A moment for perspective
Sure, things look stark after the Bynum injury, and yes, a loss tonight to the Knicks will very likely bury the needle on the ArmageddonIsNigh Meter, but that makes it a perfect moment to gain a little perspective. Last night, watching a Brand/Kaman/Maggette-less Clippers squad get waxed by a Bobcats squad that had won only three roadies entering the game, the Fox Folk were so desperate for something to talk about that they did a courtside interview with Clipper Darrell, who is apparently being courted by Mark Cuban to become, one would think, Maverick Darrell.
In what was one of the most painful interviews ever, CD repeatedly declared "I have to do what's best for my family," proving that sports cliches are not simply limited to locker rooms. So if you're keeping score, that's 13 wins, the possibility for mass star defection after the season (Brand, Maggette), and even the quasi-mascot is thinking of jumping ship.
All told, things aren't so bad in Lakerville.
Carry on.
BK
Have faith.
Posted by: Faith | January 29, 2008 at 11:53 AM
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AND NOW YOUR STARTING LINEUP FOR THE 14 TIME WORLD CHAMPION LA LAKERS:
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At center number 54 Kwame “fist of fury Brown
At forward number 4 LUKE WALTON
At forward number 7 LAMAR ODOM
At guard number 5 JASOOOON KIDDDDDDDD
At guard number 24 KOOOBEEEEE BRYYYANTTTTTT
ROLL CALL:
(1) FAITH, (2) BOB, MIKE T. TALIQ, EDWIN GUECO, KEIFO, WOLF, CLEON,
COMPTONS_FINEST, VMAN, TIM-4-SHOW, LAKERTOM, RICK FRIEDMAN,
JON KAVULIC, WEAVE MAN, SIXONEZERO, FEARLESSWHACKJOB, DICE8UP
tha_SHOW, JCOOL, WOW, THE_D., FKILLAH, CHARLES, GENERIC_ONE
utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER, EXHELODRVR, ) JANAYA, EASTCOASTJESSIE,
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BlackMamba24, AfroJoe, LakerTRUTH, Kiwi, Peace, DAVID WHANG, ELLE, J.J.
HOBBITMAGE, idiot, LAKERDAWG, GINO . YOU EVER NOTICE?,
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TheLakeShow, WESsJoeNixon, BAYWOOD, SBPIMP, CaliKing, Thirty2, DaxMDD
CBUCK, GDChild, ZEN, DION, Centralk, FATTY, Greek Dude, Staples24, Guy
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Purple & Gold, TSPHERE, t_Sensei, Tully Moxness, Zakee, David Peterson,
CYRUS(Ventrilquist), Swettual, Andrew Z, LAL Fan, Brandon C., DC, SMOOTH D
Kinglakernidas, HUBBIT, BronxLakerFan, RespectMyAuthorith, Hariyahu, LakerLass
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Mfeige, RDANEEL, PHIL JACKSON, , Marc Gasol, Sun Yue, Ronny Turiaf,
V. RADMANOVIC, Jordan Farmar, LUKE WALTON, ANDREW BYNUM, COBY KARL,
Trevor Ariza, Chris MihmJarvis Critterton, LarryFulcher, Sasha Vujacic, TEX WINTER
ALL TOGETHER NOW:
WE ARE THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS THE WINNERS OF 14 NBA TITLES
THE TEAM WITH THE BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN NBA HISTORY
THE HOME OF WILT, KAREEM, GEORGE MIKAN, SHAQ, MAGIC, KOBE,
ELGIN BAYLOR, THE LOGO(JERRY WEST), PAT RILEY, JAMES WORTHY,
SILK, KWAME “ The Glove “ BROWN, SMUSH “ No Parking” PARKER AND
COACHED BY THE 9 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON
AND NO ONE WILL EVER DIVIDE OR CONQUER US
Posted by: MAMBA24 | January 29, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Big 3 currently:
Kobe
Odumb
Kwame the Clown
or
Kobe
Kidd
Bynum
This trade will happen with Farmar being the only piece I will miss.
