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Lamar Odom's media day Q&A

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Some talk from LO during media day.  He's still on the mend from his off-season shoulder injury and seems likely to miss most (if not all) of the preseason.  But Laker fans will gladly accept him skipping games that don't count if it means an accelerated return for the games that do.  Hopefully, the wait won't be too long.  In the meantime, Odom remains an introspective and often candid interview.  This year, however, the head churning out his thoughts will be decorated with some festive (and ambitious) designs.  Here's what he had to say. 

Q: How is your recovery coming along?

Lamar Odom:  Everything is cool.  It takes some time.  That's exactly what I have to do is take some time.  Hopefully, I'll be back on the court (soon). 

Q: How do you think Derek Fisher is going to help the team?

LO: D. Fish is a quarterback.  You need one of those, especially one that knows the offense.  He's comfortable with the offense, so there's no learning process for him.  He definitely has heart.  He doesn't mind taking the big shot.  He's defensive-minded.  I'm just looking forward to being out there and playing some backcourt minutes with him. 

Q: Besides just giving 100%, what's your biggest goal for the season?

LO: I'd like to be an All-Star.  I'm definitely gonna work toward it.  To advance in the playoffs.  It's important for all of us if we want to keep this team together.

Q: Staying healthy would help all of that.  You were getting close to making the All-Star team, in some people's minds, before you got hurt.

LO: That's part of it.  That kind of happens.  That's the life of a sportsman, you know what I'm saying.  You can be in shape.  Look at Kwame.  He's got one of, probably the best, body in the NBA.  It's not like he was out of shape.  Sometimes it just happens.  Luke works really hard and he was hit by the injury bug.  So was myself.  It happens.  We just have to get over it, move forward, focus on this year and hope I can have the best year of my life, as far as basketball is concerned. 

Q: Is there anything Kobe needs to say to his teammates, as far as mending any fences?

LO: No.  We're all professionals.  We're gonna go out and play basketball the best way we know how and try to win as many games as possible.  Personal emotions are exactly what they are: personal.  So I don't think so.

Q: Do you think this team has what it takes to get past the first round of the playoffs?

LO: I think so.  We were hurt and beat up last year and we still made it to the playoffs.  We were 23-10 before I got hurt.

AK: Given everything that happened to you off the court last season (in particular, the passing of Odom's infant son, Jayden), how much did you need this off-season just to recharge?

LO:  That's exactly what it was for me.  Off ... season.  Time off.  From everything.  I tried to spend time being a father, which to me is the most important thing in the world.  Before basketball.  I got time to do that.  Focus.  My kids, they all live in New York, so it's not easy for me to be away from them for six months.  Of course, I look forward to (basketball), but there's always a little void that's there that basketball can't really fill.  But I also have a job and I understand that. 

AK: So in a lot of ways, you truly need these off-seasons for yourself?

LO: Yeah. I have a 6-year-old son who asks about his brother every day.  I definitely don't mind taking the time away from basketball and the politics of the game, you would say.  Just being home with my family.

Q: How important is that for you to recharge those batteries?

LO: For me, it's very important.  I've been through a lot for a young man.  I'm only 27.  I've seen a lot.  Some would say I've been through it all.  But hopefully, the best is yet to come on and off the court.

Q: Other guys say you're the funniest guy on the team.  Why is that?

LO: Because I'm always Lamar.   I like to keep my guys loose.  Camaraderie is very important to me.  I'm an only child, so these dudes are my brothers.  With some of them, the guys who've been here since I've been here, you become family.  It's important to me to keep good energy in a locker room, because it's something that can be redundant.  You do the same thing over and over and over. 

Q: I heard you have nicknames for everybody.  What are they?

LO: I can't tell you, because that's locker room stuff.  No offense, but a lot of things that go on in a locker room is supposed to stay in a locker room.  I think that's probably why they trust me, as well.  You just made me feel good, because it's important for me for them to look at me like that.

Q: Can you explain the stars shaved in your head?

LO: I was real close to having an All-Star (season) last year, then I got bit by the injury bug.  So (the guy who cuts my hair) told me I was going to have an All-Star season this year, so he put a star on my head.  He put two of them. 

Q: Are you going to keep them?

LO: Yeah, this is going to be my look.

AK: Is it tough maintaining a star?  How do you go about keeping it looking good?

LO: My hair basically kind of grows.  It doesn't grow the way I want it to, but I get a haircut every two or three days.  I gotta keep my look up, you know what I'm saying?  I gotta stay sharp.  I don't think it'll be hard to maintain.  I'm bringing him to Hawaii just so I can try to maintain it.

BK: How hard would it be for me to do something like that?  (To those who don't know, BK is a member of the shaved-dome club.)

LO: It would be easy.  You could do it. 

BK: I think I'm going to have a good season writing. 

LO:  Yeah.  That's what I'm talking about.  I'll definitely hook you up.

Q: Where do you go for a haircut?

LO: He comes to me (laughs, jokingly puffs shoulders out like a big shot).

BK: I worry that the kind of guy I can afford to bring to my house wouldn't be able to pull off the star.

Q: Kobe just said that he's going to demand more from every player.  He's here to win.  Does that have the makings for maybe as fun a season as you could have?

LO: No.  That wouldn't be anything different.  That's part of his personality.  That's how he approaches the game as well. 

Q: He seemed very intense and emphatic about demanding more from every player. 

LO: We all know what happened this off-season.  I'm not surprised.  As a leader, the position he has on this team, he should.

Q: As a team, do you think there should be a sit-down when you're in Hawaii?

LO: No.  No.  No.  No.  No.  He didn't say you better trade this guy or you better trade that guy or you need to trade this guy.  He didn't say that at all.  He mentioned himself.  You can't be mad at that.  That was a personal emotion.  That's exactly what that is.  It's personal and it should stay that way.  We're still cool.

(To clarify, I don't know if Lamar was referring to things Kobe said to the legitimate media -- as opposed to a couple random jackasses in a parking lot -- forgot about "The Kobe Video" or was simply trying to breeze past it.  But obviously, there is evidence contradicting that statement.)

Q: Do you think he should sit down with Jerry Buss, Mitch Kupchak, maybe even Andrew Bynum?

LO: Oh, man.  That's way out of my hands.  You went way over my head.  Kobe Bryant means a lot to this franchise, so however he wants to handle that, I'm going with it.

Q: Do you think there are any hurt feelings among his teammates?

LO: I don't think so.

Q: You probably wouldn't tell us if there were, though.

LO: Probably not (laughs).

Q:  Every time there was a trade rumor, your name came up.

LO:  I can play.  And a lot of times, I take it as a compliment that other teams know what's up.  As well as the Lakers.  I don't have nothing to prove, because I do it every night.

 
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The Los Angeles Lakers have signed free agent forward Andre Patterson,

Lamar I take it back. Shawn I'm sorry
Lets ride this team right here,L amar, Kobe and Bynum to this title .
GO LAKERS GO

Andre "the Kobe Stopper" Patterson

bob,

So are you saying I should book a flight to LA so I'll be in town when the Lakers make it to the finals??

Repost,

"Mike T, but... the weird part is there shouldn't be any story and I was asking the same question yesterday after seeing Bynum's comments and before TJ Simmers story came out.

Why does Kobe flat out lie that he has talked with Bynum? It's just... weird! Kobe could have come clean and said he was going to talk to Bynum but instead he makes up something?"

Do you actually understand what you're saying? In other words Kobe Bryant should be thinking about Andrew Bynum? What has Bynum done in this league to merit Kobe, the best player in the league, having to justify himself over anything concerning Bynum?

When Bynum can defend the post then Kobe can explain his actions. But until Bynum can protect the rim he just an after thought. But according to you and T.J. Simers Kobe should get caught up in a Bryant/Bynum drama over a phone call, text message or whatever?

The Lakers have other issues to give a damn about a phone call or text message between the best player in the league and a player who T.J. Simer will be calling a stiff in his next article.

I mean have you read all of Phil Jackson's comments over the past few days?

Well, if you haven't, I'm going to write about it in the next Jackson Journal entry. It should be ready by tomorrow.

mike

I'll say it again, this is the year LO is an all star and I KNOW he will dominate SM down on the post in the playoffs. NUff said.

Lakers ultimate evaluation.

(Here is the most fair assesment of our team, (or Jim Buss' Dream team)


Tim Chisholm

How good is Andrew Bynum? How good is Andrew Bynum going to be? Is Andrew Bynum going to be a better player or a more of an impact player than Kobe Bryant?

Regardless of what any LA Laker fan or observer may feel are the answers to these questions, tacitly the Lakers themselves are answering 'good', 'great' and 'yes' to each and every one of them, respectively.

