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Tuesday there was a game, Wednesday reaction to it.  Thursday, the Lakers Universe got back to the same subject that has dominated every purple and gold conversation since the start of the summer.  KobeWatch! was in high gear, in the form of reaction to Magic Johnson's comments during TNT's broadcast Tuesday night, and reports that Kobe himself has vetoed potential deals to Chicago that would bring the Lakers Luol Deng in return.  In other trade news, Mark Cuban says the Mavs are out, and a potential three-way deal that would net the Lakers Ron Artest and Ben Wallace for Kobe isn't going to happen.  (Feel free to take a moment to exhale in relief.) 

Kings Prez Geoff Petrie told the Sacto Bee that rumors of the three-way deal were erroneous, and that his team wasn't involved.  (Interesting note in there about how no NBA team will ever grant another player a no-trade clause.)  Not that he'd say otherwise, of course.  Another avenue for creating some movement could be a sign and trade with Bulls FA forward PJ Brown, but Brown's agent says nobody has contacted him about that sort of thing.  Not that he'd say otherwise, of course.  Meanwhile, the deadline for Ben Gordon and Deng to sign extensions with the Bulls passed without any ink on dotted lines -- are they ever really dotted anymore? -- meaning both are more easily moved than they would be had they signed.

Meanwhile, there was some more news on the home front, and not a lot of it was good.  If you were wondering where Dr. Jerry Buss was on opening night, the answer was ... well, not at Staples.  The team's owner was suspended for two games by David Stern in connection with Buss' conviction on a misdemeanor drunken-driving charge. 

The news wasn't much better for Lamar Odom, who was involved in a two-car accident Tuesday night on his way to the game.  It is believed that Odom ran a red light and hit a Downey woman's car, suffering a slight concussion and sending the woman to a hospital, where she was in stable condition Wednesday.

The boos Kobe absorbed Tuesday were still a topic of conversation at practice Wednesday.  Kobe reiterated that he wasn't worried about it, and that he was happy folks seemed to come around by the end

 
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Duane,

that was brilliant and I like what you said to GINO and Andrew Z

Let's keep Kobe

Great blog entry from Chris Brussard of ESPN


The Lakers should not trade Kobe Bryant this season. Period.
They need to put an end to this circus ASAP, and they should do so by coming out publicly and saying Kobe will remain with the Lakers, that they're no longer listening to offers.
The offers they've been getting are a joke. The latest talk, as reported on Wednesday, by my colleague Ric Bucher, had them receiving Ben Wallace and Ron Artest in a three-way crash with Chicago and Sacramento.
And that makes the Lakers better how?
David Stern should take the franchise away from Jerry Buss if he makes that deal. In fact, he should fine him for even considering it.
First of all, Big Ben is not the Big Ben of old. He's just old. Yes, he's still a good player, but he's no longer a major impact player, certainly not on a nightly basis. At its height, Ben's game was based on athleticism, and with that declining due to age, Ben is ordinary on many nights. Plus, he's owed $28.5 million the next two seasons after this one.
Do I even have to discuss the red flags attached to Artest?
You're going to trade Kobe to alleviate turmoil by bringing in the King of Disruption? It took a new coaching staff, several trades and a couple of years before Indiana even began to work its way out of the mess Artest left them in.
I don't mind bringing Artest to L.A. if Kobe's there, but without Kobe, I don't touch him.
My point is that the Lakers are not being offered anything of substance for Kobe. Teams are trying to get him on the cheap.
Not even Chicago's best offer, which would include Deng, excites me. Put this exact Chicago team in the West and they're a lower-rung playoff team at best. I'm not so sure they're better than a healthy New Orleans squad. They definitely don't have a Chris Paul or a Tyson Chandler.
Plus, the Bulls' players (who would become Lakers players) don't have the pizzazz the fans in L.A. like to see.
Throw in the fact that Kobe is nixing any deal that includes Deng (because he wants to play with him in Chicago), and I see absolutely no reason to deal with the Bulls.
John Paxson is correct to try and do everything he can to get Kobe, especially if he can keep Deng too, but the Lakers need to chill.
Again if I'm L.A., I tell Kobe, "We're keeping you.'' At the very least, I say, "Unless you waive your no-trade clause, we won't move you.''
There is plenty of time to smooth this whole thing over. Kobe can't opt out for nearly two years.
Remember how bad things were between Phil Jackson and Kobe a few years ago? Phil blasted him in a book for crying out loud!
But over time, Phil eventually became Kobe's confidante. Given time -- and a little bit of success on the court (which is not out of the question judging by the Lakers' opening night performance) -- this can be worked out, too.
And keep an eye on Jermaine O'Neal. Let's see how he fits into Jim O'Brien's new, up-tempo, trey-heavy offense. O'Neal's not happy in Indy, and he's one of the few remaining reminders of the aforementioned "Artest Nightmare.''
If Indy continues to play well, and O'Neal's not a big factor in their success, maybe the Pacers will be willing to send him to L.A. without getting Andrew Bynum in return. The Lakers could at least explore a three- or four-team deal that might enable them to keep Bynum and get O'Neal.
Kobe, while he still wanted to be traded, was actually behaving very professionally before Buss came out and publicly said the Lakers are open to trading him. That's when he began to sulk, and the circus started anew.
Also, if Kobe remains unhappy this season, the Lakers will probably get better offers around the draft.
And remember, when Kobe can opt-out of his deal in 2009, it's not like a lot of teams will have the cap room to sign him for $20 million plus per year, certainly not many good teams that are ready to compete for a championship.
By then, Kobe will be almost 32 years old with 13 NBA seasons under his belt. Plus, almost two seasons worth of playoff games. I'm sure he'll still have a couple of great years left, but his best days will almost certainly be behind him.
Just to put that type of wear-and-tear into perspective, Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons with the Chicago Bulls, plus two seasons worth of playoff games.
My point is that Kobe's opt-out clause won't give him as much leverage as he thinks it will.
And while few teams ever go this route, what's wrong with letting Kobe walk after two years (if he insists on doing so) and getting nothing back in return?
Obviously, he's a great talent, but rather than get chumped in a sign-and-trade deal, why not just let his $21 million roll off their payroll? Lamar Odom's contract will end that year as well, giving the Lakers plenty of cap room to work with.
Bynum, if he's ever going to be anything, will be balling by then, and you could add top-notch free agent pieces. Everyone wants to play in L.A.
Remember, LeBron will be able to opt out of his deal the year after that in 2010. If Cleveland can't put the right pieces around him (you know, I hope they can), who's to say LeBron won't be ready to go rejuvenate the Lakers.
Bottom line is this: If I'm the Lakers, I don't let Kobe push me around and trade him just because he's unhappy.
Dr. Buss has clearly taken this thing personally, but he has to be smart enough to make the right business decision.
And that's to tell Kobe and the world that he's off the market.


Andrew Z

That new team idea looks like the old Portland Trailblazers without Scottie Pippen.

That would be a collection of guys going nowhere.

Keep Kobe and figure something better out.

I truly think the deals some of us liked in the summer will be able to happen this winter.

We should have gotten Ricky Davis as GINO said but we're just not smart like other franchises.

I can't even say the Spurs.
We're dummer than the Wizards.
See Navaro trade this summer as well as the Kwame Brown heist!!!!

