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Don't freak out, but if the season ended today, the Lakers would be a lottery team (and a lot of people would wonder why they spend so much on season tix).  Fortunately, Tuesday's opening night 95-93 loss to the Rockets at Staples was just the first of many opportunities to get it right.  This one, however, went wrong on a few levels, on what was an odd night off Fig.  It included boos for Kobe Bryant in the pregame introductions, the rare basketball "own goal" from Luke Walton and Kwame Brown, some lackluster effort from the purple and gold before a furious late fourth comeback ... all scuttled by a clutch Shane Battier rainbow three with 2.5 seconds to play. But the box score reveals that, despite a rough shooting night from Kobe (13-32) and the Gang (19-44), what really cost the Lakers was a collective failure from the free-throw line: 27-45.  That's 18 misses from the charity stripe. 

Go ahead and kick that gift horse smack in the kisser.

Just the first day of what is shaping up to be a typically dramatic Lakers season, with fans on edge and Kobe in limbo.

Once it was over, there's no question that the fairly icy reception Kobe initially received from fans was a hot topic.  Clearly fans have some lingering animosity toward Bryant over this summer's events and his trade demand. And it's probably a good thing that Mitch and Dr. Buss didn't find their faces up on the Jumbotron at any point during the evening's festivities.  And of course, by the end of the game, after Kobe provided a multitude of Kobe Moments, it was all cheers (and probably will be, assuming the dust stays reasonably settled, going forward).  A "six-minute" revolution.  A mini-uprising from the man on the street.

After all, there are still a lot of things to like about the guy, despite some shaky PR skills.

Could this, combined with the activities down at the Ravine, signal a shift in the city's core loyalties? 

Hey, it's just the first day.  Nothing much to do but speculate.

 
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i thought battier's three was an airball ... even on replays, i thought it was short

too bad it went in

EFF BATTIER

C Buck

it was an airball...its just becasue Kobe is on the team and everyone is unfair to him

Kiwi,
Mission Impossible.

Kobe honestly can't win with some "fans". I am a long-time Lakers fan and
I've admired Kobe's skills and determination since he first came to the
Lakers. It was easy to root for him back then, being the "underdog" to
Shaquille's "Superman". I readily admit that the events of this last summer
and this pre-season have made it harder to root for him... and have turned
me off to him as a person (not the first time this has happened, btw).

BUT... as I recall from last night's game, nobody on the Lakers was making
any of their shots. It was a comedy of errors during those middle two
periods. Did Kobe take too many shots for one game? Absolutely. Did he
continually drive to the basket expecting to get foul calls that were rightly or
wrongly never called? Absolutely. Did he miss eight free throws (the ninth
was intentional)? Absolutely.

BUT... what would all of his critics said if he didn't shoot and just continued
to pass to other guys who continued to brick their shots and the Lakers
lost by 22 instead of 2?? Can y'all say Phoenix Game 7?

This is the conundrum of being Kobe Bean Bryant. Damned it you do.
Damned if you don't.

His will to win sometimes gets the best of him and causes him to ignore his
teammates, especially if they have started slowly and he feels the game
slipping away. And in the back of his mind, I'm sure he is cognizant of
what all the critics would say if he "tanked" the first game of the season.

So he probably did a little too much to prove that he still will do everything to
help this team win as long as he is a member of it. It was almost enough or
maybe too much, but it was (hopefully) just one game.

Bzar

they won't trade him to the Lakers since it'll give Lakers a great
one-two punch with Kobe, thus giving us one more trophy.
We've already seen it happened with KG trade. I know that
KG said it was because of our FO. But before that, Mchale didn't
want to do anything to help the Lakers anyway.

So, may be it could've been something like this happened
right before the training camp:

======================================================================
Jerry or PJ: Hey, Kobe you know everyone hates the Lakers and they won't
give up their all-star players since you are here. But, if they think
you won't be here, the other GMs would think "what are they going to do
with 1 all-star after Kobe's gone? They'll still be the same lousy team.
Hm. Then, probably trying to get some value for my JO wouldn't be
a big problem since I won't be helping them win another trophy."

Kobe: I guess you are right.. what should I do then?

Jerry or PJ: I(Jerry) will say that we will trade you. You just act like
your heart is not with the Lakers anymore and act like you are trying
not to talk about it anymore because you are hurt. Skipping a practice
or two would be great. During the preseason when it doesn't matter,
try to act that you don't really care about the team and just going through
motion.
At the same time, we'll contact other teams and ask for unreasonable
amount of players for you. That way, we won't be actually trading you,
but showing others that we are really serious about sending you out.
Since you said you wanted to go to Bulls before, we'll ask for 4 of their
best players and the draft picks. They will never accept on that.
Even if they accept, you say that you don't want to go to the depleted team.

Kobe: Ok. I'll do that. Please tell Mitch to get on the phone with Bird or
anyone else to get us an all-star.

Jerry or PJ: Don't worry about it. Once we get what we wanted and needed,
we'll clear all this out for you. Who knows? Then, more people will love
you for what you did, sacrificing your image for the team's good.
=======================================================================


I know.. I'm just writing a fiction...
Hey, but one can hope, right?

FIRE MITCH KUPCHAK

If his player acquisitions, or lack there of, were not enough of a reason, Mitch should be fired for PR purposes. As long as he wears the GM title, all fans and players will remember is his dismantling of a dynasty.

Could Kupchak have handled the Shaq and now Kobe situations ANY WORSE? Certainly, this wouldn't have happened under Jerry West. BRING BACK WEST.

I thought that was in bad taste to boo a guy who has put winning above all. I don't care whose side you take on Shaq vs. Kobe or Kobe vs. Buss, Kobe has done way too many things for the Lakers Franchise and Lakers fans to deserve this.

If Rockets can improve without trading any of their good players why couldn't Lakers?

If Danny Ainge can improve Celtics who instantly create a power house out of a team that didn't make playoffs then why can't Lakers do the same? Yes, he had #5 pick and one good player that supposedly T'Wolves wanted (yeah) then turn those into two future hall of famers.

If Denver can turn Earl Boykins and bunch into Iverson deal then why can't Lakers? Yes, granted AI and Kobe may not be a good fit, but why can't you get 3rd team involved?

If Buss is so high on Bynum then why doesn't he start on a team after 2 years of learning? Is that b/c Kwame is too good to come off the bench?

Why would Lakers sign Walton to his current contract on the first day? Is he so irreplaceable?

Why would those booing fans and this Lakers Mgt ... yes, Magic you're included ... get on this pissing contest with the best player (with ability/tenacity/desire) rather than find a way to get on the same page and resolve this behind the doors?

Why would LA Times dead-beat writers get on Kobe when even Shaq with his lazy attitude and ingratitude was never criticized to this degree?

Yet ... the guy comes back and drops 45 on the first night. And yes, he did make passes to open teammaate who bricked almost all of them.

It almost makes you wish that Lakers part with Kobe ... and he may find his championship ring with some other team.

SAY WHAT!

Laker fans, you are fake, fake, fakes
You booed your own star for goodness sakes
You let the FO feed you this slop
Falling for the oldest con, good and bad cop.
You let a crackhead pull your strings
You let them dis Kobe and dis 9Rings
A house divided can and will not stand
So a man called Magic said I’ll give you a hand
To Kobe he said if you really want to be great
Don’t ask for nothing, make your own fate
So Kobe hit 45 and asked the Rockets WHAT YOU GOT
Yao said this and Kobe blocked his shot.
To a man the Lakers stood strong and tall
Yet without Lamar they were destined to fall.
And even though a win would have been better
Lakers today Lakers tomorrow LAKERS FOREVER!

With Kobe saying "they don't know what's really going on.."
may be, just MAY BE all this stuff is a great mastermind at work.
(whether it's Jerry, PJ or Kobe)
It's not a secret that no NBA teams want to help Lakers.
Even if they have an all-star player that they don't need (ie. JO)
they won't trade him to the Lakers since it'll give Lakers a great
one-two punch with Kobe, thus giving us one more trophy.
We've already seen it happened with KG trade. I know that
KG said it was because of our FO. But before that, Mchale didn't
want to do anything to help the Lakers anyway.

