Last stop for nine games

Ship Bynum's butt out for Kidd!

Good morning. Soory bout the passionate post against the Cav's Fan fellas and ladies.

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(JANUARY 29, 2008) TODAY IS: I LOVE NEW YORK DAY
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The Force is in balance and the ball is in Jason Kidd’s hands.
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* ISIAH : 1 Chapter 1 Thou shalt not piss off KOBE NEW YORK
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ROLL CALL:
(1) FAITH, (2) BOB, MIKE T. TALIQ, EDWIN GUECO, KEIFO, WOLF, CLEON,
VI LakerFan, Comptons_FINEST, VMAN, TIM-4-SHOW, LakerTom,, Rick Friedman
tha_SHOW, Smooth D, JCool, WOW, The D., VMAN, FKILLAH, CHARLES
utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER, EXHELODRVR, ) JANAYA, GENERIC_ONE
EastCoastJessie, Mamba24Fan4Life, FanofMamba, WhiteMamba24 HmrHed,
BlackMamba24, AfroJoe, LakerTRUTH, Kiwi, Peace, David Whang, ELLE
HOBBITMAGE, idiot, You Ever Notice?, FEARLESS WHACK JOB, Gino, J.J.
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TheLakeShow, WesJoeNixon, BAYWOOD, SBPIMP, CaliKing, Thirty2, DaxMDD
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Kinglakernidas, HUBBIT, BronxLakerFan, RespectMyAuthorith, Hariyahu, LakerLass
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CORNER J., WiZo, MagicShaq, HugoBoss, RDLEE, RealityBites, LakerLarry, Jay Jay
LakerLifer, Tripgame3, SIXONEZERO, Houstion Laker, Todd Battles, LakerDawg,
JoninJAPAN(INCANADA), LT Laker Fan, Mainor, East Nyboer, Long Live Chick,
JEFF, Andy B. SwanWorld, Purple&Gold_4EVA, Benny Blanca, HAL9000
Tim in Sydney, LakerBake, JMan, AnyOneMouse, 10milliondollarZen, SHIVA, Troy,
Mfeige, RDANEEL, PHIL JACKSON, , Marc Gasol, Sun Yue, Ronny Turiaf,
V. RADMANOVIC, Jordan Farmar, LUKE WALTON, ANDREW BYNUM, COBY KARL,
Trevor Ariza, Chris MihmJarvis Critterton, LarryFulcher, Sasha Vujacic, TEX WINTER

AND NOW YOUR STARTING LINEUP FOR THE 14 TIME WORLD CHAMPION LA LAKERS
At center number 54 Kwame “fist of fury Brown
At forward number 4 LUKE WALTON
At forward number 7 LAMAR ODOM
At guard number 2 DEREK FISHER
At guard number 24 KOOOBEEEEE BRYYYANTTTTTT

ALL TOGETHER NOW:
WE ARE THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS THE WINNERS OF 14 NBA TITLES
THE TEAM WITH THE BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN NBA HISTORY
THE HOME OF WILT, KAREEM, GEORGE MIKAN, SHAQ, MAGIC, KOBE,
ELGIN BAYLOR, THE LOGO(JERRY WEST), PAT RILEY, JAMES WORTHY,
SILK, KWAME “ The Glove “ BROWN, SMUSH “ No Parking” PARKER AND
COACHED BY THE 9 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON
AND NO ONE WILL EVER DIVIDE OR CONQUER US

Did the Lakers officially sign Mbenga to another 10 day contract yet? I'm not overly impressed with the guy but if it's the best we can do since Webber didn't want to sign a couple of 10 day deals, then I guess it's what we gotta do.

Refreshing Roll Call Mamba!

Charles,
"Refreshing Roll Call Mamba!"

Awww Charles, you are too kind. Good morning to you sir and Peace!

Okay... I was a little off on last games prediction, but...

Lakers by 13 tonight!

GO LAKE SHOW!!

LIGHTS OUT!!!

Hey Mamba... you da man!!!

Good Morning

I'm getting alot of feedback about my opinion on trading Farmar if necessary to NJ for Kidd. Some replies have been...
1. Farmar is our point guard of the future
2. Kidd is to old
3. Kidd will handcuff us for years because of his salary
4. Kidd is not a good fit in the Triangle offense

All are valid points, but my response to these arguments are...
1. Haven't all the experts said that Critter will be our point guard of the future? This guy has it all. Great ball handling skills, great jumper, he has size, and he has Kobe moves. Now I know he has looked shaky, but you can tell he trying to hard, I believe all he needs is to settle down when he gets (if he gets) another oppurtunity to play. Also, if anyone has really watched him play you can see that he's gonna be a stud.
2. Thats what they sasid about Nash
3. His contract is up next year, worst case scenario He and Kobe both leave after next year and we have 40+ million to play with. Kidd might even settle for less if an extension is offered if he is really wants a ring.
4. Tough one to argue, in the Triangle he won't dominate the ball ala Nash or Paul, Phil would really have to adjust, then again maybe the Triangle won't be a problem for Kidd to adjust to.