Andrew Z

"If that deal was made we could turn Thomas or Noah, Kwame, PJ Brown and draft picks into Jermaine O'Neal."

again you keep giving management way too much credit.....why?

THANK YOU MAGIC for SPEAKING THE TRUTH
and calling out LAKERS mgmt and KOBE.

Let's all get back together and do it the right way.

ONE VOICE!!!!

HAB

"Seems like former superstars can't make it as coaches or GM's."

There was a guy named West that made a fairly good GM. They didn't call them super stars when he played, but he was one.

ANdrew Z

Who would you cut from the present roster to bring in all those players?

Considering the deals the FO has made since Jim became head of basketball operations, what makes you think he'd do well with the flexibility he'd be left with?

An end to this frustration would be nice, but since the other half of the dramatic debacle would remain, I think frustration would also remain.
It would be out of the national spotlight as would the team.

Duane,
About half of the cap money "saved" from Kobe opting out and Lamar's contract expiring would go towards the amount the team is currently over the cap by. So there would be a reasonable amount available, but not a whole lot.

LT,

you have to look no further than the last game against the Rockets.

On several consecutive possession, Kobe bravely drives into the paint with 3 or 4 defenders just waiting for him under the basket. Luke is wide open on the arc and waiving his arms, Ronny is 17 feet away on the other side, also waiving, but Kobe is steadfast.

That happened again and again. Luke and Ronny finally stopped waiving and getting to their favorite spots. Arms hanging. All of a sudden, sometime in the middle of the 4th, my goodness, the unimaginable occurs. Kobe drives into the crowded paint as usual, but this time, instead of putting up a circus attempt, he turns around and sees Luke standing innocently 3 feet behind the arc, this time facing the basket directly. He passes. Luke appears completely shocked and can barely raise his arms in time to catch the rock. He puts it up and misses. LUKE SUCKS. Why can't the FO get some good shooters to help Kobe out.

If a team "buys out" someone's contract, what does that do for the salary cap for the final years of the contract?

Hey, anyone else sick of the crazy Kobe coverage? I watched the ESPN pregame show, both games, both half time shows, both post game shows and the NBA TV basketball daily.

Anytime an announcer talked for more than 2 minutes at a time, Kobe was mentioned. It was awful. The only insight was that nixed 3-way trade that apparently the Lakers didn't like because of Ben Wallace's ability to play in the triangle, lol. We all know that there are so many other important reasons that that trade sucks it's ridiculous. And I happen to really like Artest's game and think Phil could work with him.

I'm ready to trade Kobe to Chicago and make him happy, in turn giving him a few more championships. But, it's only because I've been battered into submission. Deep down, I still want to keep him and ditch Lamar, Kwame, and Cook. I wouldn't mind losing Bynum too.

With his traffic accident, Odom once again demonstrates lack of focus just like when he walked the ball ontot he court last season. While I'm most glad he and his victim were okay (let's keep things in perspective), I think this event further demonstrates his lack of focus. And it was a problem before his child tragically died.


HAB,

Kobe loves it when his teammates do well. One game in the last two years when he fouled and Sasha stepped up, making shots and a lot of freethrows to win the game, Kobe was ultra-positive about it. When Smush made his desperation 3 and got a key steal, Kobe said that his team had made a real breakthrough and made sure to grab and talk right into Smush's head that he made the win possible even if he didn't have the gamewinner. That Smush was essential to the win.

While Kobe thrives under pressure, he is consistently thrilled when his teammates get game winners and heaps them with praise. The guy wants to win, period, and he loves having someone else make it happen once in a while.

Oh, and it's Boobie (or Booby), not Boody for Daniel Gibson's nickname, not that you should be bothered to pay attention to all those little details, especially ones that contradict your point.

HAB

wow LAKER TRUTH just put you in your place...how does that feel?

Posted by: bob | November 01, 2007 at 11:34 AM


It hurts! Ouch! What's you hubby's name anyway, Bob?

Good God Xodus, we're not going to have that argument again, are we? Can we just agreee to disagree this time?

Andrew Z, I'm not sure that the Lakers would do that, because they end up with way too many players. Unless you knew where you were going to move them right away, you'd end up cutting people.

Gino, that line-up you're proposing has a bunch of people playing out of position. It's pretty odd to look at.

There are some players, who by their inate leadership abilities, bring out better play from players. The great coaches do the same thing, even though they aren't on the floor. These individuals, who are rare, bring out confidence.

I remember in a recent hiring situation, we asked the interviewers a question about each job candidate: "Is this the type of leader you would go into battle with?" The reason is that some people are better at making people feel like everything is in control and all is possible.

I think MJ had that. Magic, too.

I don't think Kobe does. Not a knock, just a reality. Truth is, those types of people are extremely rare.

the WOLF

"jason your right, but peolpe here are thick-headed. they are fanatical kobe worshippers when kobe is the one who wants to go. NOBODY wants kobe gone but him. there are a few here that realize this."

does the mean you want kobe to stay? if he says he wants to stay then you are cool with him staying?

The Lakers have to make a concrete decision either way to end all this nonsense, period. While I don't like the way Kobe came out during the summer, just keep an eye on LeBron if he falls into the same situation. If Cleveland doesn't surround LeBron with a better supporting cast, he will be just as frustrated as Kobe is right now. It was mentioned on ESPN that LeBron is not happy with how things have gone with Varejao and Pavlovic. Stay tuned. Nuff said, Hulk smash!!!

Duane,

Regardless of the circumstances, the fact is Kobe is demanding to be traded and has refused the Lakers' pleas for him to remain. As an organization, what else can you do but trade him?

And Tuesday night we got a glimpse of what we could expect if management tries to go against Kobe's wishes and keep him: 30+ shots per night, everyone else standing around, and absolutely no development of the younger players (how can they develop if they stand around and watch Kobe shoot).

Exactly what do we think that's going to do for our team? How are we going to win? And how are we going to acquire any better players with this sort of thing going on? What top player is going to want to come and watch Kobe shoot 35 times a game, and after two years opt-out and leave?

What you need to realize is that we're past the point of no return with Kobe. His mind is made up that he wants out, he's going to play all for himself as long as he's here, and no top player is going to come here as long as he's here.

No matter who you want to blame, that's the situation. And as far as I can see, the only way out is either Kobe undergoes a massive personalilty change, or we trade him....and I'm not very optimistic about the former.

Andrew Z,

I think most of us agree that this can't go on. Especially after I heard about that 3-team deal. Before yesterday I still had an unwarranted ounce or two of hope that this could all be resolved, but seeing an actual deal on the table woke me up. It'd be pretty interesting if we could turn some of those young guys we get in potential Bulls trade into Jermaine O'Neal, but do you really think the Busses and Kupchak have the chops to pull such a deal off?

I certainly don't.

lakers_sth,

I agree. But too many people act like Michael mere presence on the court made guys better.

Mamba 24,

You said I'm your mentor but I consider you my idol. You know that I don't idolize anyone but I learn to feel your emotions, your style of reaching to everyone and your creativity in making this blog rocks. i will take you advice to wear a sweater but it's not yet time to call for abandon ship!

