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Coby Karl might still be running

The Lakers, fresh from last night's road win in Seattle, took it easy today in El Segundo, getting a later start than normal and keeping the workout relatively light.  "We have a lot of guys who have played a lot of games.  We need to still keep our rhythm, but not suspend ourselves with too much activity," Phil Jackson said.  After all, things are going pretty well.  Eight straight victories, with an opportunity to run it to nine tomorrow against a slumping Portland team on Tuesday.  Big picture, things look good as well.  "Our schedule is favorable, because we've played the majority of our games on the road.  So we have a relatively good home schedule," Jackson noted.  Still, "we have a lot of work to do."  True enough. Now that Lakers fans have regained the taste for winning, expectations have gone up.  People ain't screwin' around no more. 

Kobe didn't speak to the media, and Jackson played coy on the issue of possible fines connected to last night's ejection and his postgame comments, in which PJ implied ref Brian Forte, son of veteran whistlebearer Joe Forte, might be a) the beneficiary of a little nepotism, and b) something of a red-ass.  "Let's say that because the explicitness of your reporting," PJ grinned, "I'll just let it lay where it is right now."  I was left with the distinct impression that Jackson doesn't care an iota if he happens to get dinged by the league.  It's not the first time, it won't be the last... and besides, he's rich. 

Derek Fisher said he was happy to see 24 continue to show that sort of intensity in a blowout, and noted that Kobe was probably aware of the situation.  Had the game been closer, Bryant probably would have kept his emotions in check.  "I don't think he intended to get tossed, though," Fish said.  "I don't think his intention was to prove a point.  He was just playing with that same fire and emotion that he always plays with.  Different officials have different tipping points.  The gentleman last night had I think a quicker tipping point than most."

I asked Fish if he's ever been tossed for mouthing off at a ref.  He laughed.  No (with a caveat, found in the audio), "but we still have a lot of games left to play, so I don't want to say too much."   

NOTES:

  • Vlad Rad is going to get more evaluation on his bum right calf, but said he was feeling better today than he did Sunday.  That's good.
     
  • I saw Chris Mihm, who was doing rehab work and said things are coming along well.  He's more comfortable now with the screw removed from his foot, and is getting some pretty fancy treatment to induce healing.  The sort of thing that isn't likely covered by your HMO. Incidentally, he said the screw they pulled out was about the length of his pinky, which is saying something since as a seven footer, the man has substantial pinkies.  We're going to try and get a picture of it for the site.  (The screw, I mean.  Not his pinkies.)
     
  • After practice, when everyone was done with extra shooting, Coby Karl started to do some supplementary fitness work.  He was running baseline to baseline, seemingly forever.  I'd stop to talk to one player, look back, and he'd be running.  A few minutes later?  Still running.  And running.  And running.  Such is life when you're not getting a lot of PT.  Players have to stay in shape somehow. 
     
  • Moment of the Day:  Ronny Turiaf and Luke Walton attempting to bounce pass a ball into the lower shelf of a ball rack from maybe 20 feet.  For those of you who need a visual, there might be about two inches in each direction to play with.  It's a narrow, narrow fit, like trying to bullseye wamp rats back home/shoot proton torpedoes into the Death Star.  Normally, guys make one attempt, then leave the ball for a rookie to pick up.  Those two kept at it, and kept at it, and kept at it.  Finally, I heard Ronny yell, "Ten dollars!" and he passed by, arms raised in triumph, on his way to the locker room, apologizing with a smile for his outburst. 
     

AUDIO:

BK

 
 
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The ref made a mistake.

Kobe made a mistake.

Phil made a mistake.

Let's get this over with and move on to Portland!

Ninth win tomorrow!

GO LAKERS!!!

"Incidentally, he said the screw they pulled out was about the length of his pinky, which is saying something since as a seven footer, the man has substantial pinkies. We're going to try and get a picture of it for the site."

You're gonna get a pic of the screw?! Is that before or after its sold on eBay?

"like trying to bullseye wamp rats back home/shoot proton torpedoes into the Death Star."

I lolled.

In case you missed it in the last thread, 82games.com now
has a table of stats showing how all the nba players perform
during "clutch time". They define clutch time as 4th quarter
or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by
more than 5 points.

So it's no big surprise that the top two clutch scorers in the
NBA are LeBron at 59 points per 48 minutes of clutch time,
and Kobe at 50 points per 48 minutes of clutch time.

You want a surprise.

Guess who the best clutch stealer in the NBA is? I'll
give you a hint, it's a Laker.

you guys probably have the best job ever.

again... PEACE in LAKERLANd..


LOVIN IT NOW

Oops. Forgot the link to the stats:

http://www.82games.com/CSORT17.HTM

Breaking News: Brandon Roy of Blazers will not play tomorrow. Steve Blake will take his place.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/
2008/02/roy_out_for_la_games_webster_o.html

Not Good News for the Lakers: We are getting out of contention of B. Barry Derby, he will decide tomorrow among five team excluding the Lakers. (Hey Barry, we need you if you wish to join a Championship team. In case you change your mind of joining any of those pretenders, you are welcome to the Lakers.)

Players being waived: Jamaal Magloire, Brent Barry, Marcus Vinicius, Justin Williams (kings), Sam Cassell, Tyronn Lue, Flip Murray and Antoine Walker (he's itching to get out of Minny.)

BK, Thanks for the medical bulletin, so Mamba please include those report on the bandwagon. Let's tell the LA doctor HURRY, we need Bynum, Ariza and Vlad back. IF THEY COULD BREATH, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY TOO. LOL!

Ak & BK,
Do the Lakers have any interest in signing Brent Barry? I believe he was released by the Supersonics after being traded there. He seems like he would be an ideal fit for the Lakers.

why would the lakers want to sign barry again?

im confused...

are we in the business of getting everyone on board these days?

lol

Wow, the Suns are really really really really hoping they get Barry:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/

Huge frontpage headline:

"Suns get Barry word Tuesday"

Heck Yah! Kobe is so focus and very determined. He knows that this is their time, and NOT anyone, especially a rookie official will stand on their way. LET's GO LAKERS!!!

Hey, Bynum is the most clutch blocker in the NBA. With him and Walton together, no one will be able to beat us in clutch time!

"clutch blocker"

hehehe never heard that before :)

AK/BK, (Can you please verify this story?)

