MJCMAN32 - Van Gudy was saying the lineup last night without Odom was not very good and certainly not one in the upper echelon of the league.

I dont know what booster boy is waiting for lets see what this kids Crit and Bynum can do with extended minutes.

I guess it's a street thing. That ol' pic 'n roll....

mike

Brian Cook could shoot a quarter into a shot glass at 30 feet. It would be flat as heck, but it would go in. I don't know why you guys rip on him so much.

Believe it or not, that kind of one-dimensional skill gets you paid. If you look at most teams rosters, you'll find a B.Cook type player, that's why only a few guys are "superstars" and the majority of the league are role-players... - they have a role to play (in Cook's case, big-guy shooter) and that's what they're paid for. I'm fine with Cook on this roster, you need shooters on a team, and his contract is the perfect size for trade-thow ins, but as BK said, it's when Cook gets a longer burn that you know something's wrong and the team suffers because he's not really capapable of contributing in other areas of the game very well. But that's the case with most role players, it's the coaches job to work the matchups so that your role players inadequacies aren't exposed as much as the other team's.

The rumor Kobe for Wallace and Artest is untruth, Lakers are very stupid to have Wallace and Artest, I saw Artest in the playoff, he is just a role player. Mitch Kupchak signed Luke Walton right away, because he wanted to show to us, he is a genius to draft Brian Cook and Luke. On Monday, Jerry West talked on radio AM570, he said Lakers has to pay Kobe 70% of his salary on the opening night of NBA, and Kobe is the only NBA player with no trade clause in his contract.

Just watched the game again. Fish was the only player that had a good game.

Great teamwork by Kwame and Luke on the Houston basket. I am sure I will never see that again.

It is so clear after watching the game why there is no team work or chemistry or ball movement or this so called Triangle. How can you run the triangle w/Kobe?
Every single time the ball was passed to him it was like a black hole, one on one, force it, doesnt matter, dribble for 10 seconds than drive or pull up. So ugly!!
No wonder the team is in a funk when he is in the lineup. I would rather watch the kids play Team ball then Kobe one on one all game. That was to many shots by kobe last night I don't care if the other players missed the shot, you have to involve them to be a TEAM!!!

At least Kobe is working with the Lakers on who we get and who we don't get when he is traded. I am sure Kobe will make sure the Lakers get a good deal even thou he already veto'd the trade of Deng to the Lakers.

bd

Mike T knows what he talking about. Last year for 2 months during the possible KIDD trade he stated that once the Nets demanded Kwame to make the trade, the Lakers veto'd the trade.

bd

do you even watch the game or do you just type?

Amazing, Kobe did not play well with Lamar and now he wants Deng, it's OK, i take Hindrich and Gordon, of course Gordon and Kobe can't be on the floor at the same time for sure. The rumor on AM 570, the deal with Chicago was off because of Kobe on last Friday, maybe this is reason, Phil and Magic were upset. When Lakers played against Detroit in Final, one play, KObe had the ball, he did not run and dunk the ball, he walked and stand around 3 point line, Linsey Hunter ran up and defended Kobe, why? You have the answer.

Mike T knows what he talking about. Last year for 2 months during the possible KIDD trade he stated that once the Nets demanded Kwame to make the trade, the Lakers veto'd the trade.

Posted by: BD | October 31, 2007 at 07:47 PM

any two year old would have told that would have been the case...who gives up both their centers for a PG? we would have no one in the middle? the FO is crap but they ain't that crappy.

pic' 'N roll...You make some type of argument because I leave out an apostrophe?

"There is no such word as pic! The 'n is short for and...

Well, gee smartass you think I didn't know that? Or did you think I spell and with an N? What do you think the apostrophe is for? Pic' 'N Roll.....That's the term or slang for your book knowledge. No wonder the Knicks suck.

mike

This guy is so arrogant that he thinks he teaching me to spell the word "and." The arrogance is amazing.

mike

Kiwi,

Yuu wrote this: To start with there is no evidence that management are not trying to win now.They have just been restricted in what they can do and done a bad job

I disagree. The evidence reads as follows: Failure to acquire Boozer, Baron Davis or
J-Kidd. Failure pay Phil Jackson 10 million when he first asked for it. Failure to keep
Dereck Fisher. While tossing Bynum into the pot would not have made us champions,
the upgrade at pg might have been enough for us to make it pass the first round. It would
have been an upgrade on defense, passing, shooting and floor spacing. This year we'd
have a long shot at getting to the finals. I think Jason Kidd is that good and alters the
chemistry that much. Imagining J-Kidd, Kobe & Turiaf on the floor at the same time.

mmmmm Tasty!