As I told you before, let's hang on...don't let the media fool you. The boos are show of affection, address to a prodigal son; "Mamba, Why do you want to immigrate when you have the best fans in the world?" They can't stand the news that Mamba is not happy, hustling on the outside but crying on the inside!

Don't leave, let's observe more how the cocks croak 3x more, we don't know where the truth leads. Observe how the garbage are recycled? Don't leave, it's not fishin' time yet. Christmas will still be comin', "W" will be leavin' the White House soon, the bright days are ahead of us. Wait and observe.

We've just gone through with the season of waiting....
We're now in the season of wondering...
If things don't improve, we have another job: Let's campaign for everyone to leave the rotten dump of nobodies. Don't let Jimbo & Cupcake escape scott-free!

Then and only then, we can leave freely with our own volition that we were the Lakers of yesteryears, the Lakers of tomorrow and the Lakers forever FREE from the clutches of the BUMS Jimbo and Cupcake, no longer divided in our winning tradition for Purple & Gold.

AS much as I love Kobe Bean Bryant, I'm a LAKER FAN first !! We've been written off in the late 70's and all or most of thre 90's. I've heard all thw criticism in those days but guess what ? We've ALWAYS risen back to the top ! So if its with or without Kobe so be it ! And if your a pouting little baby who's not going to blog here anymore due to the Kobe, or our front office, GOOD-BYE ! LAKERS 1ST ! LAKERS ALWAYS !!

HAB

"He passes. Luke appears completely shocked and can barely raise his arms in time to catch the rock. He puts it up and misses."

Dude for real are you high right now? If kobe magically pop into my living room right now and passed a basketball to me, you can beat your house I would catch that ball....and I have smaller hands than Kwame Brown.

It hurts! Ouch! What's you hubby's name anyway, Bob?

Posted by: HAB | November 01, 2007 at 12:01 PM

none of your business....

Michael A,

I'm not sure what argument you're talking about.

When Kobe's gone, we're all going to be really sorry.

Bob,

>>>Dude for real are you high right now? If kobe magically pop into my living room right now and passed a basketball to me, you can beat your house I would catch that ball.

Oh, yeah, Bob. I got the good s**t. Wanna come over and try some;-)

BTW, If kobe magically pops into your living room, don't try to catch the ball, CALL 911..lol

EDWIN GUECO,
"Then and only then, we can leave freely with our own volition that we were the Lakers of yesteryears,
the Lakers of tomorrow and the Lakers forever FREE from the clutches of the BUMS Jimbo and
Cupcake, no longer divided in our winning tradition for Purple & Gold"

D@mn Edwin! Anybody ever tell you, you are one hell of a writer!
You got MAD SKILLS. LOL! Yes these are some rough times we
live in my friend but I see a rainbow with W coming to an end. I follow
your lead my mentor.

AK/BK -

If Magic were to become GM or whatever other title, wouldn't he have to give up ownership?

I thought I read that somewhere, I might be wrong though?

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

LakerBake, are you for real? I mean that seriously. How could you read a post by Duane, then decide to repost the same article? You just complimented his post, presuming you'd read it...are you the same person? Is that a conversation with yourself you're having? If not, what is the point?

Actually, if you are, I don't see the point either.

Benjamin,

You're absolutely right. No matter what we get in return--even if it eventually leads us to a return to glory--it's going to be a sad day when Kobe is traded.

Because it didn't have to be this way.

But no matter who's to blame for how we got here, we're here nonetheless. I'll be very, very sad when Kobe leaves, but not because I think it's the wrong thing to do under these circumstances, but because the circumstances could have easily been different.

Hab,

I don't mean to interrupt. bob is a good housewife blogger, a laker fan like you. I hope your arguments do not lead in a sleazy fashion. We're all entitled to our opinions. Thanks.

Xodus,

Of course there is a ton of doubt regarding the front office's ability to construct this team, but it doesn't look like they'll be changed. Obviously this whole Kobe thing could have been avoided if the front office was more competent, but we are where we are, you know? That's why it kills me when people here scream and cry about Jim Buss and who would we rather have, Jim or Kobe? Like that is even an option. Unless Dr. Buss sells the team, Jim is staying.

So that leads us back to Kobe STILL WANTING OUT. The owner tried to talk him out of it, but he refused. At this point we need to trade him. I know we won't get equal value, I know the front office sucks, etc. but having Kobe on this team is killing the rest of the squad and the fans can't fully get behind this team. Knowing that Kobe doesn't want to be here makes it nearly impossible for me to stomach watching these games. I don't know how you feel about it. I love the Lakers and just want a drama-free squad for once in the past 10 years.

Ex,

If a player is bought out, his contract counts against the cap for as long as it was originally signed for. Dallas is still paying Michael Finley $18 million this year and Portland is paying Steve Francis.

Vman and Michael A,

I think the number of players is the last thing to worry about. You could send Mo Evans, Sasha, Coby Karl, whoever along with Kobe since the PJ Brown S&T basically gives you an open ended salary range to work with.

Xodus - the whole "player making other players better thing".

I got a general question for everybody here. Whatever happens, the FO is staying, that's obvious. If you think the FO is so totally hopeless that it doesn't matter what kind of move they make, they'll screw it up, why are you here, and why do you watch the games? Becuase if you're right, this team will never get better, NEVER.

Either you think they can't screw everything up, or you do. If you do, what's the point?

I think they've made some real mistakes, and I'm not particularly happy with the management style, but that doesn't mean they'lll screw up every chance to improve the team. More to the point, we have to hope they get better, because they're not going anywhere.

BTW, if you haven't seen Darko video (with subtitles), it's a can't miss thing.

THIS IS NOT WORK SAFE. THE SENSITIVE AMONG YOU MAY NOT LIKE THIS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci3j363HWQM

THIS IS NOT WORK SAFE. THE SENSITIVE AMONG YOU MAY NOT LIKE THIS.

Michael A,

Thank you for the 12:41 post. If "fans" want to only root for a team with a competent front office, go be a Raptors or Spurs fan. I'm having a hard time coming up with another team where the front office shouldn't be getting some sort of crap from their fans.

Edwin,

Of course, not. I just think Bob sounds kinda sexy, that's all.

Ahhh, always wanted to say that, haha

Okay, edited best comment by a viewer of that video:

haha glurp. See thats how interviews should be, **** the image of the sport. As far as im concerned the image of the sport is ****ed because they pride themselves on looking good to viewers and trying to make money. **** all that!! Sport is about 2 teams a ref and the fans. **** the executive ****wit wanker ****s. like that crazy serb would say haha. If that serb guy has a daughter I wanna **** her hard. haha. gold

Hab,

I don't mean to interrupt. bob is a good housewife blogger, a laker fan like you. I hope your arguments do not lead in a sleazy fashion. We're all entitled to our opinions. Thanks.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | November 01, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Edwin you are soooo sweet. I wish more bloggers were like you. I did imply if he was high so I guess I had it coming.....Plus he knew my observation was right so he couldn't reply any other way.

Thanks for being such a great guy edwin...it's nice to know we still have some good bloggers out there.

Mamba24,

"that we were the Lakers of yesteryears,
the Lakers of tomorrow and the Lakers forever"

That was your phrase, not mine. You are a better writer.