I heard on 570 this afternoon from Mychal T. that DJ MBenga has a near-to-death experience before becoming an NBA. This happened about 10 years ago when he was nabbed in Congo by tribal wars and he was about TO BE EXECUTED by the Congo government. His cousins and other friends have raise a sum of money to corrupt the officials & stopped the execution. They were successful to that objective and MBenga escaped Congo and went to Belgium. It was in Belgium where he learned to play basketball in 2000.

I think Mbenga is on a mission as well as Cobi Karl. I also hope Cap will devote his training in converting MBenga into a serviceable Center this summer. He may have stumbled in guarding Shaq, he was just like Drew before. I just believe that players on a mission have a higher goal above than just basketball. The Lakers today are lucky with their strides because of the kindness of their heart extended to Cobi Karl and Ronnie Turiaf. They should be the face of the Lakers on our way to Championship.

Lakers extended the life of Ronnie Turiaf...

Lakers gave hope for Cobi Karl to enjoy life

Lakers is the face and heart of Africans thru their NBA representative. DJ MBenga who almost gave his life 10 years ago, now on a mission for Laker CHampionship.

We don't need Barry. We have the "Machine" already! Let the Phoenix take him then we can call them the Geriatric Suns.

This is worth voting.. if u guys havent seen this already

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/rank?versionId=18&listId=46

Go Lakers...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cassell's about to get bought out (LA Times)-- take him over Barry?

Later Laker Nation ...

Ben Goldberg,

"With him and Walton together, no one will be able to beat us in clutch time!"

Luke is Ok in mid quarters as the 11th man but don't mention Luke during clutch time, he will beat himself. lol!

Closing out my thoughts form the last thread.

"So a great leader gets kicked out of a blowout game against an inferior opponent?"

You seem to be missing the point, that's why I made the "no basketball understanding" comment.

That's like someone who watched one baseball game (Dodgers) in the late 80's. During that specific game Tommy Lasorda happened to have one of his famous tantrums. The on-looker would comment "he is a horrible leader for acting that way. Look he even kicked dirt on the umpire's shoes."

That person has no baseball knowledge. His comments are way off. Just like yours are.

A person with an understanding of the game would know this:

Getting a double T does not make a leader. Getting a double T does not make you a bad leader if you already are one. Its a part of the game that happens.

It could be extremely positive and inspire your team in some cases, it could be a horribly timed outburst and really kill your teams momentum and chances of winning in other cases.

Kobe's was right in between. The game was practically over anyways. No inspiration needed, no negative effects either (Kobe was going to sit the 4th anyways). All this not even mentioning the fact that he probably didn't deserve the first T anyways. HaHa.

Its painfully obvious that you wanted to make a point (Kobe = bad leader), and your looking for things to support your beliefs. Unfortunately for you, this "evidence" you selected had little to do with your argument, and it made you look like a n00b.

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I'm going home, have a good night everyone.

Edwin-

I think this article gives some background on what you're talking about:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7335

BK

Never, what's the prediction tomorrow? I can't wait for it.. hehe.. Make sure your DVR is ready for recording Tomorrow.. Can you send me one of the Game of Lakers that you recorded? Maybe the Game that kobe scores 81.. Will you?

Bynum stop clutch-blocking me dude!


I just saw Coby Karl run past my window, FYI.

Thank you BK for that great article about our "real life heroes".

So Laker fans, we really have something to cheer about our Lakers, our rallying cry:

REMEMBER OUR REAL LIFE HEROES ON THE BENCH

I see Ty Lue is on the list of those to be cut. Lakers should pick him up FAST.

AK/BK,

Once Bynum comes back, is it better for him to come from the bench through out the remaining games of the season? I really notice that our current starting lineup with Gasol is much better than the starting lineup with Bynum.. I know i may sound stupid but that what I see as the record shows. I really prefer that Bynum should be in the 2nd lineup(remember the days of BENCH MOB?)

Edwin Gueco,

>>>Luke is Ok in mid quarters as the 11th man but don't
>>>mention Luke during clutch time, he will beat
>>>himself. lol!

You don't know how wrong you are.

Luke Walton LEADS THE LAKERS in assists, steals, and
rebounds during clutch time. And he's number 1 in the
LEAGUE at getting steals during clutch time. Read `em
and weep:

http://www.82games.com/CSORT17.HTM
http://www.82games.com/CSORT13.HTM
http://www.82games.com/CSORT14.HTM

He also shoots 28% in clutch time. So the next time you
wonder why Phil has Luke on the floor in pressure situations
at the end of games, it's for everything BUT his shooting.

There are a lot of here that will disagree of me by telling that Bynum should not be in starting lineup. Why not having a vote here in the blog,

Is Bynum should be in the starting lineup for the rest of the season once he returns?

Please cast your Vote now...

Edwin - I think the solution you're looking for is liquid sea minerals - at least that's what Jon K advocates - LOL! Personally I'm with you - if you breathe, you play - BTW that's Kobe's motto....
But really everyone just needs to get healthy. We don't need anyone rushing back right now - the guys are getting the job done in the meantime. I just worry about further injuries. We're a bit thin, but it doesn't seem like we're getting the 15 spot filled anytime soon.
AK/BK - have you heard anything new?

Great reporting! Rich, compelling, and hilarious

this season has been a season of SURPRISES...

other than Pau and bynum... we have sasha finding his groove FINALLY.

Enough with the pinkies!!

BK,

It must be fricken awesome to hang out at with Lakers at practice.

Dude, mention the liquid sea minerals for those with bone, joint, or connective tissues injuries and systemic enzymes for people with scar tissue. I'm dead serious.

GO LAKERS!

Welcome back Mamba24! You were sorely missed.

First things first: Add me to the Kobe MVP and Championship bandwagons. Plus, I'm reposting a proposal for a 34-win bandwagon.

Repost:
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MAMBA24!

You gotta start up the 34-game Win Streak bandwagon! By my count we are already 4 dudes deep (counting me):

1) Amazing_Happens
2) 805LakerLove
3) LakerTom
4) SBPimp (not yet committed)
5) Yours Truly (FearlessWhackJob)

Plus, we need to upgrade the 55-win Bandwagon. It needs new rims. Captain's chairs for all the original faithful members. Lots of flat-screen TV's. DirecTV and PS3's in every seat. Plus, a set of fuzzy dice on the rear view mirror.

Oh, don't forget the NOS, too. Cause we are racing to the playoffs!