Just my take on the matter, oh, and one more thing...
KOBE WANTS HIM
and please don't post back and say
Well Kobe also wanted to trade Bynum so his opinion means squat

I think Kobe knows a thing or two about talent

Keifo,
"Okay... I was a little off on last games prediction, but...Lakers by 13 tonight!

KEIFOOOOOO! Don't worry about it. With your record you are
entitled to be off now and then. Besides I lied. I bet the rent but not
the house. LOL!

Anyone interested in a LO, Crit & Brown for Kidd? Along with that to beef up the front court...ship Sasha to Indy for the likes of David Harrison (this move is just for size...we no longer need Sasha since Farmar & Fish are doing so well)

Even if we can't get Kidd...why aren't we looking to trade Sasha for some big men help...I'm sure there are some teams out there that could use a hybrid gard who shoots the Trey!!! Does anyone know why ere not looking at this as an option???

Mamba is the man!

The roll call and the "WE ARE THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS THE WINNERS OF 14 NBA TITLES.

That is the best. When everyone is not so negative and on their "Virtual GM" couch, this blog is not half bad.

and I noticed we have a comedian who suggested trading Bynum for Kidd??

Funny. (well, not really)

Anyways guys, let's hang in there and patiently wait for our big to come back and lets KILL THE WEST!!

The "Funs" will be unhappy to see us this year. We are stronger, smarter, and want redemption.

janaya

You Ever Notice,
"3. His contract is up next year, worst case scenario He and Kobe both leave after next year and
we have 40+ million to play with. Kidd might even settle for less if an extension is offered if he is really wants a ring."

That cinches it! I'm on board!
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(02) MAMBA24 - BallBoy

Still no deals on the blog that would convince me to make a deal for Kidd.

As far as any trade that could happen, Kwame would be the likely one to be traded if not for the injury to Bynum.

It's a little tricky, because whoever Kwame is traded for, the Lakers need a big in return.

I kind of feel Mitch will stand pat and hope for the best with Kwame playing and improving some. (The great Mike T. experiment) I honestly think Kwame's game will improve and he will be a help as back up to Drewski in the playoffs.

The only move might be a FA pik up when teams start to release players and a vet wants to come to the Lakers. We will have to wait and see what our needs are and if any injuries become signifigant, like maybe Luke's ankle going completely south on him and Ariza not being able to come back. Then we would need a body at the 3.

As Mitch said, its hard to add somebody late in our season because of the learning curve.

If that's the case, then Mitch has nothing to do for the rest of the season, except to watch the games, eat some popcorn, and become a fan.

Just keep the team the way it is!!!!!

No trades!!!

We'll be fine!!!

Kidd... PLEASE!!!

JANAYA Thanks, but I'm strictly a behind the scenes guy. Let's keep
the spotlight focused where it should be. Where is that you ask?
On the FREAKIN LA LAKERS, who this year when our Big returns, will
be the WINNER OF 15 NBA TITLES!

Mamba24 - put me on the trade for Kidd bandwagon

KEIFO,
"Just keep the team the way it is!!!!! No trades!!! We'll be fine!!! Kidd... PLEASE!!! "
OK YOU CONVINCED ME!
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The “Meet The Spartans” award for Obviously Terrible Thing:

Lakers: Kwame Brown.He’s a good defensive center, but his offense could be glibly described as “not so good.” Oh, and the Lakers are 17.4 points per 100 possessions worse with him on the floor.

17.4 points per 100 possessions worse!!! Are you freaking kidding me? God, I knew he was bad but that is ridiculous.

Trade him for a lump of coal and be done with it now!!!!

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Here is a very telling +/- stat from the last 10 games:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22007&split=22&team=Lakers

Bynum, Turiaf, Kobe at top.
Kwame and Luke bringing up the rear

point differential from Kwame to Bynum= 166
point differential from Kwame to Turiaf= 113
point differential from Luke to Ariza= 60

Kwame+Luke+Vlad Rad+pick for Kidd!
(I know it's a pipe dream but I got a feeling some other team is gonna get him for nothing)

if Kwame Brown sucks then what does that make Jerome James? LOL! At least we don't have Jerome James, Starbury, Randolph Morris AND Zach Randolph!!! Talk about Dummies, Inc... why smoke cancer sticks when you can surround yourself with them!!!

Wouldn't it be horrible if we got Jerome James? First, he would put up 3 points/3 rebounds per game before he got injured, then... he would destroy Bynum's attitude... then, he would destroy everybody else's attitude... even Kobe would stop working out...

Now you're talking Mamba!!!

We'll be fine... trust me!!

Laker Lover,

I'd love to grab Corey Maggette from the Clips. That'd definitely fill the need for a third scorer (who could also step up as a second scorer if needed) and he's very strong defensively.

Corey Maggette has a player option for next season. He doesn't get along with Mike Dunleavy does anyone think there's a chance he'd switch locker rooms? Or maybe we could nab him in a sign and trade.