Of course, not. I just think Bob sounds kinda sexy, that's all.

Ahhh, always wanted to say that, haha

Posted by: HAB | November 01, 2007 at 12:48 PM

......do you have a fight club fetish or something?

Bulls pull out! No trade with Chicago.

what would we have said if it were Kobe who went off like Darko?

I have nothing bad to say about that vid....dude just really wanted to win and felt like he got robbed...how many times have you said half that stuff about the refs after wtaching a laker game?

Bob,

>>>my observation was right so he couldn't reply any other way

What observation? That you could catch a pass? What did that have to do with my point? I never said Luke didn't catch the pass or that Kobe couldn't pass. My point was that after almost the entire game of Kobe ignoring open teammates begging for the ball while they're open and set in their favorite spots, Kobe finally passed when they no longer expected any such pass.

Is it clearer now?

What is all these Magic talk? That was two days old. Don't you guys even watch TNT? LA Times late in reporting as usual, two days late? WOW!

Get Jermaine now!!! Get ANYONE who brings game to Kobe. And be willing to trade Odom, Bynum, whomever. What are they waiting for? they should have made a move immediately when Kobe complained, because this team sucks, and if all they get is Artest and Wallace, or something like that, then we'll be rebuilding for years. Goodbye Lakers until they win the lottery.

Is Kobe saying he can't win without Deng in Chicago?

Bob,

>>>do you have a fight club fetish or something?

Fight Club? Not sure what you mean.. Wasn't there a movie with that title? I never saw it.

Anyway, I doubt that one is on my admittedly long list of fetishes.

XX

steve,

"Bulls pull out! No trade with Chicago"

i think that's an exaggeration of what Paxson said at his news conference. If you believe for one minute that what he said is nothing more than a smoke screen to try and keep this (somewhat) quiet, you're mistaken.

I'm sure he's trying to calm his guys down and get them focused on basketball. The same thing can be said about the Lakers. I agree that Magic was right when he said the Lakers either need to trade Kobe or come out and say all talks are off for whatever amount of time (and Buss needs to say this).

Until then, trade talk is still going.

Deng with current Chicago roster are contenders in the East. Is Kobe saying Deng is better than him? Bulls are willing to give Deng and Thomas. Why would Kobe block that?

Thank you for the 12:41 post. If "fans" want to only root for a team with a competent front office, go be a Raptors or Spurs fan. I'm having a hard time coming up with another team where the front office shouldn't be getting some sort of crap from their fans.

Posted by: Andrew Z | November 01, 2007 at 12:47 PM

...so we should be happy the FO sucks because other teams have crappy front offices too? it's ok to jump off the bridge because everyone else is doing it...this reminds me of the wendy's commercial... LOL

Chris Sheridan of ESPN writes:

...Bryant is driving the bus here, exercising his power behind the scenes in the hopes that the Lakers will cave in and accept a substandard offer -- one that would allow Deng to remain in Chicago. Thus far, Los Angeles hasn't been willing to do so. And chances are, the Lakers are going to remain steadfast in their stance for as long as possible.

The Bulls can afford to sit back and wait for the Lakers to cave, knowing that when a team trades a superstar, it rarely gets equal value in return. (See the Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson and Vince Carter trades, for example.)

Of course, the Bulls would like to see Bryant win the test of wills, because it would end with him in Chicago playing right alongside Deng. For now, though, Deng remains a dealbreaker. Not for the Bulls, but for Kobe.

And until his stance changes -- or the Lakers blink -- Bryant is likely to remain an unhappy Laker.

Kobe... you think you can not WIN without DENG? If you really want out of LA youshould sign off to Deng and Thoams. As it is BULLS are tagged as contenders in the East with Deng in it. You replaced that with a KOBE it should be NBA FINALS. KOBE, what are you thinking? You still have enough talent left with Gordon, Heinrich, Wallace, Noah, Duhon, Smith.

Wallace/Gray
Noah/Joe Smith
Nocioni
Bryant/Gordon
Heinrich/Duhon

laker_sth

Good points it could ge worse, and it seems to be heading that way. I'm a huge laker fan, a huge Kobe fan but to me the F.O. just hasn't stepped up to bring in a quality team. So the answer is to now ship Kobe and start fresh? Each party has to do what's best for them, I'm hating the fact that Kobe won't surrender and it seems he's pushed mgmt. to the point of no return, cut or loses and move on. Hearing rumors of Ben & Artest just makes me sick to the stomach.. That's no where near market value.

Honestly, whould you have remained a "STH" if, Kobe had been traded in the early off season for the likes of Big Ben and Artest?

Mamba24,

"To a man a lot respect, but just as many love to hate
you got skills MIKE T dont give up, Only God controls your fate"

Thank you for the kind words. Good luck. I hope your leaving isn't an omen of Kobe leaving, too.

mike

If Kobe had gone off like Darko, I'd be very upset.

Racist, misogynistic, and violent. What Darko said is very disturbing. Of course, when you realize he went off like that only because he thought he got jobbed by the refs, it's pretty funny.

If you ask me, it's even funnier than AI's practice diatribe.

I'd expect public service time helping in Italian orphanages, women's shelters, and programs protecting children from predators (maybe put him on that Catch a Predator show) and a public apology.

But, let's face it, Darko is no Kobe.

Paxson says "no deal."

Chicago saw how the Kobe saga was affecting the team and decided it was detrimental to the team. In fact, Paxson says they were never really close to anything...just discussions.

Could it be the Lakers are stuck with Kobe?

i dont fully trust the subtitles. obviously he was pissed, but if I see someone i trust translate it, ill believe it.

I hope the Lakers hold steady to "no Deng, no deal". Imagine pairing up Deng and Bynum for the next 5-10 years along with whoever pans out at PG, Farmar or Crittenton. That's a good base right there, then we have to make a decision on Odom. If Deng is going to be the SF, Odom could be moved for either a high draft pick or a missing piece. Kwame's contract will be valuable, we might even be able to move Radmanovic for something interesting as I think most teams realize he is just in the wrong system.

It will be interesting to see if Phil wants to be a part of this or not, if not, I would assUme??? the triangle would disappear with him so we wouldn't need all these white guys who play bad defense... LOL! Ok, ok... so Cook is the WORST DEFENDER OF ALL!

If we could get Deng and Tyrus Thomas, I'm less concerned about the rest of the trade, a first rounder would be awesome but hopefully the "filler" will just be PJ Brown cashing a monster check for ONE season only. Ka Ching!

It's kind of ironic for Magic to criticize Kobe so harshly when he himself demanded a trade after he won his first championship. It was also classy of him to blame Kobe for Shaq's departure. I also didn't like it when he mentioned that the Lakers supported Kobe throughout the Colorado ordeal so he should feel grateful. It's like beating a dead horse. How much longer do you want to use that card again? At least Kobe comes to play and he is the one guy you can count one to come to training camp with a new arsenal to his game. Is that not dedication Magic? There are so many voices coming from the organization that it looks like the management is divided and confused (is that a real surprise?). Jerry Buss needs to take full control of this situation and do it soon. I hope Kobe lands in Chicago and forms a dynasty. The Buss family minus Jeannie disgusts me.

IT"S KOBE"S DECISON NOW!