BD
Posted by: BD | January 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM
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Trade for J.Kidd Now Bandwagon
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(01) YOU EVER NOTICE - Owner and Driver
(02) LAKER LOVER - Security
(03) J.C. - Future Agent
(04) ALEXINNH017 - KIDD'S stunt double
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KEEP THE TEAM AS IS. WE'LL BE FINE BANDWAGON
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(01) KEIFO - Onwer and Driver
(02) Mamba24 - Riding Shotgun
(03) GABE - Backup
(04) Guity - Luxury Tax specialist
(05) OPTIMUS PRIME - Former Gladiator
(06) LAL_FAN - Use to date Dyann Cannon
(07) XODUS - Recently nominated for Pulitzer
Posted by: Mamba24 | January 29, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Vick the Brick should be chastised also for putting on a Clipper poncho. CD go do your Spreewell my family's gotta eat thing. Cuban can buy his fans, but he'll never win a championship with his Dance-tics!
Posted by: Charles | January 29, 2008 at 12:02 PM
TaosHum,
I'm not saying I out and out want Jason Kidd BUT you can't say he doesnt improve our team.
The problem with our team is that we dont have guys who can create shots outside of Bynum and Kobe. Lamar does this inconsistently.
If you get Kidd, you have a guy that creates shots for himself and others consistently.
That makes Walton better, Fisher better, and everyone better because they can spot up for 3s and they can play basketball with defenders out of position instead of going one-on-one.
Think about how easy is it when a guy is running to defend an open-man rather than when the guys has the ball and trying to go one on one...
Anyway, I dont think we have what it takes for Kidd cuz that means we would have to give up either Farmar/Crit plus Radmanovic plus Kwame at least. I dont think that's enough and that the organization knows if it likes Farmar or Crit better. With Farmar, you know you have a solid player for 8 years. With Crit, you think you have a star but that's just hype for now. We'll know about Crit once we see how he improves next year.
Posted by: Korey | January 29, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Faith,
"Have faith."
My problem is I don't have enough Faith! LOL!
Posted by: Mamba24 | January 29, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Lets Go Lakers keep the faith laker nation we will regroup.
Posted by: LakerFan | January 29, 2008 at 12:20 PM
BK
Perhaps Clipper Darryl is thinking of Latrell Sprewell's family and their apparently expensive taste in food.
Posted by: The D | January 29, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Unless Rod Thorn is out and out willing to accept pennies on the dollar for Jason Kidd, I can't see a good deal out there that will bring him to the Lakers. I can think of one that might work on paper, but I'd be surprised to see the Nets go for it. Even though I like him, J-Crit is expendable (Farmar's progression has made his existence somewhat redundant on the Lakers), and even though he's got a long-term deal, Walton is still pretty cheap versus the cap (and is best friends with Richard Jefferson - a healthy Luke along with Crit and a draft pick should work). I hate doing these things, but here's a trade that actually worked in the Trade Machine:
Lakers get Jason Kidd & Josh Boone
Nets get J-Crit, Luke Walton Kwame Brown's Expiring Contract, & Vladimir Radmanovic, plus a 1st round pick in 2008
I highly doubt they do this deal, but the money works out on both sides. It leaves us weak at SF, but we could move Boone to PF and play Lamar at the SF again; lately, it seems to be the position he's playing whether he's listed there or not.
Posted by: Tully Moxness | January 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM
put it this way, I'd like to get Kidd if we could give up garbage to get him and he would promise to sign a reduced contract for the future say $12-13m/season like he implied in an interview one time. If so, fine, we would need a Center back if we moved Kwame in the deal so we'd have to take back the horrible Jason Collins. They are not going to throw in anyone good and they'll most likely want Farmar, so as a starting point you're probably looking at Kwame (expiring contract), Farmar and whatever else required to match up with Kidd + Collins, we might have to throw in a draft pick, I would assume a 2nd rounder. Maybe Radmanovic gets tossed in, maybe not but we shouldn't give up anybody good. They can have Cobe Karl??? Anything else and they can sit and spin waiting around for better offers. There's not many teams willing to give up a lot and absorb Kidd's contract so there's no need to "panic buy" like all these idiots outbidding each other to buy houses the last few years.
Once we get Kidd, the basic problem still remains, we'll have Collins, Walton and Odom in the starting lineup until Bynum and Ariza get back so... we'll have this great passing guard, 2 facilitators, a TOOL (Jason Collins) and Kobe playing 30+ minutes/game and every other play they'll hand the ball back to Kobe with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock and expect him to put points on the board so... what did we accomplish?
Posted by: TaosHum | January 29, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Folks stop this Jason Kidd fantasy. He is 35 yrs old and can't shoot! He would not make the Lakers better minus the players traded. In fact, Lakers are better with Farmar than Kidd even up. Farmar is younger, quicker, and a much better shooter. Just because Kidd wants to be traded doesn't mean he makes the Lakers better.