Here's the situation: Kobe Bryant is at an age where has only about six or seven years - by Phil Jackson's math - to be physically capable enough as a player to lead his team to a title. He wants to be able to make good on that ability. In order to do that the Lakers organization has to be willing to make the moves necessary to maximize that window and surround Bryant with the appropriate complimentary players. Does that mean that they need to go out and trade for All-Stars? Not necessarily, but they do need to do a better job of piecing together a team that makes sense around Bryant and under Jackson.

What this team has opted to do instead, however, is sit tight with nary a move made - save for bringing back Derek Fisher - and waste away as a team not competitive enough to win a Playoff round but not bad enough to nab some pieces in the Draft lottery. They are mired in mediocrity, willingly, and they are doing it with one of the greatest guards of all time and perhaps the single greatest head coach of all time in their employ.

And by all accounts they are doing it because they feel Andrew Bynum is such a special player they are willing to lose both Byrant and Jackson to have him on their roster.

Consider that at season's end Phil Jackson's contract with the Lakers expires and he has made it fairly clear that unless he sees improvement within this team he's not re-upping for another term.

Then consider that at the end of next season Bryant has an opt-out in his contract that he will surely exercise if this team isn't significantly improved by that time.

Unless the team makes a significant trade mid-season, they are not likely to be improved over last year and stand a very good chance of losing Jackson as their head coach.

That blow, plus a second summer of inactivity (which would have to include a trade since this team is capped-out financially) would most definitely spell the departure of Bryant in 2009.

And today the key to all of this is Andrew Bynum, a player who may not even be in the starting five for the Lakers in this, his third season as a pro.

This whole scenario revolves around him for two reasons. The first is that he is so coveted by team owner Dr. Jerry Buss' son, Jim, himself an assistant general manager, that he refuses to allow a trade of the centre. Despite the fact that Jackson has had little time for his lack of consistency or development, or the fact that Bynum has demonstrated nothing conclusive as to his worthiness of such a standing in the eyes of team management, he is nonetheless deemed unmovable by the upper brass. If the rumors are to believed, that insistence has cost this team the chance to add both Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal to their roster.

The second reason dovetails out of the first. Right now is the most sensible time to trade Bynum. He is an unknown commodity that can fetch a sum far higher than his current value because of the lure of his potential. If he is given more playing time by the Lakers and it turns out he is not the next great thing at the centre position, the Lakers would be lucky to wind up with pennies on the dollar for him. Sure, there is the very slim chance that he turns out to be greater than anything he has demonstrated he's capable of being so far, but that is a huge risk that the Lakers are running to find out.

Either way, he's still years away from that kind of development - if it is to ever come - judging by his first two years in the NBA, and by that time both Jackson and Bryant could be long gone. Most teams would kill for a chance to be able to build a team designed to win now around Bryant, yet the Lakers have made no effort to take advantage of the opportunity because they see some sort of paragon of basketball in the form of Bynum. Good luck to them on that. Hopefully some other team is able to take advantage of Bryant's and Jackson's abilities before they both walk away from the game for good.

PROBABLE STARTING LINE-UP

PG - Derek Fisher

Finally, another player who will not look completely frazzled by the Triangle Offense. While Bryant has consistently been chastised for not adopting coach Jackson's prized offense, one must understand that it is incredibly hard to run it if you have teammates who are incapable of understanding it and running it with you. At least Fisher will be able to stabilize the production for the other guard spot in the offense, leaving only two more positions to fill (assuming Jackson starts Luke Walton) to make a five-man attack of his system. At this pace this team should be ready to run a fully functional Triangle by the end of the 2010 season. In the meantime Fisher will also be asked to provide the kind of leadership role he played in Utah so successfully last season while also attempting to keep Bryant from going off against any more teammates. He is going to be the one player in the locker room who has his ear and there is no doubt his overblown salary is partly earmarked for that very purpose.

SG - Kobe Bryant

Are his criticisms of the team justified? Yes. Were his methods of disseminating them? Probably not. That said, though, it is hard to say what it is going to take for GM Mitch Kupchak to start doing what he is paid to do and build a competitive team in Los Angeles if the public blasting of his franchise player couldn't do it. This summer he was but to shame by Danny Ainge and the Boston GM's ability to make moves to surround his All-Star with talent enough to prove that they are looking squarely at the present and their ability to win a title. Whether or not it happens, at least he has been able to assess his situation correctly and chose a direction, definitively, for his franchise to go in. Bryant's methods of clearing the air may not sit right with everyone, but the message he had to deliver was right on the money. Fat lot of good it seemed to do him, though.

SF - Luke Walton

Every team needs its role players, there is no doubt about that. But the Lakers are capped-out with no ability to go out and offer quality free agents any incentive to sign in LA and yet the Lakers signed Luke Walton, a restricted free agent, to a 6-year, $30 million dollar deal on the first day of free agency. They made no effort to assess his market value. No effort to see if $5 million per year for six years is perhaps a touch excessive for a player who averages 65 games per year and is a third or fourth option at best. I like the kind of versatility that Walton brings to this team, and I really like the kind of I.Q. he brings to a roster that is seriously lacking in that department, but his salary prevents the Lakers from using any of that money elsewhere, and that could come back to haunt the team. I'm not saying they shouldn't have spent that kind of money on Walton, I'm just saying perhaps it would have been prudent to see if anyone else would have first.

PF - Lamar Odom

Odom seems to get very little respect for a player that brings averages of 16 and 10 and 5 into the season this year. Yes, his troubles staying healthy are worrying to say the least, but he nonetheless would be an excellent option for this team at either forward spot if they had an even marginally reliable centre. While Jackson in the past has won titles with power forwards like Hoarce Grant and Dennis Rodman, bruiser types that make a name for themselves on strength, hustle and more than a little I.Q., Odom is more of a finesse-type, more of a natural small forward who is being asked to ply his trade and apply those skills at the four-spot due to the current makeup of the roster. Sure, maybe being asked to fill the role once filled by Scottie Pippen in Chicago is an unfair expectation to put on him, especially since he's playing out of position, and maybe it would make more sense for him to play in town where the pressures of being Kobe Bryant's running-mate wasn't weighing down his game. Regardless, outside of his inability remain in the lineup, he is the most productive Laker not named Bryant and he is another name this team can expect to lose come '09 should this franchise not get it's act together in time.

C - Chris Mihm

This team so badly needs a stabilizing force in this spot that Mihm is an almost sure-thing to start here come November. Kwane Brown has been given every opportunity to prove his worthiness and inconsistencies and injuries have let him down (good thing Kupchak unloaded Caron Butler to land him). Andrew Bynum and his 8.7 points and 7 rebounds averaged as a starter last season hardly infuse excitement into the hearts of coach Jackson. While Mihm might not be the physical specimen that Brown is or pose much more of a statistical threat than Bynum, at least he brings effort and intelligence to the position. While he's a far cry from the final solution here for the team, he is the best they have to work with right now.

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story/?ID=219706&hubname=nba

we be alright as long no injuries occur.

******************Isiah Trial********************************

Deciding MSG had harassed Browne Sanders, the jury found the Garden owes $6 million for allowing a hostile work environment to exist and $2.6 million for retaliation; MSG chairman James Dolan owes $3 million.


This should count against their salary cap as well.

T-Woody

Xtro,
"we be alright as long no injuries occur."

DID YOU CROSS YOUR FINGERS WHEN YOU TYPED THAT? LOL!

Mike T.

Re: Kobe/Bynum, I don't believe you're that naive on the subjects of leadership and team dynamics. I think it's kobeluv blinders are rearing their ugly heads again.

Just repeat after me a hundred times:

PJ - Good, KB - Bad..
PJ - Good, KB - Bad..
PJ - Good, KB - Bad..

.
.
.

Yep, that's it! Keep going, you're doing great!!

Lakers ultimate evaluation.

(Here is the most fair assesment of our team, (or Jim Buss' Dream team)


Tim Chisholm

How good is Andrew Bynum? How good is Andrew Bynum going to be? Is Andrew Bynum going to be a better player or a more of an impact player than Kobe Bryant?

Regardless of what any LA Laker fan or observer may feel are the answers to these questions, tacitly the Lakers themselves are answering 'good', 'great' and 'yes' to each and every one of them, respectively.

Here's the situation: Kobe Bryant is at an age where has only about six or seven years - by Phil Jackson's math - to be physically capable enough as a player to lead his team to a title. He wants to be able to make good on that ability. In order to do that the Lakers organization has to be willing to make the moves necessary to maximize that window and surround Bryant with the appropriate complimentary players. Does that mean that they need to go out and trade for All-Stars? Not necessarily, but they do need to do a better job of piecing together a team that makes sense around Bryant and under Jackson.

What this team has opted to do instead, however, is sit tight with nary a move made - save for bringing back Derek Fisher - and waste away as a team not competitive enough to win a Playoff round but not bad enough to nab some pieces in the Draft lottery. They are mired in mediocrity, willingly, and they are doing it with one of the greatest guards of all time and perhaps the single greatest head coach of all time in their employ.