KOBE, this is not about not having talent in Chicago. You want the Lakers to miss you badly. If this is the case you LOVE the Lakers and you don't want to leave them. KOBE make up your MIND! Jerry Buss already called your BLUFF, it's your turn to decide. IN or OUT!

KOBE if you really want OUT, the table has been set. Bulls have given Lakers lots of option to take. Bulls and Lakers have the both agreed on a Kobe vs Deng plus one (Noah, Gordon, Thomas), what's holding you up? Defintely not DENG!

It seems KOBE has so MUCH LOVE FOR THE LAKERS AND CAN"T LET GO! If this is what it is, then MAGIC JOHNSON is right! Kobe will not be traded and will put up the pieces to compete. But make mo mistake Lakers are gutting out the BULLS, because Bulls won't agree with that either. This is were MAGIC was wrong, Lakers can not gut out the BULLS, the PAXSON offer is fair and the Lakers are good with it.

KOBE, what your decison?

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-071101bullspaxson,1,4799438.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Paxson puts Kobe rumors to rest
GM says there will be no deal to bring Lakers superstar to Bulls

By K.C. Johnson
Tribune staff reporter

November 1, 2007, 2:48 PM CDT

Kobe Bryant is not coming to the Bulls.

General manager John Paxson put an end to more than a week of feverish speculation, declaring, "There's not a deal to be done" in the Bryant sweepstakes following Thursday's practice.


"It's time to put it to rest," Paxson said.

Paxson had grown weary of responding to the endless speculation regarding Bryant's future and wanted to ease the minds of his team, which many consider an Eastern Conference favorite.

Paxson acknowledged having several conversations with the Lakers regarding Bryant but refused to divulge specifics. It's known that the Bulls engaged in multiple talks trying to engineer three-team trades, but nothing ever got close, Paxson said.

Paxson refused to say his team was distracted by the daily rumors regarding the incident, saying merely that the Bulls "played poorly" in Wednesday's season-opening loss the Nets.

But Paxson wanted to make sure the situation didn't become a distraction.

"Today sends a message that our guys don't have to worry about anything anymore," he said.

ak bk, can you guys find out which lakers was involved in a fight on wed practice? phil slipped it out but didn't want to say anything more.

KOBE FOR DENG PLUS ONE!

Good to go for the Lakers! Good to go for the Bulls!

KOBE, what's the HOLDOUT?

KOBE, trust me! You will look great in BULLS uniform.

Sled Dog,

"They supported him through Colorado, They moved Shaq, They pay him boatloads of money."

Kobe is a cash cow for the Lakers and they know it. He is entitled to every single penny he earns on his paycheck and then some. Shaq demanded a trade and even Shaq sided with Kobe on the issue. How long are you going to hold the Colorado card? You have the nerve to ask what more does he want?! How about some people who can catch a basketball and actually shoot (what a concept!).

What observation? That you could catch a pass? What did that have to do with my point? I never said Luke didn't catch the pass or that Kobe couldn't pass. My point was that after almost the entire game of Kobe ignoring open teammates begging for the ball while they're open and set in their favorite spots, Kobe finally passed when they no longer expected any such pass.

Is it clearer now?

Posted by: HAB | November 01, 2007 at 01:04 PM

If you're a basketball player, you should always be ready to catch a pass and try your best to make a basket....I'm a big luke fan as everyone on the blog knows but whats his excuse for missing baskests when other people pass him the ball? or kwame's when he doesn't catch passes from his other team mates? your point is not very good.

am I making it clearer for you to understand now?

"Kobe... you think you can not WIN without DENG? If you really want out of LA youshould sign off to Deng and Thoams. As it is BULLS are tagged as contenders in the East with Deng in it. "

You've answered your own question. Kobe does not necessarily want out of LA, he wants to win. Right now he doesn't see that happening in LA. Why wouldn't he want Deng on his team?

Lakers, if you really want to push KOBE out, let KOBE keep DENG!

Take Gordon, Thomas, Noah and draft picks.

Bynum/Noah
Thomas/Turiaf
Odom/Walton
Gordon/Evans
Fisher/Crittenton/Farmar

Great pieces to start. Unless you are not thinking of keeping Odom, then DENG is a must.

Bynum/Mihm
Thomas/Turiaf
Deng/Walton
Crittenton/Evans
Fisher/Farmar

Fkillah,

Hey, in case you didn't see it, I responded to your question regarfing my thoughts on Kobe getting booed at Staples in the "Helluva first and last quarter" thread. Just didn't want you to think I ignored it.

Thanks,

AK

Paxson has spoken. Now it's Dr. Buss's turn. Time to put down the Britney/Lindsay/Paris wannabes and man up, Doc.

And...it's time for YOU to man up too, Kobe. It was you who took us down this roller coaster with your schizophrenic TRADE ME/DON'T TRADE ME/TRADE ME/DON'T TRADE ME rants. You owe your fans an apology for doing that.

All the cards are back in the deck. Time to MAN UP, folks.

And, Mamba, you have until the end of the day to reneg your threat of leaving the Blog or else we will BATTLE ONCE AGAIN! Last time, I was nice!

bob,

No, we shouldn't be happy that other teams have crappy FOs, but how long are you going to sit around and say this should have never happened with Kobe? No matter what is said now, this thing can go back to where it was.

"Yeah, well, why is that? LeBron, Shaq, Kobe all have huge egos. But LeBron and Shaq get their "little borthers" to perform close to their max ability, while Kobe is a buzzkill."

Tell that to team USA. They looked pretty buzz-killed. LAMO. The silly comments just keep on coming.

If Kobe pop's into your living room, don't call 911... go tell your 18 year old daughter to hide. :)

No Kobe to the Bulls. You heard it here first!

http://www.realgm.com/

AK/BK

Can you guys please find a way to get another sit down with Kupchak?
I know it won't be easy, but he can end a lot of speculation with a simple Q and A about the team's stance on Kobe (he would never go into proposed trade details).

I'm not sure anybody mentioned it but Kobe actually does trust one of his teammates and that is Derek Fisher.Early in the game he got him a wide open three and down by two he got him an open jumper that he would have never given to Smush in that situation.I was worried about Kobe's effort going into the opener but i thought his effort was almost playoff like effort.He played every bit as hard on d as he did on offense.Most of TMac's points came when Kobe wasn't on him.The only reason they lost was because of Kobe's poor shooting from the line and from the floor.It is possible his wrist is hurting him pretty bad.There is no reason the Lakers should trade the league's number one attraction that would be foolish.They need to get him the help he wants to shut him up or somehow convince him to wait it out on Bynum becoming a big time player.Kobe's career will only be complete if he wins a title on THE LAKERS without SHAQ.Going to a championship ready team does nothing for his legacy.

This blog is nuts today. Great write-ups everyone!

I've been thinking about this for the past couple days, not that it matters to anyone, but if I had to build a team from scratch, who would I choose first, Magic or MJ... well, the answer depends on who I get to surround him with.

Overall, Magic is my answer. MJ was the most dominant player of his era, but Magic was something special. You really couldn't go wrong with either, but if you took this LA team (minus Kobe) and added Magic or MJ, the team with Magic would be better, in my opinion. This is because he would be a better leader off the court and would get others involved a lot easier (he's a better passer). MJ is a crushing personality. You have to have nothing but solid players around him and you need at least one guy to be the locker room leader. Again, I don't think there's a wrong answer, just differences of opinion.

