While I don't agree with some fans that the media is "evil," per se...
UPDATE (12.8): Now including news for Saturday... though most of it discusses what Lakers Blog already had posted (minus the V-8 part.). We're not saying people are copycats, but...)
We may very well be bad luck.
From almost the minute practice was opened up to us reporter types, purple and gold bodies began falling like hotcakes. During the closing scrimmage (Kobe didn't participate or practice today and when we entered the gym he was on a table getting his shoulder worked), Ronny Turiaf went up to block a layup by Javaris Crittenton (subbing for Kobe on the starter squad), but The Critter slipped and got tangled with Martinique's Favorite Son. Both landed like a ton of bricks and lay on the ground for a few minutes before finally getting up (and continuing practice). A few possessions later while challenging Sasha Vujacic's jumper, Luke Walton tweaked an ankle and hobbled around the baseline trying to walk it off. Perhaps just coincidence, or perhaps recognizing that we'd reached the point where Coby Karl might blow out an Achilles at a D-Fenders practice in a "six degrees of separation" kinda thing, Phil Jackson whistled the end of practice.
Cool note: On both occasions, Kobe got up from the trainer's table to check on his injured teammates, a nice showing of leadership from the captain.
But fear not, since today's rash of ouchies shouldn't produce anything in the way of freak outs. Phil stressed that Walton's ankle wasn't twisted, just jammed, which is easy to happen considering the forward's troublesome ankle "isn't as solid as it should be, anyway." Crittenton planned to ice his knee after practice, but said he was fine. A similar frozen treatment was in the works for Ronny's post-tumble ankle, but he also didn't consider himself worse for the wear. And for those keeping score, the only way Ronny could even tumble during practice is to be actually be practicing, which he'd been previously unable to do after getting a mild concussion during Sunday's game against Orlando. "I felt good," assessed Turiaf of his run. "Knocked down a couple jumpers. I played good defense. I had a good time. It was good to be out there." Ronny guesstimated he was about "96%, 97%. Still little weak, but felt the situation was "nothing major." As he put it, "Nothing is going to hold me back."
In "More Dudes Who've Taken Hard Spills" updates, Kobe's still hurting after his brutal floor plant during the Denver win. "It's very sore right now. Trying to get treatment to get it ready." By "ready," Kobe means "for action on Sunday against Golden State," a game he's got penciled for competition. "I'll be okay. It's not something that structurally is going to get any worse. I'm trying to maintain the pain level down as much as possible, so Sunday I'm playing with less pain than I'm playing with right now." Having seen the reply of that wipeout, he's well aware this could have resulted in a serious injury. "I'm very lucky. It could have been much worse." Bryant actually looked pretty tired while talking, which made me wonder if he was still feeling the effects of the bug he played through against Minnesota and Denver, but he's "feeling fine."
Other health notes. Phil thought it could be around next weekend or so before Kwame Brown can start up again, but is encouraged by the center's progress while recovering from his ankle injury. He watched Kwame work with Athletic Performance Coordinator Alex McKechnie in front of a mirror (joking that #54 was definitely not using the time to fix his hair or shave) and liked what he saw. He also noted how Kwame's time in civvies thus far jibes with expectations. "Gary (Vitti) specifically said that a lot of time with this type of an injury, soft tissue like this, six weeks is not the outside range at all. And it's just been three weeks, so we know we've got some time to go yet. He's still inside the margins of what we think is a permanent recovery and one of things we've tried to emphasize is that with the condition his ankle's been in and the surgery he had offseason, he needs to recover completely so he has the stability and the base that he needs in this game." Jackson even put an optimistic spin on Kwame's less than desirable situation. "I actually think it might be good for him. He can really get his ankle and the base together. Our trainers and our crack medical staff say that surgeries take a year and we have guys get operations in the offseason and expect them to return 100% to play in the season. It's just not that way. It's gonna take some time."
Finally, Lamar Odom is in the pink after being the first to experience the flu bug that's made the rounds (hitting, most notably, Andrew Bynum and Kobe). "That happens during the year," shrugged Odom. "One of us gets sick. Take a plane ride. One cough. Everybody gets sick. I think everybody's starting to feel better right now, though."
