, I'm guessing I couldn't get confirmation one way or the other.

Any any rate, that's just my gut thought from having been around him for quite a while. It's certainly not a harsh criticism of Kobe, which is why I think it's odd that you'd normally chalk this up as "hating." This hardly felt personal enough to even go there. But I guess you gave me the benefit of the doubt, so I do appreciate that.

AK

i actually agre with DrewPauKobe. I think he plays (not alot of minutes though) and shoots all his shots with is left hand i mean we're talking about a guy who tried itin a real game.

The bottom line here is championship and the Lakers cannot win or go to the finals if Kobe's finger is not 100%. Any hand injury will effect his handling and shooting obviously so its much harder to play through then like a bad ankle or back. So if the Lakers can just make the playoffs with Kobe being out for 6 weeks, then I say do it. There gonna have to play the Spurs or Pheonix sooner or later anyways!! Understandably its alot easier to reach the finals by avoiding 1 of these teams instead of playing both but if the Lakers want to be true champs then they gotta play the best. I don't want to hear excuses coming from the Spurs or Shaq "well they didn't play us in the playoffs."

Korey,

>>>If he practiced and Sasha Vujacic hurt him , man I
>>>might go skitzo...

I wouldn't be too worried about Sasha. It's Lamar who's the
most prolific team-mate killer.

Taliq

Keep in mind that the coaches really don't like their star players, or any players for that matter, siuting up for the aAll-Star game. Similar to pulling the top guys in a blowout. Keep the guys healthy. Phill has made that comment over the years numerous times. At the same time they know the obligation that the league puts on players, especially super stars.

Also, Kobe is still in "Image Repair" mode. He is still the most critisized player in the league, he has slowly rebuilt his image from Colorado and now he has to deal with the YouTube fiasco. All in all, he has to show up with a big a** smile and awaive for everyone. And it never hurts to have Missuz Kobe hanging off his arm.

T-Woody

Kobe needs to get surgery NOW. You have a week off to heal. DON'T WAIT. Waiting gets you endanger of losing Kobe in playoffs. You won't have enough time to get the whole team playing together in sync.

Do it NOW. Trust in the rest of the team to keep them in the playoffs even if it's low in the rankings. They can still work their way up.

Please let Kobe be alright.

iirc James missed 6 games with minor injuries and the Cavs lost all those games.

Charles/Elle,

Can you add me to the myspace thing and let me know about the laker fan party? I can't add people cuz I'm retarded with that thing. myspace.com/skyflyer348 is me.

Rayray,

Yeah, I'm better than that NOW. I still can't believe there was a time in my life when I thought T-Mac = Kobe.

LosAngeles Jakers,

Love the Black Knight as a nick name. lol...love monty python, period.

Have a good one. Go Lakers.

Faith,
Isn't there also a broken bone? (At least that was reported at one point.) Also, when tendons tear completely, don't the ends tend to pull farther apart over time, thus making the eventual surgery and subsequent recovery somewhat more difficult?

looks who's picked to go to the finals!http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

Since someone asked, here's the John Hollinger article:

posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 | Feedback | Print Entry

I have some unsolicited advice for Kobe Bryant: Get the surgery.

If you want to win a championship, it's your only option.

Don't be a hero and try to play with your injured right pinkie. While I admire your willingness to play hurt, I saw you try to play with the bad digit in Atlanta last week and you were as ineffective as I've ever seen you: 4-of-16 from the field, 3-of-5 from the line, for just 11 points. If you do that for the next six-to-eight weeks, you might help the Lakers win a few more games than they would have otherwise. But there's no way you're leading a team to the promised land in that condition.

I know you've played better in the four games since the Atlanta game, but given how much you handle the ball and how often you go to the basket, it's inevitable that you'll be hit on that pinkie finger. Again and again and again. And every time, you'll be back to square one.

If winning a championship is the goal, then there's only way to do it, Mr. Mamba. Sit out these next six weeks and hope your supporting cast is good enough to get into the postseason. If they aren't, you weren't going to win a championship anyway. If they are, then it doesn't matter where you're seeded -- with you and Andrew Bynum back in the lineup, you'll be the team to beat in the Western Conference playoffs.

Keep in mind that your team doesn't need to do all that well without you in order to make the postseason. The Hollinger Playoff Odds project 48 wins will be required in the West; if the Lakers go 13-17 in their final 30 games they'll finish 48-34. Anything better than that and a playoff berth looks certain.