So, may be it could've been something like this happened
right before the training camp:

======================================================================
Jerry or PJ: Hey, Kobe you know everyone hates the Lakers and they won't
give up their all-star players since you are here. But, if they think
you won't be here, the other GMs would think "what are they going to do
with 1 all-star after Kobe's gone? They'll still be the same lousy team.
Hm. Then, probably trying to get some value for my JO wouldn't be
a big problem since I won't be helping them win another trophy."

Kobe: I guess you are right.. what should I do then?

Jerry or PJ: I(Jerry) will say that we will trade you. You just act like
your heart is not with the Lakers anymore and act like you are trying
not to talk about it anymore because you are hurt. Skipping a practice
or two would be great. During the preseason when it doesn't matter,
try to act that you don't really care about the team and just going through
motion.
At the same time, we'll contact other teams and ask for unreasonable
amount of players for you. That way, we won't be actually trading you,
but showing others that we are really serious about sending you out.
Since you said you wanted to go to Bulls before, we'll ask for 4 of their
best players and the draft picks. They will never accept on that.
Even if they accept, you say that you don't want to go to the depleted team.

Kobe: Ok. I'll do that. Please tell Mitch to get on the phone with Bird or
anyone else to get us an all-star.

Jerry or PJ: Don't worry about it. Once we get what we wanted and needed,
we'll clear all this out for you. Who knows? Then, more people will love
you for what you did, sacrificing your image for the team's good.
=======================================================================


I know.. I'm just writing a fiction...
Hey, but one can hope, right?

The fact that Kobe's status is still an issue after the 1st game is pure organizational mismanagement. A basketball player can complain but he can't delay the decision or the statement of policy.

Do something. Tell him he's here for the season or tell him and everyone else that every effort to trade asap is being made. If this goes on without a statement, it will be a new Laker low, and that's saying something.

Game Over.

I've never been divorced (and hopefully never will, but who the heck knows), but watching Kobe last night made it very clear to me that it's doner. I'm very sorry to say it, wish it weren't so, but it's over, finished, kaput. I can't root for Kobe Bryant anymore. ..... Wow. I never thought I'd write those words. Yet there it is. It's over for me and Kobe. Sad, really. I've been in "love" (strictly as a "professional" Laker fan, of course) ever since he burst on the screen as a brash 17 year old. The "feelings" only deepened as he shot airball after airball in that fateful playoff game against Utah, went head to head against MJ in the All Star game, helped lead the Lakers to 3 championships, scored 81 points, etc.

Feelings change, don't they?

I felt similar things towards Shaq, but it was never quite the same. He was never exactly L.A. Oh, sure he was largely responsible for the three-peat, dominated the league, had no real peer (which was probably a major reason for his lack of historical recognition, but I digress), blah-blah-blah.

Shaq was and still is a mercenary. Go where the best opportunity presents itself and step over (and on) whoever happens to be in the way. He's the NBA version of A-Rod, basically. You love to have him on your team, you appreciate his skills, you may even always liked him as a player, but he's not quite "IT". Kareem, despite all his Laker accomplishments, was never as adored by the Laker fans like a brash 19 year old from Michigan with a smile from ear to ear. However, Kareem was clearly smart enough to realize that there was enough sunshine in California for both of them and as the result both were beloved by the fans.

Fine. Shaq is not Kareem. Kobe is not Magic. History lesson over. Let's turn the pages forward to the present.

It literally sickens me now to watch Kobe. Well, ok maybe not "literally". I can't even describe how much better I enjoyed watching the last pre-season game vs. the hapless Kings than the national debacle last night.

Yes, the Lakers made it close in the end. With defense, of course. Yes, Kobe poured in 45 points going 1 on 2,3,4,5 as the situation warranted. Yay.

Don't care anymore. Don't want to see Kobe's tarnished "brilliance" while the Lakers lose. Don't want to see his teammates stand around watching the ball go to #24 and not be ready for the open three, dunk, whatever, because it's the first time they've touched the ball since the 1st quarter.

And don't get me started on Phil's "coaching". You're down by 2 with 24 seconds left. Two timeouts. Maybe you want to use one of them? Considering the game was all but over for about a quarter and a half and somehow you have a chance to pull it out? With a young team, with all the controversy, with all the drama. Take the darn time out, Phillip! Maybe Fisher is set and his feet are behind the line for that last shot. Maybe Kobe takes it in for "and one" instead with no time left on the clock. Maybe you lose the game anyway. So be it, but do something! Maybe take Kwame out for Bynum for offensive purposes? Maybe Fisher shouldn't be trying to get a free throw with a second left, since he's all of 6 foot? Sure it's all heart, but sometimes that's not enough. Maybe Walton isn't your best defender with 2.5 seconds left.

Maybe.

More importantly, it's time to move on. Get me Deng, Thomas, Gordon and picks. Whatever. I'll take watching the young kids stumble and suffer and take their bruises. I'll take Kobe leading the parade in Chicago, because you know what he's become?

He's become Randy Moss. He wants to win? No he doesn't. He wants it easy. He doesn't want to lead this team. He want what he wants. And he wants it now.

Grow up much? Guess not. And I don't care anymore.

Ship him out.

This Laker fan has had enough.

Lakers

Game winning shot.....Luke Walton with an assist from Kwame Brown. Wow, how often is a game is lost because of something like that? Kind of symbolizes my impression of Luke's game last night. I just don't see how we can win with him out there. His entire game stunk. For a cerebral player he makes a lot of bone head plays. Anyway, it would be hard pressed to find anybody who stood out for the Lakers. Other than Derek Fisher and maybe Kobe. Everyone else looked uptight and afraid to shoot the ball. Time to get Javaris and Vlad out there. Kobe was ok, actually better than I expected, but below his normal level. I cut him some slack because of the hand, however. Chris Mihm, did a credible job at power forward, but I have my doubts about him at that position on a long term basis. Why they even bothered guarding him at the 3-pt line, I'll never know. I don't think he has that range, and I don't believe that he is capable of making a dribble move to the basket from that far out. PJ just needs to get these guys to relax and just play ball.

Roger

Some random observations:

- Considering the propoganda campaign from the front office and the media (LA Times) to blame this whole mess entirely on Kobe (just like with the Shaq trade), is it any wonder there was some booing by the gullible blind sheep in the audience? I heard more Baaaas that Boooooos.

- Farmar - Has an uncanny resemblance to that cute little mouse from "American Tail".

- Cook - Why is he still in this league? if it wasn't for Kupcake and Jim, Cook would be flippin burgers. Cook owes Jim and Kupcake his life.

- Kobe, "who will most likely tank the games" comes to the game three and a half hours early. Meanwhile, a "rededicated" Bynum comes to the game half hour late. Hmmmmm.

- Turiaf - has a huge heart, and little skill.

- Mihm - I didn't think it was possible, but the Lakers managed to sign a player that is possibly worse on defense that Cook and Luke. Now I know why nobody wanted this "skilled" seven footer on the cheap in the summer.
If Mihm, Cook and Luke are on the floor together, Holy &%%^%$$! We are toast.

T-Mac - What a luxury to have Battier defend the other team's best player and spread the floor for you, while Luke is guarding you most of the game. You lucky bastard!

- Kwame - the biggest flop since Ryan Leaf, Teen Wolf 3, Men's thong underwear, and Vlade Divac's defense. The sad thing is, Kwame is by far our most effective center this season, and will be a key factor in determining a playoff berth.

- If Crittenton is given minutes, he will be twice the player Farmar is THIS year. Play him Phil, let him learn from his rookie mistakes, and you will be rewarded by the end of the year.

akr_68

"Get me Deng, Thomas, Gordon and picks"

In the required reading we learn that Deng is the untouchable reason nothing is getting done. You want Gordon and fillers?

I'm bettin' somewhere in the middle of the ensuing 34 win season, you will tune that out. It's not Sacramento's scrubs in the pre season anymore.

The only question is: if they can't make the right deal, should they deal anyway or regroup and SAY SO?

That photo of Walton contesting Battier's shot? Look are decieving. Look at the ball, where it is. That tells you that Walton is way late. Look at video of the game. Walton was moving toward Ming, Kwame, and the pic being set when the passer spotted Battier. Walton tried to recover but it was too late. And this was with seconds left in the game. Why would he try to help so far away from the basket when Kwame had shown on the pic and had the man blanketed?