And by all accounts they are doing it because they feel Andrew Bynum is such a special player they are willing to lose both Byrant and Jackson to have him on their roster.

Consider that at season's end Phil Jackson's contract with the Lakers expires and he has made it fairly clear that unless he sees improvement within this team he's not re-upping for another term.

Then consider that at the end of next season Bryant has an opt-out in his contract that he will surely exercise if this team isn't significantly improved by that time.

Unless the team makes a significant trade mid-season, they are not likely to be improved over last year and stand a very good chance of losing Jackson as their head coach.

That blow, plus a second summer of inactivity (which would have to include a trade since this team is capped-out financially) would most definitely spell the departure of Bryant in 2009.

And today the key to all of this is Andrew Bynum, a player who may not even be in the starting five for the Lakers in this, his third season as a pro.

This whole scenario revolves around him for two reasons. The first is that he is so coveted by team owner Dr. Jerry Buss' son, Jim, himself an assistant general manager, that he refuses to allow a trade of the centre. Despite the fact that Jackson has had little time for his lack of consistency or development, or the fact that Bynum has demonstrated nothing conclusive as to his worthiness of such a standing in the eyes of team management, he is nonetheless deemed unmovable by the upper brass. If the rumors are to believed, that insistence has cost this team the chance to add both Jason Kidd and Jermaine O'Neal to their roster.

The second reason dovetails out of the first. Right now is the most sensible time to trade Bynum. He is an unknown commodity that can fetch a sum far higher than his current value because of the lure of his potential. If he is given more playing time by the Lakers and it turns out he is not the next great thing at the centre position, the Lakers would be lucky to wind up with pennies on the dollar for him. Sure, there is the very slim chance that he turns out to be greater than anything he has demonstrated he's capable of being so far, but that is a huge risk that the Lakers are running to find out.

Either way, he's still years away from that kind of development - if it is to ever come - judging by his first two years in the NBA, and by that time both Jackson and Bryant could be long gone. Most teams would kill for a chance to be able to build a team designed to win now around Bryant, yet the Lakers have made no effort to take advantage of the opportunity because they see some sort of paragon of basketball in the form of Bynum. Good luck to them on that. Hopefully some other team is able to take advantage of Bryant's and Jackson's abilities before they both walk away from the game for good.

PROBABLE STARTING LINE-UP

PG - Derek Fisher

Finally, another player who will not look completely frazzled by the Triangle Offense. While Bryant has consistently been chastised for not adopting coach Jackson's prized offense, one must understand that it is incredibly hard to run it if you have teammates who are incapable of understanding it and running it with you. At least Fisher will be able to stabilize the production for the other guard spot in the offense, leaving only two more positions to fill (assuming Jackson starts Luke Walton) to make a five-man attack of his system. At this pace this team should be ready to run a fully functional Triangle by the end of the 2010 season. In the meantime Fisher will also be asked to provide the kind of leadership role he played in Utah so successfully last season while also attempting to keep Bryant from going off against any more teammates. He is going to be the one player in the locker room who has his ear and there is no doubt his overblown salary is partly earmarked for that very purpose.

SG - Kobe Bryant

Are his criticisms of the team justified? Yes. Were his methods of disseminating them? Probably not. That said, though, it is hard to say what it is going to take for GM Mitch Kupchak to start doing what he is paid to do and build a competitive team in Los Angeles if the public blasting of his franchise player couldn't do it. This summer he was but to shame by Danny Ainge and the Boston GM's ability to make moves to surround his All-Star with talent enough to prove that they are looking squarely at the present and their ability to win a title. Whether or not it happens, at least he has been able to assess his situation correctly and chose a direction, definitively, for his franchise to go in. Bryant's methods of clearing the air may not sit right with everyone, but the message he had to deliver was right on the money. Fat lot of good it seemed to do him, though.

SF - Luke Walton

Every team needs its role players, there is no doubt about that. But the Lakers are capped-out with no ability to go out and offer quality free agents any incentive to sign in LA and yet the Lakers signed Luke Walton, a restricted free agent, to a 6-year, $30 million dollar deal on the first day of free agency. They made no effort to assess his market value. No effort to see if $5 million per year for six years is perhaps a touch excessive for a player who averages 65 games per year and is a third or fourth option at best. I like the kind of versatility that Walton brings to this team, and I really like the kind of I.Q. he brings to a roster that is seriously lacking in that department, but his salary prevents the Lakers from using any of that money elsewhere, and that could come back to haunt the team. I'm not saying they shouldn't have spent that kind of money on Walton, I'm just saying perhaps it would have been prudent to see if anyone else would have first.

PF - Lamar Odom

Odom seems to get very little respect for a player that brings averages of 16 and 10 and 5 into the season this year. Yes, his troubles staying healthy are worrying to say the least, but he nonetheless would be an excellent option for this team at either forward spot if they had an even marginally reliable centre. While Jackson in the past has won titles with power forwards like Hoarce Grant and Dennis Rodman, bruiser types that make a name for themselves on strength, hustle and more than a little I.Q., Odom is more of a finesse-type, more of a natural small forward who is being asked to ply his trade and apply those skills at the four-spot due to the current makeup of the roster. Sure, maybe being asked to fill the role once filled by Scottie Pippen in Chicago is an unfair expectation to put on him, especially since he's playing out of position, and maybe it would make more sense for him to play in town where the pressures of being Kobe Bryant's running-mate wasn't weighing down his game. Regardless, outside of his inability remain in the lineup, he is the most productive Laker not named Bryant and he is another name this team can expect to lose come '09 should this franchise not get it's act together in time.

C - Chris Mihm

This team so badly needs a stabilizing force in this spot that Mihm is an almost sure-thing to start here come November. Kwane Brown has been given every opportunity to prove his worthiness and inconsistencies and injuries have let him down (good thing Kupchak unloaded Caron Butler to land him). Andrew Bynum and his 8.7 points and 7 rebounds averaged as a starter last season hardly infuse excitement into the hearts of coach Jackson. While Mihm might not be the physical specimen that Brown is or pose much more of a statistical threat than Bynum, at least he brings effort and intelligence to the position. While he's a far cry from the final solution here for the team, he is the best they have to work with right now.

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story/?ID=219706&hubname=nba

Any team with Walton and Mihm as starter is going to get killed. Two defensive liabilities? NO WAY!

mike

It's a shame LO isn't ready to get back on the court yet. The impact of not having one of your key players available for training camp or the beginning of your season is huge. The team may play well in his absence but there is inevitably a speedbump in the season whenver a player like that (who is so integral and plays so many minutes) comes back.

There's a lot to read into this quote if you want: "I'd like to be an All-Star. I'm definitely gonna work toward it. To advance in the playoffs. It's important for all of us if we want to keep this team together." Not the all-star part but the second half. At least there's no smokescreen being thrown up. What he and the team have to achieve is clear.

This quote too: "I can't tell you, because that's locker room stuff. No offense, but a lot of things that go on in a locker room is supposed to stay in a locker room. I think that's probably why they trust me, as well."

One thing I wanted to mention about all the Kobe coverage from media day was his mantra of individuals having to step up their workouts - arriving early and leaving late. Perhaps he's going to take a more active role in managing his teammates and being clear about what his expectations are from them.


Aside from spending some "off" time with his family, Lamar was doing this...
http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/28/laker-lamar-odom-dribbles-on-his-chin/
:-)
Still love you Lamar. I'm all for the All-Star season.

Xodus

I don't want to be a jinx but its finals or bust LOL

Mike T

"Garnett wanted to come. JO wanted to come. Marion wants to come. Do you think that to play of PJ or with Kobe Bryant? They all said it was because of Kobe."

Garnett specifically stated that he considered coming here but decided against it because of "Kobe situation".

You wanna link with that?

"Garnett specifically stated that he considered coming here but decided against it because of "Kobe situation".

The "Kobe situation" was something Kobe informed Garnett about. Garnett called Kobe and came away with the "Kobe situation." If Kobe hadn't informed Garnett about the situation Garnett would have pushed for a Lakers trade. Garnett controlled that whole situation. He could have killed the Boston deal by refusing to sign an extension. He signed off on the Boston deal because of the "Kobe situation" for sure. But it was Kobe who informed Garnett on that situation.

mike

HAB,

Isn't it more likely that he wanted to play with both?

EastCoastJesse: "Aside from spending some "off" time with his family, Lamar was doing this...
http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/28/laker-lamar-odom-dribbles-on-his-chin/
:-)
Still love you Lamar. I'm all for the All-Star season."

That's nothing. LO is a regular at the Deja Vu (strip club) in North Hollywood. For as hard as it is having his girl and kid on the opposite coast, it's also convenient.

Mike T,

I wasn't trying to entrap you, but are you saying that KEVIN GARNETT is not a Laker TODAY because Kobe told him NOT to come?