With a lineup of Derek Fisher, Sasha Vujacic, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol and Ronny Turiaf and a deep bench behind it, it sure seems they could play .500 ball over those 30 games; consider that Gasol won 50, 45 and 49 games with roughly equivalent talent around him in Memphis. Consider, too, that they have 17 of those 30 games at home, and 14 against teams with losing records.

The alternative is playing with a bad finger. You might help them win a few more regular-season games and get a higher seeding, but you'll likely be in no position to lift the team past the likes of the Spurs and Jazz in the postseason.

So which would you rather do? Play with a bad finger and lose in the second round? Or get the surgery and risk missing the playoffs for a chance to win the title?

It's an easy call, right?

HmrHed,
Thanks for reposting my screed from the previous thread. I feel honored. And let me be clear about one thing: I didn't -- and I don't -- plagiarize. I guarantee original authorship of everything I've ever posted on the blog (or anywhere else). If I quote someone else, I use a device called "quotation marks" and give the name of the author. If I remember something I heard someone else say I admit it came from "somebody", just as I did in my post, without being able to site that person. The rest is my own.

I must say, as well, that I think this is a very disciplined blog in that respect. A lot of original ideas and formulations, often very well expressed, and respectful of others' authorship, if not copyright. I.e. it's actually somewhat dicey to copy whole articles from other publications or websites, but the tolerance for blogs as spontaneous communication is a great recent tradition.

Again I take my hat off to all the quality bloggers on this site and to the K brothers for creating the right atmosphere and making it all happen with the right dose of intelligence and dynamism.

Happydaze/Charles maybe what we could do is start a group on myspace for the laker viweing party and post a link to that group here, that way peeps can let me/Charles know who is going. Also if anyone wants to play pool during/after the game you might have to let me know because they require reservations.

Okay, let me address something nobody else has mentioned.

What's 6 weeks?

Is that the minimum recovery time (like Bynum's 8 weeks)?

Is that average recovery time?

Is that maximum recovery time?

At the end of that, do they take the screw out? Or does
he continue to play with a screw in his hand, possibly
causing as much aggravation as the un-fixed injury?

If someone said 4 to 6 weeks and 90% of all patients have
nearly 100% functionality afterwards, I'd be all for Kobe
doing the surgery ASAP. If it's 6 weeks miniumum, and
50% of patients require an additional procedure and more
healing time, then I'd say gamble on playing through it.

My initial respond to the pinky injury of Kobe was somewhat nonchalant, but now it's becoming more of a concern, given the recent news of a torn ligament and need for surgery.

Just seems like the Lakers are snakebit with injuries that could derail their chances of winning a championship. The dilemma is whether to bite the bullet and proceed with the surgery or play through it and have surgery in the off-season. It's a tough call to make.

As far as possibly getting another player, I'd like the front office to boost the bench with the addition of a Pietrius or an Artest-type of slashers/lock-down defenders. Both multi-skill players can either start or come off the bench, and would provide tough defensive plays come playoff time.

Memo to Mitch: Rise and shine. Make those calls to Mullin and Petrie.

actually that is a good point, Kobe should have the surgery tomorrow if possible or Monday instead of waiting for something? to happen, what, I dunno but obviously he can play through it but... can he make it worse? If so, pull the plug right now instead of waiting and him having to do it 3 weeks from now.

AK/BK,

Is the Lakers draft pick that went to Memphis this season
lottery protected? I'm not certain, but I seem to recall hearing
that it was.

If so, then Kobe should have his surgery, and Lamar and
Fish and Ariza should also come up with phantom injuries
that they need to rest the rest of the season. I figure if they
try hard enough, they could lose all 30 of their remaining
games and have a decent chance in the lottery. Now that
would REALLY piss Pop off. :-)

I'm just being ironic, by they way, in case it isn't clear.

AK

I haven't read every single post here so this may be redundant but according to Marc Stein Kobe doesn't want to play in the all-star game.

"The Lakers, according to team sources, are trying to convince the league that Bryant should be excused after a visit Thursday to hand specialist Dr. Steven Shin revealed a ligament tear. Bryant is expected to make that plea personally once he arrives in New Orleans on Friday after Shin recommend that Bryant undergo surgery that would likely sideline him for six weeks."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/allstar2008/news/story?id=3246576&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

I just hope the team makes the right decision about Kobe.