Is this high IQ basketball? Then we're in trouble.

mike

are the bulls stupid? must be.

look, luol deng and ben gordon are good players.

but kobe IS luol deng & ben gordon combined in one player. probably even better than that.

kobe remains the best player in the game.

and for the bulls to be naive and not trade two good players for one great player, is inexcusable.

after kobe's performance last night, the deal took a couple of steps closer to getting done.

bulls should send deng, gordon, thomas and a first round pick today for kobe bryant.

everybody keeps telling the lakers to get it done...when it's chicago that is holding up the entire process for stupid reasons.

How frustrating is all of this trade stuff. I'm with Magic. I wish they would either get it over with so I can start being upset about how little we got for Kobe or say they're not going to trade him (better) and let the healing begin. That, or they need to work out whatever front office chaos is going on behind the scenes. I never thought I'd say this, but it's tough to root for the team when all we get is this drama. Get back to basketball so I can enjoy my Lakers obsession.

Thanks,

RM

bright spots

Turiaf helped lakers jump out to early lead
laker's D was niiiice
fish/kob were their same old clutch selves
lakers showed they dont give up.

Downers

Kobe didn't get people involved very much
Cook took a terrible shot everytime he touched the ball (why is he in there?)

How frustrating is all of this trade stuff. I'm with Magic. I wish they would either get it over with so I can start being upset about how little we got for Kobe or say they're not going to trade him (better) and let the healing begin. That, or they need to work out whatever front office chaos is going on behind the scenes. I never thought I'd say this, but it's tough to root for the team when all we get is this drama. Get back to basketball so I can enjoy my Lakers obsession.

Thanks,

RM

Tough game. We've got a long ways to go. Still, we hit free throws and we win the game. Kobe's game was a 60+ pt performance but because he played awfully it was 45. It was therefore a subpar Kobe performance, driving into a closed lane WAY too many times with only hopes of referee bail out, wrist hurting and his shot off = poor performance. I don't mind his occasional 60+ games as long as he's on, but last night, ugh. Anyway, I was happy to see him putting everything on the line. He also led the team in assists, and he made some great passes, it's just he had a mentality to drive the lane on every possession and I'm not sure why.

The Kobe boos. I expected him to get booed in the introduction. Jim or Jerry would ALSO get booed if they were on the big screen. Fans are displeased with a lot, most of which is Jerry & Jim, less so regarding Kobe himself. The fans chanting Kobe-Kobe when he was at the line only shows you they're unhappy with how he handled everything, otherwise why chant his name? The real boos are reserved for the real cancers on this team.

This talk that the boos were orchestrated. I don't buy it. Sorry. If someone can show me some evidence of this, then HOLY SMOKES. If the owner(s) would actually take the time, energy, thought, and resources into orchestrating boos (which I think would have happened regardless) then there would be fan uproar, literally, with pitch forks and torches all the way up to Nash street. Jim & Jerry would be in a literal fight for their lives...

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You're right. I'd probably feel different. However, I think that I'm past the point of no return with Kobe. Unless, he can somehow be brought to play team basketball, I don't want to watch what I saw last night for the next 81 games.

Well, maybe I do. With a different result.

As for not getting Deng? Sure. Paxson would rather keep the next Horace Grant than get the next Michael Jordan. Especially with what Boston did last summer.

It was still painful to watch last night.

Maybe Odom would have helped.

I think he's taller than Walton.

and for all the bynum lovers out there, you have to love last night's stat line:

minutes: 19
points: 4
rebounds: 4
blocked shots: 1
fouls: 3

we're trading the best player in the league because ownership believes that bynum is the next great center, when he really resembles kwame brown jr.

wow.

i don't know what's worse: bynum's defense or that stupid smirk he makes after having a foul called against him...

the kid looks lost on defense, but thinks he is kareem on offense.

not only do the lakers think bynum is better than he truly is, so does bynum.

not to mention bynum showing up a half hour late when he only lives 11 miles away from staples. tnt showed phil jackson dressing bynum down for showing up late on opening night.

yep, jimmy buss is a prophet. bynum is the real deal. a real effin flop.

yikes.

no wonder kobe wants out.

so three years from now, will we all sound like a broken record?

because right now, many claim that we traded the wrong player 3 years ago in shaquille o'neal.

so in 3 years, will we be saying the same thing about kobe bryant?

yikes.

ouch babe, verrrry ouch.

last night's game felt like a funeral...i normally stay up 2 hours after a lakers game is over to catch post game coverage.

i knocked out in the middle of the third quarter, and i must admit that i am happy that i did.

The STH Report - Opening Night

There are two videos that are show before each Lakers home game. One is the "I Love LA" video and the other is "The Tradition" montage. "The Tradition" begins with Chick Hearn and shows clips of great Lakers players and moments - Mikan, Baylor, West's halfcourt shot, Wilt, Goodrich, Kareem, Cooper, Worthy, Magic's baby hook, Kobe's alley-oop to Shaq against Portland, Horry for 3 against Sac, D-Fish with .04 left, Kobe for the win against PHX in game 4. There are so many great memories but the one that always gets me is a clip looking up at Magic with the banners in the distance behind him as he's jogging out of the tunnel onto the court at the Forum. It's amazing to remember the sense of reassurance and confidence I felt as a young Lakers fan every time I saw that. I remember being shocked in 86 when we lost to Houston (that improbable shot by Sampson) and thinking - you mean we don't play in the Finals every year - since we had gotten there every year since I started watching. He led his team to the Finals 9 times. 9 times!

Cut to present day and Kobe has boos rained down on him by the fans as he gets introduced. The fans sitting next to me in their Lower Merion HS and Team USA jerseys were beside themselves with anger. They took it out on Bynum the whole rest of the game - screaming at him to be traded every time he touched the ball. Obviously, it was difficult for fans to keep booing since Kobe was the only Laker making any shots.

That first quarter was really encouraging. Kobe played in-your-jersey defense and there were nice rotations and communication on D in general. The offense was smooth with everyone sharing the ball. That wasn't sustained obviously in the second and third quarters - especially the beginnings of those quarters - and 3/4 of the fourth quarter. The pressure defense down the stretch that caused the improbable comeback was great (seems to be the case often against Houston as was evidenced last year a couple times). It was fate that the team ended falling 2 points short considering the Luke-Kwame bobble. It's obvious the defense is a work in progress and hardest to sustain when there are fresh substitutions or weak links in the chain. Hopefully it will get better and the team will have the focus and energy to play tough D like that for a full 48.

The team fell into Kobe-ball a bunch last night. It seems to me that, at a certain point, it ends up just being Kobe on one side of the floor with his teammates cleared out to the other side. I don't know if that's by design or if the Triangle only has enough rotations to last half the shot clock and the players don't know where to go after that.

Kwame played great - really solid on both ends. Bynum's effort was forgettable, mostly because he wasn't involved in a lot of plays when he was on the floor. Fisher was great - he knew when to press and where to be. He knocked down some great shots when we needed him to. Farmar played solid - nice pressure D and good decision-making offensively. Maurice got abused a bit b/c he's a little undersized. The Mihm at PF experiment looks great on D and horrible on offense - he's supposed to have that mid-range jumper right? Ronny was a warrior as always and really got banged around and knocked down a lot. I don't know how long those hips are going to last taking that abuse nightly.

Was the poor free throw shooting to blame for the loss? It would've changed the complexion of the game but that's about it. Maybe that improbable comeback wouldn't have been necessary. You definitely can't say it would've guaranteed a win because the game would've been played differently by both sides had things been closer the whole time. This Houston team is good and deep, especially at the guard spots. Mike James is a lot to handle for any G, much less our back-ups. Bonzi too.

The last thing I'll say is that the free tacos from Jack-In-the Box promotion has been changed. Now we get them if the Lakers win and hold their opponents to under 100 points instead of 90.

If only Kwame were on the Suns.

If he were we coud trade Odom for Kwame, Banks and Atanta's #1. We let Kwame walk, draft in the top 6 and further restock the farm system.

If only Kwame were on the Suns.

Wes

If the players really are that afraid to shoot the ball you might want to think about the reasons why that might be the case.