Jkidd is OVER RATED.If he was so good why can't he succeed with Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson? Excuses are like Republicans. They are easy find, but don't produce results.
Posted by: Todd | January 29, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I will not trade Farmar or LO ( although his on my doc list) for Kidd.. Now a lot of people would say , well will have 3 PG on our roset,. I really think DFISH is a scoring two guard than an actual PG... He can also come off the bench and moving Kobe to the 3 spot. This helps them team out tremoundesly since Luke is so suspect on both ends of the floor....
I like Kidd a lot but with his age and salary I would only offer Kwame, Mimm, Vrad Sasha and a 2008 draft pick....If you think that's now enough for Kidd look at the proposals from Denver and Dallas......
Line up would be something like this
Kidd
Fish
Kobe
Lamar
Bynum
With the above line-up you have a winning Team, LO's flaws will be so hidden that he can really if wanted to become our energy player in that line-up much like turiaf is on our 2nd unit.....
or
Kidd
Kobe
Ariza or Luke
Lamar
Bynum
Pontential bench mob
Fish
Farmar
Ariza
Turiaf
Walton
Mbenga
Critt
Mitch let's see if you can work your Magic
Posted by: Gino | January 29, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Korey,
I'm sorry but your logic has a flaw. Why do you think Kidd would be able to acomplish something that Kobe trying to do witout any consistent result - create high % shot for everyone else? We just need to get to use to thought maybe Luke, Odom, Fisher not a consistent shooters, period, no matter who is trying to create this shot Kobe or Kidd. I bet, you leave Lamar alone in the gym he would not be able to shot 50% jumpers. At least Kobe will commit double team on majority nights vs J Kidd, you know let him shot 36%, how many games we going to win shooting like this?
Posted by: LAL_Fan | January 29, 2008 at 12:50 PM
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(01) YOU EVER NOTICE - Owner and Driver
(02) LAKER LOVER - Security
(03) J.C. - Future Agent
(04) ALEXINNH017 - KIDD'S stunt double
(05) NOTES ON A SCORECARD – Official Scorer
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KEEP THE TEAM AS IS. WE'LL BE FINE BANDWAGON
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(01) KEIFO - Onwer and Driver
(02) Mamba24 - Riding Shotgun
(03) GABE - Backup
(04) Guity - Luxury Tax specialist
(05) OPTIMUS PRIME - Former Gladiator
(06) LAL_FAN - Use to date Dyann Cannon
(07) XODUS - Recently nominated for Pulitzer
Posted by: Mamba24 | January 29, 2008 at 12:50 PM
AK
I recall Kobe doing some weird things when he was trying to make a certain point. My point was merely conjecture, his overall stats do not reflect this attitude. I did not mean to open Pandora's box.... I can't prove this but I feel it, as does the media.
Just like we couldn't prove what Kobe was doing.
My intention was a change of scenery will definitely raise his spirits and his game.
Posted by: YOU EVER NOTICE | January 29, 2008 at 12:50 PM
YOU EVER NOTICE,
It's possible that Kidd isn't giving it his all because he's unhappy, but if it's because of monetary reasons, why would we want a guy like that? Even if did bump up his FG% to 40% that's still pathetic. We'd be paying a 35 year old guy nearly $20 million who doesn't really fit into our offense and gave to give up 3-4 guys to do it. Our chemistry would be screwed up and we'd be weaker in the middle.
Adding J-Kidd would be a move backwards.
And to your point about the guys who average a lot of turnovers I agree that your turnovers are often higher when you create a lot of the offense. But the difference between the list of players that you named is that the guys you named HAVE to score a lot AND create offense for their respective teams. And they're definitely averaging 36% from the field. Kidd is creating offense for others but wasting possessions by turning it over and throwing up bricks.
Posted by: Xodus | January 29, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Man we need to stop tripping. Every time we here that a player is free, we're talking about a trade. Really we need to stop that. The only players if we could find a team to take away from us should be : #1 Vladdy ( waste of money, had plenty of time to show his worth. "Niete") #2 Luke, Like his attitude but had much more terrible games than not so bad games. Besides of these guys, I'll keep this team as his. I'll even keep inconsistent LO.
Thoughts anyone?