Probably won't happen though. We've got too many SFs as it is.

I agree with AN1 - there aren't any workable Kidd scenarios. Personally, I think the guy's awesome but we'd Ihave to gut the ranks of our already depleted bigs. Kidd makes nearly 20m. The only major salary pieces we have to trade are Kwame and L.O.. Thorn's on record as wanting a combination of expiring contracts, young bonifide talent and draft picks. So what kind of deal can we make? Even if Thorn WERE to accept a package along the lines of Kwame, Vlad, Luke, Farmer and draft picks, where would that leave us? Drew is out, Trevor is out and Mihm may or may not be able to come back at some point soon. We simply cannnot expect Turief and DJ to shoulder all the center responsibility. We just have to tough it out with the guys we have. A win tonight will bolster everyone's spirits. I'd love to see the euro twins getting nothing but net tonight - we need to spread the floor, move the ball, take some pressure off Kwame. Go Lakers!

Great passage from article

–Lamar Odom will never be a second scoring option on anyone‘s team. Plus, he can’t shoot from the outside or make a basket when it matters. For all that length and athleticism, he’s often just a big tease, promising much, delivering less, disappointing often. When Bynum was healthy, Lamar was fine as a third or fourth option. Just don’t rely on him to play a major role. Truth is, he disappears so often, he makes Houdini look like a magician who was only good enough to work birthday parties and Bar Mitzvahs. By now, Lamar’s story is so old and familiar, it almost writes itself.

why the hell would we trade for Kidd? We already have two more than satisfactory point guards in Fisher (the answer for this and next season) and Farmar (the future). Not to mention we also have Critter, the long term future. We are okay right now, no need to make a trade and mess things up. We can't panic just because we are hurt, we will do fine once Bynumite comes back.

Keifo,
"We'll be fine... trust me!!"

IN GOD and KEIFO I trust. LOL! GO LAKESHOW!

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(03) GABE - Backup

This Trade works!!

Odom, Brown for Zach Randolf, David Lee and Malik Rose
or
Odom, Brown for Jason KIdd, Magloire and Sean Williams

Laker Lover

I dont know what his attitude is but he would be a HUGE improvement over the Fisher-Farmar combo. The Lakers need to decide if they want to try to win a championship this year or play for the future. A starting lineup with Luke and Fisher is not championship caliber- period. Its amazing Phil can think otherwise. Do you really think be believes this starting 5 can win consistently in the NBA against good teams?

Amen, Word, Thats the facts Jack, You got it Toyota

Xodus

Kidd is a marginal upgrade over Farmar and Fish. Kidd is a horrendous shooter, averaging 36% from the field, which in our offense just isn't going to work. He's also turning the ball over more than ever averaging nearly 4 TOs a game. And in our offense we don't need a point guard that's going to go out and create and monopolize the ball. Kobe's going to do that from time to time anyway when we need offense.

You have got to be kidding "a marginal upgrade" ...
Does that mean Farmar and Fish are just a heartbeat away form starting on the olympic team? Quite a statement, and the last time Iooked Farmar was shooting only 40% from the field and Fish only goes on a crazy shooting streak once every 6 games
Last observation how do you think Farmar and Fish stack up against Billips and Hamilton, well remember the Finals against Detroit? Fish a non factor, and I doubt Farmar would have much better success.
Kidd's got size and is a good defender

Thanks Mamba, The Kidd Yes or No Debate has many interesting angles

Why should we trade J Kidd? Our most glaring problem when Drew is out our frontcourt, not a PG. We getting nothing or almost nothing from 3 positions, SF, PF and C read Luke, Lamar and Kwame), why in the world we will give up so much in order to shore up position which is Ok for now?

Lamar odom
chris mihm
kwame brown
1st and 2nd in 2008 (top 3 protected)
1st in 2010 (lottery protected)

for

Darko
Gasol
cardinal . . . .

makes sense for everyone . . . still driving the bus, if this wasnt the "No Balls Association" people would get things like this done.

Still driving the bus, makes sens

Mamba 24
Why you jump ship?
I could understand if a better trade scenario came along but to join the "Don't do a thing, we'll be fine" bandwagon?
Now I hope we don't do a thing, No I take that back. If we don't do a thing we can not win a championship with Fish and Farmar.
See my post above reply to Xodus
Then come back to the force

You Ever Notice,
"Thanks Mamba, The Kidd Yes or No Debate has many interesting angles"

I agree and my pleasure! I must remain the devils advocate with a slight bias when it comes to Kobe but,I learned quite a lot from you today and for that I thank you. As always

http://tinyurl.com/2p4xko

the aforementioned trade, works on trade machine . . . helps everybody . . .

but wont get done :(

No Kidding

NO, Botsoy. BAD Trades. Lamar is doing fine. As long as he drives to the hole, he's fine. I know some people love to get on him. but he can do things few in the League can do. He's never going to be the #2 GO TO guy that everyone wants him to be, but he can't be stopped driving, especially left (which makes him even tougher to defend), he's a great rebounder, and passer. His D is lacking at times, but he does too much.