--FearlessWhackJob

{I know no one wants to hear this, but forgive me.}

What the frick were the Clippers thinking? Why didn't they trade Sam Cassell and at least get some draft picks for him.

Now, Sam Cassell wants out and the Clippers get nothing but to save some money.

Man, if I was Elgin Baylor, I'd say you're sitting on the bench for the rest of the year and you are going NOWHERE. And then I'd crazy fine every time he was 45 seconds late to anything.

Urgh.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!

Ben Goldberg,

"With him and Walton together, no one will be able to beat us in clutch time!"

Luke is Ok in mid quarters as the 11th man but don't mention Luke during clutch time, he will beat himself. lol!

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | February 25, 2008 at 06:14 PM
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Edwin,

I know, but according to the STATS, he'll steal the ball every chance he gets in clutch time. Let's get him on Lebron next time if the game is close, no need to take chances with Kobe guarding him.

I'm just kidding of course, but these clutch stats are fun to look through. Heh, and with Camby's 4th quarter three pointer against the Celtics, he becomes the most clutch three point shooter in the league.

People really need to lay off Luke Walton. He's had some bad games, but he's hurt (needs sea minerals) and pay attention to his +/- stats. His stats are among the most positive on the team.

GO LAKERS!

Frank Rizzo,

With regards to 2nd techinical on Kobe, he really asked for it in order to send a message that hacking can be dangerous to one's health especially if a player is protecting a torn pinkie. Based on rules on the book, it was a foul but the referee was guilty of omission. It was good that it hit only his shoulders, supposing it occurs again in other games and hit him hard on his weakness, our dream and chances goes with it. Kobe is sending a message to the NBA higher ups to stop allowing those kind of fouls and being allowed by young referees.

The proper way of handling it, is to call a time out and let Phil Jackson do the protestation and to be followed up by the Laker F/O to ask for definition of what is a foul? after the game. They should call the attention of the head of the referees on this matter, the only risks Lakers will receive the brunt of unfair calls as a reaction.

How dominant has the Lake show been?

Why are we so confident in our team?

In the month of February, the Lakers have been untouchable. One gimme loss to the Hawks is the only blemish. Please remember that the Lakers had/have more roadies, more games played, and more back to backs than any other team in February in the NBA by a good margin on all accounts. And this is the results (so far)

Record 11-1

Minutes led by lakers 520:46
by opponent 55:14
percentage of minutes led: 90.4%

Quarters won: 38-48
4 of the 10 quarters lost were in garbage time. Only 6 quarters were lost under competitive circumstance out of 48!!

Largest deficit: 11 pts (Orlando)

Remove the Orlando game and we led 94.2% of the time with a largest deficit being 6 pts.

All I can say is WOW! I don't know if I've ever seen the Lakers so dominant in any particular month (in terms of percentage of time led) since I've been following them in 30 years of Laker loyalty.

I won't swear on that but I can't remember a stretch.

34 anyone??

Put me on that bandwagon Mamba24...

As for whether or not to start Bynum when he's back, I say
he should start. In fact, I'd move Gasol to the bench mob
before I'd move Bynum to the bench mob. And here's why:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22007&split=9&team=

The most productive two lineups the Lakers have put on the
floor this season both included Bynum. The best Laker
lineup including Gasol was a hair less productive than
the second best lineup including Bynum.

luke is an average to good bench player.

thats all.

dont ask for more or youll get disappointed.

Hornets, Mavs and Nuggets could all loose tonight. Tight games with these three. Hopefully Clippers pull up a W against the Celtics tonight.

http://www.nba.com/

Ben Goldberg,

You know why he's being pumped by STATS, firstly those playing time refers to 2nd unit players not really to starters of elite team. Secondly, he passes the ball to Kobe or Drew or Fish or Farmar or Sasha who are making those SHOTS and catching them turned into Luke assist. Those people in the EAST COAST sports media do not know Luke the way we knew him by heart. They knew him as the deciple of Luike Olson, as a son of a Superstar and therefore a great player. Have you heard of any TNT sportscaster or even ESPN talked thrash on Luke? As I said in the previous thread, if the games are against Clippers, Sonics, T'Wolves then those STATS may be true but when the game is close against elite teams, we have been burned before, thank you we have now Ariza and Radmanovic to bail us out who can defend and take the ball to the hoop with authority. I agree that Luke can be used for few minutes in mid game while starters are resting, once he starts making series of T/O's, get him out there....

"The sort of thing that isn't likely covered by your HMO"

Liquid Sea Minerals?????

LTLF,

You are the stat man. You live with your stat and they are your facts of life.

In my case, I read the stat of voices in this blog during live games. Review what bloggers say about Luke during live games the + and - . Fuzzy math don't deceive human eyes!

Anyway, LTLF take the advice of Jon K - nobody wins with analysis-paralysis, it's all about our speculations. Let us just cheer for our Lakers as a whole. Don't think of trading Odom, pumping the obvious, you divide loyalties by creating controversial stand. Listen to LakerTom, what we all need now is FOCUS not analysis!

Kobe doenst talk to the media the day after he gets kicked out of a game...What a BIG baby....Being a Laker fan since 1965 i can only hope we don't see the Kobe that tried to take over the Detroit series a few years ago...Kobe:until he stop crying on every call that doenst go your way,he will never get a call.His constant crying will hurt us come playoff time....DEFENSE and DEFENSE will win us games in May and June not crying and complaining...

I'd rather have Barry on the Suns than on the Spurs. With SAS picking up Kurt Thomas, we don't need them getting any more clutch performers... they still have big shot out on loan, and I wish that hypocritical Popovich would return him to where he belongs.

Trio,

I vote to have Bynum start and here's why.

DJ Mbenga!

And besides, Gasol is a natural PF.

Also, this will make the Lakers with the best front court in the NBA.

Long Live Chick,

Thanks for the post. But....

86-87 Lakers... you don't think they dominated for at least a month like that?

We're talking about a team that would take the floor, and then at the end of the first quarter would be up like 40 to 5.

I'm pretty sure something along those lines actually happened with that 87 team. They BULLDOZED opponents.

BTW, the 86-87 Lakers went 65-17.

If we win "34" and end up with that same record, I'd have to put this team up there with that one... and I consider that team to be the *greatest* ever.

Barry is overrated, is hurt, is old etc etc. Who cares who gets him. He is NO WAY a difference maker for any team.