Just like kids in kindergarten, albeit unusually tall kids in a seriously luxurious, airborne classroom.
Some discussion did take place involving guys who aren't nursing injuries. Phil Jackson praised the play of newcomer Trevor Ariza, who finally got some big minutes against Minnesota and Denver after spending mucho time riding the bench since arriving in L.A. "As far as the nuances (of the system), he's still kind of learning those. But I think the activity and the direction in which we play and how we play, that's his style. There's still a hesitation as he's recognizing on the floor what the next step is, so it's not instinctual. That'll come." But even taking into account the subtleties the former Bruin is still grasping on the fly, Jackson told me he felt more than comfortable playing Ariza in similar fashion to Thursday, where he was brought in to guard Allen Iverson. "Specifically. Yeah. That's exactly kind of what I felt we needed. He could make a team have to think with a defensive insertion in which it changes the course of the game."
On a final and somewhat random note, I spied a bunch of V-8 in the gym fridge that holds the Gatorade, water and other items players actually drink. V-8? Who finishes up a hard day of hooping and says, "Man, I'm parched. Better chug a V-8?" Seriously, does anybody touch the stuff? I doubt even the coaching staff indulges. As part of a scientific experiment (involving precious little science), I counted the number of cans on the shelf (three rows, seven deep) and I'm gonna keep an eye out all season to see often the amount varies.
My guess? Unless they clear it out in favor of more Gatorade, not an iota.
-AK
OTHER LINKS:
- On the odd chance you haven't been paying attention since the first ten days of the season, you should know that Sunday's opponent, the Golden State Warriors, have recovered from their early troubles and are kicking some ass these days.
- More info on GSW, and why they're playing so well.
- Marty Burns of SI.com checks in on the J.Kidd situation...
- As does ESPN.com
- Our very own Mike Bresnahan has answers to reader questions, touching on Drew,Trevor Ariza, and how the Lakers might cherry pick from the miserable Kings.



I knew by boy, Kwame Brown, needed more time to heal from his offseason surgeries. I thought the same thing. This is a perfect time for Kwame to heal up from those surgeries and his sprained knee.
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | December 07, 2007 at 05:35 PM
AK/BK,
Since Kobe was out of practice, did Andrew get any passes thrown his way today? LOL
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | December 07, 2007 at 05:42 PM
"unusually tall kids in a seriously luxurious, airborne classroom."
Unusually tall kids in a seriously luxurious, airborne classroom, where the teacher is making out with a former Playboy Bunny in the back.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 07, 2007 at 05:43 PM
At least Andrew passes(the flu)to LO. LOL
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | December 07, 2007 at 05:44 PM
Mike,
I don't think Kwame wants to come back. He's definitely not going to rush it. He has to stay healthy for his next contract, while he waits until his expiring contract is shipped out. Fortunately, for him, Anderson Varajeo is still a Cav and just got 17 mill over 2 years. That's pretty much him with less hair and passion.
Posted by: wondahbap | December 07, 2007 at 05:46 PM
Come on now...there has to be a laker fan hospital administrator willing to bend the rules a little and give our team flu shots lol.
Crack health team?
Faith
Posted by: Faith | December 07, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Mike T,
As much as I disdain Kwame's offensive blunders and game(that's putting it mildly) I see where you're coming from as far as defense is concerned. Having him back healthy will give us three bigs to combat teams that rely solely on one big(Howard, Stoudemire, Duncan and Yao). He and Bynum provide a good one-two punch at the center spot and provide a nice change of pace for our Lakers. I've never liked Mihm's game even when he played for Texas, but I think he's useful in some situations and may get time at the 4 spot with Kwame's return. While I'll never be excited about Kwame's offensive game, we need him and everyone else healthy to make our TEAM deeper and stronger as the season goes on. Sounds like Turiaf got more touches than Andrew in practice today, damn guys at least pass it to Drew in practice!!! LOL! Have a good one Mike T.