Randolph & Lee??? That was a joke, right? Don't get too sold on Zach's 20 & 10. It's a worthless 20 & 10.

I'm in the Trade for Jason Kidd now!

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(03) GABE - Backup

YOU EVER NOTICE,

Get your stats right. Farmar is shooting 49% from the field this season and 40% from the three-point line. And Fish is shooting 47% from the field and 43% from the three-point line. And I'm not saying that Fish and Farmar INDIVIDUALLY are better than Kidd, but I'll take what they provide as a duo over what Kidd is bringing this season, especially when you consider the offense that we play in.

One reason why the Nets have underachieved this season is because Kidd is having one of his worst seasons. Like I said he's only shooting 36% from the field and turning it over nearly 4 times a game. That's a lot of lost possessions coming from one guy, especially when you're a slow paced, low scoring team like the Nets.

Kidd doesn't give us anything we need. And if the price is giving up a good young player like Farmar and one of the few big men we have left in Kwame and Vlad, it's not worth it.

And no Farmar and Fish aren't better than Billups and Hamilton. And that's largely because Billups, THIS SEASON (I want to make a point of that), has been a better all around player than Kidd.

I don't understand why everyone is trying to trade for Kidd??

We go into a little slump and everyone panics!!

Relax!!!!!!!

I'd rather go through a slump now, instead of later.

Take it easy people... please!

YOU EVER NOTICE,
"Mamba 24 Why you jump ship? Come Back to the Force"

Sorry UEVER but my partner in crime Keifo is very seldom wrong so
I go with Keifo. But you got some hell of valid points. I just for ince would
like to see what this team could really do when healthy. I think we got something here
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(03) J.C. - Future Agent
(04) ALEXINNH017 - KIDD'S stunt double
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(03) GABE - Backup
(04) Guity - Luxury Tax specialist

The best we can do??? Me and my boy Gary are just a watin for our phone call from Phil.

One more time - HOW the J KIDD will improve LO, Luke and Kwame. We are not playing run and gun offense and shoting % of J Kidd even worse than Farmar or Fish. We have depleted roster and now we need to trade 3 or 4 players to get Kidd? No Kidd, Mamba put me on bandwagon to keep roster as it is now.

Kidd is the worst shooter in the league (not counting the Shaqs/Kwames). He would be horrible for the Lakers. The triangle needs guys who can shoot from the outside. Kidd is not one who can do that, and I'm pretty sure he won't be getting better.

Kidd is not the answer, and the Lakers don't need him, and should not even think about it. Fish/Farmar produce just fine at the PG position--make their shots, play tough D, get some assists, understand where to be on the court in the triangle, etc.

The Lakers just need to snap back, loss of Bynum tossed them for a loop. They were winning just fine at the beginning of the season without Bynum starting, and producing inconsistently. (He took off when Kwame went down.) Winning without Bynum shouldn't be impossible, it's just they got used to having him... obviously they're better with Bynum, but they shouldn't be struggling this hard to win... the last 3 games all should've been finished off...

I think Luke walton is a big goofy knuklehead like his father Bill and he is letting his pride get in his way and he needs to own up to the laker coaching staff that his ankle injury is screwing him,and he is far from a great white hope and if he wasnt bill waltons boy i dont think he be in the NBA thats why i will never apoligise to cup-cake,cup-cake has made to many lame moves and the bynum thing is more of a Jimmy buss decision.

We just need are center back and the triangle allows the rest of the team to be effective on offense. They start having fun and start to play defense too. Suddenly we are winning again and YOUNG and on a roll. Kid is no answer for us. A healthy Bynum is.
P.S. Luke, however, must go.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?
players=429~2801~981~3002~1016~2027&teams=
13~13~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=

It's just funny how everyone swtiches up during crisis. All we need to do is get healthy. Lamar isn't the problem. I feel Luke is a problem. Especially with Kwame on the floor with him at the same time. Kwame takes awayfrom Luke passing strength's due to Kwame inability to catch, and convert. So with Kwame not being a scoring threat, teams are allowed to disregard Luke as well, and Lamar can't shoot from outside the paint, so that makes it even worse. defensively, Kwame can't make up for Luke inability to cover bigger and faster SF's. Bynum's length helped with that. This is why we've been seeing these 3rd quarter collapses when it's tough for the starting 5 to score, when teams turn up the intensity and expose the weakness the Lakers have with Luke and Kwame on the floor at the same time.

A high profile PG will threaten the rare but fragile chemistry the team presently enjoys.

I think management needs to circle the wagons around Kobe's recent pronouncement that with a healthy Bynum, we're championship-caliber. Period.

The most trading we can engage in is with role players, say Sasha on down in the rotation.

w/r/t Luke, the Lakers value him more than other teams do. By definition, this makes him hard to trade for value. New multiyear contract does not help.