You can argue all day and night about KB24. There's a reason why he's friends with MJ, they are similar in their mindsets. Again, argue if you will as to who would do what, it is POINTLESS and FRIVOLOUS.

Kobe T,
Thank you for posting Roland's write-up.

Extremely SOBERING. Every fan should read it. I feel like it must have hit the mark because it explains everything.

The guy wrote the book on the Lakers, so what he writes, I will believe.

Hey, as the sun sets on the Lakers, the sun is rising on the Dodgers! Let's look at the silver lining everyone. We're going to get Joe Torre and the Dodgers have a nice young team. The Ducks are coming off their Stanley Cup victory. So we Roland Lazenby just proved we have another Al Davis in Los Angeles, so what?? Things aren't so bad! Cheer up! We may not have football or (now) basketball... but we have USC, Dodgers, Angels, Ducks... come on, let's get a little more positive!

Mamba24,
My apologies if any of my posts contributed to your frustration. If so, I take it all back. Like Kobe, I understand the boos, as they are made by people who have been blinded. Kobe isn't a saint. He's also not Magic, he's Kobe, he's one of a kind. He will do everything within his power to win. It's just, he's concluded the same thing as Roland Lazenby. As fans we do not want to admit it... but there it is. Jerry West tried to change it. Shaq tried to change. Kobe has tried to change it. Phil is now trying to change it. But the odds are, it won't change until we pull our support from the very team we love. That's not an easy thing to do, and the Buss family knows it and will exploit it.

Mamba24, you were the blog. You were our brightest star. Sure, you're a Kobe fan, we know that, but we also know you see the truth. LakerTom left some time ago... Generic_One in Seattle also left. I had left too. Many others have gone, because let's face it, this is a tough time for all of us. This is the Hurricane Katrina of the Lakers Nation. It will devastate us all....

divided we cannot stand.

Together we CAN make a difference. Mamba24, you are a difference maker. You have tried to bring us together for the greater, Laker good.

The truth must be known. If the truth gets out, the fans WILL revolt and something will have to be done. Love Kobe or hate him, it doesn't matter. He was right about one thing, we have bigger issues than Kobe. Much, much bigger issues.

Where we used to cry tears of joy, we are crying tears of anguish. The only solution is to stand together, make a difference, or just forsake basketball all together and revel in the emerging successes of our "other" teams!

This whole situation has shown me that Kobe is a great player but he has a huge ego and doesn't always think things through. Still, he is the last man standing of Jerry West's legacy... the legacy that almost everyone on this blog fell in love with.

Jerry West WAS the Lakers. He WAS the Lakers before Wilt, he was Mr. Clutch. After being a player, Jerry West continued to BE THE LAKERS. Jerry West had to leave. Kobe wanted him back. Kobe saw the writing on the wall, and Kobe freaked. We may not like it, some may hate him, but he most assuredly sounded the final warning bell... the same bell that Jerry West tried to ring, Shaq, and now Kobe. The Hurricane is upon us.

Kobe: The last man standing.

WHY THE TRADE WILL HAPPEN!

Either way this trade will happen. The BULLS are willing to get KOBE! That is the only ONE that is truly important.

KOBE and the LAKERS, one will blink because they can not stand each other anymore. They both don't loose that much if either one blinks first, not much is at stake..

Either way it is a WIN_WIN situation for all three parties, BULLS, KOBE and the LAKERS.

Paxson has had enough of Kobe's BS as well:

""There's not a deal to be done"

Yeah because even if the 2 teams can agree to a deal, the backstabber will sit there and veto it with his no-trade clause.

"Boo hoo hoo, trade me, but you can only trade me to ONE team and that ONE team still has to have this or that player once I get there". Well... guess what just happened Kobe? You just overplayed your hand. Where are ya go'in now, big guy? You're go'in back to playing SG for the Lakers for the next few months, that's where your go'in...

bob,

No, we shouldn't be happy that other teams have crappy FOs, but how long are you going to sit around and say this should have never happened with Kobe? No matter what is said now, this thing can go back to where it was.

Posted by: Andrew Z | November 01, 2007 at 01:56 PM

I'm not saying this should never have happened to kobe...I have never said that. Kobe opened his own mouth and know he's paying the price. My point has always been and always will be that trading kobe doesn't solve our problem because the FO still sucks. So whats your point? that the FO will not change but will some how get better once kobe is gone? Jim Buss will some how get smarter because kobe is not there?

my god...make this stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am officially going to stop reading articles on the matter for one month and see where that leaves us.

stupid, ungrateful, snob, selfish, millionaire go away.

tired of the world trashing our Lakers.

Kobe "is not the first Laker star and will not be the last.." (said a fan on the first game) True true...let go and move on. I'm excited at the future. Remember the post Magic/Kareem pre-Shaq/Kobe days? It will happen again. Be positive and watch some young dudes play with joy and enthusiasm. Who gives a crap if we don't make the playoffs. I'm ready to chear our underdogs on.

peace

btw - I just got an email that Nov 18th, the Lakers are holding a charity dinner party and shopping event prior to the game. The opponent that night...

The Chicago Bulls

Latest Kobe offers: ludicrousposted: Thursday, November 1, 2007 | Feedback | Print Entry
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The Lakers should not trade Kobe Bryant this season. Period.

They need to put an end to this circus ASAP, and they should do so by coming out publicly and saying Kobe will remain with the Lakers, that they're no longer listening to offers.

The offers they've been getting are a joke. The latest talk, as reported on Wednesday, by my colleague Ric Bucher, had them receiving Ben Wallace and Ron Artest in a three-way crash with Chicago and Sacramento.

And that makes the Lakers better how?

David Stern should take the franchise away from Jerry Buss if he makes that deal. In fact, he should fine him for even considering it.

First of all, Big Ben is not the Big Ben of old. He's just old. Yes, he's still a good player, but he's no longer a major impact player, certainly not on a nightly basis. At its height, Ben's game was based on athleticism, and with that declining due to age, Ben is ordinary on many nights. Plus, he's owed $28.5 million the next two seasons after this one.

Do I even have to discuss the red flags attached to Artest?

You're going to trade Kobe to alleviate turmoil by bringing in the King of Disruption? It took a new coaching staff, several trades and a couple of years before Indiana even began to work its way out of the mess Artest left them in.

I don't mind bringing Artest to L.A. if Kobe's there, but without Kobe, I don't touch him.

My point is that the Lakers are not being offered anything of substance for Kobe. Teams are trying to get him on the cheap.

Not even Chicago's best offer, which would include Deng, excites me. Put this exact Chicago team in the West and they're a lower-rung playoff team at best. I'm not so sure they're better than a healthy New Orleans squad. They definitely don't have a Chris Paul or a Tyson Chandler.

Plus, the Bulls' players (who would become Lakers players) don't have the pizzazz the fans in L.A. like to see.

Throw in the fact that Kobe is nixing any deal that includes Deng (because he wants to play with him in Chicago), and I see absolutely no reason to deal with the Bulls.

John Paxson is correct to try and do everything he can to get Kobe, especially if he can keep Deng too, but the Lakers need to chill.