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | December 07, 2007 at 06:01 PM
Faith,
Good one about the flu shots. LOL
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | December 07, 2007 at 06:08 PM
Jazz at Spurs 6:30 on ESPN..
That's a lot great role players all on the same court. Tune in and see how it's done:-)
Posted by: HAB | December 07, 2007 at 06:19 PM
AK
Dude, V-8 is the bomb. Don't diss the nectar of the gods.
Posted by: SBPimp | December 07, 2007 at 06:45 PM
flu shots don't work.
raw garlic does.....
while Drew is really the guy at center, we do need the "big body" cakeboy back. keep healing Kwame.
i thought the trade for Trevor was going to be big, and so far, it looks like it will be. don't be fooled folks, if this team keeps learning from their mistakes and stays healthy and on the same page as the coaching staff, we're going to the finals...
Posted by: man | December 07, 2007 at 07:23 PM
Nemaia Faletogo,
"Have a good one Mike T."
With the Rock's cocked-eyed stare....OK!
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | December 07, 2007 at 07:30 PM
HAB - Actually, it's 43-41 in the Jazz vs Spurs right now, the Jazz leading, and I see two stars (Boozer and Deron Williams) and their team versus two other stars (Parker and Ginobili) and their team.
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | December 07, 2007 at 07:38 PM
So I'm watching the Spurs/Jazz game and they got the coaches miked up under these new rules... and Pop yells a very audible bulls&*t, haha (re: a non-call).
This business of miking coaches is idiotic as far as I'm concerned. We don't need to be in that inner sanctum and it only hurts the game.
Posted by: dave m | December 07, 2007 at 07:42 PM
MikeT,
I know you are getting excited about Kwame coming back but a little clue for you, the Lakers are going to take advantage of the expiring contract. Kwame is as good as gone and Laker Mgt doesn't care how big his calves are. Don't you think Laker Mgt knows by now the Big 3 of Kobe, Odom and Kwame experiment has failed after 3 plus years? Smush, Cook and Kwame in that order its in the cards, you can't see it? If you were Buss after all that has happened wouldn't you look at trading Odom and Kwame to get that final piece? I know I would. If Kwame is as good as you make him out to be I am sure there are lot of GM's out there just waiting for the chance to trade for Kwame. Thou I doubt that.
BD
Posted by: BD | December 07, 2007 at 07:48 PM
The way Lamar falls down sideways going to the lane sometimes makes me think he shoulda had a V8.
Posted by: J. Walter Weatherman | December 07, 2007 at 08:00 PM
Mike T
"With the Rock's cocked-eyed stare....OK!"
Good one Mike, LOL!!! "If you SMELLLLLLLLLLLLL..." the cake that Kwame's throwing...LOL
Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | December 07, 2007 at 08:22 PM
Mike T - are you going to Kwame's New Year's Eve bash?
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | December 07, 2007 at 08:35 PM
MAKING AND DEFENDING THE 3-POINT SHOT…
There was an interesting quote from Phil Jackson in Broderick Turner’s latest article for the Riverside Press Enterprise. In the article, Turner quotes the Lakers coach as follows:
“"I'm beginning to think that three-point shooting is the difference in ballgames in the NBA," Jackson said. "Teams that shoot well from the three-point line, they are having great success...We shot well from the three-point line and it made a difference."
We’ve seen how the 3-point shot has dramatically transformed the game of basketball. Today, two of the elite teams in the league have unique approaches to the 3-point shot. The Phoenix Suns run-and-gun offense is specifically designed to get wide open 3-point shots in transition. The result is a high powered offense that leads the league with the best 3-point shooting percentage. On the flip side, the world champion San Antonio Spurs defensive strategy is based on NOT allowing opponents to get wide open three point shots, fully acknowledging how much momentum hitting 3-pointers generates.