AN OPEN INVITATION TO EVERYONE THAT POSTED ON THIS BLOG DURING LAST NIGHT'S GAME:

I am currently reading all of your posts from last night's game and I had to stop because I am absolutely shocked by the stupidity and utter lack of basketball knowledge evident in much of the crap that I was reading. It is abundantly clear that only a select few posters understand basketball (mike T, Faith, hobbitimage). It is also clear that there are many out there that haven't played the game or just don't understand it. For example: some of you (Korey, utz, fakerz) were just unforgiving in your criticism of Kobe Bryant for finishing fastbreaks in the 4th quarter by taking the ball to the hole and getting the foul call instead of passing to the man up ahead. Let me explain this to you: 1) THE REFS WERE PUTTING HIM ON THE LINE AND HE KNEW THAT; 2) HE INTENTIONALLY WANTED TO GET HOUSTON ITS 5TH TEAM FOUL AND INTO THE PENALTY, AND HE DID SO WITH 6:10 LEFT TO PLAY; 3) HE IS THE TEAMS BEST FREE THROW SHOOTER IN GAME DECIDING SITUATIONS.

I thought this would be clear to most people that post on a basketball blog but apparently not. Say what you will about KL, and lord knows that I disagree with 99% of the crap that he spews, but at least you could tell from some of his posts that he understood how the game is played. God da*n people. Maybe it's because I'm in my 30s and I played college ball that I get so upset reading some of the garbage some of you people post. You are the same people that were complaining about how a sure-fire 1st ballot hall-of-famer, 3-time NBA champion, 2-time scoring champion, unanimous best player in the league, was playing IN THE PRESEASON. IT WAS THE FREAKIN' PRE-SEASON YOU MORONS. KOBE BRYANT DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVE A DAMN THING IN THE PRE-SEASON. He said not to worry about him and he was right, KOBE'S PLAY ON THE COURT SHOULD BE THE LEAST OF OUR CONCERNS.

Was I the only person that watched that game and saw Bryant all over the court on defense and desperately trying to keep his team in the game by going to the hole when his shot wasn't falling? Was I the only one that was screaming at the tv for Kobe TO SHOOT THE BALL MORE BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT ANY OF THOSE OTHER STIFFS (EXCEPT FOR FISH) TO SHOOT THE BALL DURING CRUNCH TIME. I know Mike T noticed that Luke Walton's missed wide open 3 killed us. Our best player, the league's best player, refused to give up on that Bonzi Wells layup and refused to give up on that game even though the team as a whole was struggling with its offense. He left it all out on the court, and you idiots have the nerve to criticize him.

You fake ass Laker fans deserve what you get. Real basketball people know that this league is a business, and Buss and his son's first allegiance is to the bottom line. Wake up already. They have sold me, you, and everybody else a bill of goods and they are waging a all-out pr war against a guy who kept his mouth shut for 3 years and who only cares about winning. Just how Lakers brass did not want to take the blame for Shaq's departure, Buss is putting this entire situation on Kobe...AND YOU IDIOTS ARE EATING IT UP. Why do Lakers fans, or some sports fans in general, have an obsession with decorum and formality when it comes to pro atheletes? Questioning and criticizing Lakers ownership/management does NOT make you any less of a Laker, much like openly criticizing the policy choices of that idiot in the whitehouse does not make you less patriotic or less of an American.

Someone on this blog posted a couple weeks ago that you don't fault a battered woman for wanting to leave the relationship. Well said.

Please people, think before you post. I know some of you are very young and are unaware that Kobe's calling out of Laker ownership & management IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT CHARLES BARKLEY DID IN PHILADELPHIA, IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT MJ DID IN CHICAGO THAT RESULTED IN DOUG COLLINS GETTING FIRED, AND IS SIMILAR TO WHAT MAGIC JOHNSON DID WHEN HE DEMANDED THAT WESTHEAD BE FIRED. All of these people are obsessed with winning and that is precisely what makes them special. Desire to win is the most important trait a professional athlete can have. Ian Thompson's article on SI.com makes this exact point. He reminds us that there is a huge fundamental difference between Shaq's rift with the Lakers over money and Kobe's disagreement with the Lakers because of his overwhelming desire to win now and the Lakers' clear intent to build for the future and not contend right now. If you people can not comprehend the enormity of the difference between these two situations, then you don't deserve to call yourselves basketball fans.

Blkthght06

ps. mark these words: IF THE LAKERS TRADE KOBE, THEY WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP FOR A VERY LONG TIME. KOBE IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. INCOMPETENT OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

LAKER TRUTH,

>>>Cook - Why is he still in this league? if it wasn't for Kupcake and Jim,
>>>Cook would be flippin burgers. Cook owes Jim and Kupcake his life.

I like your way of thinking here. Maybe the Lakers should hire someone
named Brian Dunk... or Bill Defender... or Bob Block...

Tim Willis: "FIRE MITCH KUPCHAK

If his player acquisitions, or lack there of, were not enough of a reason, Mitch should be fired for PR purposes. As long as he wears the GM title, all fans and players will remember is his dismantling of a dynasty.

Could Kupchak have handled the Shaq and now Kobe situations ANY WORSE? Certainly, this wouldn't have happened under Jerry West. BRING BACK WEST."

Kupchack is not the problem. He is nothing more than a puppet, an errand boy for Dr. Buss and his son THE REAL CANCER. Doesn't matter who gets fired and who gets traded, we are doomed as long as Jim Buss is in control of the ship.

Justin,
"I know.. I'm just writing a fiction... "
Justin you are a Freakin Genius and that's a fact.!

I like what magic said post game.. the lakers NEED to decide in the next week or so whether they are going to trade kobe or if not they need to flat out come out and say no we are not...
same thing i've said before.. what is it going to be? either your going right or your goin left. which is it?!? give me a break already!

For those fans dogging Bynum, here's what you have to look forward to:
Great games against teams that don't have a center, and games like this where you have a dominant big such as Yao who can push socks around.

It's unfair to take all our problems out on Socks, the kid has done a good job, give him CREDIT. Bynum is not the problem, he might resememble the problem (Jim) but Bynum himself is a good kid.

Mike T,

>>>That photo of Walton contesting Battier's shot? Look are decieving...
>>>
>>>Is this high IQ basketball? Then we're in trouble.

Yes, because the entire rest of the game didn't mean anything. Only that
last play mattered. If you want to throw some blame, look at your boy Kwame's
stat line. 0-for-4 on free throws. 4 points for the game. You talk about how
Luke's man beat the Lakers. Luke's man scored 11 points. Kwame's man
scored 25.

Mike T, wake up and smell the coffee. Kwame is just as average a defender
as Luke is.

I hope Bynum keeps working out and builds a bit more muscle. As soon as
he gets strong enough to stand up to someone like Yao, Kwame becomes
15th man on the bench.

0-for-4 on free throws. Heck, it was almost like having Shaq back... except
without the 30 points and 12 rebounds and 3 blocks.

for having a stake in ownership of the lakers, magic johnson is as clueless as the rest of us.

he wanted the lakers to make a move this summer and acquire another star to help kobe. didn't happen.

last night, he sounded like many of us on this blog. same theories and opinions about lakers management, kobe, and this melodrama.

it is crazy to think the buss family has not consulted magic johnson on this process. you know, to get his opinion on this matter or maybe even help out the process.

our star player is nuts.

our front office is nuts.

and the fans are the ones who have to deal with it.

sucks for us.

Kiwi,

"If the players really are that afraid to shoot the ball you might want to think about the reasons why that might be the case."

So..... professional basketball players need to be coddled as if they were sub-par players in a 12-year-old girls' league? Nice. The way you tell it, Luke Walton would miss a shot, Kobe would yell at him and Luke would start bawling and have to be subbed out of the game. (or something)

THANK YOU MAMBA 24. THANK YOU BZAR. THANK YOU LAKERTRUTH. THANK YOU SHOW.

THOSE GUYS ARE RIGHT. YOU FAKE-ASS LAKERS FANS HAVE THE NERVE, THE GALL, TO ACTUALLY BOO A GUY WHO I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES PLAY IN A GAME WITH A SEPARATED SHOULDER AND WITH ONE ARM AND SHOOTING WITH HIS LEFT HAND RATHER THAN LET HIS TEAM LOSE. DO YOU PEOPLE REALIZE THAT MOST MILLIONAIRE ATHLETES WILL GLADLY TAKE ANY EXCUSE TO TAKE A NIGHT OFF?