Kobe haters are hilarious.. they are grasping at things to criticize him for.

LTLF,

Thanks for the Link.. Indeed the records shows with Bynum we are better referring to that stats. But giving more games for Gasol I surely believe that it will surpass the records of both. To think that Gasol just learning the triangle offense and with the current lineup with him, it made in the top 15. Can you imagine in 2 months time? How effecitve he will be? As Phil said, as of now Gasol just learning the basic of Triangle offense..

But to tell you, it's no matter to me who is in the first 5 as long as we will be in the Final this year and in coming years. I firmly believe that Phil can figure it out how to make these two big Dudes to co-exist in the starting lineup.

We are building a Dynasty that no one can imagine it comes so soon, not even Bryant nor Phil..

Long Time,

I admit I cheated but I don't believe it. LMAO. OK, I do remember several good steals. Hard to believe though.

Tom

Laker Lover,

” Charles- I always post with my name, I have no problem stating my opinion, no matter how unpopular it is.”

The reason why I posted my reply in the first place, is because it was nameless. This point is so moot on so many levels. Spiraling now….

“We will have to agree with disagree on Kobe getting kicked out's benefit to the team According to his own comments he did not get kicked out on purpose so any discussion he did this to help the team is silly dont ya think?”

You’re the one who made the comment on the first place. “So any discussion” was actually on your behalf.

Good night dude……

Does anyone have an opinion on the abysmal nature of the Miami Heat's season thus far? I'm most curious about what people think that Pat Riley is telling his players at this point. Do you publicly speak about winning and giving it your all, then proceed to privately tell your team that they need to just make it look close and lose? Or does the team legitimately try to win so that they can avoid the embarrassment of loss after loss? How would any of us feel if we were on the top of our profession for that fleeting moment, only to feel it taken from us as swiftly as it came?

trio,

We traded for Pau to play with Andrew not to replace him. I know Pau has been playing great but Andrew is still the key to winning it all. With Andrew, we dominated the other elite teams like the Suns and Hornets and Jazz. With Pau, we are able to eke out victories but we lost the rebounding battles and did not play near as well defensively. Andrew solves those both of those two problems.

What’s funny is that we don’t have to make a choice because the plan is to start both Andrew and Pau once Andrew has recovered from his knee dislocation. Sure, Pau will probably move up to center when Drew takes a breather on the bench, with Lamar sliding up from small forward to man Pau’s power forward position. And when Pau goes to the bench, you will see Drew come back to play center.

Finally, we will probably see lots of different variations of the lineup as we match up with different teams. That is one of the strengths of our depth and the number of guys we have that can play multiple positions – Pau, Lamar, Kobe, Ronny, Vlade. But bottom line, nobody including Pau Gasol is going to keep Andrew Bynum out of the starting center position once he is healthy. Not for the next 10 years at least.

Tom

Does anyone have an opinion on the abysmal nature of the Miami Heat's season thus far? I'm most curious about what people think that Pat Riley is telling his players at this point. Do you publicly speak about winning and giving it your all, then proceed to privately tell your team that they need to just make it look close and lose? Or does the team legitimately try to win so that they can avoid the embarrassment of loss after loss? How would any of us feel if we were on the top of our profession for that fleeting moment, only to feel it taken from us as swiftly as it came?

P.S. Coby Karl just ran past my house. I live in Phoenix.

trio,

“There are a lot of here that will disagree of me by telling that Bynum should not be in starting lineup. Why not having a vote here in the blog.’

I will predict the vote would to 10-1 to start Bynum (so far only you and jaworski and Mike T want to bench Drew) but let’s see what other bloggers say. Start him or bench him. Make your vote.

trio, with all respect, we traded for Pau to play WITH Andrew not INSTEAD of him. I know Pau has been playing great but Andrew is still the key to winning it all, trust me. With Andrew, we dominated the other elite teams like the Suns and Hornets and Jazz. With Pau, we are able to eke out victories but we lost the rebounding battles and did not play near as well defensively. Andrew solves those both of those two critical problems.

What’s funny is that we don’t have to make a choice because the plan is to start both Andrew and Pau once Andrew has recovered from his knee dislocation. Sure, Pau will probably move up to center when Drew takes a breather on the bench, with Lamar sliding up from small forward to man Pau’s power forward position. And when Pau goes to the bench, you will see Drew come back to play center. No relief for opponents.

Finally, we will probably see lots of different variations of the lineup as we match up with different teams. That is one of the strengths of our depth and the number of guys we have that can play multiple positions – Pau, Lamar, Kobe, Ronny, Vlade. But bottom line, nobody including Pau Gasol is going to keep Andrew Bynum out of the starting center position once he is healthy. Not for the next 10 years at least. That’s a fact.

Tom

Ha! Start him.

Tim,

You could be right. I'm with you in that I think the 86-87 team was a "better" team, but I'm not sure they dominated a month like the team has in February. They may have, but I'm not going to do the leg-work on that one. I'll let Elias figure that one out...

But you've got to admit those are some impressive stats!

When Andrew is ready--you start him. End of story...

Edwin Gueco,

I was just being sarcastic, really I share the same opinion as many here about Luke. I just found it funny he leads the league in "clutch" steals when the truth is he couldn't be any more non clutch.

Man, the Celts certainly look beatable tonight.
Unfortunately, the Clippers apparently have celebrated too much and are punch drunk from the party they threw after joining the BRICK LAYERS union.

It depends on whether or not PJ wants Lamar to play SF.

trio,

You have to start Bynum and Gasol together. The main reason is defense. The 2nd reason is offense.... ha ha.

Seriously, Pau will thrive at the 4. He's just too smart and skilled not to.

If there was one blemish to point out in the last 10-12 games, it's our interior defense. Beef that up, and we'll be unstoppable. By starting Bynum, we will knock out the will of teams to compete in the 1st quarter.

The thing I look forward to the most is that we should be able to keep 2 of Bynum, Pau, or Lamar on the floor throughout the entire game.

If there was a guy I'd move to the bench I would pick Lamar before Andrew.

My starting 5:
Bynum, Pau, Kobe, Sasha, Fish/Farmar

I like the spacing that this line up creates. The guards will make you pay for doubling down low, Kobe will be Kobe, and Andrew and Pau will shoot 65% playing 1:1 while piling up dimes. If you bump Sasha out for Lamar, defenses will pack in the key a bit more and make it more difficult for interior scoring.