While I am not ready to support our pumping up 3-point shots on offense like Phoenix, I definitely would like to see the Lakers adopt the Spurs philosophy of staying home on defense to prevent teams from getting wide open 3-point shots. One of the most frustrating aspects of the Lakers current defensive strategy in my mind is that we too often leave open 3-point shooters while trying to collapse and help on defense. This strategy leaves us open to losing games whenever the other team gets hot from the 3-point line such as in the Orlando game
One reason that San Antonio is able to stick with opponents’ 3-point shooters is the excellent interior help defense that Duncan and their center play. With Andrew starting to patrol the lane with better help defense, we definitely have the opportunity to copy the way that San Antonio’s perimeter defenders stay with their man rather than trying to double team a penetrating guard. That strategy is how the Spurs downed the Suns in the playoffs and how the Lakers have always seemed to play well against the Suns.
More pick-and-roll on offense. More staying with the 3-point shooters on defense.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | December 07, 2007 at 08:40 PM
Mike T
"- are you going to Kwame's New Year's Eve bash?"
Are you kidding me? They charge an arm and a leg for things like that. I can barely afford the cable to watch Laker game muchless some big bash.
Nemaia Faletogo,
LOL! All this talk about cake makes me want to eat a custered pie. Damn, that stuff is good. I ate a whole pie the other day. Now I have to work out to keep the stomach down.
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | December 07, 2007 at 09:49 PM
Jackie Johnson...have a good weekend!
Be good!
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | December 07, 2007 at 09:50 PM
For HAB - I think Manu Ginobili qualifies as a star.
Posted by: Amazing_Happens | December 07, 2007 at 10:05 PM
Party? What party? LOL!
Will there be chicken breasts at the party? If yes...well send me my invite.
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | December 07, 2007 at 10:14 PM
Interesting discussion as we're 20 games into the season...
look at the western conference standings:
1.SA 17-3
2.Phoenix 16-4
3.Utah 13-7
4.New Orleans 13-7
5. Denver 12-8
6. Dallas 12-8
7.Lakers 11-8
8.Golden State 11-8
9. Houston 11-9
Someone's not getting in.....Any thoughts? My prediction is it's New Orleans, Goldens State and the Lakers battling it out for the seventh and eighth spots, barring injuries. I know the Lakers have beaten the Nuggets twice, but it's a long season with lots of games. Who's not getting in?
Posted by: 10milliondollarzen | December 07, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Lakertom
"One reason that San Antonio is able to stick with opponents’ 3-point shooters is the excellent interior help defense that Duncan and their center play. With Andrew starting to patrol the lane with better help defense, we definitely have the opportunity to copy the way that San Antonio’s perimeter defenders stay with their man rather than trying to double team a penetrating guard. That strategy is how the Spurs downed the Suns in the playoffs and how the Lakers have always seemed to play well against the Suns."
Yeah Andrew is getting better and really having a complete game. Kwame can not patrol the lane, can he? I remember the series with the Suns he was back pedalling everytime Steve Nash drive pass him. Nash gets a lay up on Kwame, afoul, or an assist. I do not think Kwame can protect the rim. A ll these Phil talk about kwame, is marketing startegy to raise some value to a NO NBA TEAM want Kwame. Phil has to pretend kwame is being missed in the middle to create an imagination that Kwame is a presence in the middle, even if he is not.
Smush, Coook, Kwame.... it's pretty clear what the Lakers are doing. Nuf said. Lakers are on the right track, It's great to see the huge improvements in the roster the Lakers managemnent is doing, impressive!
Posted by: Staples 24 | December 08, 2007 at 12:30 AM
Amazing,
>>>I think Manu Ginobili qualifies as a star.
What about Parker? Do you now agree that he is more of a great ROLE PLAYER than a STAR?
Why do you think Ginobili is a star? Because he scored a lot of points? I think I can sorta verbalize now why I think he is not a star but a solid role player.
Posted by: HAB | December 08, 2007 at 01:13 AM
Although Kwame rarely scores, he can still be an offensive threat with his size. Just backing up opponents can leave them tired. I can also see opponents having a difficult time trying to box him out for a rebound. Let's face it, Kwame is our strongest player on the team. Bynum is not much of a physical player as Kwame and Mihm is practically a weakling.