Again if I'm L.A., I tell Kobe, "We're keeping you.'' At the very least, I say, "Unless you waive your no-trade clause, we won't move you.''

There is plenty of time to smooth this whole thing over. Kobe can't opt out for nearly two years.

Remember how bad things were between Phil Jackson and Kobe a few years ago? Phil blasted him in a book for crying out loud!

But over time, Phil eventually became Kobe's confidante. Given time -- and a little bit of success on the court (which is not out of the question judging by the Lakers' opening night performance) -- this can be worked out, too.

And keep an eye on Jermaine O'Neal. Let's see how he fits into Jim O'Brien's new, up-tempo, trey-heavy offense. O'Neal's not happy in Indy, and he's one of the few remaining reminders of the aforementioned "Artest Nightmare.''

If Indy continues to play well, and O'Neal's not a big factor in their success, maybe the Pacers will be willing to send him to L.A. without getting Andrew Bynum in return. The Lakers could at least explore a three- or four-team deal that might enable them to keep Bynum and get O'Neal.

Kobe, while he still wanted to be traded, was actually behaving very professionally before Buss came out and publicly said the Lakers are open to trading him. That's when he began to sulk, and the circus started anew.

Also, if Kobe remains unhappy this season, the Lakers will probably get better offers around the draft.

And remember, when Kobe can opt-out of his deal in 2009, it's not like a lot of teams will have the cap room to sign him for $20 million plus per year, certainly not many good teams that are ready to compete for a championship.

By then, Kobe will be almost 32 years old with 13 NBA seasons under his belt. Plus, almost two seasons worth of playoff games. I'm sure he'll still have a couple of great years left, but his best days will almost certainly be behind him.

Just to put that type of wear-and-tear into perspective, Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons with the Chicago Bulls, plus two seasons worth of playoff games.

My point is that Kobe's opt-out clause won't give him as much leverage as he thinks it will.

And while few teams ever go this route, what's wrong with letting Kobe walk after two years (if he insists on doing so) and getting nothing back in return?

Obviously, he's a great talent, but rather than get chumped in a sign-and-trade deal, why not just let his $21 million roll off their payroll? Lamar Odom's contract will end that year as well, giving the Lakers plenty of cap room to work with.

Bynum, if he's ever going to be anything, will be balling by then, and you could add top-notch free agent pieces. Everyone wants to play in L.A.

Remember, LeBron will be able to opt out of his deal the year after that in 2010. If Cleveland can't put the right pieces around him (you know, I hope they can), who's to say LeBron won't be ready to go rejuvenate the Lakers.

Bottom line is this: If I'm the Lakers, I don't let Kobe push me around and trade him just because he's unhappy.

Dr. Buss has clearly taken this thing personally, but he has to be smart enough to make the right business decision.

And that's to tell Kobe and the world that he's off the market.


Could someone send this story to a Laker executive please!!!!!
This guy makes the most sense...I don't have Dr Buss's email or Mitch or Magic...but I would like them to see this..

thanks
kate


If Kobe pop's into your living room, don't call 911... go tell your 18 year old daughter to hide. :)

Posted by: frank1rizzo | November 01, 2007 at 01:57 PM

I don't have any kids...but if my daughter is 18 she can do anything she wants. Now if she were 14, Kobe and I would have to fight....lol

I am 100% with Jason F and Andrew Z.

I couldn't care less what Rico Bucher or Chris Broussard or any other loser ESPN person has to say. They are irrelevant.

Nobody wants Kobe gone more than I do, but it must be a good trade FOR THE LAKERS. I don't care about Kobe, and will care even less once he's gone. He wants to play with Deng? Who freaking cares? Let's see just how bad #24 wants to go to Chicago, is my thought.

I came on this board sometime last year and advocated for trading Kobe to Chicago. My proposal was met with scorn and derision from the Kobe Apologists. The initial deal I came up with, which worked under the salary cap, was for Deng, Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas.

If only the Lakers had had the sense and the sack to make that deal, all of this crap would be over and the "Kobe holds the trade hostage" nonsense would be finished with, too.

And we'd have a real point guard, an outstanding young small forward/shooting guard in Deng and a young super-athlete power forward in Thomas.

And no "booooooooooooo"s in team introductions.

PG - Hinrich
SG - Deng
SF - Odom
PF - Thomas
C --- Bynum

PG - Fisher
SG - Evans
SF - Walton
PF - Turiaf
C --- Brown

+ Farmar, Sasha, Crittenton, Mihm, Cook

Gone: Radmanovic, Coby Karl
----------------------------------------------------

Damn that would be a great starting 5, and fun to watch. And look at the bench! I mean, Jordan would be like our 11th man!

But...nope. Now here we are, 45 points and 1 loss later, listening to more bogus reports from Rico Bucher and all witnessing the soap opera's latest twist. And now Kobe doesn't want Deng to be dealt for him.

'Foresight;' 'prescience;' 'thinking ahead.' This is why I wrote about dealing Kober to the Bulls last year. And it could have been done, before Deng became what he has become. And our own whiny #24 was trying to dictate to the team exactly how he was to be dealt, and for whom.

Kobe Bryant is toxic. And he's not just harmful to his own team and to Lakers fans, he's harmful to other players.

No player in the NBA will ever get a 'no-trade' clause in his deal again. And like us Lakers fans who anxiously await a satisfactory end to the "Kobe 4.0" Lakers, the other players around the NBA can thank Kobe Bryant for their plight.

Trade him, as fast as possible. But DO NOT get fleeced. Sure, we might only get 70 cents on the dollar, but don't settle for 50 cents. If you have to wait for Nocioni, wait for Nocioni. Whatever. I'm content to wait for now because now I know the FO is serious about moving the malcontent. When the leverage is right, send him OUTTA here.

you know Kobe wasn't involved because Jim Buss would have leak the info a long time ago.

Posted by: bob | November 01, 2007 at 12:02 PM

of course I do. any laker fan should. my beef with him is what he done during the summer and and how he treated his teammates. that was disgraceful. had he said his peace (even asked for a trade) behind closed doors, I would have never criticized him. hell, I would have more respect for him if he just opted out without all the fanfare. this circus he create fed my animosity toward the baby.

NOW can we go back to talking about BASKETBALL??? PLEASE??

You've got to hand it to Paxson... realizing it was truly becoming a distraction to his team, he squashed all the rumors.

And what have we heard from the Lakers F.O.???

(crickets chirping)

Jaga

"You've answered your own question. Kobe does not necessarily want out of LA, he wants to win. Right now he doesn't see that happening in LA. Why wouldn't he want Deng on his team?"

Kobe is much better than Loul Deng and is not even an all-star yet. So if DENG can win in Chicago and you replace DENG with KOBE, wouldn't you think KOBE can WIN in Chicgao.

"No Kobe to the Bulls. You heard it here first!"

Heck, Kobe, basically, said that yesterday:

"Bryant was booed during pregame introductions Tuesday at Staples Center. He was also jeered the first time he touched the ball, but as the game went on, Lakers fans began cheering for him. "It just felt good to hear them come back around later in the game," Bryant said Wednesday. "That's the most important thing. They know. A smart fan can kind of read between the lines and can kind of decide for themselves what's really going on. I just let it be. I just want to go out there and play the game that I love to play."