Then Lamar comes in for Pau or Bynum and you sustain the same offensive spacing without any slip in rebounding.

A front line of Bynum, Pau, and Lamar while crazy imposing in size and athleticism may not be as effective as one with a balance of sharp shooting.

PJ must be drooling at the possibilities!

"My starting 5:
Bynum, Pau, Kobe, Sasha, Fish/Farmar"

Excellent choice! starting or not, it will end with this line up when the game is on the line. No doubt about it. Phil has been going with this line up recently the last couple of weeks, except for Odom it will be BYNUM.

Lloyd,

"P.S. Coby Karl just ran past my house. I live in Phoenix."

I don't care who you are, that's funny.

I love the dedication and work ethic. These guys are working hard but having a lot of fun.

Laker Lover,

” Charles- I always post with my name, I have no problem stating my opinion, no matter how unpopular it is.”

The reason why I posted my reply in the first place, is because it was nameless. This point is so moot on so many levels. Spiraling now….

“We will have to agree with disagree on Kobe getting kicked out's benefit to the team According to his own comments he did not get kicked out on purpose so any discussion he did this to help the team is silly dont ya think?”

You’re the one who made the comment on the first place. “So any discussion” was actually on your behalf.

Good night dude……

Lakertom

"We’ll expect your apology and admission of foolishness after we win."

Wrong again! Lakers will win alright and Odom will be traded still! Not beacuse you win it all, you don't try and improve the next year. Somehow you are stuck with your thinking, I do not undertsand why? Odom and Walton are the weakest link in this championship run, win or loose, Lakers will try to improve the situation to dfend the title and create a dynasty.

Go back to early this season and last year in this blog and you will see "THE LACK OF HEART" and the trade him please... from almost everyone including yourself. How easy you forget!

Has Odom improve since his days with the Clippers and Miami? NOPE! He still can't go right! He still does not dominate inside like a big man does, his shots is still a suspect. His talelnt are still exactly the same, rebound and run, then what? He can not even finish strong even with all his skills as a ballhandler, can't get a consistent fastbreak with him at the helm as good as a passer he is, like Magic does. Why? Odom has a weak mind. That is why his style of play is always turned off and on. Frustrations is what you will end up with him.

Lakers let go of Glen Rice after winning the frist ring in 2000. We ended up winning another consecutive two. Rick Fox and Devean George fill up the spot, as it turned out RICK FOX had a lot of heart! He played with his heart in dfense and 3 point shot, Odom much skilled than Fox, but Fox had a lot more to give! George and Odom are more of the same, on and off sstyle and never got better with all the skills and athlecism they posses.

Bottomline, you are looking at it as a nice guy Odom that can help if turned on, I on the other hand is purely looking what's best for the team to compete at the highest level consistently for years to come. Odom won't be in my plan! Just can't! I wish him well though in another team. I really do.

AK , BK and the Fellow Bloggers...

I have asked this Question many times but no one answered and K bros are ignoring/avoiding answering my question.

"HOW DID MIHM GOT A PINKY SIZED SCREW IN THE HEHL ? WAS IT SOMEHOW ACCIDENTALLY PLACED BY SURGEON IN HIS PREVIOUS SURGERY? WHATS THE DEAL?"

Tom,
if Bynum comes back in April, then what? We only have 10 games left.

To me, that's not worth rushing him back into the starting lineup.

We can not forget that the main reason we are winning is that ODOM has found a role in can succeed in.

Take that away from Odom and we will hurt the team.

I think PJ will figure out that is the key to the Lakers this season even if it means Odom off the bench or it means Bynum off the bench.

Disgruntled, Frustrated Laker Fan-

Sorry. I thought you were joking. The screw was placed in as part of a previous surgery. It's common, and it's also common for things like that to have to come out, sometimes, even after they've been inserted for medical reasons. But it's not like he stepped on a screw, or a surgeon simply left it in there and sewed up around him, or anything like that. He's having complications from some of the earlier work done on him. Again, it's an indication of how bad his injury was to begin with. The entire joint basically blew up.

BK

If I could only choose one guy, and they're both at full strength, I choose ANDREW BYNUM.

There's several reasons for that, and they don't need to be discussed because neither of these guys are going anywhere.

But having said that, a guy that I say is THE #2 on the team should definitely start. I'm not saying he has to start his very first game, but certainly within 5 games or so, he should be starting.

Pau has a game that can move to the 4. He had stretch the defense. Drive to the hole. Pass from the high post... he's great there.

On the defensive end, he's not the best low post defender, but the guy can block a last second Smush Parker jump shot, that much I know for fact... I say you must have Pau & Socks in the line-up at the same time... then PJ will stagger the substitutions so that we don't get the complete bench mob (Farmar, Sasha, Luke, Ronnie, MBenga)... there will always be a Pau or Bynum out there, but that's something to debate, not if he'll start or not (because if he doesn't, Jim Buss will start throwing his weight around again and NO ONE, not even the Dr. wants to see that happen again).

Staples24,
Why must you talk so reckless.

If we win the championship this year, Odom will have played a major role in all phases: scoring, rebounding, defense, passing.

Bynum isnt going to be 100% this year. So the onus will be primarily on Odom to do what he has been doing the last 10 games.

If Odom keeps averaging crazy #s (what like 18 pts, 11 boards, 5 ASTS), why in the hell would you knot keep him?

Glen Rice is a bad comparison for your argument. All he did was shoot a low % (43), didnt rebound (4.3rpg), be a defensive liability (thus we needed Fox in crunch times), and score (16ppg).

If all Lamar did was score, we would replace him in next year in a heartbeat.

BUT DAMN IT, dont you know Odom play C and PF for us?!!! He plays D, rebounds, and scores.

STOP HATING ON ODOM.

How can you be a laker fan and not acknowledge him balling right now?

If we win Odom will be the key. And thus, Odom will have proved his worthiness.

Ben Goldberg,

I know you are being sarcastic.

Stats will count the number of attempts based on a block of time frame. So if you compare Kobe's stats or Fisher's, it will be lower because they play longer. Now does it give any story? yes it is just a stat. This is like comparing a starting and a relief pitcher, their ERA differ and don't mean anything in comparison.

Mathematics may be an exact science but you still need a human mind to interpret the significance of those numbers.
What matters most, is that Lakers will be ahead when the buzzer sounds at the end of 4th Q. haha!
Best regards.