If he's going to be out only six weeks guaranteed with surgery, I'd have him do it.

If there's a chance the recovery could be longer, I'd let him play through it.

It is just his pinky, he's been shooting pretty well after having it dislocated.

We're coming up on crunch time in the season. After the all star break, the cream of the crop rises. The playoff race is as close as I've ever seen it at this point. It'd really hurt us if we have to go through this period without Kobe and Big Bynum.

I think he's making the right decision holding off on the surgery.

Go Lakers!

AK,

Given your referencing of him, I assume you may be a fan of thespian William Hurt. Out of curiosity, what's your favorite WH movie. Mine would be "Altered State."

Without Kobe, our starting lineup is:

Fish
Sasha
Luke
Lamar
Pau

Except for Pau, NOT ONE of these starters can create their own shot consistently. NOT ONE of thse guys are good defensive players. NOT ONE of these guys are a threat to penetrate, and we all know how Lamar does as the second option.

Compared to a Kobeless (and Bynum/Arizaless) Laker team, one can argue that Gasol had better teamates in the starting lineup in Memphis, with Mike Miller and Rudy Gay. Gay and Miller are talented, and legit second options on offense, yet the Grizzlies were bottom feeders in the West the entire season.

Utah, Houston and Golden State are red hot. Even Denver is playing well as of late, and Phoenix, NO, Dallas and SA are virtual locks. Without Kobe, this team will STRUGGLE BIG TIME to hold onto a playoff spot in the West.

As long as Kobe's finger injury is not career threatening, Kobe really has no other option but to play. Even if we don't win a championship this year, our young guns will gain invaluable experience going deep into the playoffs. Experience and injuries are the only potential road blocks to the next Laker Dynasty. Without Kobe this year, gaining that invauable experience will most likely be delayed for another year.

Plaxico Burress had a torn ligament all season.


Not to get to far off the subject, but Plaxico Burress played the entire season with a torn ligament and a torn tendon in his ankle. Things turned out ok for him.

Rollo Tomassi,

Yeah, I like William Hurt. He's a weird dude, but usually pretty good. I do think it's weird, however, that an actor of his caliber always looks like he's completely stoned out of his mind in ever role. haha

At any rate, my favorite of his roles is probably "Body Heat." He's great in it and it's a really entertaining movie.

AK

Kobe needs knife nowposted: Friday, February 15, 2008 | Feedback | Print Entry


I have some unsolicited advice for Kobe Bryant: Get the surgery.

If you want to win a championship, it's your only option.

Don't be a hero and try to play with your injured right pinkie. While I admire your willingness to play hurt, I saw you try to play with the bad digit in Atlanta last week and you were as ineffective as I've ever seen you: 4-of-16 from the field, 3-of-5 from the line, for just 11 points. If you do that for the next six-to-eight weeks, you might help the Lakers win a few more games than they would have otherwise. But there's no way you're leading a team to the promised land in that condition.

I know you've played better in the four games since the Atlanta game, but given how much you handle the ball and how often you go to the basket, it's inevitable that you'll be hit on that pinkie finger. Again and again and again. And every time, you'll be back to square one.

If winning a championship is the goal, then there's only way to do it, Mr. Mamba. Sit out these next six weeks and hope your supporting cast is good enough to get into the postseason. If they aren't, you weren't going to win a championship anyway. If they are, then it doesn't matter where you're seeded -- with you and Andrew Bynum back in the lineup, you'll be the team to beat in the Western Conference playoffs.

Keep in mind that your team doesn't need to do all that well without you in order to make the postseason. The Hollinger Playoff Odds project 48 wins will be required in the West; if the Lakers go 13-17 in their final 30 games they'll finish 48-34. Anything better than that and a playoff berth looks certain.

With a lineup of Derek Fisher, Sasha Vujacic, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol and Ronny Turiaf and a deep bench behind it, it sure seems they could play .500 ball over those 30 games; consider that Gasol won 50, 45 and 49 games with roughly equivalent talent around him in Memphis. Consider, too, that they have 17 of those 30 games at home, and 14 against teams with losing records.

The alternative is playing with a bad finger. You might help them win a few more regular-season games and get a higher seeding, but you'll likely be in no position to lift the team past the likes of the Spurs and Jazz in the postseason.

So which would you rather do? Play with a bad finger and lose in the second round? Or get the surgery and risk missing the playoffs for a chance to win the title?