EastCoastJessie,

Leave Lamar alone. The guy's gotta torn labrum, okay?

Who's Andre Patterson?

Hey Kobe T - I think the "kobe stopper" was ruben patterson, no?

Anyways, mamba24 add me to the 55 win bandwagon. thanks. :)

GO LAKESHOW

Xodus,

"Isn't it more likely that he wanted to play with both?"

Maybe. Well, Phil and Kobe are both here. Where is Kev?

lakers_sth
Really? Shoot and I thought all those NBA guys were upstanding, faithful husbands!

HAB
If his wife's on the opposite coast, his labrum's not the only thing that's torn.

I love Lamar!

Thanks for the article jorema, I enjoyed it the first time you posted it too!

This is the best time of the basketball year. Pregnant with hope and expectations. It is like a little blast of spring just as fall is settling in. No bad tastes from seven game losing streaks such as the one I anticipate in Feb (check out the cruel schedule in Feb). No season ending injuries. We haven't found out that the rookies suck or that we are destined for mediocrity.

I Love it!

Following along with my mental optimistic jaunt, the Lakers will be better this year than they are currently projected and here's why:

1. Bynum, Brown, Vlad, and Mihm will all play better this year than they did last year. Bynum because he has improved, Brown because he cares (contract year), Vlad because he is healthy, and Mihm because he will be playing at all. I haven't heard if Evans' knee is better, but if that is healed up, add him to the optimistic brew.

2. A Fish for Smush swap is huge. Global warming big. It is like going from renting a studio apartment that is overrun with roaches to owning a nice house in the suburbs. Sure, the suburban home is no mansion, but it is a far cry better than the dive. Without a doubt Smush was the weakest link. Replacing him makes the whole chain stronger.

3.Kobe is going to play consummate team ball, building the trust and confidence of teammates trust throughout each game and pulling them to greater heights when his talent is the only one in the building that can. Plus a lighter more defensive minded Kobe is likely to appear.

4. A motivated and healthier Phil will help maintain team chemistry.

GHF! GHF!

Mike T,

To say Kobe is a liar about talking to Andrew is just flat out wrong. They text messaged. That's talking, as far as today's vernacular goes. I have text conversations with friends and associates all the time.

I saw on TV this morning that one police department already has a successful text only tipline. Co-workers text each other in meetings all over America.

Today, texting IS talking. And here I thought you were a modern guy :)

"I wasn't trying to entrap you, but are you saying that KEVIN GARNETT is not a Laker TODAY because Kobe told him NOT to come?"

It was reported that Kevin and Kobe talked by telephone and Kevin came away with the "Kobe situation." If that's true then that tells you that Kobe's problem isn't with the players. It's with someone else. Here's a hint.

From the Riverside Press:

Broderick Turner

EL SEGUNDO - Phil Jackson walked gingerly and with a cane Monday, still on the mend following hip-replacement surgery in June.

His health remains an issue, but Jackson said that's not the main reason he hasn't signed the contract extension the Lakers have offered.

Jackson wants to be "productive" -- to improve upon a team that was 42-40 last season and has been bounced out of the playoffs in the first round in back-to-back seasons.

"I've got to see that I can physically and mentally get back on beat with this team, and they can get on beat with me," said Jackson, who's in the last year of his contract.

"We want a run for a championship. If we're not going to challenge, I don't want to be a guy that's coaching this team on the kind of salary I'm getting."

See that part that says: I've got to see that I can physically and mentally get back on beat with this team, and they can get on beat with me.?

They are not on the same page. After everything I wrote this summer do you actually think the players are in beat with PJ? After what he did last year and the year before. There is a big trust issue going on and Kevin Garnett is going to change that. JO isn't going to change that. Marion isn't going to change that.

This is about trust and from PJ's statement the players don't trust him. Well, Walton and Mihm do.

Haven't you been reading PJ for the past couple of months? He doesn't believe in this team. Now he talking about making a championship run with this team? No...I think the front office said to him: Hey, if you don't believe in this team...why are you going to stick around this year? So now Phil is talking about making a championship run this year. But before that he has to get "in beat with the team"? And even more "the team has to get in beat with him?"

Clearly there are trust issues with PJ and the players. And that was brought on by PJ for what he did the last two seasons.

Again, Garnett, JO, or Marion isn't going to change that.

mike

Sorry everyone -

Yeah I'm hyped up too but the grim reality is we'll be lucky to hit 45 victories with this bunch. Not anyone's fault but Kupcake and Buss Boy's. And the dumb fans who encourage them by continuing to shell out the big bucks to watch a mediocre team with one superstar. Until they threaten to stop paying hundreds for a seat unless the front office makes the trade Kobe and Phil want, the mediocrity will continue.

My heart is all for us winning with this team, but my mind knows all we're gonna get is another first round playoff exit. And management doesn't care cause the'll still turn a hefty profit. Word.

Lamar's selling a s***load of wolf tickets with the "stars" haircut and all. Dude better wake up and smell the turpentine. 16-10-5 ain't hardly All Star caliber - especially in the WILD WILD WEST! If he raises his scoring to 20, I might start believing him.

BTW...Mamba, I don't recall being asked to be put on the "Matrix for LO Bandwagon" (or whatever it's called). Take me off, por favor.

By all means, leave me on those other 2. As long as Jim Buss has an inch of power to make decisions for the Los Angeles Lakers Basketball Club, we're ***ked. Period.

starters:

PG - Derek Fisher
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Lamar Odom
PF - Kwame Brown/ Ronny Turiaf
C - Chris Mihm

I always want LO to be the starting SF.
Go Lakers!!!

Does anyone else think LO, not Kobe, is the leader of this team?

Look at this comment

Q: Other guys say you're the funniest guy on the team. Why is that?

LO: Because I'm always Lamar. I like to keep my guys loose. Camaraderie is very important to me. I'm an only child, so these dudes are my brothers. With some of them, the guys who've been here since I've been here, you become family. It's important to me to keep good energy in a locker room, "


You wont be hearing that about Kobe- the players like and respect Odom NOT Kobe as the team leader.

AK/BK
You want to tell me that you did an interview like that about LO left shoulder and DID NOT ASK HIM IF HE WORK ON USING IS RIGHT HAND?????????

And please stop duplicating question in your interviews, they would be a lot batter and YES I DO ENJOY YOUR WORK

AK/BK, we could not catch up with you men. You used to introduce thread as slow as a turtle now you're beating the roadrunner, can't catch with your new threads.

Lamar all the way, no more Marion, Bynum all the way, no more Kidd and Phil jackson all the way, no more Mike T. theory. Let's give these Lakers the benefit of the doubt and be silent with this front office. With silence we don't approve nor disapprove, just roll the carpet and go with the show.

With Turner, Patterson, who else can we pick up on the streets and show up as Lakers, can we go all the way with those names? Let's see. I would have suggeted Marc Gasol and Sun Yue but other are more knowledgeable that we picked as 2nd draft picks but we left them with their home countries. Why? It beats me, I'm not knowlegeable on complicated scenarios. I also ask myself why didn't we trade 2nd draft picks to a good player of today who can help us immediately in PF or SF? Another way, why didn't we trade these two 2nd rd draft picks to a future 1st round draft pick. Why? why? why? In life you get into more problems when you don't put clarity on decisions. If you leave other questions unanswered, it could haunt you again in the future. Simplicity is the best way of communication, it provides ease for ordinary mortals like me to grasp and appreciate the working of a complicated mind.

C.S.,

"Pregnant with hope and expectations" - Jorema

That's heavy, I wonder how a child would look like when there is hope and expectations at the time of conception? lol!

Mike T- This is about trust and from PJ's statement the players don't trust him. Well, Walton and Mihm do.


The players nowadays dont buty into his zen act , and throw away the books he gives them. The league, as we said all last season, has passed him and he needs to move on.

I don't get it? Why is an underachieving, injury prone, 0 time all star beloved when Kobe is Satan?

Utzworld,

Being the banner holder, I suggest we add stripes on those stars at the head of Lamar. We don't need Old Glory during the singing of national anthem, just focused the spot light on Lamar's stars and stripes.

Mike T, don't you think Kobe put Phil in that position through his radio tirade this summer? If you are the coach of the Lakers and your franchise player goes off on the radio saying everybody sucks, what do you do? He backed Kobe first to maintain the relationship, then when training camp rolled around he implied he has high expectations from the team, so the players at least "believe" he believes in them.

Also, I'm not budging one inch from what I said on the other thread. What other team has to deal with a star player with an attitude like this? He burns Bynum in public which is part of an unwritten code among players to begin with, then says he talked to Bynum and cleared it up and meanwhile Bynum is saying, I haven't heard anything but I hope we're cool.