Andrew starts when he's 1000 percent healthy. Good night.

Hi LakerTom,

"trio, with all respect, we traded for Pau to play WITH Andrew not INSTEAD of him. I know Pau has been playing great but Andrew is still the key to winning it all, trust me. "
My opinion is we get Pau to play with Kobe and to co-exist with Bynum..

Anyway, please don't get me wrong for my vote, I'm not against Bynum's. I'm a fan. I even call him the Atomic Bomb(A-bomb) that surprise everyone in the League including McHale..

My Vote of putting Bynum in 2nd unit is only good for this season/or during the first round of the playoff. I agree that Bynum is badly needed for us to be more dominant in both end of the floor. But my question is when he's back from injury, are we letting him to be in the starting lineup for the remaining games of the season? more or less 10 games for him to get tune and I think it isn't good enough for him to get back of what he was before he got injured. So my takes is not let him go to the starting lineup yet. But I may force to change my vote if we lost 5 games before Bynum comes. I don't care if he's not 100%, he'll take the starting lineup as a Center and Gasol as the PF(as Ron said he's natural PF)..

Korey,

So if I hear you correctly....

Just like how Bynum had to come off the bench for a long time because Kwame hurt us less when he started and because Kwame could not play the 4 to save his life, is the same reason why Bynum won't start this time around?? Except now it will be because Lamar cannot play the 3?

Well then #$#$#! Let's get some versatile players in there. Enough of this "I can't play that position or come off the bench"...

In other words, I'm not buying it. Yeah, Lamar is a better 4 than he is a 3, but if he can't hack it at the 3, do you REALLY think the Lakers will just be content letting an All-Star and a franchise player come off the bench?

10 games or not... Bynum WILL start before the playoffs start. Maybe it will be the 5th game, maybe it will be the 10th game, but he will start and Lamar will get to try out his "natural" position at the 3.

If Lamar works on his jumper and continues to work on moving WITHOUT the ball, then he'll be okay whether he's at the 4 or the 3. If Lamar does not get himself ready, then yep, his game may suffer big... but I'm putting my faith in the guy to put in some extra time right now to work those areas of his game.

A little work on his perimeter defense would help too.

Korey,

"To me, that's not worth rushing him back into the starting lineup."

You are my Man!!!!! This is what I believe.. Thanks Dude!!

Tom, I forgot to thank you for putting my Name beside jaworski and Mike T.. I love these two guys..

On the subject of Bynum, I think the answer depends on when he actually returns, and how the team performs until he does.

If the Lakers run the table with Gasol, Andrew should come off the bench. Why break up the rhythm of the team?

If Andrew comes back ten games before the end of the regular season, that may be time enough to work him back in as a starter. Any less than that and because of conditioning, he might be better served coming off the bench. Until Kwame got hurt at the beginning of the season, Andrew was hard-pressed to play 33 minutes.

Andrew proved before his injury that he was the future of the team. He can return to his starter's role next season if he helps this team get to the post-season by coming off the bench.

trio:

OK. I still don't agree unless you are saying that Drew comes off the bench only until he is 100%. Even then, Drew at 90% and concentrating on just the boards and defense is going to be a key to Lakers winning it all. As great an addition as Pau is, we need Drew for defense and rebounding. We lost the boards in the last 2 games.

Bottom line, the Lakers will make the right decision and Phil will work it out. The front line of Drew, Pau, and Lamar with Kobe and Fish in the backcourt will be the best starting lineup in the league. And since our backup center will be Pau when Drew rests and our bench is the NBA's best, we'll be unstoppable.

Tom

Tim,

"...there will always be a Pau or Bynum out there'"

Man, I have been trying to make that point for a week now but you captured it better. The fact that we will have a star at center 48 minutes a game almost excites me as much as the thought of Drew and Lamar playing at the same time.

I mean, no matter who else is on the floor, they will always have a star quality big man to pitch it and to help out on defense. 48 minutes per game!

Great post as usual, Tim.

Tom

"In other words, I'm not buying it. Yeah, Lamar is a better 4 than he is a 3, but if he can't hack it at the 3, do you REALLY think the Lakers will just be content letting an All-Star and a franchise player come off the bench?"

HAHAHA! HAHAHA! Korey Wake up dude!

ANDREW BYUNM is an ALL-STAR in this league. They all come back starting right away, because the sooner they get back the better for the team. Stop making excuses for Lamar! Tell me you did not want that star in his head erased when he was playing all crappy? Dang!

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Staples and LakerTom,

You two are talking about Lamar and luxury tax, here is article from Kevin Ding.

Farmar key part of the Lakers' future

KEVIN DING
Register columnist

Lamar Odom set an NBA record for the longest streak of postgame singing in the shower with his performance late Sunday night in Seattle. Jordan Farmar was fully capable as Odom's backup singer. These Lakers are indeed a glee club now.

And even though they have everything to play for in these coming months, there's more: They're going to have everything to play for in these comingyears.

That's the beauty of the Lakers' makeover – unlike Phoenix's facelift (Shaquille O'Neal, 36 next week) and Dallas' Botox injection (Jason Kidd, 35 next month). Kobe Bryant is 29, Pau Gasol is 27, Andrew Bynum is 20 and Farmar is 21. Yes, Farmar very much merits mention in that line, because the day is most surely coming when Farmar is more valuable to the Lakers than Odom.

Excising Odom might wind up the solution to the Lakers' biggest future problem, if Jerry Buss chooses to view it as a problem: a hefty luxury-tax hit looming in the 2009-10 season. Future payroll was why so many other NBA owners didn't want to trade nothing (a big, expiring contract such as Kwame Brown's) for something (a big, non-expiring contract such as Gasol's).

Although exactly how high the pile of money goes will be a point of offseason contention, Bynum will need that computer he built to count all the zeroes on the contract extension he's getting. It will kick in after next season – and the easiest way to offset that jump in Bynum's salary will be to let Odom's contract expire after next season. That's a tough move to make if you're contending for or already winning championships, because Odom, 28, is a certainly part of the Lakers' uncommon crew of happy-to-share big men.

Perhaps you get Odom to take a major pay cut from the $14.3 million he's getting next season if he's – let's put it in the terms of one of Odom's all-time favorite bands – not the Lakers' main source of Earth (Bynum), Wind (Gasol) or Fire (Bryant) anymore. Or Trevor Ariza might well be ready to do Odom's job by then, just with more of a defensive flair. Or with guard Sasha Vujacic keeps growing this fast, Bryant might slide over to be the full-time small forward. There are fat-contract options Luke Walton and Vladimir Radmanovic who can play Odom's positions, too.