..."Lamar is doing fine. As long as he drives to the hole, he's fine"

but... that IS the problem. Dude will never change. Dude will say he's going to score more then the DUDE will NOT abide...

Lamar does have a special talent when driving to the hole. It's called, "picking up stupid charging fouls at the worst possible moment" and then, "driving the hole and not getting the call and standing and arguing about said non-foul call while everybody else races down to the other end of the court".

Also, I don't see how trading for Jason Kidd fixes the basic problem of having THREE starters who play 30+ minutes/game who don't want to shoot the ball. They are no threat on offense so their man on defense gets the night off and can concentrate on HIS offense. Kobe's a great player but this is ridiculous! He's supposed to carry FOUR guys for 30 minutes until somebody like Farmar or Sasha comes in and is willing to take a few shots? If I could play like Kobe, I'd ignore everyone else too, all they do now is get the ball and then desperately look for a way to pass it back to Kobe. Why not cut out the middleman, NOT pass the ball and look for a shot on my own terms then, rather than getting it back with 3 seconds on the shot clock?

How did these guys get in the pro's in the first place? Maybe that's the question we should be asking. Isn't the point of the game to put the round ball into the hole so you get something called, "points"??? There's no points for "intangibles", it's nice to have intangibles but too many intangibles lead to "feel good" losses... and more rationalizations as to why you lost but... it was a "good" loss...

With Kidd in the lineup, you can play him at the 2, Fish or Farmar at the 1, and move Kobe to the 3. When JKidd played in Phoenix, comparable to when Magic first started playing for the Lakers, Magic played a ball handling 2-guard until they traded Nixon to the Clippers for Byron Scott.
In Phoenix, JKidd would play the 2 next to KJ, then when they would bring Steve Nash off the bench, Kidd would share ball handling duties with Nash. Plus, it would relieve Kobe of facilitation duties and have him concentrate on scoring and defending on the other end. It would also give the Lakers more offensive options, especially once Ariza and Bynum came back.
But, Kidd's salary sucks towards our cap though.

the deeper I look at this team the more I like Lamar, he's getting the rebounds and eventually his outside shots are going to fall, and when they do, that should open space for the occasional drive to the basket. Remember Lamar was playing at a pretty high level before the injuries last year.

As far as Luke is concerned, this guy is not a starter. when Ariza started those few games it brought a whole new dimension to the team. When Luke plays its dementia.
And this has bothered me for weeks now since it happened. Remember when Luke was playing with the second unit and he was playing real bad? the excuse was he needed to be with the starters to be effective!
WHAT
I've never heard of such excuse. Do you think that Luke was tanking it on purpose with the second team so Phil would start him????
Luke is suppose to be this great passer, cerebral, "make players around him better" type player.
You know what it really is?????????
He needs the better players around to cover-up his inadequacies.
got to hand it to "Cool Hand Luke" he played Phil pretty good just like he has played us.

AK-BK,

Any trade rumors out there that we don't know about?

I won't steer you wrong Mamba!!

Thanks for the vote of confidence!!!

YOU EVER NOTICE,

Do you watch the same games as all of us here? I was ready to say - AS MORE I WATCH LAMAR, more I don't like his game. On offense, he either shot 3pts (probably less than 15% FG) midrange jumper (less than 30%) or drive to hole (50% of picking up an offensive foul, because everyone in the league already knows his game) He can not defend PF position period, or he is picking up foul. And last but not a small detail - he cost us $13.5M this year and even more next year ($14.5M) Now I would like to ask you again, do you watch the same games as we all are?

Keifo,
"Thanks for the vote of confidence!!!"

Hey You never told me you were running for President! LOL!

Exodus,

My bad on Farmar's stat I'll try to be more careful in the future, but I tell you stats lie
For instance you are really emphasizing Kidd's turnovers, well when consider that he is the playmaker and his touches are on nearly every possession of course you are going to turn the ball over.
HERE'S A lIST OF OTHER PLAYERS WITH A HIGH TUROVER RATE JUST FOR YOUR EDIFICATION
1. Arenas--- 4.9
2. Wade----- 4.4
3. Kidd-------3.7
4. Nash------3.7
5. Anthony--3.5
6. Williams --3.5

Kwame for Curry

Salaries match.

Supposedly Knicks are not happy with Curry.

We can do the deal before the game, during a time out, or even at the half.

Curry already has his bags packed for our long road trip.

Another side of the J Kidd trade - we can not bring more high salary players because looming extention for Drew next season, which will be at max around 72-75M

Xodus,
I forgot to add
Everyone knows Kidd's heart is not into it right now while playing with the Nets. I wouldn't either if they wouldn't do a one year extension on his contract 8 million dollars less than his current salary after the NJ front office gave Vince Carter that ridiculous money for his washed up arse.
I am certain if Kidd came to the Lakers he would be rejuvenated, perhaps he could up his shootin percentage to 40% (lol)
I am sure Jason would see a lot more layups in a Laker uniform because of the respect opposing teams defenses will have to show for his passing abilities to the likes of Kobe, Sasha, Vlade, Cobe.
I need better arguments X

Mamba24

put me on the trade for Jkidd bandwagon

Seems to me we have done no trades the last few years at the deadline and the stand pat strtegy hasn't done squat for us

KIDDKIDDKIDDKIDDKIDDKIDDKIDDKIDDKIDD

Has everyone forgotten what it is like to have a great point guard?
PUT ME ON THAT BANDWAGON MAMBA

You Ever Notice,

"I forgot to add, Everyone knows Kidd's heart is not into it right now while playing with the Nets. I wouldn't either if they wouldn't do a one year extension on his contract 8 million dollars less than his current salary after the NJ front office gave Vince Carter that ridiculous money for his washed up arse."