FOR 12 YEARS THIS MAN HAS BLED PURPLE & GOLD AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE FREKIN' STONES TO BOO THIS GUY? F U GUYS. KOBE BRYANT HAS BROUGHT LA 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS. DURING THOSE CHAMPIONSHIP RUNS, SHAQ WAS A LIABILITY IN EVERY 4TH QUARTER....EVERY SINGLE ONE, AND KOBE CLOSED THOSE 4TH QUARTERS, ALL OF THEM, AND HE BROUGHT US THOSE CHAMPIONSHIPS. YOU PEOPLE ARE SUCH INGRATES.

YOU FAKE-ASS FAUX LAKER FANS ARE EITHER TOO YOUNG OR TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THAT YOUR OWNER HAS CONNED YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT THIS TEAM CAN CONTEND FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP AND THAT OUR STAR PLAYER IS TO BLAME FOR ALL THAT IS WRONG.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. PLEASE STOP BEHAVING LIKE SHEEP. PLEASE STOP ACCEPTING AS GOSPEL THE SAME TIRED REGURGITATED CRAP FROM THE MEDIA. THOSE OTHER CHAMPIONSHIP-STARVED MEDIA MARKETS WANT OUR GUY AND ALL OF YOU SMALL-MINDED MYOPICS CAN'T SEE THAT.

Blkthght06

yeah blkthght06,
so your sayin let kobe brick freethrows? didnt he have a bad wrist? so your sayin he should get injured more? when he went for the break he should have dished it out to the guys following him who was in position to score easily. not only is that a automatic score, but he wouldnt have to take FT's. also, it gets others back into the game. kobe BALL HOGGED, plain and simple when he didnt have to. i understand he was pissed when nobody stepped up, but when he gets like that THE MUTHA EFFIN LAKERS LOSE!!! what dont you guys understand about that?? he is at his best when FOCUSED, not FRUSTRATED. when his team is on point, INVOLVED. okay, they wasnt hitting the open look, but if kobe had the chance to give them a high percent shot, why not defer? he needs them as much as they need him.

poor kobe.. didn't know what hit him with all the boos, but thats what happens bro don't mess with laker fans, we love you and all and hope you want to stay but if you don't then your not getting no love.. for what?! But its not kobe's fault he's been so spoiled, he's just not grateful really plain and simple. period.
He needs more humbling situations. I bet he was asked today this morning by SOMEbody.. for once and for good.. do you want out still? Wonder what he said or is thinking...
if kobe is an idiot he will still want out. cut and dry. if he got some smarts then he will beg to stay. unfortunately he is not a begger so i'm afraid something will happen that neither party wants to happen but will out of egos. JERKS.
yea i don't care we lost the first game, i don't know what everybody saw out there but i saw a good solid team. call me crazy, lamar isn't even back yet... all those missed free throws.. i'm not dissapointed at all its funny.

Justin,

the only thing is that they won't clear his name and that will be fine with kobe. He let people think he ran shaq out for the good of the team and the lakers...he'll do the same with this situation too.

To all the people saying the Lakers should settle the issue and either trade
Kobe or say they're not going to trade him this year:

Tonight could settle the issue one way or another.

If by 11:59 tonight neither Ben Gordon nor Luol Deng has signed an extension,
then John Paxson will have financial motivation to trade one or the other. If
neither Deng or Gordon is willing to accept 10 million a year, then the chance
that one of them would get traded for Kobe increases.

If both Gordon and Deng sign their extensions, then it becomes nearly
impossible for the Bulls to trade for Kobe this season. With all the poison
pill provisions and base year compensation players, it just wouldn't happen.

Then the other meaningful date would be December 15, when Nocioni,
Smith, and Mihm could be included in trades.

Kiwi,

Huh? an attempt at humor?

Some things I forgot to mention:

Marge Hearn made the starting introductions. Her mic was horrible and the crowd had to remain perfectly silent to hear her. Jeffrey Osborne sang the national anthem on opening night for the 24th? time in a row. Lisa Estrada got some new official title but is still the lady in charge of the Laker Girls.

I had a conversation with a fellow season ticket holder before the game. This guy's seats go back to the days of the Fabulous Forum (before the GW Forum) and the first words out of his mouth were "we just need to trade the guy." He's done with all the Kobe drama. And this is the same guy who educated me on all the drama Magic and Kareem were involved in that I was too young to even comprehend. He knows drama will always be a part of the Lakers fabric, but he's seen enough generations of Lakers teams to know that there will be life after Kobe and if the guy wants out then the team should give him his wish. We'd be fine rebuilding (really rebuilding) for awhile. Let the young guys either develop or fail. But let's move on.

I brought my girlfriend's 7 year old to the game as I often do. He got his face painted with a purple and gold basketball and his hair painted purple. He screamed "defense" until his voice was hoarse and cheered every Lakers shot that was made. He screamed for Kobe and wished he made more free throws. He was beside himself when Fisher made the shot to tie the game and was almost in tears when we lost. It's nice to see such a pure Lakers fan at so young an age. I didn't get to go to my first game until the late 80s even though I grew up in Inglewood. It was the only time I got to see Magic and Kareem in person.

Jerry West made a comment of something that didn't occur to me before.

All you Kobe haters that keep saying Kobe never won a championship
without Shaq?

Magic Johnson never won a championship without Kareem.

Pretty sobering thought, huh?

AK OR BK

DID VLAD SIT OUT LAST NIGHT BECAUSE OF A SORE THROAT?

I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE TRUTH. IS THAT A RUMOR?

JImbo are you listinning, get Artest on this team.. Offer Kwame Mo and Brian Cook as well Javaris if oyu need to, take back one of their bad contract's like Kenny Thomas's or Shareef's... They are looking to move Artest, they really want to rebuild....
Imagine a line up of

Kobe/Farmar
Artest/Fisher
Lamar/Luke
Turiaf/Vrad
Bynum/Mimm/Shareef

This team would at least win 50 game's if not more...

HAS ANYBODY NOTICED KEN LANDERS INITIALS? KEN LANDERS IS AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PROGRAM!

Hey,congraudulations to Mark Heisler for telling the truth!

"Unfortunately, that pretty much ended their good times for the moment. The Rockets took over in the third quarter, going up by 10 points when Derek Fisher knocked the ball loose and, as everyone else changed ends, Luke Walton then accidentally batted it into the Rockets' basket."

Luke Walton, not Kwame Brown and Luke Walton, batted that basket in for the Rockets.

Luke Walton scores 2-points for the Rockets and allows a 3-pointer at the end of the game. That's 5-points, man.

Had Kwame Brown batted that ball in alone...guys like AK and BK would be making jokes. Luke Walton bats the ball in and it's Luke and Kwame. Just an accident.

mike

People, people, people, it is just one freakin' game. You can look at the negatives or the positives at this game and come to vastly different conclusions. And based ont he comments that is certainly the case. But one game doesn't make a season. We didn't even have all of our players available - particularly LO. Kwame played some good D at times, Bynum looked good and bad - basically the whole squad had good moments and bad moments. If you are optimistic - you see improvements on some of the young guys. If you are a pessimist you will think the Lakers stink and there is no hope. I am betting the likely scenario is that the Lakers start slowly and finish strong IF they stay healthy.

The big issue - as always is Kobe. No matter if you fault Kobe, management, or a combination. Something has to happen to end it. Sadly when trading the best talent in the NBA you cannot hope to get equal value. Since it is a business, sometimes in business you must do something that hurts your profits in the short term for long-term benefit. We all know Kobe doesn't want to be here, fine. Get him out and get what you can. Even if Kobe says "Get player X and I will be happy" - if it doesn't result in what Kobe deems acceptable - Championship, WC finals appearance - whatever - does he go on another radio tour. If I am the owner/gm I don't take that chance. I ship him out - and start over. Look at the Celtics. No one envisioned them with KG and Ray Allen. I think McHale did his old team a favor - and would never have dealt him to the Lakers and I don't see how a rational person could think differently. It was two old pals doing a deal with a friend - not a fellow competitor per se.