Mamba from the east coast
PS Mamba 24 What happened to the pioneers of the roll call. It looks like our name is being drop lower and lower every post. Just inquiring "wise Mamba" LOL. Thanks for your so always enlightening post.
Posted by: Mamba24Fan4Life | January 29, 2008 at 12:53 PM
The D-
Perhaps he is! It was just an incredibly low moment in the history of broadcasted sports. Really, I wish someone would YouTube it. Of course, when the team on the floor includes dudes like Josh Powell, Brevin Knight, Tim Thomas, and Aaron Williams, I guess you do what you can to pass the time.
BK
Posted by: Brian Kamenetzky | January 29, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Losing Cliipper Darrell to the Mavs would be like if Jack Nicholson was hired away to sit courtside at Spurs games!
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | January 29, 2008 at 01:01 PM
Man, if we get the Nets to throw Jason Collins into a deal for Kidd, they'd be overjoyed. Collins would have us thinking wistfully about the 'Kwame Era'; Collins may be the worst offensive center in the game, and we'd be stuck with that guy for 1.5 more seasons, too.
I just don't see a real deal that would help us without creating another hole somewhere else. The Nets are in for a fun ride if they can't find a home for Mr. Kidd.
Posted by: Tully Moxness | January 29, 2008 at 01:05 PM
Tonight I like the Lakers by 3 in OT.
Posted by: ReliFace | January 29, 2008 at 01:09 PM
gasol
darko
cardinal
for
odom
kwame
mihm
2008 1st and 2nd round pics
2010 1st round, top 3 protected pic
--- much better for us, than jason kidd, who is great, but isnt going to fit for us,
Posted by: SA | January 29, 2008 at 01:14 PM
THINGS aren'T so bad in Lakerville. Your kiddin? Right??
Posted by: KARL MALONE | January 29, 2008 at 01:16 PM
So let me get this straight....there's another NBA team in LA? And they play in the same arena? What?
Posted by: #4 | January 29, 2008 at 01:17 PM
With all the crazy trade scenarios involving Kwame, who do you think is going to play center until Drew out? or even craziest ideas envolving both Mihm and Kwame, we even don't know if Mihm ready to play at all...
Posted by: LAL_Fan | January 29, 2008 at 01:19 PM
ah man, I posted this on the old board by accident but... I thought it was so profound I would repost here:
I have a question. What's going on with Jamaal Magloire, he's had a horrific year. His number have declined dramatically the last 3 years. Is it over? Put a fork in him? or is he in a bad situation or what? If the dude wants playing time.... well... we just happen to have 30+ minutes availble for awhile and probably 20+ after that... If he has anything left, toss him into the Kidd deal...
Sean Williams is a young player who is playing fairly well so... why would NJ give him up? That makes no sense.
Marcus Williams is confusing though... quite frankly... he doesn't look that smart so... pass on him...
Bostjan Nachbar? I don't know... NJ has all these crappy "system" guys... we're already loaded with "system" guys...
Josh Boone seems to be coming around but... they're not going to trade him...
Richard Jefferson or Vince Carter? Impossible. NJ would have to take Lamar unless a 3rd team was involved and... why would they help us, again?
Posted by: TaosHum | January 29, 2008 at 01:26 PM
QUESTION
ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT BOTH DALLAS AND CLEVELAND ARE VERY INTERESTED IN AQUIRING JASON KIDD?
PERHAPS THEY THINK HE'S THE MISSING LINK BETWEEN MAKING THE FINALS AND WINNING THE FINALS.
MAYBE THESE TEAMS SHOULD INQUIRE ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF FARMAR AND FISH SINCE A LOT YOU THINK THERE ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM
Posted by: YOU EVER NOTICE | January 29, 2008 at 01:27 PM
Weber's press conference:
Mullin comments: He better not be right or some of us are going to be mighty upset we didn't sign Weber.
We’re glad that Chris has elected to sign with our club and feel fortunate to add a player with his ability,” said Mullin. “We think he will be a nice addition to our team and provide additional depth to our frontcourt and an added veteran presence on the floor. Chris has enjoyed a lot of success in this league and certainly has many aspects to his game – in particular his mid-range shooting and passing ability - that will fit in well and provide us another dimension.”
Webers comments: What a dork.