Your point is absolutely ridiculous. Just because Kobe is a star player doesn't mean he has the right to treat younger, less accomplished players like crap - because he can! LOL! I'm sure Tim Duncan does the same thing to all of the younger players on his team. When Tony Parker was emerging, I'm sure Tim came over and put his foot down on top of him and tried to get him traded before he could develop any further! Why? BECAUSE HE WAS THE STAR PLAYER AND HE COULD! LOL!


Rick,

Simers wrote that Kobe told him that he (Kobe) texted to Bynum and Bynum texted Kobe back. Bynum denies both receiving and sending text to Kobe. No communication of any type. Read Simers column.

the matrix- one word= selfish

TaosHum- well said brother

Your point is absolutely ridiculous. Just because Kobe is a star player doesn't mean he has the right to treat younger, less accomplished players like crap - because he can!

Thats the Kobe lover argument for his selfish, childish behavior. Thats not the behavior of a leader in any way shape or form. Im sure Lebron is ripping his teammates because he can and he "wants to win". Who doesnt want to win?

HAB, from ESPN by JA Adande, NOT TJ Simmers, but I guess everybody will attack him too:

http://tinyurl.com/yrn3fs

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There was at least one indication they weren't on the same page. After Bynum said he hadn't spoken to Bryant since that parking-lot video surfaced in which Bynum lamented the Lakers holding onto Bynum and passing on a possible trade for Jason Kidd, Bryant said they had exchanged text messages while Bryant was in Rome.

"I just let him know, 'Sorry how that came out,'" Bryant said. "He understood where I was coming from and the frustration that I feel because I want to win right now and that was that."

After Bryant spoke Bynum was asked again if he had communicated with Bryant. He said no.

Still, Bynum claimed there were no hard feelings, and he practically echoed Bryant's words.

"I thought it was kind of messed up, but he was a frustrated veteran," Bynum said. "He wants to win, and he had an opportunity to get a Hall of Fame point guard. I would have been upset too. The only thing it made me do was work harder this offseason."

Mike T,

>>>The "Kobe situation" was something Kobe informed Garnett about.
>>>Garnett called Kobe and came away with the "Kobe situation." If Kobe
>>>hadn't informed Garnett about the situation Garnett would have pushed
>>>for a Lakers trade. Garnett controlled that whole situation. He could have
>>>killed the Boston deal by refusing to sign an extension. He signed off on
>>>the Boston deal because of the "Kobe situation" for sure. But it was Kobe
>>>who informed Garnett on that situation.

That's a lie. The truth of the matter is that Mike T pretended to be Kobe
on the phone and called KG and told him not to come to L.A.

My statement has exactly as much factual support as Mike T's.

MIKE T,
"Any team with Walton and Mihm as starter is going to get killed. Two defensive liabilities? NO WAY!"

SO I ASSUME YOU'RE SAYING THE LAKERS WILL BE FIGHTING FOR AN 8TH SEED THIS YEAR.


BTW, I HAVE TO SAY TO THE BLOGGERS, READ WHAT LAMAR ODOM TALK ABOUT. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LEADER AND A SO-CALLED LEADER (KOBIATCH).

THE DUDE KNOWS THAT IF KOBIATCH WOULD JUST RUN THE TRIANGLE LIKE IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE RAN, HE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME AN ALLSTAR. I HOPE YOU ARE LISTENING KOBIATCH! YOU AINT NO MJ!

AND YOU AINT NO PIPPEN EITHER! WATCH TAPES FROM THE EARLY PART OF LAST SEASON WHEN LAMAR WAS LEADING AND YOU WERE ON THE BENCH. THAT'S HOW PIPPEN RAN THE SHOW WITHOUT JORDAN.

Mike T,

So are you saying that Kobe told Garnett not to come because Phil sucks?

On his May radio tour Kobe was praising Phil, talked how close they've become and how he consults Phil on "everything".

I do believe that Kobe told Kevin in that call that FO sucks and for Kevin not to bother with the Lakers because Kobe is outta there soon anyways. Perhaps not in so many words.

THANKS, KOBE!

Instead of settling for mediocrity with his profession, Kobe demanded more out of his bosses who benefit from his presence and success. Some might call it "selfishness"...I prefer passionate. I see your point, kind of? I love how polarizing of a figure Kobe is, fascinating stuff.

What will ALL the haters do if the Lakers win 50 plus this year...
You all sound like a bunch of spoiled little brats...14 NBA championships and countless playoff appearances...Many teams would love to have just one championship or playoff visit...
If you don't like Phil or Kobe go root for another team!!!

Mike T and Laker Lover -
If the game has passed Phil by, who would you like to coach the Lakers??
What credentials do you have in making these statements about him? Have you ever even played or coached basketball???
I am sure he knows a helluva lot more about mangaing people and basketball than the 2 of you combined (i.e. Mike T thinks Kwame makes this team better)...Just because the Lakers have not made it to the Finals since 04 you critique Phil and say he does know what he is doing...Look at the team he has had...
I can guarantee when his contract is up over 20 other teams will love to have his services...But when he is gone who would you write your journals about???

TaosHum,

That's an obvious Bynum-LATimes-ESPN triangular anti-Kobe conspiracy. They're the Axis of Evil, I tell ya.

This is the way I look at the upcoming season:

Center: I expect Bynum to improve from last year. How much exactly is tough to say. Having Mihm back should also be an improvement. Kwame will probably still be Kwame.

Power Forward: If Odom makes it through the year, that alone will be an improvement over last year.

Small Forward: If Walton makes it through the year, that alone will be an improvement over last year. If Vlad Rad gives us anything at all, it will be a significant improvement over last year.

Shooting Guard: If Kobe keeps his head together and doesn't let his frustration lead to passive-aggressive behaviors, it'll be another stellar season for Kobe. Mo Evans I expect to play about the same as last year.

Point Guard: Replacing Smush with D-Fish is an improvment. Farmar having another year, plus likely being pushed by J-Critt should improve the backup PG position.

Benchies: Sasha? Eh, probably about the same. Cookie? Who knows?

So.........it looks to me like barring significant injuries (a la last year), we should be improved at just about every position. This leads me to think we'll end up being a 5th seed, or somewhere around there, which may facilitate us moving into the second round of the playoffs. I don't expect much beyond that.

It's progress, albeit not as much as I would like to see. Should Bynum and Vlad Rad show significant improvement over last year and Odom and Walton stay healthy, we may even do better than I think. But should Bynum not progress, Vlad Rad continue orbiting somewhere around Venus, and we miss serious minutes due to injury, we're looking at a repeat of last year (at best).

Oh, and BTW Michael T., did you really say this.....

"Do you actually understand what you're saying? In other words Kobe Bryant should be thinking about Andrew Bynum? What has Bynum done in this league to merit Kobe, the best player in the league, having to justify himself over anything concerning Bynum?"

Cripes man, do you understand what the word "teammate" means? Essentially, you're saying "Kobe has no reason to concern himself with any of his teammates."

That's just bizarre.

Mike T,

>>>>It was reported that Kevin and Kobe talked by telephone and Kevin
>>>>came away with the "Kobe situation."

That was reported by KL and by Gunner, but never by any real news
agency.

Garnett said something about the Lakers situation in the interviews where
he signed with the Celtics, but he never said that he had spoken to Kobe.

ESPN reported that KG tried to call Kobe, but that Kobe had recently
changed his phone number and KG wasn't able to get in touch with
him.

So who's lying? ESPN? Kevin Garnett? Or KL and Gunner? You know
who my money is on.

If you can provide me to a link that corroborates your story that Kobe talked
KG out of coming to the Lakers, then I'll eat my words and apologize to you.
But I think the only place where "it was reported" as you put it was in
posts by haters here.

coxman-

These aren't one on one interviews, but big media confabs, so we don't really control the flow of questions. Repetition is very common as different writers enter and exit the scrum.

Rick-

It's not a question of whether or not texting is talking but whether the texting actually happened. Bynum, as I understand, was asked more than once not just about talking but texting as well, and said it didn't happen. One of the two is mistaken, and if it's Kobe, why make it up? Why not just say, "No, we haven't spoken, but it's something we'll work out when I see him in training camp."

It's not a huge deal, but it is a little strange, to say the least.

BK

ATTENTION BLOGGERS:

I am starting the Kwame Chronicles for the new season...
I will be pointing out how many dropped passes, blown defensive coverages, missed dunks/layups, missed free throws, and stupid fouls he commits per game...
Look forward to this because they should rival the Jackson Journals in length!!!

MJCMAN32,

"I am starting the Kwame Chronicles for the new season...
I will be pointing out how many dropped passes, blown defensive coverages, missed dunks/layups, missed free throws, and stupid fouls he commits per game...Look forward to this because they should rival the Jackson Journals in length!!!"