He telling you to read between the lines. What's really going on? The question has to be: What isn't "really" going on? Everything you heard up to that point is what was going on. Trade rumors to Chicago. But what was "really" going on? Opposite of the trade rumors.

mike

LakerFaze: "Good points it could ge worse, and it seems to be heading that way. I'm a huge laker fan, a huge Kobe fan but to me the F.O. just hasn't stepped up to bring in a quality team. So the answer is to now ship Kobe and start fresh? Each party has to do what's best for them, I'm hating the fact that Kobe won't surrender and it seems he's pushed mgmt. to the point of no return, cut or loses and move on. Hearing rumors of Ben & Artest just makes me sick to the stomach.. That's no where near market value.

Honestly, whould you have remained a "STH" if, Kobe had been traded in the early off season for the likes of Big Ben and Artest?"

I'd still be around. A starting five of Wallace, Turiaf, LO, Artest and Fish? They'd probably switch out Turiaf for Cook and Vlad and Kwame's expiring contract would be the next out the door for $9M in additional help. Wallace would be schooling Drew on the finer points of becoming a defensive and rebounding monster. I could live with that but then again, I tend to like defensive minded teams. "High powered" offenses like PHX just remind me of the Doug Moe led Nuggets. Scoring 130 every game and getting bounced every year in the playoffs by teams of more substance.

But like Michael A said, we're still stuck with this front office no matter what happens. The past couple of years, I've been tired of the rhetoric and pandering they've given to us fans. "Of course we explore every trade scenario and are always looking to improve the team. However, we will never make any deal just to make a deal." OF COURSE. It's a given that the front office is doing everything in their power to improve right? How dare we assume anything different? Well, now they're accountable. They'd have to have major brass ones to stick to their guns and give us more "We were one rebound away from advancing against PHX" or "We were 13 games above 500 last year before getting bit by the injury bug." I don't think they're up to the task.

A lot of what you're hearing, that's coming out of the Lakers FO, is misdirection. The focus is on Kobe Bryant and the trade rumors. THINK!

Misdirection on Kobe Bryant? Well, what's the other direction?

mike

I can settle all of this Kobe nonsense: Just bring me back! I've hit 8 straight jumpers in my driveway, I think I'm ready...

Dr Buss,
Please, whatever you do, don't trade Mamba24 or let him leave the organization. He's the sta of the blogr. He's the litmus test of the value of the team. If he leaves, you know your whole organization is a mess. He's the canary in the mineshaft. If he leaves the blog, Jack Nicholson won't be back at courtside. They work on parallel logic.

Lazenby has summed it all up and the whole thing has been obvious to those who have eyes to see. Jerry Buss's senile vanity has destroyed the Lakers as an institution. When Kobe pleaded to bring back Jerry West, he was right, but he shouldn't have done it because he knew that West would never come back to a team run by Jim Buss.

This whole thing is shameful. But it's getting clearer and clearer where the shame lies.

Please, Dr Buss, find a buyer. Take the enormous profit you were talking about in your interview. Convince the new owner to let you have a private lifetime box in which to entertain your "friends". You'll have enough cash from the deal to hire a chauffeur so you won't have to worry about getting caught for driving under the influence.

Do it now and spare all of us the pain of a generation of mediocrity led by your son.

(Staples 24 please read this)
the DENG THANG-

It is crazy funny how we all CHEW ON whatever media gives us. "Kobe is not signing off on DENG!" what? Do you really think the Bulls would dismantle a team just to get KOBE. IF and I say it again IF there is talks and Chicago thinks Deng gives them the best chance would they wanna TRADE DENG? Are the Bulls (ONE OF THE BEST FRONT OFFICES IN THE LEAGUE RIGHT NOW) Stupid and Kobe has to guide them to make the right deal?

The LA media is making yall saying Kobe is vetoing DENG are STUPID. Maybe crazy which is much better than stupid (Crazy people don't have a choice Stupid people do)

Jerry Buss is much SMARTER than all of us combined. He's got the LA media in his hands and he is PUSHING this BS up yall. "Kobe vetoing Deng departure?" Gosh Dang man. Wake up.

BOTTOM LINE-

Like I've said before we're not CONTENDERS. we need a GREAT move in personnel (I don't wanna give up LO and get JO I just don't think it's the right move) and our FRONT OFFICE is incapable.

Staples 24-

"Kobe, Buss has called your bluff" Hey dude then Buss has called my bluff 2 years ago. The man just doesn't want his career to be used for some OLD DAWG's ECONOMIC gain. That's all

O by the way-

We'll soon FIND OUT that DENG is just a POOR MAN's Lamar Odom.

Kobe isn't going anywhere. There's really no place for him to go. I've got a trade for him; Shaq and D-Wade to the Lakers for Kobe, J-Crit and Brian Cook. Kobe gets to go East and the Lakers become relevant again, problem solved.

Bulls GM: Kobe will not be a Bull

FORET ABOUT IT, ITS DONE
SPECULATION CAN OFFICIALLY BE STOPPED NOW
NOW WE CAN MAKE A TRADE THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE KOBE

Kobe's staying and Magic's right. We need clear resolution on this NOW, not later.

I'm concerned about Lamar. Man, that guy has the worst luck/karma.

I pray God shows him some mercy and blesses him with a season he can feel proud of.

GO LAKERS!

GOOD news on Kobe.

NOW LET'S GET HIM SOME HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! & make him retire a CHAMPION (again) Laker

Colorado loves the Lakers!

Andrew Z,

There's no way I'm buying that trade talk is dead. I even read an article that said Paxson needs to come out and say that no one's being traded just to keep the focus of those young guys in Chi-Town.

Kobe's got to be traded within a week or someone within the organization (Mitch or the Busses) need to say that Kobe's not going anywhere.

Till Feb or the Summer of 2008.

If things don't pan out (FO vs KOBE - PJ vs FO - Fans vs FO - Kobe vs Fans - Fans vs PJ), blow the team up! Do not resign Sasha, Evans (maybe Evans) and Kwame. (Duh!) Technically Mihm has player option so It's up to him.

Keep: Bynum, Turiaf (resign), JC and Farmar. Not that these guys are to be declared starters for 2008', definitely in rotation of the farm.
Check who might be the best coach available, or resign PJ just for 2 more years if no one good is available.

Trade Kobe for a combination of budding and established talents. It's all been listed at this passion blog!

Trade Lamar for a good player (allstar if possible at the 12 mill rate) Pal Gasol Type, Joe Johnson etc...

Find a way to Trade Luke $5mill, Cook $3.5mill, Vlade $6mill maybe for a sign and trade for a couple of serviceable players who are due about $10-12 mill. Corey Magette, Artest etc...

Let's start over in 2008 if this year will be as ridiculous as predicted. The Lakers owe us fans.....

Peace Bloggers!

Charles

I've heard of a player Coach. I've never seen a player GM. Kobe is the first.

KOBE, new NBA GM, are you going to approve the trade or not?

Check out what our fellow bloggers on the Chi-Town side are saying:

http://tinyurl.com/3y897d

or

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/2007/11/it-was-the-righ.html

Charles

 
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