“It is with great pride and humility that I announce my return to the Golden State Warriors , the place where it all started,” said Webber. “This organization and city has always had a special place in my heart because it is where my dream of being an NBA player first came true. I am looking forward to playing with Baron, Stephen and the rest of the crew and I am extremely excited to be reunited with the fans of Oakland along with Coach Nelson and my former teammate, Mully. In playing for Nellie before, I know how much fun his style of ball can be. I believe great things are in store and I can’t wait to get on the court.”
Posted by: AN1 | January 29, 2008 at 01:41 PM
UPDATE: ESPN's Chris Broussard (Insider) has an idea: "Lamar Odom, Javaris Crittenton and Sasha Vujacic for Kidd. It works financially and could potentially benefit both teams. ... I threw my proposal out to a few league executives Monday, and they said they'd make that deal in a heartbeat -- if they were the Nets."
Posted by: YOU EVER NOTICE | January 29, 2008 at 01:42 PM
YOU EVER NOTICE,
I actually don't think Kidd makes Dallas that much better if they have to give up either Josh Howard or Devin Harris. Those are two very good young players and the Jason Terry and Harris duo has been very good. The reason why Dallas struggled early on is because Dirk Nowitzki wasn't playing well.
The Cavs could use Kidd because they wouldn't have to play Hughes at the point anymore and Lebron could play off the ball more. The Cavs probably have the weakest point guards in the league they could use J-Kidd.
Posted by: Xodus | January 29, 2008 at 01:42 PM
If we got Nachbar--we'd win it all. Seriously, that guy can stroke the J. We should forget Kidd and focus on Nachbar. Odom for Nachbar--straight up
Posted by: Chubbs McChubbington | January 29, 2008 at 01:44 PM
Tonight's game has "DANGER" written all over it. The Knicks have been playing much better of late; they are 5-5 over their last 10. In addition to that, Zach Randolph, noted Laker killer, has been playing well. Combined with the impending roadie, The Show can't afford to be looking ahead. Knicks only lost by 2 to GState on Sunday, and were in it until the end. Lakers also shouldn't forget how tough they played them at MSG. Lakers need to man up and play a good game. GO LAKERS!!!!
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | January 29, 2008 at 01:47 PM
So Chris Webber is so happy to be back with Don Nelson? NBA millions make strange bedfellows.
Posted by: bronxlakerfan | January 29, 2008 at 01:55 PM
YOU EVER NOTICE, I'm not sure exactly what trade you are proposing. I think you are proposing putting Turiaf at Center full time??? and Fisher at SG full time?
As far as Cleveland and Dallas... yeah... I'll believe it when I see it, they aren't going to give up much to get Kidd either but they want their stars to know they are "in the hunt". Cleveland is actually in a very bad situation, I don't think their coach is that good and apparently I'm not the only one and... WHO wants to go to Cleveland? Seriously... and no way Lebron stays there, my god they were just in the finals last year and nobody cares, they're not a draw. Lebron knows the only reason people go to games is because he's there, so why spend your entire career in an obscure market? If he goes to a bigger market, the people will follow him there. So Jason Kidd doesn't do it for Lebron, they would have to land a miracle free agent like Dwyane Wade to have any chance of keeping Bron Bron in Cleveland.
Posted by: TaosHum | January 29, 2008 at 01:56 PM
Clipper Darrell makes me miss Dancing Barry.
Which makes me think. When Ronny retires, Lakers need to put him on our mascot squad.
We can call him, "Rocking Ronny"
And does anyone else think Mamba 24 and Ronny are the same person?
Posted by: AN1 | January 29, 2008 at 02:02 PM
""Lamar Odom, Javaris Crittenton and Sasha Vujacic for Kidd."
Oh my god, that's a horrible trade! That's why we're probably going to do it... LOL! I still say NO trading Crittenton, they can have Farmar but Crittenton is serious business... them's fight'en words... everybody wanted to dump off Bynum last year and now... oh, they've forgotten. Same thing with Crittenton, the guy has another gear - he has TWO MORE GEARS than Farmar, ok? A little patience, please? I'd like to keep them both actually, I think they will complement each other and Crittenton could actually move to SG when they are both in but...
also, if we traded Lamar... who fills his slot? Turiaf can't play more than 20 minutes/game when he's healthy and he's not right now...
Posted by: TaosHum | January 29, 2008 at 02:02 PM
A Plea for Patience:
Wouldn't it be nice to have the most effective starting five in the league? The
Lakers have enough effective players to have a good bench mob, but wouldn't
it be good if they could have a starting 5 that was the most effective of any
starting 5 in the league.