This is not meant to rain on Odom's parade – although he's such a sweet soul that he'd probably try to sing then, too – because he has been playing beautifully since Gasol's arrival. Odom is dominating the boards and moving aggressively without the ball. And it's quite possible the Lakers will see and appreciate that is he's better at helping a great team than carrying a good team.

Yet this season's leadership infusion via Derek Fisher, the sudden seriousness brought by Bynum and now the passion of Gasol have all crystallized what Odom continues to lack. The only three-game losing streak of the season came after Bynum got hurt, before Gasol came over and when Bryant came to Phil Jackson to note how hunched over Odom looked from shouldering the pressure.

"People have always wanted him, and still want him, to be more offensive-minded -- be Kobe's sidekick," Fisher said. "He's just a team guy."

It turns out the Lakers took away Odom's captaincy, knocked him down the pecking order this season and wound up a whole lot better. That's because as much as the Lakers have fundamentally upgraded their talent level, they've made this jump also because they finally have melded an entire team's greater mentality with Bryant's tenacity.

Which brings us from Odom back to Farmar, whose role in all this has been sorely underrated. Just like Fisher, Farmar has the fire – and it's going to be blazing as the Lakers move forward from San Antonio, Phoenix and Dallas and begin new battles with Utah, New Orleans and Portland.

The Lakers' two most improved players this season have been Bynum and Farmar, without a doubt. Bynum's growth has been well chronicled. Few remember Farmar got so good after being challenged with the additions of Fisher and Javaris Crittenton that the Lakers changed the whole offense for him, wanting to tap into his drive to bring more.

Asked about being slighted in the roster retooling after last season, Farmar volunteered a comparison to Bryant, saying: "That was just another challenge put in front of me that I had to respond to; I love that. That's what I'm built for. I see the same thing every day with Kobe. Any situation that comes in the world, he takes it as a challenge and tries to make the most of it."

That mindset has taken over a team that got hurt again this season but this time didn't cry when mommy didn't kiss it.

And about the prospect of the Lakers dominating for years, Farmar does not shy away. He just addresses it while maintaining proper perspective."Absolutely, for the long haul, this team seems great," he said. "We're looking forward to it, but we're trying really to stay in the moment. We have a chance to be very special, but it starts with now."

"If Lamar works on his jumper and continues to work on moving WITHOUT the ball, then he'll be okay whether he's at the 4 or the 3. If Lamar does not get himself ready, then yep, his game may suffer big... but I'm putting my faith in the guy to put in some extra time right now to work those areas of his game.

A little work on his perimeter defense would help too."

I wish it could happen for the sake of the Lakers, but the truth is in four years it has NOT. Here comes frustration just like I said it, don't ask a teddy bear to be a fox? Like a RICK FOX! It will never happen!

When Bynum comes back, Odom will turn it ___? Three letter word and starts with an o and ends with a f, can you guess it?

Tim-4-Show,
"Just like how Bynum had to come off the bench for a long time because Kwame hurt us less when he started and because Kwame could not play the 4 to save his life, is the same reason why Bynum won't start this time around?? Except now it will be because Lamar cannot play the 3?"

You gotta open your mind up 1st man. The reason the Kwame thing didnt work was #1 KWAME SUCKS. The reasoning is different because Kwame at his best is not close to Odom at his best. Odom at his best is 17 pts, 12 brds, and 5 assists. That is not something you give up. If Odom can't play the 3, then yea, birng Bynum off the bench because you keep a PLAYER THAT IS VERY PRODUCTIVE IN A CERTAIN ROLE IN THAT ROLE.

Bynum if any knows how to come off the bench anyway. It's not like coming off the bench means you play 10 mins a game. Bynum will play plenty of mins regardless, but the majority of minutes I feel for Odom needs to be at the 4.

HOW CAN BYNUM MISS 3/4 MONTHS and immediately return to the best basketball of his life? How is he going to get there with 10 games MAAAAAAYBE before the playoffs? Ease Bynum back in, he can still play 25-30 MINS a game.

We dont know what we are going to get from Bynum when he comes back, BUT we do know what Odom will do if left in his role.

Oh and since when is Bynum a all-star? He's NOT! And Bynum has 10 more years of his Laker career to start.

It's not about egos but it's about helping the team. If Bynum is 100% he will probably start. That's fine. But how can there NOT be rust?

You want to bring Odom off the bench? FINE. Just when you do play him at the 4 if you want consistent production. Stop complaining about him getting better because he is what he is this year and you have to ACCOMODATE the players you have and put them in the BEST POSITION to win this year.

PERSONNEL issues are over.

AND YES, if ODOM and BYNUM are both full strength then play Bynum.

But what makes anyone think Bynum will be Bynum his 1st game back?

And when Bynum is full strength, the best might be to pull Odom off the bench to preserve his role.

YOU GUYS KNOW ODOM IS INCONSISTENT IN ANY OTHER ROLE!

If you change it, you risk him being inconsistent in the playoffs.
If you keep him comfortable, you have a borderline all-star player at your disposable.

Which one do you want? REally!

He was asked to be Scottie Pippen, got lost! Can you try to be Rick Fox, can't do it, too tough of an enforcer. How about just being Lamar Odom, oh yeah, I can do that. Lamar Odom basketball, just playing loose you know?

Lamar how about FOCUS shooting the ball well and WILL going aggresive to the hoop? Nah! That's not my game. I am versatile, I'll just play my game and give the liitle things you don't see much.

When you watch the game, who is tougher Gasol or Odom? Bynum or Odom? Pippen or Odom? Fox or Odom? Sasha or Odom? Exactly, that's why Bynum and Gasol are ALL-STARS and should start everytime.

LAMAR should stay at 4 coming off the bench when Bynum returns atleast until he is traded next season, or ODOM will suffer the consequences at 3.