Posted by: never | December 08, 2007 at 02:03 AM
I predict the Lakers to most likely go 5-3 in the next 8 games.
There's still a good chance they can go 6-2.
5-3 6-2
Warriors (Win) (Win)
Spurs (Lose) (Lose)
Warriors (Lose) (Win)
Clippers (Win) (Win)
Bulls (Win) (Win)
Cavs (Lose) (Lose)
76ers (Win) (Win)
Knicks (Win) (Win)
Bad news.. they face the Suns, Jazz, and Boston consecutively after the knicks. They, thus, can likely go 5-6 during those 11 games.
Posted by: never | December 08, 2007 at 02:15 AM
pls add me to 55 win bandwagon
Posted by: waaadooo | December 08, 2007 at 02:56 AM
Staples24,
You are absolutely right about Kwame. Nash just toys with him. Kwame looks so confused letting that midget constantly throw runners over his head. Nash just knows Kwame is too afraid to step out. Half speed at that. He's good for body on body, with a player with his back to the basket.
Posted by: wondahbap | December 08, 2007 at 03:48 AM
exhelodrvr
"Zombots" - what a powerful word! It really rolls off the tongue nicely. I'd love to see these creatures in some movie...
(Yeah, I know it's a late statement, but I had to plow through a couple of blogs first...)
Posted by: Andy L | December 08, 2007 at 05:38 AM
About the Kidd trade, don't you folks know that it ain't gonna happen? When did a rumour turn out to be true the last time??? I'm really sad to say this 'cause I'd love to have Kidd on the team.
About the last game, a "great game"??? My ass! We're lucky Denver played like turds. How many layups did we blow? How much did Lamar disappear? And most importantly: how many points did we allow? Gotta give credit to Snowboardovic though, he finally did what he's paid to do! I wish he could keep it up but we all know he won't... And it's sad that the LAT staff (K-bros excluded) refuses to acknowledge Kobe's greatness when reporters in Denver see the obvious.
Posted by: Andy L | December 08, 2007 at 05:51 AM
K-Bros(or anyone else who knows): Do you know the status of Marc Gasol and Sun Yu? Do we keep their rights forever or do we have to sign them to a contract by a certain time?
I see that Marc Gasol is at 17+ppg and 7+rbg in the Euro league. I'd like to see what he could here. He's got to be better than Mihm.
Also, can we sign him in the middle of the season or is he locked in with his Euro contract?
Posted by: rdlee | December 08, 2007 at 07:19 AM
10milliondollarzen,
you wrote: 1.SA 17-3
2.Phoenix 16-4
3.Utah 13-7
4.New Orleans 13-7
5. Denver 12-8
6. Dallas 12-8
7.Lakers 11-8
8.Golden State 11-8
9. Houston 11-9
followed by someone's not getting in.
My response. The Lakers are 5th seed going into the playoffs.
My rationale: Last year the Lakers lost a ton of games based upon
poor choices made Smush, injuries, and lack of offensive ability/
confidence. Also a lack of defense. Fish is a *GOOD* pg, a 3 time
champion, & clutch! Farmar is fulfilling the promise he showed
last year and with Fish to mentor him we can only expect him to
get better. J-Crit is getting a chance to *learn* from Fish as well.
A good pg last year would have made a tremendous difference
last year and gotten us a different seed. If we had played Utah
last year in the first round, we could have beaten them. [ barring
injuries. ]
We were also weak at C due to injuries and youth. We also
couldn't sign anyone because of no space on the roster.
This year, Bynum is much better offensively and *seems* to
be getting better defensively with more playing time. Mihm is
trying, which is more than he was able to do last year. Kwame
is injured. again.
So the Lakers have improved significantly at both positions that they
sucked at last year. The bench seems to be much improved over
last year. The forward position is better, *I* think, with the trade of
Cook for Ariza. We've upgraded on defense
I'd be very curious to hear the thoughts of Bynum right now. What
does it mean to him to have "Kobe" say "Ship his ass out" and then
this year to have Kobe feeding him the ball on a regular basis? What
does it mean to Farmar or Vlad or Lamar or Luke to see Kobe with a
wide open look at the basket and instead of Kobe shooting his
passing them the ball? ON THE REGULAR!