So who are the best starting 5?
Well, let's look at the +/- stats for all 5-player combinations over the last 10 games:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/lenovo_sort.jsp?
pcomb=5&season=22007&split=22&team=
Gosh.
Over the last 10 games, Fisher - Bryant - Odom - Walton - Bynum has the highest +/-
of ANY 5-PLAYER COMBINATION IN THE LEAGUE!!!!!!
That's right. Over the last 10 games, a lineup with Lamar & Luke (as well as Kobe and
Bynum and Fish) has been better than some lineups like this:
Hill - Nash - Marion - Bell - Stoudemire (28 points worse)
McDyess - Wallace - Billups - Hamilton - Prince (63 points worse)
Nash - Marion - Bell - Stoudemire - Diaw (38 points worse)
Fisher - Bryant - Odom - Radmanovic - Bynum
(they're 43 points worse with Rad instead of Walton)
Garnett - Allen - Pierce - Perkins - Rondo (45 points worse)
Bowen - Duncan - Ginobili - Parker - Bonner (51 points worse)
Remember that while the Lakers are struggling over the next 6 weeks and Luke
and Lamar don't seem to be cutting it as the 2nd and 3rd option. When Bynum comes
back, the Lakers will be back to the lineup that for awhile was playing better than
any other lineup in the league... and it INCLUDES Luke and Lamar.
NO TRADES FOR LUKE
NO TRADES FOR LAMAR
Wait for Bynum to come back and the Lakers will once again have the most
effective starting 5 in the league.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:03 PM
Xodus
Good points on Dallas and Cleveland's needs
If not Kidd, you still feel we should stand pat and not make a move at all and just wait till Bynum comes back and hope were not out of the playoff picture?
These injuries can be very tricky, and I am sure the Lakers won't allow AB back until he's close to 100%
Do we take our chances and take a "wait till next year attitude?
Will that infuriate Kobe, has Kobe now reversed course to the point that he feels AB is the second coming of Shaq without the attitude?
So many questions
So many blogs
Can't wait till the trading deadline is over
Posted by: YOU EVER NOTICE | January 29, 2008 at 02:04 PM
YOU EVER NOTICE - ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT BOTH DALLAS AND CLEVELAND ARE VERY INTERESTED IN AQUIRING JASON KIDD?
thats what Im talking about brother- kidd= all star who makes teams better. Fisher and Farmar- shooting PGS. I want a PG that can break down the defense and create easy shots and Im thinking Nash isnt avaliable.
I like Farmar but I dont see him as the future PG of the lakers, thats Crit and Fish doesnt have many productive seasons left. Thats what I mean by making a decision for the lakers- with Bynum and Kidd the lakers would be a contender this year.
Posted by: Laker Lover | January 29, 2008 at 02:04 PM
Todd,
Democrats produced results? Lets keep political statements/comments outside of this blog, no matter what is your political view.
Posted by: LAL_Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:10 PM
LAL_Fan,
>>>Why do you think Kidd would be able to acomplish something that Kobe trying
>>>to do witout any consistent result - create high % shot for everyone else?
Actually, I agree with Korey on this point. Kidd is an amazing passer and would get
some really good looks for people. I bet Kwame would score double figures if Kidd
was on the floor with him most of the time. By comparison, Kobe is a pretty good
passer.
But I don't think the Lakers should trade for Kidd if it involves giving up any of
their productive players. And even then, they'd have to give up Kwame, and
that would currently leave DJ MBenga as the starting center. Ouch.
Better to wait for the return of Bynum.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:11 PM
YOU EVER NOTICE,
There's a reason why those executives said they'd do that deal in a second if they were the Nets. Kidd isn't what he used to be and if you say he his is looking at his reputation and isn't watching him play this season.
Posted by: Xodus | January 29, 2008 at 02:17 PM
SA,
And why in the world Memphis will do such a trade? Darko better than Kwame, and Gasol better than everything else...
Posted by: LAL_Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:20 PM
I think too many people are getting desperate because of the injuries. We don't need Kidd on this team. Yes Kidd is still one of the elite passers in the NBA but we need to remember that we play in the triangle and we don't need one guy to create all of our shots. Do you remember how efficiently we were playing BEFORE all the injuries. We don't need Kidd, what we really need is a guy like David West who can score, bang in the post and rebound.
Unfortunately he's not available.