Kobe is damned if he does damned if he doesn't - he cannot win no matter what he does with the Lakers. He is great, he may or may not deserve the scorn directed at him. He however, has made this bed with management/ownership and now it needs to come to and end. The Lakers need to move on and get back - however long it may take to doing what they do. Win championships. No more of this first round and out stuff. They need to contend for titles, get to the finals and win. The sooner this drama is ended we will be that much closer to the next Lakers championship.

Eagleboy


Utzworld gives a STANDING OVATION to Blkthght06 for his tremendous insight and Wizdum!!!

Youngling, while you have been obviously "long time reading - first time posting" today, let me take you to school on something. This Banner I'm holding, I've been holding since the Showtime era. Which means I'm smart enough to know that if Magic had been the same position that Kobe was in last night, he would have DISHED THE BALL to the next open teammate who would have got a +1 free throw after the basket scored. That's why it's called T E A M W O R K.

It's certainly better than drawing the foul and going 1 for 2 on your remaining free throw attempts because you're shooting on a bad wrist.

the laker coaching staff is to blame for not attacking enough to put houston in foul trouble early. i commented that they should have been attacking inside because houston was becoming foul prone. that should have been emphisized from coming out of the 3rd. the lakers settled for jumpers when the shot wasnt there. who was shooting the most at the time? KOBE. but the whole squad is to blame for not driving in and creating contact. probably scared of fouling out.

mike t,

is every player on the floor kwame brown to you? because i swear i thought kwame was horsesh- yesterday. that fool got own all up and down the court. by EVERYONE. he had moments on the paint, ill give him that, but everybody shot over his 6-10 no jumpin ass. yao backed him up, step out, shot and scored, EVERYTIME. you would think that he could have done something about it. NOPE. rony played better d on yao than kwame and that wasnt even his man!! come on you got to admit that kwame was straight foolish last night. even though you have a good insight on this sport, your one sided love for that d leaguer is disturbing.

One more thing, I really like'd PJ not getting Sasha a minute time in the game... I think your going to see PJ doing the same with Cook as soon as Lamar and Vrad get back... I don't see them two playing that many significant minutes that much...

BUt we have to go after Artest with all we got except for Kobe, Lamar, Fish, and Bynum ( who I think will be a beast in a couple of years if he works on this game every off season)... Unlike Kwame, Bynum cares.....

Blkthght06,
"WAKE UP PEOPLE. PLEASE STOP BEHAVING LIKE SHEEP.

OUT FREAKING STANDING B06!!

Long Time laker Fan,
"All you Kobe haters that keep saying Kobe never won a championship
without Shaq? Magic Johnson never won a championship without Kareem.
Pretty sobering thought, huh?"

You said it all sir?

Blkthght06

'Laker ownership & management IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT CHARLES BARKLEY DID IN PHILADELPHIA, IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT MJ DID IN CHICAGO THAT RESULTED IN DOUG COLLINS GETTING FIRED, AND IS SIMILAR TO WHAT MAGIC JOHNSON DID WHEN HE DEMANDED THAT WESTHEAD BE FIRED.'

Your wrong...plain wrong.What Kobe is doing is unprecedented.

A star player deals with a coach a lot more and sees the effect on the team.In some respects he is the person in the best position to judge.Sometimes its down to disagreement and the player may not be right but on the whole ,as unpleasant as it is, I can see the logic in a star having some clout here.Basketball purists will hate the idea but in reality there is some logic in it.
Coaching is about basketball.

With business and trades and the franchises overall future it is basically down to the owner...you want someone else making decisions about your investments? especially if that someone is trained for a completely different role in your company?

Kobe signed a contract ( very long and lucrative one) even if he was lied to and he trusted the wrong people - thats his problem essentially.He is a tool that the franchise can use how they see fit.Now they have to keep him happy in order to succeed but one look at how they guy handles his business and you cant automatically assume its their fault hes unhappy.

Compared to alot of players Kobe hasnt suffered that badly 3 'bad' season with two of them being playoff appearances are not nearly enough to warrant this.He believes they havent been trying to win? maybe he should have investigated how long it takes teams to rebuild to championship level..and his decisions arent based on the team winning as much as it is him winning.Kobe overestimated his ability to control the lakers fortunes - simple as that.You might think its great he wants your team to win right now but in reality he doesnt care about the franchise or the costs this might have.Whoever is in charge is there to do the best thing for the franchise as a whole...thats what they are paid for.Keeping kobe happy is just one element of that.hes not paid to get Kobe another ring becasue thats what Kobe wants.

m not saying it is right that he's tied in...becasue you or I can leave our company when we dont like what they stand for or we believe theyve lied to us...Kobe cant.But that is the system and how it works....What happens if these stunts become the norm? They wont becasue most players have to much respect for the benefits of their position and sign contracts knowing what the deal is.Even problem child Iverson had commitment to the sixers and took alot of serious losing before calling for a trade.Most of the time its by mutual agreement becasue the teams absolutely stink.To do this becasue your right and expectation is to play for a championship is BS.

Compared to alot of players Kobe hasnt suffered that badly...not nearly enough to warrant this...and his decisions arent based on the team winning as much as it is him winning.

Kobe is showing a lack of understanding or respect to the entire concept of professional sports.He has every right in a personal sense to do what he needs to do...but that doesnt make it RIGHT and it certainly doesnt mean that he wont (or shouldnt) be criticised for it.

Gunner-

Yes, that's why he didn't play.

BK

Laker Truth,

Can't agree with you on J-Crit. He hasn't proved anything yet.
The fact that Phil played Coby Karl, who played like a vet, and sat J-Crit should tell you everything you need to know. J-Crit has size, speed, and skills, but has a lot to learn. You could see his confusion all pre-season long.
Farmar may not have had his best night, but his speed, skills, and savvy have earned him the minutes. He played the 4th period with poise and confidence, and didn't let his play in the 2nd period mess up his head. That's what a coach looks for.

lakers_sth,

Great posts. Thanks for the insight. The bit about Magic looking up at the banners brought back good Laker memories. Those were the glory days.

Blkthght06,

I agree with your opinions. I'm not an advanced basketball mind, but my perceptions of the situation are in line with yours. Of course, I probably would have left out the "Fake fans" and "moron" stuff, but we all have our different styles!

NOBODY is siding with the laker FO. all you guys talkin that BS what are you gonna do about it? complain and gripin on this blog isnt gonna do jack sh-. ya'll talk a big game, but you support the product. HYPOCRITES. and some of you talk about people booing kobe and all that. NO ONE IS DOING SH*T ABOUT THIS PROBLEM!! NOT THE LAKER FO, NOT THE PLAYERS, NOT KOBE, NOT EVEN THE FANS!! DONT TALK SH*T ABOUT ANYONE IF YOUR NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! WHEN I SEE YOU IN FRONT OF STAPLES PROTESTING AND BOYCOTTING THE LAKERS INEPTITUDE, THEN TALK. UNTIL THEN, STOP CRITICIZING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHATS GOING ON!! NOT A SINGLE FAN, KOBE HATER OR NOT WANTED THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN, BUT IT DID. if you hate the lakers FO so much, STOP ENJOYING THIS TEAM AND GET THE HELL OFF THIS BLOG!! why torture yourself? join clipper nation. cuz in the end, THE LAKER FRONT OFFICE IS THE LAKERS!!!!! END OF STORY. take it or leave it.

Andrew Bynum sets weak ass pics. How is that caring? Just look at the start of the 4th quarter until he's pulled from the game.

Wolf and all others: From Blkthght06

"I am currently reading all of your posts from last night's game and I had to stop because I am absolutely shocked by the stupidity and utter lack of basketball knowledge evident in much of the crap that I was reading. It is abundantly clear that only a select few posters understand basketball (mike T, Faith, hobbitimage).

It's not that lack knowledge. It's that they don't care. All they want if for their favorite players to be in the game no matter what.

And yes I did see Walton miss those 3s and a number of other things that hurt us. Not just from Walton but untimely turnovers by Turiaf to start the 3rd quarter allowed the Rockets to create a little distance. Then when PJ replaced Turiaf with Cook...well combine that stuff and it's plain to see.

mike

Tim-4-Show,

i am not blaming all of our problems on socks.

but let's not make this kid out more than he is.

maybe i went over the top on ridiculing his play last night.

but socks will at best be an average player in this league.

as i have written all summer, andrew bynum HAS to become a great player in this league in order to make the exodus of kobe worthwhile.

if socks is not the real deal holyfield, then we are gonna look mighty stupid.

as if we don't already...