"While I agree Picks and doing little things win games"

Here's a guy who finally acknowleges that pic's and the little thing is what win games. Unit I put all that out there in the other thread he didn't mention it at all. And this guy says he been teaching for years.

Barely today he says:

"OK , OK if I give Kwame some slack, is he better suited to play the four?"

Here's a teacher of the game and it's barely today that you acknowledge that Kwame is the one who is doing the little things that get us wins?

Here's a teacher of the game and he watches the Lakers' game and has the nerve to preach Bynum who is weak on the pic's and defense.

And now he want to nit pick about the lack of an apostrophe?

You better take a closer look at Andrew Bynum's pic's and defense before you post your "expert" basketball knowledge and quit worrining about the lack of apostrophes.

mike

Let me break it down for Mr. Expert.

For every point Bynum scores he give up 1.5 in return. If Bynum scores 12 points you can bet the Lakers are giving up 15-18 while he's in there.

Kwame may not score much but the Lakers more often than not are leading when he's in there.

Now explain that Mr. Expert. Expert my ass!

You nonbasketball understanding pretender.

mike

You ignorant (fill in the blank)

"You never answered me about Kwame at the 4 and Bynum at the 5..."

I usually don't answer question I've already addressed.

THREAD: Last chance to make a first impression? Or to get ready to make a first impression? Something like that.

Lakersville, USA…
By Michael C. Teniente

The James Worthy Philosphy:

Big Game James, on the last telecast of LTV, was discussing the center position for the Lakers. He was discussing who should be the starter. Was it Brown, Bynum, or Mihm? James said it should be Bynum. He said that Bynum has been here long enough and has enough of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s teaching in him to be a beast or something like that.

He also mentioned that he thought Kwame Brown should be playing at the 4 spot. He said Kwame would dominate the smaller guys at the 4 spot. He might be right. But before that can happen a few things would have to be addressed before, I think, Kwame would feel comfortable with that move. I give my list of reasons why it’s a good idea.

1. My first reason is because I’ve been watching Kwame Brown since he arrived in Los Angeles. And I can tell you this without a doubt and full conviction. Everything Kwame Brown does with his body, on the court, has power forward written all over it. The way he moves, that is. The only thing that he doesn’t do, that has power forward written all over it, is when he receives an entry pass and he tries to play with his back to the basket. That is where he’s trying to be a natural center and it doesn’t always look to pretty. But why should it look pretty? He’s not a natural center.

The scouting report on Kwame, coming into the league, was that he had no post-up game. The scouting report also mentions that his game was more like Danny Manning. What that means is the guy can dribble and shoot. Since those days Kwame has put on a lot of muscle. That muscle takes away from the full effect of a Danny Manning type game.

So as a power forward, for the Lakers, the question has to be this: What are we expecting from Kwame at that position? What type of game do we expect to see? Well, if we’re going to see anything from Kwame at that position, in my opinion, the Lakers have to take the handcuffs off of Kwame. That’s the only way Kwame would work at the 4 spot for the Lakers.

What does that mean? Kwame has to be allowed and even encouraged to take the 12-15 footer for it work out at the 4 spot. Why is that you ask? It’s because one of Kwame’s strengths is his foot-speed. But that foot-speed isn’t being utilized by having Kwame playing the 5 spot. It’s not being utilized because there’s not enough separation between Kwame, the guy guarding him, and the basket. In other words: He can’t beat his man to the basket because there’s not enough room to the basket, down low, to take advantage of his foot-speed. Yet, how many times have we observed Kwame make all kinds of moves trying to create with his feet? And how many times has it looked…well…not pretty? He’s too close to the basket for all that. Being so close to the basket cancels out his foot-speed. And that’s one of his strengths.

For Kwame to take advantage of his foot-speed he has to be able to hit a couple of 12-15 footers in the game. That’s not going to happen if the Lakers, PJ, won’t take the handcuffs off. And I don’t mean for a couple of games. Kwame has to feel like the Lakers are going to ride him at the 4 spot no matter what. My feeling is that Kwame doesn’t want to mess up because he might get pulled from the game. So he doesn’t try to do things that are described on his scouting report when he came into the league.