I would be very curious to know if Kobe's asking to be traded has
motivated anyone. It would suck to be playing with *arguably* the
best player in basketball & know that he left your team because
*YOU* stink at basketball! The insult to injury would be that he gets
traded and immediately wins a championship.
BTW, did I miss the exit of Gunner? He was so prolific with "Kobe is
a cancer" ...
Posted by: hobbitmage | December 08, 2007 at 08:07 AM
Kupcake haters -- Mitch is proving you generally wrong. Its easy to criticize or say who to trade. Its more difficult to identify the player to trade for that will contribute more to the Lakers than the player traded. So far Mitch has done an outstanding job.
Yes Mitch has made mistakes. , signing Smush Parker was a wasted 2 years.
Trading Carron for Kwame? Good trade at the time. Good trade for the Lakers now. Lakers had nothing at center (Mihm) after the Shaq trade. Carron is statistically better, but Kwame gives Lakers what they need size, strength in the middle.
Lakers have 2nd youngest NBA roster with top tier 20 year old talent Bynum, Farmar, Critter.
They have shooters Vlade, Sasha and possibly Farmar and Dfish at times.
Inside: Kwame, Drew
Point: Fish, Farmar
and now a defensive menace in Ariza.
Along with the best player on the 3rd rock Kobe Bean Bryant .
Ariza should make a huge impact against golden state. He may be able to slow Baron Davis.
Not sure LO should be traded. He consistently rebounds and defends pretty well too. Offensively, Lakers don't need him as a second scoring option. He is the third option. Drew Bynum is the 2nd option. Lamar still hasn't learned how to consistently score from certain spots on the floor. He is a 10% 3 pt shooter who shoots 3's.
Posted by: Todd | December 08, 2007 at 09:04 AM
Mitch is proving you haters generally wrong. Its easy to criticize or say who to trade. Its more difficult to identify the player to trade for that will contribute more to the Lakers than the player traded. So far Mitch has done an outstanding job.
Yes Mitch has made mistakes. , signing Smush Parker was a wasted 2 years.
Trading Carron for Kwame? Good trade at the time. Good trade for the Lakers now. Lakers had nothing at center (Mihm) after the Shaq trade. Carron is statistically better, but Kwame gives Lakers what they need size, strength in the middle.
Lakers have 2nd youngest NBA roster with top tier 20 year old talent Bynum, Farmar, Critter.
They have shooters Vlade, Sasha and possibly Farmar and Dfish at times.
Inside: Kwame, Drew
Point: Fish, Farmar
and now a defensive menace in Ariza.
Along with the best player on the 3rd rock Kobe Bean Bryant .
Ariza should make a huge impact against golden state. He may be able to slow Baron Davis.
Not sure LO should be traded. He consistently rebounds and defends pretty well too. Offensively, Lakers don't need him as a second scoring option. He is the third option. Drew Bynum is the 2nd option. Lamar still hasn't learned how to consistently score from certain spots on the floor. He is a 10% 3 pt shooter who shoots 3's.
Posted by: Todd | December 08, 2007 at 09:07 AM
HAB,
Ginobli has a PER of 30.65. That's not a "solid role player", that's an MVP candidate.
Posted by: McGarnagle | December 08, 2007 at 09:15 AM
Why is it that Manu can drive only to his left, fall down, get the call, and LO can't?
Manu's not faster, not longer, but he can make the brush of a jersey look like a blow to the chest from Mike Tyson. He spins with the contact [even if there isn't any] and never gets called for the offensive foul.
Given we live in a city that is known for such things, you'd think LO could get his "act" together and get a few more calls. And while he's at it, learn to shoot as well as Manu so it's easier to drive in the first place.
Posted by: Vman | December 08, 2007 at 09:22 AM
Andy L,
"I'd love to see these creatures in some movie..."
Maybe we could get the K brothers to turn the blog into a movie about them!!