It's an easy call, right?

AK,

"Body Heat" - forgot about that one. He was good in that. I do agree with you on the "stoned out" characters he played, although I believe those had been mostly in independent flicks. Over the years he did some weird ones. He's got a flair for the weird one. I think the all-time weird movie he did was "Kiss of the Spider Woman."

Lebron gets a pinky injury that doesn't need surgery and misses three (?) games.

Kobe tears a ligament in his pinky that needs surgery and misses ZERO games. Lebron James is an amazing talent, but that right there tells you a significant difference between him and Mozart/Da Vinci.

Seems to me Lebron is content with being one of the best in the NBA, but doesn't have the desire to be "the best ever." He seems to be missing that intagible desire/killer instinct for greatness, which is what separates Tiger, MJ, Kobe, Roger, Bird, etc. from the crowd.

Also, when Andrew Bynum catches a pick and roll dunk on top of Shaq's head in the playoffs I am going to be ROTFLMFAO.

DOOOO BEEEE DOOOO BEEEE DOOOOOO

Posted by: Stranger in the Night | February 15, 2008 at 09:29 AM

And Lebron's injury was on his non shooting hand. Kobe on ESPNEWS stated that he's not going to have the surgery because he owes it to the FO, Lakers Organization and his teammates to get rest and play it out. Kobe also pointed out that his decision is based upon Andrew being out and Gasol getting acclimated with the system. I was shocked to hear Plaschke being the only one to give Kobe credit for toughing it out on ATH on ESPN today. All the other guys said Kobe is making a mistake by not getting the surgery done. Regardless of how people view him, Kobe has heart and is standing by his earlier statement about "walking the walk..." after the FO traded for Gasol. I think most sportswriters, opposing coaches and teams are hoping that Kobe misses six weeks because no one wants to see the Lakers come playoff time. Go Lakers!!! Go Kobe!!!

If it turns out I'm misrepresenting Kobe's intentions, I'll certainly own up and apologize. But that's how I'm reading things at the moment. At the very least, he doesn't seem to want to make it publically known that he'd prefer to miss it.

AK

Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | February 15, 2008 at 10:08 AM

There was an article in paper in Times or Daily News that Kobe said he did not want to play in the ASG to his teamates. As some one else pointed out he was going to publically make his plea in NO not to play.
---------------------------------
Let me spell this out for you:
Kobe played up through Wed.
He's scheduled to play Tuesday.

Does that sound like a KG or Butler type of injury?

No.

Therefore, the NBA says, "you will play. You're not missing games, you WILL play, that's the policy that's the way it is. And by the way Kobe, if we want you to miss games, we'll supspend you and take your money. That's how this league works boy. Now get back in your place."

The only problem with that is that Kobe did not sit out the last game because it was re-injured in that last game. If a player needs rest so he can play the next game then the league should not penalized a player for protecting his health and the loyalty to his organization and its fans.

My humble opinion is that I think it best that Kobe gets the surgery now and get that extra week of heal time with no games played. I also don't think we are lottery team without Kobe. He was injured and played sparingly or not at all in early games this season and we won those games. I especially remember kicking Funs A$$es. I saw his look on the bench and was shocked to see what his teamates were killing the Funs.

JustaLaker fan,

If you check out the most recent post, I admitted I was incorrect.

AK

JustaLaker fan,

If you check out the most recent post, I admitted I was incorrect.

AK

Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | February 15, 2008 at 03:06 PM

AK

I know you did but the point of my post was to state that even Kobe said he did not want to play to his teamates which was not stated before.

I did not mean to make it seem like I was piling on. I apologise if it came out that way as it was not my intention.

Thanks for pointing out my slip up.

Kobe knows himself better than any of us...I am sure if he thought he would do further damage and completely jeopardize the Lakers playoff chances, he would have the procedure done..

I support him and the lakers.

But what the NBA is making him do as far as the ALL STAR GAME..that is a bunch of horse$@#@#

Stupid.

Anyway, we are third in the west only 1.5 back and this is the home stretch...look for us to finish 2nd or first this year.
I still believe we can win the West.
No doubt.s


OH and Why was I not listed on the ROLL CALL?!

HAHA.:)

Hugooo..buddy....are we going to go to Dallas/Houston for the games next month?
My dad has tickets for the houston game in his company's suite.....too bad they didnt give him extras....sigh.

 


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