If you are actually serious about doing this, I would suggest calling them the "Kwame Kronicles." Just a writerly note. haha

By the way, I hope this doesn't create a "Jets/Sharks" atmosphere between your readers and Mike's. haha

AK

TaosHum,

>>>Also, I'm not budging one inch from what I said on the other thread. What
>>>other team has to deal with a star player with an attitude like this? He
>>>burns Bynum in public which is part of an unwritten code among players
>>>to begin with, then says he talked to Bynum and cleared it up and
>>>meanwhile Bynum is saying, I haven't heard anything but I hope we're
>>>cool.

Well, I will say this. There are enough soap opera obsessed people like you
that I'm sure there will be a clarification on the whole thing. Now that TJ
has deemed it important enough to write a whole column about it, I'm
sure Kobe and Bynum will get asked about it another 50 times in the
next week.

Somehow I doubt Kobe will come out and say, "Okay I lied, I was just trying
to get you guys off my back.". I bet you'll see Bynum say something like
"Ohhhh. You mean way back in JUNE? Yeah, he text messaged me
back then. I thought you meant recently."

But because the media cares more about bread and circus than basketball,
I feel very confident that the mystery of the phantom text message will
be cleared up repeatedly, while questions relating to the actual team
composition and strategy will get glossed over, because TJ knows that
none of us really care about that stuff.

Edwin-

You drastically overestimate the trade value of second round picks. Most second rounders don't even make teams, so the idea that a team would give up a first rounder for two second rounders isn't really a realistic one. You might get a Phoenix type deal where they're selling off their picks, but that's about it. Those guys were drafted specifically because they wouldn't be wasted if they could be kept overseas. If there's no room on a roster for a second rounder, why bring in someone that you're almost certain to cut?

BK

MJCMAN32,

WHILE YOU AT IT. WHY DON'T YOU DO THE "BALL HOG" CHRONICLES OF A MALCONTENT.

LET US KNOW HOW MANY SHOT ATTEMPTS FOR THE SEASON.
HOW MANY TURNOVERS
HOW MANY PLAYERS STANDING AROUND OPEN WHILE KOBIATCH IS DRIBBLING.

HOW MANY PUMPS TO THE CHEST.
AND SHOOTING PERCENTAGE IN LOSSES.

I'M SURE THAT WILL RIVAL MIKE T'S JOURNALS!

MJCMAN32,

I'm eagerly awaiting the Kwame Kronicles.

HAB, LOL!

MJCMAN32, classic! I can't wait! But... you better be ready to keep late hours because that's when Kwame really shines... arrests, hotel related accusations during the playoffs, strange cake throwing incidents...
#########

On December 26, 2005, he played his first game at the Washington Wizards' MCI Center (now known as Verizon Center) as a Laker. The sold-out crowd of 20,173 fans loudly booed him upon entering the game and whenever he touched the ball. In the 2nd quarter, Brown was looking the other way when teammate Sasha Vujačić threw a pass his way. The ball bounced off his head and landed out of bounds, which was met with loud cheers from the crowd.[3] Brown called the reception "weak" and used the logic that "they should be cheering that I'm gone."[3] The Wizards won the game 94-91.

With Butler becoming an All-Star in Washington and Kwame Brown still failing to blossom in Los Angeles, the Butler-for-Brown trade is often seen as lopsided. Washington Post reporter Ivan Carter claimed that he overheard an L.A. reporter ask Phil Jackson if the Butler-for-Brown "trade was one that worked out for both teams?" He described the look on Jackson's face as "priceless."

Long Time Laker Fan,

You've got to be kidding me. I don't even read those guys. I read it on ESPN or something like that. I can't remember exactly where but it wasn't from one of the bloggers.

MJCMAN32,

Why do I need creditenals for quoting from newspapers? Those are Phil's words.

TaosHum

"Mike T, don't you think Kobe put Phil in that position through his radio tirade this summer?"

No, I think Phil put himself in that position by trying to make a power play when he should have been coaching. He's still bellyaching about: woe is me, woe is me. Look at the roster. Who told him to play Luke Walton for 30 minutes a game. Who told him to play Smush Parker for 30 minutes a game and then pull him in the 81st game.

Management didn't give him what he wanted and he's been bellyaching about it for the last 2 months. He lost his attempt to make himself the GM of this team. That's why Kobe is referring to management these days and Phil is bellyaching about the roster.

It's not hard to figure out. I mean read the Press Enterprise that I just posted. The guy, PJ, basically said he wasn't in beat with the team. Well, heck I knew that from 2 seasons ago. Why do you think I wrote the Jackson Journals? For a guy having to "get in beat with the team" says that his interest are elsewhere before.

Everyone is inspecting what Kobe is or is not saying. What about what this guy, PJ, is saying. Having to get in beat with the team? That says a lot.

mike

AK,

How about the "Kwame Kwonicles"?

"S-s-h-h!! Be ve-w-w-w-y qwiet!!"

"Oh, and BTW Michael T., did you really say this.....

"Do you actually understand what you're saying? In other words Kobe Bryant should be thinking about Andrew Bynum? What has Bynum done in this league to merit Kobe, the best player in the league, having to justify himself over anything concerning Bynum?"

Cripes man, do you understand what the word "teammate" means? Essentially, you're saying "Kobe has no reason to concern himself with any of his teammates."


Your assumption is that Bynum is going to be the starting center. I'm here to tell you he's not!

mike

Michael T.,

So Kobe only has to acknowledge starters? Those coming off the bench are beneath him and not deserving of anything from him?

Again, do you have any concept of what a "team" is?

I don't know how many of you guys have ESPN Insider but I thought I'd post part of John Hollinger's preview of the Lakers. I'm sure haters like KL and Gunner will love this:

In the meantime, L.A.'s second half of the season wasn't nearly as much fun as the first part. Though Bryant was feeling better and scoring in bunches, Odom missed 26 games with a shoulder problem that required offseason surgery and Walton missed another 22 with an ankle sprain. Smush Parker started having issues with Jackson, not to mention opposing point guards, and lost his starting job during the final week of the season. In the end, the Lakers barely stayed over .500 and were beaten easily by Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs.

For the season, L.A. ranked seventh in offensive efficiency thanks to Bryant, and would have been even better if they'd put a couple more shooters around him. The Lakers were fifth in 3-point frequency, taking 25.9 percent of their attempts from long range, but only 17th in accuracy at 35.3 percent. In other words, Kobe created open looks that the other guys couldn't knock down. None of the other starters were pure shooters, and both Radmanovic and Cook played sparingly, so on many nights there was nobody who could help space the floor.

EXCLUSIVE TRANSCRIPT OF THE LOST TEXT MESSAGE BETWEEN KOBE AND BYNUM

KOBE: Yo
BYNUM: Yao

KOBE: Yo!
BYNUM: Yao!

KOBE: Can I write a check?
BYNUM: What?

KOBE: Can I write a check?
BYNUM: Check for what

KOBE: Check yo self before you wreck your self you slow piece of shizzle, this is my team and you're "F-ing" it up for me. Get the "F" out of LA and give me Jason Kidd, you stupid 17-year-old whippersnapper.

BYNUM: :-( Where's mommy!

Ex,

"Kwonicles" is funny, but it assumes a Fudd-esque speech impediment for Kwame, which I don't think is really fair. He's actually very well spoken, so it would do him a diservice to place him in a position of being immediately underestimated. haha

AK

Long Time Laker Fan, you just don't get it. This whole thing is a non-issue. That has always been my point. Bynum appears to have moved on. All Kobe had to say was he hadn't talked to Bynum yet and that he intended to on the flight to Hawaii and everybody would have dropped it. Instead, Kobe says it's taken care of?

It's just part of the pattern we've seen over the last few years. Kobe has all the power with the Lakers. Nobody can say anything to him and if Kobe does something that 99% of the world knows is wrong, like bashing Bynum in front of that strip mall, it's just explained away as "Kobe being Kobe because Kobe wants to WIN! and apparently nobody else does."

It has to be absolutely wacky to play with this guy. Sure, he's a great player but... how can there be any real trust when you know you're one step away from having the rug pulled out from under you? The only thing Kobe respects is power, so I do hope Bynum emerges this year and then we can have Kobe vs. Shaq II for a couple of years after that. LOL! Only this time, the Lakers would have to back the new horse, Bynum if Kobe pulls another "him or me", and I think Kobe already realizes this.

Go ahead and ignore everything I've just posted and nitpick the little, "you said this..." points you do so enjoy doing...

By the way, to TaosHum and HAB,

I do agree that it's kinda strange for Kobe to just make up that he text
message Bynum and apologized if he didn't, but my whole point is,
what does it matter?

Not because Bynum doesn't matter, he does. I disagree with Mike T's
statement that Kobe needn't worry his all-star head over little baby Bynum.

My point is: who cares if Kobe apologized to Bynum or not? I think I could
come up with a list of 100 questions that I feel are more pertinent to the
Lakers upcoming season than that.