Cbuck yeah sorry...couldnt resist.it was in the middle of my Kobe loyalist fit.

McGarnagle

No theres only one player that needs to be coddled like a 12 year old girl...

Its pretty simple...you got a larger than life character who is your leader acting (and having said) he doesnt trust you then you lose your confidence.Its not about being coddled...obviously you dont manage people for a living.

Im not saying its Kobes fault.Maybe its not...but I didnt see Jordans teamates looking hesitant.To not even question whether or not their problems are related to this malarky or not is plain stupid.

IF KOBE KEEPS SHOWING GAMES LIKE THIS, WE WILL LOOSE HIM FAASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET.

utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER

you keep holding that banner....but it doesn't change the fact the Magic was a PG and kobe is a SG...they tend to think different.

Posted by: Kiwi | October 31, 2007 at 11:57 AM

now THAT'S a post! good job as usual kiwi!! you GOD DAMN RIGHT!!

message to bynum

There are lots of luxury condominium near Staple Center.

ps. mark these words: IF THE LAKERS TRADE KOBE, THEY WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP FOR A VERY LONG TIME. KOBE IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. INCOMPETENT OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

.- Blkthght06

Exactly my feelings man. To add further, I'm glad I'm a Laker fan in Texas. I don't want to be lumped with those fans who booed their own franchise player or any Laker player. If I was at Staples and near any one of those who did it, there might have been some fist fight. What those fans didt is just pure NO CLASS act.

Yeah, I guess it's time to let Kobe go for his own and the Lakers sake. And I hope he will be here in Dallas. That way, he will be better appreciated and supported for his quest to win.

Blkthght06 ,

Well Spoken my friend.

I knew I wasnt the only one who saw this with the Lakers. Just like Cowlin Cowhed was saying this morning on 710 espn. The Lakers are a mess and ego is the main issue here. how in the hell can the Laker fans boo someone who single handed kept the Lakers in the game. The man lead the team in points, steals and tied in rebounds and assist. boy, boy, boy, you LA ppl are really fickle arent you. ready to toss out the best player in the league because he called out mgmt.

To Kobe, im sorry you had to get booed before the game only to have those same ppl cheer b/c no one else on the team could do anything. Just wait til he's traded and your in the lottery every year and making bad draft choices. Most of you fickle LA fans do not know the slightest about basketball.

Blkthght06 thanks for explaining the situation in detail and reassuring to me that there are some fans out there who actually can see whats going on and can see throught the FO's Bulls*it...

wow we have two extremes on this blog, KL/gunner and below avg joe and laker (fake)"truth".....wonder if they are the same????? steven and tarugo is that you? why do these guys always comes in twos?

Mike T -

I'll tell you right now. Andrew Bynum is too weak on the defensive end and sets weak ass pics.


So you are saying Kwame is better???? Because he sets better picks???
And that he is a good defensive player?

I have no further questions....

After firing Mitch Kupchak, Dr. Buss, please keep your son JIMBO out of the Laker sight. He is a plain distraction in looks and in intelligence. HE IS A BUM! Real laker fans will support you if you do this, but if you trade the only remaining threat w/in Laker line-up, WE WILL CAMPAIGN TO BASKETBALL LOVING FANS OF LA TO JUNK THESE LAKERS anything including this LAKERS BLOG just like what we did to the Raiders and Rams.

Common, Doctor trade him now so you will feel the wrath of this City. The haters will be born.

The Wolf

Thank you I really appreciate it

DAVID STERN GIVING AWARDS LAST NIGHT.

KWAME BROWN GOT AN AWARD FOR "most useless player of the year"!

COOK " 15TH MAN OF THE YEAR"

KWAME AND COOK PLAYING TOGETHER! CHARLES, MAGIC AND KENNY LAUGHING OUT LOUD!

Posted by: Michael Teniente | October 31, 2007 at 12:06 PM

see mike thats what i mean. you are very good in analyzing the game. you have good points, but you make kwame out to be the #1 pick like he isnt. criticize him more often and you cant lose an arguement.

Blkthght06,

i personally wouldn't boo kobe and i was suprised so many people did. i understand some of it, but i also don't really understand it.. if you want somebody to change or stay in kobe's case, you simply don't boo him or become negative towards him. Its that simple. I understand kobe's frustrations and hope he wants to stay a laker so i cheer for him to encourage him to stay, people do wake up. with that being said i also understand some of the fans frustrations too but kobe might be right.. they don't know whats goin on. peace.

KWAME BROWN I HEARD IS A GOOD CHESS PLAYER.


WHERE KWAME STOOD AND WAIT STILL FOR THE OPPONENTS TO MAKE HIS MOVE.

FINALLY KWAME FOUND A SPORTS THAT HE LOVES.

re: the boos

as a fan, it's foolish, but rather hard not to, take the whole summer personally. it's hard not to say, 'well, kobe disrespected me b/c he wants out' altho, that's not the reality and that's never, ever been the message.

but fanatics aren't rational and realistic. fanatics see kobe's request as a personal affront so i understand the booing simply b/c thats fans saying 'you dissed us, kobe' and after they made that point clear, it's time to move on b/c really, booing kobe is like booing the postman....

why would you jeer the dude who brings it everyday?


nice! i know, i know!

Bob, the people who think Kobe ran Shaq out don't think he did it for the good of the team, they think he did it for his own ego. You have heard that complaint, right?

Blkthght06 - just by calling up Mike T as an authority, you kind of lose credibility. Just letting you know. I mean, at some point today he'll start going on about Kwame's "championship qualities"... and yeah, if someone else is open on the break, they should get the ball, that's pretty basic.

PHIL JACKSON IS MANIPULATING THE LAKERS AGAIN.

HE PLAYS KWAME AND COOK TOGETHER SO KOBE GETS REALLY PISSED OFF.

So you are saying Kwame is better???? Because he sets better picks???
And that he is a good defensive player?

Yes! Just look at the games and watch Kwame's pics. Those are walls and frees up Kobe time and time again. Then watch Mihm's and Bynum's pics and watch the flow of the offense. It's plain to see. Those pics Kwame does, even off the ball, frees players to the basket and the offense flows better.

mike

Only if Kobe (or anyone else that is) just made 3 more friggin freethrows. *sigh* - An ominous beginning for the GAR/GHE crew.

IS THERE ANY COACH IN THE LEAGUE THAT WOULD PLAY KWAME AND COOK TOGETHER. WHERE IS SMUSH WHEN YOU NEEDED HIM?

smush, cook and kwame " the little three".

I hate to be the "It's only one game" guy, but for God's sake, it's only one game. I'm not a Luke Walton fanatic or anything, but he was set up on a double team expecting McGrady to handle the ball, and Battier had to end up taking a low-percentage shot; since Luke has no speed, there was no way he was going to get there to obscure Battier's attempt. Even though the team lost focus after the 1st quarter, it was a hell of an effort at the end to get back into it.

Unfortunately, some trends from last year are continuing, and we can definitely take away several things from the game:

* Kwame Brown can play decent defense but keep the frigging ball out of his hands. The guy makes me look like a decent shooter, which would be a first

* What is it with free throws? It's like the ghost of Smush Parker grabbed ahold of the entire team. Frigging A, I can hit 75% of my free throws and I suck at this game. In junior high, my friend was a finalist in a national free throw shooting contest, and he hit something like 34 in a row (and he was 11 years old). Magic hit 29 consecutive in a Game 7 of the Finals, so don't give me that BS line about how it's different with pressure, either.

* Brian Cook can do one thing only, and if he's not doing it, why the hell is he in the game at all?

* Luke is way too slow to be a starting SF in this league

As for #24, this stupid team needs to do one of two things right now. Trade him or announce that he won't be traded until after the season - period. Kobe could also end this crapola by saying he will veto all trades until after the season - period! If I have to see another HALFTIME interview like the piece of crap Craig Sager conducted last night, I will personally go and light all of his suits on fire. I just want to watch basketball and forget about the BS soap opera that Dr. Buss and Kobe have allowed to escalate.

KWAME CAN'T PLAY DEFENSE.