Not to jump all over you during a separate discussion, but if any of Kidd's weaker stats come from not playing his best because "his heart isn't into it" over monetary reasons, that's a pretty weak display on his part. Whether unhappy about his contract vs. Vince's or not, the dude is supposed to be a professional and he's currently getting paid 19.7 mil to act like one. He's being more than well compensated for his "trouble."

I could understand (if not necessarily condone) Kidd playing less than inspired on the court since his team's crappy. But if he's phoning it to some degree because the Nets are forcing him to possibly play basketball down the line at less than 20 mil per season, that's pretty pathetic. It's also the act of a guy I'd never want on the Lakers.

AK

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(03) J.C. - Future Agent
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(04) Guity - Luxury Tax specialist
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(06) LAL_FAN - Use to date Dyann Cannon
(07) XODUS - Recently nominated for Pulitzer

Why not send LO, Chris Mihm and Javaris Crittendon to the Nets for Kidd?

Works for me.

I'm seeing a lot of trade talk. No trade will work right now. The only viable candidates are Jermaine O'Neal and Marion. O'Neal is hurt, and the Suns need Marion for the end of the season. The Lakers gotta swallow it up and play. This roadie is going to be a true test of team spirit, heart and man-liness for a lot of these players especially Kobe, Kwame, Lamar and Walton. These guys have to step up within their respective strengths

You Ever Notice,

I know exactly what you're talking about with Kobe and I called him out for it then as well. But whether or not Kidd would grow out of it, so to speak (if this is indeed the case), isn't the issue. It's that the behavior is inexcusably unprofessional.

Plus, in my opinion, he's not really needed. I actually agree with Xodus that the size in Kwame and/or LO and others required to match salaries for Kidd would actually be a move backwards, which makes no sense if you're just trying to hang tight for two months. I think the Lakers need size, scoring or outside shooting more than they need a point guard.

Again, people need to hold off from hitting the panic button. There's no need for a full on face lift when the problem, while serious, is also temporary.

AK

AK
I think you misunderstood about the less money
It was Kidd who asked for the one year extension for only 13 million
after they resigned Vince. He was turned down. At least thats the way I remember it.

Bootyjuice,

wrt the lenovo +/- over the last 10 games.

What about the lenovo over the whole season?

In that stat (which includes the part of the season where Luke was healthy), Luke has
a +116, which makes him 6th best on the team in that stat. Kwame still takes up the
rear at -65, of course.

Why do people who want to make Luke look bad choose an arbitrary subset of the season
to compare his stats on?

How about all-season best 5-player combination?

Fisher-Bryant-Odom-Walton-Bynum is +106. That's almost DOUBLE the +/- for
the second best combination which is the same thing, but with Rad for Walton.

I think that stat actually makes it pretty clear. If you look at the whole season,
by FAR the best team the Lakers put on the floor is Fisher, Bryant, Odom, Walton,
and Bynum.

You know what the best combination (in terms of +/-) without Bynum is?

Fisher - Bryant - Walton - Odom - Mihm.

Yeah. dig that.

The best 4-player combination without Bynum?

Fisher - Bryant - Walton - Odom

If you take out Bynum and Mihm, then Fish, Kobe, and Lamar stay in most of the
best 5-player combinations, but Walton is in and out (Farmar, Ariza, Rad, sometimes
taking his place)

So as I stated in a previous blog. Walton and Odom are excellent complementary
players when Kobe and Bynum are on the floor (or even to a lesser extent with Mihm
on the floor). If you expect Walton and Odom to step up and be "tha man", then the
team slips below the top level team it can be when complete.

Oh, and by the way, even if you only look at the last 10 games, the top 5-player
combination is Fisher - Bryant - Odom - Walton - Bynum.

Xodus,

>>>I'd love to grab Corey Maggette from the Clips. That'd definitely fill the need for a
>>>third scorer (who could also step up as a second scorer if needed) and he's very
>>>strong defensively.

No he's not. He's a terrible defender. Why do you think he's had trouble making the
starting lineup for the lowly Clippers. It's not often you keep 20 point a night scorers
out of the starters on a bad team. It's only the injury to Brand and the DESPERATE
need for scoring that has driven Dunleavy to starting Maggette this season. He's
like the SF version of Ben Gordon (but with a higher shooting percentage)

I have a question. What's going on with Jamaal Magloire, he's had a horrific year. His number have declined dramatically the last 3 years. Is it over? Put a fork in him? or is he in a bad situation or what? If the dude wants playing time.... well... we just happen to have 30+ minutes availble for awhile and probably 20+ after that... If he has anything left, toss him into the Kidd deal...