If you're that obsessed with personal minutia, then why aren't you
obsessing about whether Lamar is cheating on his wife, since he was
clearly window shopping in that video. And why aren't you obsessing
over whether Kwame is an alcoholic, since he was arrested for
disorderly conduct Saturday night? If Lamar has marital problems or
Kwame has a drinking problem this season, those things would have
at least as much impact on the team and this season as bynum-gate.

Do you want Kobe to go up to Socks in a televised interview and
apologize to him and give him a big hug? Is that what would make you
happy? Do you want Bynum to say that he really was upset by Kobe's
statement on the camera? Would that give you a thrill? Would either
of those things make a difference of one win or one loss this season?
I doubt it. But it would give you a vicarious soap-opera thrill.

Maybe you'd be happier over on the General Hospital blog, that's what
I'm saying. They get very into that kinda stuff.

Tao

"All Kobe had to say was he hadn't talked to Bynum yet and that he intended to on the flight to Hawaii and everybody would have dropped it. Instead, Kobe says it's taken care of?"

Sometimes honesty IS the best policy. it's a non issue unless someone lies about it.

It's like politicians who get caught doing something they shouldn't be doing like that one sentor who got caught in a the men's bathroom on the "down low" then pretends that he dropped a toilet paper and which happend to have a note written on it "wanna have sex?"....okay, i made the last part up.

Same with this Shaq crap. Everyone and their moms (grandma too) knows that kobe lobbied for shaq's departure. Just own up to it and move on. Geez louise.

Kobe puts a lot of this stuff on himself. Either kobe's the dumbest guy in the NBA or the smartest guy. I vote for the former.

If the game has passed Phil by, who would you like to coach the Lakers??


anyone not named Phil Jackson, not because I dont think he can coach, hes just not the right coach for this team,

>>>"I am starting the Kwame Chronicles for the new season...
>>>...Look forward to this because they should rival
>>>the Jackson Journals in length!!!"
>>
>>If you are actually serious about doing this, I would suggest calling them
>> the "Kwame Kronicles." Just a writerly note. haha

COOOOL!

I'll write an article about all the times that Odom drives to his left, or when
he defers to Kobe even though he has an open shot. I'll call it the
Lamar Laments.

Good Reading KBros,

Although BK, I'm just a tad bit worried about "you" trying the "design in head" approach to grooming. I dont wanna come off as a "hater" or jealous even, but unless you shave "That's Hot" in your possible design, I cant see trumping the "starhead" look. :) HAB, I still have questions about what KB said to KG that ultimately helped him decide to go to Boston too.. It just seems strange that IF KG was extending an Olive Branch to Kobe and KB WANTING TO WIN NOW.. Why wouldnt he have just told Kev to come on down? I dunno.. I guess the only thing I'm really happy about is how that smug azz Ric Bucher looks like a deer in the headlights after saying Kobe would NEVER play in a Laker uniform again.. neener, neener, neener Ric

Godfather (Mamba24)

Please add me to the laker's-win-45-games-and-kobe-wins-another-scoring-title-and-lakers-lose-in-the-first-round-AGAIN bandwagon.

Thanks.

TALK TALK TALK and more talk on non sense talk, text messages! Trade Talks! Phil Jackson talk! TJ simmers most stupid talk! KLbeast what talk?!

The only important thing to watch out is the most important goal right now!

The road to the playoffs! This is already a tough goal for the Lakers!

Do your math. Who are the teams that are most likely locked for the playoffs and how many spots left available among teams that are are fighting for it.

Spurs
Mavs
Suns
Rockets
Jazz
Nuggets

6 teams are unquestinably has a talented roster that will make the playoffs.
That leaves only two more spots to contend with, that is what need to be discuss in this blog. The teams to watch for so our Lakers can slip into the playoffs.

Warriors are a running team, that makes it easy for them to collect wins. I see them making it more than any other team besides the Lakers. Grizzlies can not be taken out, I also think they have a legit chance to make the playoffs, look at their talent level (Darco, Pau, Warrick, Gay, Miller, Lowry, Navarro, Conley).

Lakers, Warriors, Grizzlies, Hornets = 4 teams for only two spots! Better thank Elton Brand for his injury, otherwise it would be five teams!

Help is on the way for the Lakers even if Jim Buss does not contribute. Oden, Brand, Amare, Nene are all injured and won't start the season.

Every Laker game will count, every win is going to be counted and every loss is going to hurt our goal, this early we should be in the playoff hunt!

KOBE

We have huge problems ahead of us! and text meassages is not one of them!

KLBEAST,
"EXCLUSIVE TRANSCRIPT OF THE LOST TEXT MESSAGE BETWEEN KOBE AND BYNUM"


THAT'S HILARIOUS!

LongTime Laker Fan,

i get your point, i actually agree with you... but just for the record, LO doesn't have a wife. he has a baby momma.

and enuff with day old news... what happened in camp today? i've been clicking back to this blog all day and still nuthin

Jason-

Starter or not, I just wonder why Kobe, if in fact Bynum isn't mistaken about his texting history, felt the need to invent a story. Very weird, and totally unnecessary.

BK

Gunner,

>>HOW MANY PLAYERS STANDING AROUND OPEN WHILE KOBIATCH
>>IS DRIBBLING.

In case you missed it, here's a quote from John Hollinger's evaluation of
the Lakers:

"For the season, L.A. ranked seventh in offensive efficiency thanks to Bryant, and would have been even better if they'd put a couple more shooters around him. The Lakers were fifth in 3-point frequency, taking 25.9 percent of their attempts from long range, but only 17th in accuracy at 35.3 percent. In other words, Kobe created open looks that the other guys couldn't knock down."

Did you get that - Kobe created open looks that the other guys couldn't
knock down.

So what do you prefer: Kobe continuing to pass to his teammates shooting
35.3 percent? Or shooting more himself at 46.3%?

long time

"If you're that obsessed with personal minutia, then why aren't you
obsessing about whether Lamar is cheating on his wife, since he was
clearly window shopping in that video."

it's this "personal minutia" that creates a hostile working environment. it is also factual evidence, beyond a resonable doubt, that kobe is, in fact, still an a-hole and that we're going to have more of the same this year.

same crap, different year.

an you wonder why very few free agents want to play with kobe. what's not to love about kobe? badmouth teammates, lobbies against the GM, calls the owner an "idiot". Who wouldn't love to have kobe bryant as a "franchise player"?

All this drama for all of our mamas. Kobe should change his nickname from Mamba to Drama.

remember when you could go to the side of the page, click the thread by the poster's name and go directly to their message?

will the html geniuses ever figure that out here so we can go back to that convienence?

Long Time Laker Fan, again you just... don't... get it.

The whole thing is, odd. Ok? That's what I was originally saying before Mike T came along and told me Kobe doesn't have to answer to players of lesser stature...

It's just... odd... Kobe was telling people he was talking to the other players in the offseason, did he? LOL! I mean... I saw KB24 where they had the most promising SG's in the nation come in for some kind of "camp" Kobe was running. It was fantastic! An amazing thing for those kids. But...

did Kobe ever do this for Jordan Farmar or Javaris Crittenton? I just... don't get it. He wants everybody to improve, did he help Bynum the previous season set up an offseason training program or did he expect Bynum to learn through osmosis? Bynum had to go through last year to understand how much he needed to develop his strength and then showed his desire this offseason by doing what he did.

It just seems Kobe's actions towards strangers are more helpful than his actions towards his teammates and this was just another in a long line of headscratchers... not a big one, but still...

Linda Pineda

"We have huge problems ahead of us! and text meassages is not one of them!"

Text messaging is not the problem.

Our so-called "franchise guy" is the problem. Our laker team only tolerates kobe and kobe feels entitled to exceed Dominic Wilkins as the best scorer to never have won a championship as the #1 guy.

Text message this!

long time

"Did you get that - Kobe created open looks that the other guys couldn't
knock down."

was that before or after kobe dribbles 7-10 times and kills 15-17 seconds from the shot clock in an offensive scheme that is predicated on "passing" per Tex Winters? Just checking.

BK,

I agree. I have no idea why Kobe would first say he talked with AB, then say he texted AB, when neither was true. I don't think it's all that big of a deal, but it's strange nonetheless.

I was just wondering how in the world Michale T. could suggest that Kobe needn't speak to AB or even give him any sort of acknowledgement at all. Seems an odd thing to say in the world of professional hoops.

Who wouldn't love to have kobe bryant as a "franchise player"?

Shawn Marion
Baron Davis
Carlos Boozer
Ron Artest
Lebron James
Jason Kidd
Carmelo Anthony
Mike Kwyryzryskzkzzski
Chauncey Billups

"The whole thing is, odd. Ok? That's what I was originally saying before Mike T came along and told me Kobe doesn't have to answer to players of lesser stature..."

That's a great way to treat your guys? I can't wait to crawl into a foxhole with the a-hole.