Posted by: Xodus | January 29, 2008 at 02:27 PM
You Ever Notice,
>>>ISN'T IT INTERESTING THAT BOTH DALLAS AND CLEVELAND ARE VERY
>>>INTERESTED IN AQUIRING JASON KIDD?
We'll see if either of those teams actually comes up with a package that Jersey
accepts. They can't give expiring contracts, because they don't have them.
And Jersey won't trade a top 5 point guard for a bunch of average players with
long term contracts. That means if either of those teams wants JKidd, they'll have
to give up one of their better players.
So who does Dallas give up? Jason Terry? Would the Nets be willing to take back
50 million in contract? I think not. Devin Harris goes without saying. Probably
Diop, no great loss. Maybe Devean George, as he's the biggest expiring contract
the Mavs have. So let's add up that tally -
Harris (PPP) + Diop + George for JKidd is about 9 million short.
So that leaves Dallas one of two options: include Stackhouse and Eddie Jones
to add up enough salary, or offer Dampier or Terry or Josh Howard. Oh wait.
Josh Howard is base year compensated. So if it's Howard, it has to be Howard
and Stackhouse.
Do you see where I'm going? Dallas would either have to include Jason Terry
or Erick Dampier or theyd have to send 5 or 6 players just to make MINIMAL
salary matching for Kidd. Is Kidd worth Harris, Diop, Stackhouse, George, and
Eddie Jones? Does that trade make them better?
Same thing with Cleveland - it won't be able to come up with a package of players
that is a mix of expiring contracts and good players without stripping the team,
unless New Jersey is wild about Larry Hughes (and who isn't).
If Bynum were healthy, the Lakers would actually be much better set up to trade
for Kidd. Neither Dallas nor Cleveland has 9 million in TOTAL expiring contracts.
The Lakers could include that in one player. The question is, what else would
they have to give up, and would it make them better overall.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:28 PM
LTLF
Don't you also agree with me if I say in order to become amazing passer you need to have a pretty good shooters/finishers on your team, otherwise your pass is wasted. How many times we've seen Kobe pass to Lamar/Luke or even Fish out of double/triple team just see them miss open jumper, in case of Kwame droping the ball? How many time we seen Lamar shooting 3pts with no one even close and horribly missing? Do you, or Korey for this matter honestly believe JKidd would be able to improve this, no matter how amazing passer he is?
Posted by: LAL_Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:29 PM
AK, Ex, LTLF
All solid reasons
The Shaq issue was a little different though, wasn't Shaq asking for a 3 year $25 million extension?
Kidd was asking for one year at a significant discount
Anyway, the character, age, and "Triangle Fit" issues are real and I understand why so many people are so apprehensive.
I would like to believe that at this stage in his career Kidd still has something in the tank and is driven more by winning a ring than money. I don't think he's a glory hog either, it's not how he plays the game. There are other examples of athletes in the twilite of their careers going down this very path in search of that holy grail.
In the words of Fox Mulder,
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Posted by: YOU EVER NOTICE | January 29, 2008 at 02:32 PM
Laker Lover,
Even without Kidd but with Bynum, Kobe named Lakers as a "championship contender". I don't recall he mentioned Kidd
Posted by: LAL_Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:34 PM
YOU EVER NOTICE,
>>>UPDATE: ESPN's Chris Broussard (Insider) has an idea: "Lamar Odom, Javaris
>>>Crittenton and Sasha Vujacic for Kidd. It works financially and could potentially
>>>benefit both teams. ... I threw my proposal out to a few league executives
>>>Monday, and they said they'd make that deal in a heartbeat -- if they were the
>>>Nets."
The key here being "if they were the Nets".
I'd at least consider that package. It would cut deep. Without Lamar, the Lakers
become paper thin in the front court. And without Sasha, they have only Farmar
for reliable off the bench shooting. If Rad were to come back over the next few
games and shoot the lights out and get a reasonable amount of rebounds, I'd
lean toward making the trade. If Kidd would agree to extend for 2 years at 10
million per, then it would be a done deal. You'd have Kobe and Kidd and Bynum
for 3 years and still have Farmar, Fisher, Ariza, Turiaf, Rad, and Walton as role
players. They'd need to shore up the front court, but it could be a positive move.
But it would definitely make them worse until they could add a front court player
or two. Much as you hate him, Lamar is currently the anchor of the Lakers front
court.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | January 29, 2008 at 02:41 PM