Sean Williams is a young player who is playing fairly well so... why would NJ give him up? That makes no sense.

Marcus Williams is confusing though... quite frankly... he doesn't look that smart so... pass on him...

Bostjan Nachbar? I don't know... NJ has all these crappy "system" guys... we're already loaded with "system" guys...

Josh Boone seems to be coming around but... they're not going to trade him...

Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter? Impossible. NJ would have to take Lamar unless a 3rd team was involved and... why would they help us, again?

Put me on that keep the team as it is bandwagon, Kidd is great but cant shoot to save his life, and the triangle requires the guards to hit open shots and thats a lost cause with Jason, Farmar right now has a better shot than Kidd ever has, Dont panic Bynum and Ariza will be back soon enough, lets just tread water till then.

Oh, wow. One more thing on the Lenovo stats. Pay close attention all of you who want
to dump off Lamar or Luke for magic beans:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22007&split=22&team=

Over the last 10 games, Fisher - Bryant - Odom - Walton - Bynum has the highest +/-
of ANY 5-PLAYER COMBINATION IN THE LEAGUE!!!!!!

That's right. Over the last 10 games, a lineup with Lamar & Luke (as well as Kobe and
Bynum and Fish) has been better than some lineups like this:

Hill - Nash - Marion - Bell - Stoudemire (28 points worse)

McDyess - Wallace - Billups - Hamilton - Prince (63 points worse)

Nash - Marion - Bell - Stoudemire - Diaw (38 points worse)

Fisher - Bryant - Odom - Radmanovic - Bynum
(they're 43 points worse with Rad instead of Walton)

Garnett - Allen - Pierce - Perkins - Rondo (45 points worse)

Bowen - Duncan - Ginobili - Parker - Bonner (51 points worse)

Remember that while the Lakers are struggling over the next 6 weeks and Luke
and Lamar don't seem to be cutting it as the 2nd and 3rd option. When Bynum comes
back, the Lakers will be back to the lineup that for awhile was playing better than
any other lineup in the league... and it INCLUDES Luke and Lamar.

AK.....

In response to your comment about Jason Kidd, I second that emotion. Kidd is always running away from a situation that he created. See Dallas and Phx. He basically sabotaged Byron Scott's career in New Jersey by undermining his authority in the press and suggesting that Byron was too inexperienced as a coach, despite Scott taking Jersey to back to back Finals.

When Kidd arrived in Jersey, he benefited from the Nets players coming back from devastating injuries. Plus they added Richard Jefferson via the draft. The sp[in was that he was so unselfish and that he made the players around him better, unlike Stephon Marbury, whom he was traded for. The truth of the matter was that Kenyon Martin and Keith Van Horn were lost the previous season with season ending leg injuries. Kidd was in the right place at the right time.

Lakers had best steer clear of this guy.....short term he may bring benefits, but he is a team killer and as selfish an individual as there is in the league. It wouldn't be long before he'd be debating "whose team this is" in the press. He also makes a higher salary than the Mamba, who has also been known to have some ego issues. And, I can't think of a worse fit in the triangle. Let him go to Dallas and mess up that team .

You Ever Notice,

No, I got what was happening with Kidd and the extension. I was being kinda saracastic about it. That may not have come across in the writing.

My point was simply that the guy is already bitching about a new contract that won't start up for two years, and in the twillight of his career, no less. Yeah, he may still be a good player, but at the same time, he's also 34 NOW and has dealt with many an injury. That's a little cart ahead of the horse, especially for a guy that's already a gazillionaire. A joke is a joke. Thus, whether or not he finds VC's contract a slap in the face is irrelevant and certainly no excuse for theoretically phoning it in.

Put it this way. When a certain center was acting in similar fashion during his last season in L.A (complaining about an extension and appearing jealous of what a teammate would be getting paid), I seem to recall a lot of Laker fans upset and questioning how about "winning" the guy was. And once temporarily "rejuvenated" in Miami, everyone asked that same question even more.

What's the difference?

AK

Mamba24,

Please put me on the
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By the way, I predict an eight point victory tonight with Kobe scoring 45 points, Kwame having five turnovers and five fouls, Lamar Odom having 12 rebounds and six points, Luke Walton having 6 assists and 8 points, and someone (either Farmar, Sasha, Braveheart, or Rad Vlad) stepping up and having around 20 points (+/- 4 points).

GO LAKERS!

GO LAKERS!

START THE SECOND UNIT!

GO LAKERS!

You Ever Notice,

>>>You have got to be kidding "a marginal upgrade" ...

Actually, I agree with Xodus on this one. Kidd is a better overall player, but Fisher and
Farmar fit the triangle better than Kidd.