BUT CAN PLAY OFFENSE, GREAT PASS TO LUKE KWAME.

i was so upset they played cook last night, oh i wonder why??? C'MON ALREADY!!! PLEASE STOP THIS SHIZZ! but then i was happy atleast they didn't play sasha. why are these two punks still on the team for the last 4 years?
I cant stand when people say "why didn't he play sasha", he might of changed the game yadda yadda, he might of played good blah blah. People please sasha is never gonna be a great player so what are we waiting for him to magically become an athletic all-star? ARE YOU GUYS STILL WAITING FOR HIM TO "BREAKOUT" HAHAHAH, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH..let him go, never play cook again, play ronny more, and give evans more minutes. Mo is good he needs more minutes, basketball is an athletic sport he will prevail if given more opportunity. I KNOW THESE ARE LAKERS AND THEY ARE FAMILIAR FACES BECAUSE WE KEPT THEM AROUND FOR SO LONG NOW, BUT THEY ARE GARBAGE AND THATS NOT KOBES FAULT, REALLY PLEASE GET THE GUY SOME HELP.. REAL NBA PLAYERS

Now, that's a statement I can agree with. That phrase, "hater" has got to go, it's so weak...

Speaking of words we dont like, I dont like the word "Chad."

Came too close to being named Chad.

Wes

Kobe dominated the ball on the offensive side way too much... PERIOD.

He forced up too many shots, and was not hitting his jumper's too often.

It was not pretty. :(

Kobe stinks up the shooting percentage column but is once again our only threat on the court. He cannot be happy with his performance last night. Ironic...Luke gets a nice contract and shows us all why he should be a part time bench player, especially with the game on the line, he sucks defensively. Sorry Phil, that was your mistake. Weak D will not help at the end of any game.

Thanks Mitch, Dr. Buss, Jim Buss, Great work this off-season. Keep insulting our intelligence and continuing to berate the only asset that has made this
franchise worth watching for the past 3 years. Thats is what the season is looking like, a battle of ego's and no help for Kobe along with no one wanting his contract along with the loss of their whole team. Lamar better show up and Kwame and Mihm better play like they have been told they are about to be licked out of the league.

Bynum what is it that makes me believe he just cannot perform at a high level for any length of time...when will he blossom? 4 points 4 boards 20 min's, this is our future? Was there a bright spot here? Frustration sets in on opening day! Ouch....long season and it hurts already.

Michael A,

"Now, that's a statement I can agree with. That phrase, "hater" has got to go, it's so weak..."

I don't know which flatters me more. That you agree or that you're listening to the show. Either way, thanks.

AK

GREAT ASSISTS KWAME. HOW THE HELL DID YOU DO THAT? WHY DID YOU NOT JUST CATCH THE DAMN BALL? OH I FORGOT YO PREFER A CHESS GAME.

Yes! Just look at the games and watch Kwame's pics. Those are walls and frees up Kobe time and time again. Then watch Mihm's and Bynum's pics (sic) and watch the flow of the offense. It's plain to see. Those pics (sic) Kwame does, even off the ball, frees players to the basket and the offense flows better.

So when Kwame missed 41 games last year, being the warrior he is I might add, his picks were the reason Kobe put up astronomical numbers...Thanks for the clarity!!! Now it makes sense...

I don't mean to attack you, but your love of Kwame is blind my friend...
Also, in 2008, he will make 9 million dollars to set picks...GET REAL!!

Mamba nice poem
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Booing the "BEST PLAYER ON THE PLANET"!!

I would like to voice my opinion on the so called fans who booed last night. I hear from Magic things like "the fans supported him when he was going through CO problems, supporting him during the Shaq situation, the FO supporting him during CO etc.. etc...

All these people (fans) showed support only for one reason - BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST BALLER!!!.. I won't see any of these so called fans showing the same support for Kwame Brown if he had gone thru these situations. The FO would NEVER show this kind of support for anyone else on the team because KOBE FILLS THE SEATS ans make the Buss's MORE MONEY!!

I am a Kobe Fan, but not more than I am a Laker Fan, but I would not have booed him after all the things he has done for me/laker organization and playing as hard as he has done for the last 12 years for my beloved LAKERS!!

Random Thoughts:

1. Socks being late to the game is a bad, bad, bad harbinger for the season.
At least the team played reasonably good defense.

2. As to Kobe being booed, well, to paraphrase Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," you WANT Kobe on that Floor. You NEED Kobe on that Floor. He gives you the best chance to win every night, given the tools the Lakers have at their disposal (or lack thereof). He needs to take those shots, and go to the line. There are no other viable options offensively.

3. Some of these "enlightened bloggers" around here make good points (just ask them), but come on. Who REALLY thought this team could contend in the aftermath of the Shaq Trade, losing Malone and D-Fish, and watching Phil Jax walk away, with the only things coming in return being a couple of really bad contracts and decent-but-not-great players? So I fail to see the point of ranting about the past. Again, to paraphrase Beck, we owe nothing to the past but wasted time.

4. Sure, Kobe should have sat down somewhere and not gone public. But if it is true that management lied to him, I see why he'd be mad. He should have seen this coming, but if management was promising him they'd bring some "names" to the table, then they should have. Not all of these speculated trades were doable, but still. I can't believe I'm saying this, after years of unadulterated dislike for the guy, but it's not all Kobe's fault.

5. Kobe's already gone, mentally at least. Enjoy him while he's in a Lakers uniform. And let the rebuilding and/or the Le Bron/D-Wade Sweepstakes begin . . . or, at least, one can dream.

Bob: A fast break is a fast break no matter WHAT YOUR POSITION IS. That's basic! You got a 2 on 1 fast break, dish it to the open man, don't draw the friggin foul!

Let me go back and stand in my corner. After all, I'm a fake @$$ Laker fan who don't know nothing about the game of basketball. Consider me dismissed...

MICHAEL JORDAN NEVER WON ANYTHING WITHOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN EITHER!

BRING JO FOR KWAME AND BYNUM. I LIKE BYNUM, BUT IF THAT IS WAHT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO LOOSE KWAME BROWN THEN GO FOR IT. JO IS JUST A PLUS LOOSING KWAME IS THE MAIN TRADE.

Don't be deceived by the media agenda to support and defend the front office (namely Jim Buss) at all cost. The LA Times stooges are trying their best to place all the blame for this mess on Kobe (just like the Shaq trade), while completely ignoring the ineptitude and dysfunction of the front office. Every boneheaded move this front office has made, the media has blamed either Kobe or the puppet Kupcake, but never blaming the real problem-JIM. When Kobe went on his tirade this past summer, it was in response to the INSIDER-JIM. Kobe was demanding Jim's removal. When Kobe requested for Jerry West back with FULL AUTHORITY, he was asking for Jim to be replaced. When Dr. Buss lied to Kobe about keeping their talks private, and came out publicly to discuss his PRIVATE conversation with Kobe, he did so to defend JIM. This is all about the idiot Jim. Jerry and is on a campaign to discredit Kobe, but the ultimate goal is to protect Jim's reputation. The only way to do so is to make Kobe the bad guy, and make you blind sheep forget that the problem with this front office is all about JIM. Dr. Buss is pissed at Kobe, NOT for calling him an idiot, but for trying to get JIM removed. This is ALL ABOUT JIM. Kobe realizes he can never win a ring with Jim in charge of his basketball future. The players around the league know this now, ask KG. Guys like Lebron and Wade will never sign here with Jim as the head of basketball decisions. They know better.

When you guys diss Kobe and forget about all of Kobe's contributions throughout the years, and buy into the BS that he is betraying the fans, just know this, you are supporting and choosing JIM, as Dr. Buss and the LA Times hoped.

Conclusion: KILL JIM. j/k...not really.

Peace

Yeah, Kwame missed 41 games and we lost how many of those games? Too much to even count.

I mean, as one guy said earlier. You have no basketball knowledge. It's plain to see Bynum has very little basketball experience. He doesn't have natural strength, either. Combine these two things and it shows in the little things that make the game execute.

Execute? Pics? Defense? Those are concepts you don't use in evaluating basketball games. Because if you did you would want Kwame out there for as long as possible compared to Bynum and Mihm. Especially in this triangle offense when pics are important.

mike

 
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