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 08, 2007 at 10:06 AM
1st of all people..lets not all of sudden preach basketball then 5mins later act as if oblivious to the game. Kwama let Nash run roughshod cuz that was his assignment. It was obvious that Phil told him do not leave you man..if he penetrates "Do not leave Amari for no reason at all"..hense the reason for all of his uncontested layups. We played an unconventional type of defense against the Sun..and how many time have yall screamed at the tv yelling "DANG STOP COLLAPSING ON NASH AND LEAVING YOUR MAN WIDE OPEN..LET HIM WIN THE GAME IF HIS BACK CAN HOLD UP". Lets get it together folks..we won the game at 85% strength...geesss
Posted by: lakeraholic | December 08, 2007 at 10:15 AM
HAB,
Get over calling great players like Ginobili, Parker, Williams and Boozer role players. If you can't watch a great player at work and see that they're a stud than you either don't know basketball or you're over thinking.
Ginobili is the best player for one of the best team's in the world (Argentina National Team) and the second-best player on the best NBA team.
If it was a coach's system that makes players great than the Lakers, who are coached by one of the best coaches ever and the Heat, coached by Pat Riley, would be two of the best teams in the NBA. Instead the Lakers are in the middle of the pack in the West and Miami has the second worst record in the league.
It takes a combination of coaching and talent to win in this league. The Spurs have three of the top 20 players in the league and have one of the three best coaches AND have some of the best role players. It's no wonder why they're 17-3 and have to be the favorites to win their fifth NBA title.
Posted by: Xodus | December 08, 2007 at 10:47 AM
look, kwam's not the starter, but to say that he doesn't help this team is wrong. of course, if he wasn't so distracted, he could add so much to his game, but he's still someone we need. this is still a big man's game. it's a real luxury having three 7 footers with complementary skills(just becuase you open the game, doesn't make you "the man").
get a big, strong, enforcer power forward with a nice 15 footer and Kwame can go....
still, if they are healthy and play the game that the coaching staff has given them, if they spend the season perfecting that scheme(this coach does know how to plan and implement a winning strategy, if the players are willing), then there's not a team in the league that can stop us with the team's current lineup. whatever you have on us, we got something nasty to counter with the major one-up coup de grace, the top killer in the league Mr Kobe Bryant.
these guys have a lot to prove and a lot of work ahead, but if they actually do that work, we're going to be among the top contenders every year until the Mayans and their stupid calender loving followers(zombies) mess everything up.
have a good day and be glad you team doesn't suck and might be great by the end of the season...
Posted by: man | December 08, 2007 at 10:48 AM
Hobbitimage,
not sure if i agree that the Lakes are better in a meaningful way this year, at least in terms of their place in the conferene. On the floor, Bynum has showed improvement, obviously, but it's of the two to four points a game variety, and he still hasn't proved he can stay on the floor long enough for total impact (and remember, 2/3 of last season, Bynum was almost equally strong). Improvement at pg is there, along with better attititude at that position, so, yeah, they're a little better. ....That being said, most of these nine teams in the western conference that'll battle for 8 playoff spots have improved as well, and while it could be argued that the Lakers could wind up with a seed as high as #4, I still think over the long haul they're a tad worse than Denver, Houston and Dallas, and in the same realm as GS and New Orleans, which for me makes it very possible they miss the playoffs entirely. I'd still peg them in at 6, 7 or 8, but wouldn't be shocked if they were unlucky number 9.
Posted by: 10milliondollarzen | December 08, 2007 at 11:10 AM
Vman,
I will say that Manu is deceptively quick. I definitely think he has a quicker first step than LO. Plus like you said Manu's a far superior jump shooter and you have to respect that.
Posted by: Xodus | December 08, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Sunday nights at Staples Center have not been kind to the Lakers or late. This Sunday's visit by Golden State could be challenging as well.
With Walton, Mihm, Turiaf, and Kobe all fighting injuries of one kind or another, their athletic, fast breaking opponents will challenge the Lakers to play a full, solid 48 minutes. The Warriors have six players on the roster scoring in double figures, so Defense (as usual) will be an issue. We'll be fighting Andris Biedrins for rebounds whenever he's on the floor.