>>>Does that mean Farmar and Fish are just a heartbeat away form starting on the
>>>olympic team?

Nope. Is Jason Kidd ever going to have another season where he shoots over 41%?
He hasn't done it in the last 9 seasons. Will Jason Kidd be able to play at a high
level for the next 10 seasons? I think it's likely that Farmar will.

>>>Quite a statement, and the last time Iooked Farmar was shooting only
>>>40% from the field and Fish only goes on a crazy shooting streak once every 6
>>>games

Well, then you didn't look closely enough. Farmar shoots 40% alright... on his 3-point
shooting. He's shooting 49% overall, which is 5% higher than Jason Kidd has ever
shot in his career for a season.

Andrew Bynum may have the highest shooting % in the league this season, but
Farmar has the 32nd highest. Of all the "Qualified" shooters listed at espn, Jason
Kidd has the lowest shooting % at 36.9%. If you look at all players in the league,
he's the 353rd best shooter out of 429 NBA players.

Oh, and Fisher at 47% is the 51st most efficient shooter in the league.

And Fisher and Farmar are the 11th best and 23rd best 3-point shooters in the league,
respectively.

The D,

>>>The most trading we can engage in is with role players, say Sasha on down in
>>>the rotation.

And I'd only trade Sasha at this point in a trade for a good front court player. Sasha and
Farmar off the bench are a dynamite combination. I'd only let that go if it got the Lakers
some help for Ronny and Lamar and Bynum in the front court.

You can trade Mihm, Rad, or Karl for whoever you like, whenever you like, I don't mind.

If Critter or Sasha is going out, then I want a good player back.

If Kwame is going out, then they have to get a big body who can play some defense
back.

Trading any other player on the roster at this point would be a stupid panic move.
You don't trade away Luke and Lamar to find players that can play better with Kobe
and Kwame. You wait until Bynum gets back, and then you're back among the
league's elite.

You Ever Notice,

>>>Remember when Luke was playing with the second unit and he was playing real
>>>bad? the excuse was he needed to be with the starters to be effective! WHAT?

Look here:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22007&split=22&team=

I want you to look over the stats for the combination of 5 players that has played the best of
any 5-player combination IN THE LEAGUE over the last 10 games. Not just on the Lakers,
but in the NBA.

Is there something wrong with me where I can't justify trading Sasha, Javaris or Jordan for Jason Kidd? And I'm actually reluctant to include Kwame Brown (we need a center, right?). I wonder if a package of Walton, Vlad and Mihm would entice New Jersey. We'd throw in a couple draft picks of course (maybe even make them first rounders).

Since everyone is throwing out crazy trade ideas (I love this garbage by the way, it's better than talking about the Knicks), how about this one (include the Lakers sending a 1st rounder in the deal).

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/

traderesult?players=981~3197~1978~1731&teams=25~25~13~13&te=&cash=

LTLF,

I haven't watched Maggette a ton over the years but I've always felt that he was a pretty good player when I have seen him.

Jason Kidd is currently the starting PG on a team that has lost 9 games in a row.The Nets have Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson who are both all star caliber players.There is no excuse for them to be so bad.In my opinion if the Lakers trade Farmar and Odom for Kidd the Nets would make the playoffs and the Lakers would be out.Farmar and Odom would be a solid 3 and 4 option for NJ while Kidd has slipped to a 4 at best.

Lakers should try to make a trade for either Chris Wilcox or Charlie Villanueva. We should try to improve by going after players that will help us where we need it the most which is our frontline, particularly both forward positions. Wilcox is a monster in the post and Charlie V can shoot from outside. Gerald Green is an athletic SF that wants to be traded from Minnesota.

I don't think we need to make some major trade for a Kidd when we have solid PG's because we need to shore up and strengthen PF and SF positions. Trading for Wilcox or Villanueva would help a lot. We don't need to make a blockbuster trade to get where we want to go.

Andrew Z,
"I wonder if a package of Walton, Vlad and Mihm would entice New Jersey"

Don't do that - next season it will be like the Lakers had an extra MLE, because Vlad hasn't done anything this year, so whatever he contributes will be a plus!

Just my take on the matter, oh, and one more thing...
KOBE WANTS HIM
and please don't post back and say
Well Kobe also wanted to trade Bynum so his opinion means squat

I think Kobe knows a thing or two about talent

Posted by: YOU EVER NOTICE | January 29, 2008 at 10:14 AM

Can't just throw out obvious argument of Bynum because it is true.
Kobe also wanted and got Vlade and Mihm which are decent players at best but injury prone.

Your point of trading Kidd is shallow and yes I agree Crit is future at pg. But at present Fish And Farmar is our duo. Fish has a couple years left and Farmar will start until Crit matches experience and they will trade starting/back up roles.

The reason you want both is depth. If Farmar is traded to get Kidd we get old at the pg and when they retire we only have one good pg left. No depth. See our Center position to see the effect of lack of depth.

Keep the team together this season and minor upgrades after season. We have solid core and just need b/u center and power forward. Brave heart stays of course.