Repost: (Sept 30, 2240 hrs)

"Place me on the Bynum Bandwagon, and he (along with several other Laker players) willl be twice as effective if Kobe is somewhere back east"

That so many of you are willing to invest (waste) at least one more season (before the big and imminent Chocolate meltdown) is perplexing.
All that any of you Mamba worshippers can do really is only hope that such an event won't happen, when in your hearts you know that it probably will.

Bynum and Lamar both (and who knows who else) could be All Stars one day, but by virtue of historical precedent, this probably won't happen until after Kobe has moved on to new pastures. Do the math. Even if your team performs "well" this year, the icon possessed and absorbed nature of the Laker fan base will credit the Mamba, and not team individuals, for making the team better. So when Kobe does finally leave (and he is going to) this will leave your young team without a clue to their identity. Better he leaves two years ago than now; better now than two years from now. Hit the road. Let the Los Angeles Lakers begin anew. Now! Time's awaistin'. Laker fans settle for nothing less than championships, or so they claim.

Watch. It will pan out exactly as I have described, and when I say "better" with respect to how the Lakers will fair in the post season (if they get there), I'm guessing -out in the second round- top scenario. Let's see, how many years "under" Kobe has it been already? That's what the Mamba will get you. Possibly to the playoffs, then out. You already know the tune. We'll title this song "More Of The Same" by Jorenema and the Scorched Earth Packers.

In the meantime, you've wasted, yet, another year hero worshipping when you could already have had a young team which might have been ready to challenge for the WCF championship this season. THIS season folks!

My new name for Chocolate Rain is the Ol' Ball & Chain.

But by all means, go ahead and wear it. It seems to fit quite well, even though it is a terrible disservice to other fine players on your team, not to mention a unforgiveable waste of world class talent.

Go Kings, Go Niners, and yes, go Kobeless Lakers!

Sonnybelfast


AK,
"immediately underestimated"

All the easier to sneak up on those rebounds and dunks!!

PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE

You know I have been LOVING the Lakers and going to games for almost 30 years now, but all of you who think we're going ANYWHERE except out in the first round are thinking only with your herats, not your heads.

PROOF: Anyone want to bet $500 or even $200 that we win 55, or get to the second round with the team we have? Would anybody really bet that? What if the bet was $2000 or $5000 - would anybody actually risk it?

If you honestly would put that much on it, I'd like to hear from you. BTW I wouldn't take your bet because I'd have to root against my heart since like everybody I still hope for the purple and gold.

But let's be real. And maybe keep the pressure on the front office even though Kobe is playing "good soldier" for now.

Long Time,

My goal is for Lakers to win championships. First of all, cheating on teammates is more detrimental to that goal than cheating on wives. Second, Kobe is the appointed leader of the team, so his character is subject to greater scrutiny than that of the rest of the players. So, if any other two players have a falling out, it's less important than when the leader has a falling out with an underling.

Ever worked in a team environment, Long Time? Never had a boss or a senior coworker who treated you like Kobe treats his? Not very conducive to team's goals.


" If your best player is not a good guy, you need to get rid of him"

Bill Parcells

The Beast spoke:

"It's this 'personal minutia' that creates a hostile working environment. It is also factual evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Kobe is, in fact, still an a-hole and that we're going to have more of the same this year...same crap, different year"

Sound like a good "quote of the year" candidate. Does it have a bandwagon I can hop on?

Sonnybelfast

TALK ABOUT WEIRD:

Why would one writer say this:

NYDaily News: Mitch Lawrence
BBoston & L.A. are centers of NBA once again
Sunday, September 30th 2007, 4:00 AM

Meanwhile, Jackson and the Lakers have decided to put plans for an extension on hold. Owner Jerry Buss doesn't want to re-sign a coach at $10 million per season who can only get his team as far as the first round. And Jackson isn't that desperate to continue coaching a team that easily could finish in ninth place in the West.

"I think I have an outstanding offer to sign up again, but I have held that back because of my recovery," Jackson said, referring to his second hip replacement this past June. "Then there's the basis of how well the team does. If this team doesn't move forward quickly, and that's - I think - the second round of the playoffs, then I think we have to reconsider."

And then PJ says this:

10:24 PM PDT on Monday, October 1, 2007

Broderick Turner

EL SEGUNDO - Phil Jackson walked gingerly and with a cane Monday, still on the mend following hip-replacement surgery in June.

His health remains an issue, but Jackson said that's not the main reason he hasn't signed the contract extension the Lakers have offered.

Jackson wants to be "productive" -- to improve upon a team that was 42-40 last season and has been bounced out of the playoffs in the first round in back-to-back seasons.

PJ acts like it's up to him. Talk about lying. Or shall we say: "weird."

mike

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that I would rather work with Kobe in any industry (finance, journalism, science, insurance, basketball, etc.) than with KL.

MAN32,

Concerning the Kwame "Kwonicles", I'm sorry, but I just can't spare the time to read them. I've already got the Holy Koran, 3 of Michener's books and War and Peace on my plate for this winter's read. To double up on that would be impossible.

Sonnybelfast

Kobe's T (fka Kobe Apologist)

"Who wouldn't love to have kobe bryant as a "franchise player"?"

i won't rip you for dropping the "apologist" lable. i would too.

I would "love" to work with my old incompetent boss ON THE RECORD.

OFF THE RECORD, she's incompetent and i wouldn't take orders from her if i were working at a McDonalds drive thru.

yeah, who cares about this stuff, it reminded me of how very much I would enjoy Kobe vs Shaq II with the roles reversed and Kobe is the vet and Bynum is the up and comer.

The interesting part of this whole mess is that if Bynum emerges this year, WHERE is Kobe going to find a better situation? He can opt out, get max money for staying here and he can ride another GIANT HORSE like Shaq in the old days, giving them a true inside/outside game unless... he wants to prove he can win without a dominant Center? Heck, this one can actually make his free throws!

and! the more success Bynum has, the more Kobe will stab him publicly and privately! FANtastic!

Come on! You know you want it...

sonny,

I'm as big an LO guy as anyone but saying that Kobe is keeping him from making an all-star team is ludicrous. How many all star teams did he make before he got to the Lakers? LO's problem has always been LO. He's not consistenly aggressive enough whether he's played for the Clips, Miami or LA.

From Sam Smith of ChicagoSports.com

October 1, 2007

"MARINA DEL REY, Calif. -- Phil Jackson sat sipping his favorite soft drink, the Arnold Palmer mixture of lemonade and iced tea. Jackson's cane, the one he uses as he recuperates from a second hip-replacement surgery, lay an easy putt away. Behind Jackson, the sun began to set into the glittering Pacific Ocean. The symbolism was obvious, even to me.

Is the sun about to set, not only on the brilliant coaching career of the newest NBA Hall of Fame coach but also on the glorious success enjoyed by the Los Angeles Lakers?"

Gee, I wonder why the sun is setting on Phil. Could it be Kobe? Damn you Kobe! Could it be Jimmy Buss? Damn you Jimmy!

NO! NO! NO!

The whispers are getting out. What are they saying? Damn, it was something called the Jackson Journals that did him in. LOL!

And it isn't over yet!

mike

Jay Jay

I would make that bet..... Mamba24 add me to the 55 win bandwagon...

I don't have faith in the FO but I have faith in Kobe. And hearing him say he's going to demand more from the other players says a lot. I don't care if you like kobe or not, this dude brings it on the court. I don't want to jinx it but i'm rolling with the 55 wins and a WCF.

Kwame Kronicles entry #1 - Dropping the ball personally by being arrested and charged with disorderly conduct THIS SATURDAY.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3046722

I mean, come on dude! Aside from the Kobe accusation and LO's early issues blazin trees, Kwame is the only Laker to frequently get in trouble with the law. Now, if I were a Laker, I'd be partyin also. But, he is one of the most underachieving players in a while.

With his god-given physique there is no reason he shouldn't drop 15 & 10. Since he's proven he can't do that, and since Kupcake vastly overpaid him (remember nobody wanted him after his Wiz playoff meltdown and subsequent benching/being sent home), you would figure he would have his ass in the gym going into a contract year.

Not Kwame! I hope this is not reflective of his effort this year. I'm really wishing that Bynum has developed enough so that the Lakers don't HAVE to rely on Kwame.

Mike T,

>>>You've got to be kidding me. I don't even read those guys. I read it on ESPN or
>>>something like that. I can't remember exactly where but it wasn't from one of the
>>>bloggers.

No, trust me, you didn't. I read it pretty much daily and I've never read anything
there where they reported that

"Garnett would have pushed for a Lakers trade. Garnett controlled that whole
situation. He could have killed the Boston deal by refusing to sign an extension.
He signed off on the Boston deal because of the "Kobe situation" for sure. But it
was Kobe who informed Garnett on that situation."

Like I said. Provide me a link to the alleged article where this was reported.
Other than that I have to assume it's all assumptions on your part based on
a much more vague statement made by Kevin Garnett. And I believe he said
the "Laker situation", not the "Kobe situation".

 
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