FARMAR KEY PART OF THE LAKERS' FUTURE
by Kevin Ding for OCRegister.com
http://www.ocregister.com/column/odom-lakers-farmar-
1987368-season-bynum

Man, I love this guy’s writing. This is who the L.A. Times should get to cover the Lakers. Excellent and insightful article looking in depth at both Farmar’s and Lamar’s situations. Nice reference to the fact that Farmar was the big reason the Lakers opened up their transition offense this year and how he and Bynum are the two most improved players on the team – Sasha, Ronny, and Vlade notwithstanding. Kevin also talks about how the front office has surrounded Kobe with guys with his grit and demeanor. I loved his Earth (Bynum), Wind (Gasol) or Fire (Bryant) connection for the Lakers big three. Earth, Wind, and Fire. Check it out. Kevin Ding delivers.

Tom

Here is a podcast of Phil Jackson on Loose Cannons 570 AM today - Very Interesting....click on Phil & listen

http://www.am570radio.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=Interviews.xml

Andrew Bynum should not dress up if NOT healthy. If he dresses up that means he is healthy and the sooner he gets back in his rythm the better and that's why he should start. HIs confidence level has to be jump started it won't happen sitting in the bench. ASK Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and he will tell you, the BIG MAN should start right away.

Anybody watch the TOP GUN movie. Maverick was asked to fly and kept flying right after he was acquitted from the JAG court. He then was selected to be the WINGMAN for Iceman, and he delivered. Anybody wants to hear the applause when they got back to the ship? STAPLES CENTER will give the same thing to BYNUM, and it will be thunderous. It will ignite a LAKERS run to the NBA playoffs and a confidence like no other will bring them the NBA RING!

and some of you folks wants to start who? Lamar?! Are you guys kidding me? Some of you are still in the KWAME/SMUSH era? get real!

Bynum will be back! He holds the key to the Championship!!!!

Korey,

There's no point in arguing with Staples 24. We all know some people on this blog only care about furthering their agendas. Laker Lover is interested in ripping Kobe, Staples 24 wants Odom traded at all costs and Mike T has an unnatural obsession with Kwame Brown.

"And when Bynum is full strength, the best might be to pull Odom off the bench to preserve his role."

"YOU GUYS KNOW ODOM IS INCONSISTENT IN ANY OTHER ROLE!"

"If you change it, you risk him being inconsistent in the playoffs."

That's a good first step towards reality! HAHAHA! You are catching on, keep it up little brother.

"AND YES, if ODOM and BYNUM are both full strength then play Bynum.

But what makes anyone think Bynum will be Bynum his 1st game back?

And when Bynum is full strength, the best might be to pull Odom off the bench to preserve his role.

YOU GUYS KNOW ODOM IS INCONSISTENT IN ANY OTHER ROLE!

If you change it, you risk him being inconsistent in the playoffs.
If you keep him comfortable, you have a borderline all-star player at your disposable."

Korey BABY! You're a funny guy!!! I can't stop laughing at you! HAHAHA! HAHAHA! You crack me up!!!! Either you are so plain stupid or your just one funny kid.

"Which one do you want? REally!" HAHAHAHAHA!
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PHIL JACKSON INTERVIEW WITH LOSE CANNONS..

Edwin,

That was a great interview. Worth downloading for sure. Phil talked about the Pistons beating the Suns and mentioned how the Pistons and Rasheed always played Shaq tough. Some nice words about Kobe playing the best ball he has seen since 2002 and about how Kobe has been a great leader. He also talked about how they hope to get Ariza back the last week of April and expect that with just a few games to get into game shape that Ariza will be a big help to the defense in the playoffs.

Tom

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"Asked about being slighted in the roster retooling after last season, Farmar volunteered a comparison to Bryant, saying: "That was just another challenge put in front of me that I had to respond to; I love that. That's what I'm built for. I see the same thing every day with Kobe. Any situation that comes in the world, he takes it as a challenge and tries to make the most of it."

How does Odom fits in this mindset? Odom really is from teh Kwame/Smush era mindset. Let's move on!

>>>then those STATS may be true but when the game is close
>>>against elite teams, we have been burned before, thank you
>>>we have now Ariza and...

Oh, you mean like the game against the Cavaliers in Cleveland. I
suggest you review the play-by-play for that game. Here's a link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=271220005

Specifically, jump to the 3rd quarter. In the third quarter, Luke was
a big contributor in building the lead from 2 points to 9 points. Luke
made a couple of shots and played decent defense on LeBron.

Then Ariza came in to replace Luke with 2:47 left in the 3rd quarter.
Ariza commits two turnovers, two fouls, and bricks a shot. The
Cavs turn a 9 point Laker lead into a 5 point Cavalier lead with
LeBron sitting on the bench for most of that time. Ariza wasn't
the only one playing bad, but he certainly played bad.

3 minutes into the 4th Kobe replaced Ariza to stop the bleeding.
A fourteen point turnaround in 5 minutes of game time. Four
minutes later, Luke checks back in. By that point, Kobe has tied
the game.

With 3:57 left, Luke follows his own shot for a putback that gives
the Lakers the lead at 90-88. It was a clutch shot. It was also
the last points the Lakers would score. From there to the end
Fisher shoots 0-for-3, Kobe shoots 0-for-3, and Luke and Lamar
each miss a shot.

But the game wasn't lost in the last 4 minutes. It was lost when
Ariza and the other backups couldn't hold the 9 point lead that
Kobe and Luke and the other starters built in the 3rd quarter.

There. That wasn't statistics. That was a play-by-play account
of a game that was lost because Luke went out and his replacement
was ineffective.

Yes, there are games where Luke has failed as well. The end
of the second Cleveland game, where he tried to pass back to
Kobe rather than shooting comes to mind. But you seem to have
it in your head that somehow Luke is to blame for every big loss
by the Lakers this season, and that's just patently false. My
guess is that you just want a scapegoat, and it couldn't POSsibly
be that Kobe shot badly in the first game against Cleveland or
that Fisher shot badly in the second game against Cleveland or
that Ariza played poorly in the one game he played against
Cleveland, so the loss must be Luke's fault, since he didn't get a
shot off at the end.

Luke's defense is better than Radmanovic's and his offense is
better than Ariza's. I didn't make up the stats about performing
in the clutch, and in fact, I was a bit surprised that Luke was
best on the Lakers in ANY of those stats, but he was.

So clearly, THAT is what PJ sees in Luke and why he puts him
on the floor at the end of close games. Because Luke has come
through for the Lakers (in everything except scoring) in those
situations.

You know, statistically there's an extremely good chance that
the sun will rise tomorrow. You can deny statistics all you want,
but that doesn't make them false.

 
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