Sunday night's game will be another test of character for the Lakers. After a 2-0 road trip, will the Lakers let their guard down on their home court? Or will they pick up where they left off and bring their will to win? It's been such an up and down season, we just don't know.
We never know which Lamar will show up. Will he be aggressive? Can he play more smart than stupid? At least now Ariza has demonstrated he can play valuable minutes if the wrong Lamar shows up
What has been evident is that the team has rediscovered its chemistry, especially the Bench Mob. Hopefully, Phil will put in rotations that maximize how each unit performs.
The Staples crowd has not been reluctant to boo when the team performs below expectations. We'd all welcome a return to true Home Court Advantage on Sunday.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | December 08, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Hobbitimage
I agree totally with you on your assesment of this years team. As far as I am concerned we could finish as high as 3rd this year. One thing you didnt mention is schedule. Last year it was home heavy early and this year its more balanced. And we have not played very many bad teams yet this year. Our schedule has been the toughest in the NBA. We will start getting more games against some of the weaker teams and if we take care of business then we should put together some nice winning streaks.
MH
Posted by: michael.hinrich | December 08, 2007 at 11:38 AM
10mill,
"not sure if i agree that the Lakes are better in a meaningful way this year, at least in terms of their place in the conferene"
Absolutely - improvement is relative. No way the Lakers are a top 4 team in the West now, and as you noted, they could be fighting for a playoff spot in the spring. (Missing the playoffs would not be the worst thing that could happen to them, as long as it doesn't make Kobe leave.)
They could conceivably be playing at a top 4-5 level by the end of the season if they get reasonable intra-season improvement (relating to their current level of play) from the majority of Bynum, Farmar, Vlad, Ariza, Walton, Mihm, Turiaf. I think they are all capable of it. Kwame coming back reasonably healthy will also help, although I don't anticipate any improvement in his or Odom's play (or Kobe or Fisher, from the other end of the spectrum.)
Posted by: exhelodrvr | December 08, 2007 at 12:16 PM
It's a great day in Laker Land, Smush is no longer on the team and Bynum is becoming a MONSTER. Oh is it great being a Laker Fan. And another great thing, management is not done yet, a trade is coming, its in the air you can smell it.. Dec 15 can't get here fast enough.. Will it be Odom, Kwame, both, Luke, Critt...I hope it's not Critt thou.. Keep all the KIDS and somehow someway find a young power forward with some meaness...
Go Lakers and cut off the head of Golden State on Sunday.
I wonder if the kid from Britian has a chance tonight...That would be an upset
BD
Posted by: bd | December 08, 2007 at 12:29 PM
Xodus,
Having a discussion (argument) with someone who thinks Deron Williams, Carlos Boozer, Manu Ginobli, and Tony Parker are slightly above average or role players is absolutely a waste of your time. Seriously, scrubbing a toilet or doing laundry is much better time spent than participating in that argument.
Role players, hmph.
Posted by: Andrew Z | December 08, 2007 at 12:39 PM
Rdlee,
The Lakers have to eventually sign Gasol or Yue to a contract, but it's not for a couple years or so. Right now, it's not worth bringing over Gasol. Mihm isn't the greatest option for big PT (although he did actually play pretty well on the Minny/Denver roadie and I think he may continue starting, as it's easier on his ankle), but Kwame should be back reasonably soon. Once that happens, Mihm's minutes will be limited, anyway. Bringing in Gasol for this stretch would be the equivalent of putting a guy on a 10-day contract, except once the Lakers sign him, the minute they waive him or just don't resign him past this season, they lose his rights.
Unless they're positive he's ready to contribute as we speak (which I'm doubting is the case), they're better off keeping him in Europe and letting him improve. The Lakers drafted him as a long term project, so there's no reason to alter the plan. If they're really hurting for size, find a Dale Davis-type and bring him in.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | December 08, 2007 at 12:46 PM