It’s very important for Kwame to be able to hit the 12-15 footer because that would mean that his man would have to play him closer. Once his man plays him close, it’s then that Kwame will be able to take advantage of his foot-speed. Kwame would have the 12-15 feet from the basket to blow past his man. In other words there would be enough separation between Kwame, his man, and the basket for Kwame to use his foot-speed. Again, that’s not going to happen if PJ won’t take the handcuffs off of Kwame. Kwame has to be encouraged to shoot the ball without worry that he’ll be pulled from the game.

It’s not that Kwame can’t hit the shot. It’s that he fears that he’ll get pulled if he “messes up.” Take the threat of pulling him from the game and I think it’ll work. If my theory is right, Kwame Brown is going to have a lot of open shots. Not only that but Bynum would be playing center and Kwame would have the backdoor to play with all game long. We’re talking alley-oops for sure. You know how long Bynum’s arms are. All he would have to do is hold the ball over his head and pass it to Kwame if Kwame dives to the basket from the weak-side.

Not only that Kwame would be able to read the defenses further away from the basket when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands and crash for offensive rebounds.

2. The advantage of having Kwame play the 4 spot would work on the defensive side of the game, too. Here’s my reason for thinking it would. Kwame has been playing the high pic-and-roll by showing. It works pretty well for him and the Lakers. But I have my concerns that the day will come when a good guard will exploit that and break the Lakers defense down. But if Bynum were playing center Kwame could be more aggressive on the defensive end of the game away from the basket because Bynum is tall enough to discourage the shooter that get passed Kwame on the perimeter. With Kwame’s foot-speed he could create havoc all over the court on defense with Bynum in the background protecting the rim. And at the same time we won’t have to worry about Bynum’s foot-speed on the defensive end because Kwame would be doing a lot of the perimeter stuff. Kwame could play the strong-side of the defense and Bynum could play the weak-side. That’s almost a no lose proposition right there.

3. If all this fails it’s Bynum who would have to be pulled from the game and Kwame moved back to center because without Kwame, in the game, the Lakers defense just falls apart.

I think PJ would have to sell Kwame on this. Kwame is in a contract year and if PJ decides to put Kwame at the 4 spot and it doesn’t work, and then PJ pulls Kwame from the game, why would Kwame want to do that? If Kwame insists on playing the 5 spot the Lakers don’t really have a choice but to play him there because Bynum and Mihm just won’t get the job done. I think PJ know that already. He knows Bynum and Mihm can’t get the job done on the defensive end or else one of them would be the starting center.

The only way PJ can sell Kwame on this is to assure him that if it doesn’t work out he’ll move him back to the 5 spot. And I think PJ, Kobe, if he’s still around, Odom, and Fisher have to order Kwame to take that 12-15 footer. Kwame has to feel that he isn’t going to get punished for missing a shot or two. Sooner or later the guy is going to hit a few and then the game will open up for Kwame from 12-15 feet from the basket. Kwame would then return to his roots. Kwame is a natural face to the basket, using his foot-speed, type player. But the guy has been ripped so much he’s shelled shocked about that part of his game. His teammates and his coach need to pump him up to do it.

If these condition are met…I want Kwame at the 4 spot.

PJ has to create a no fail situation for Kwame at the 4 spot for it to work. If it doesn't work he's back at the starting 5 spot. I mean with Bynum's and Mihm's inability to protect the rim, reliably, over a 82 game season and in the playoffs...I think it would be the smart thing to do. Create a no fail situation for Kwame at the 4 spot.

mike

Posted by: Michael Teniente | October 27, 2007 at 06:11 PM

KWAME BROWN CAN NOT PROTECT THE RIM.

Edwin, if you don't look at double-teaming the Suns, then you either get Nash penetrating all game long, or Amare dunking on everybody all day long. Or both. You can't cover the best offensive players in this league without a team concept, and the Suns have lots of guys who can score.

"Clearly you haven't been watching Bynum. And if Kwame is the starting center what does that say about Bynum? Can't figure that one out can you genius?"

BYNUM 20, IMPROVED EVERY YEAR

KWAME 27, NO IMPROVEMENT IN 7 YEARS

Okay, so several other web sites reported that the three-way trade with Chicago and
Sacramento had Hinrich and Artest and something else coming to the Lakers. I like that
better than the "Wallace and Artest" version that was reported (especially if the
"something else" was Noah or Thomas). Maybe both versions were discussed and
rejected. I wonder who rejected them. Bulls? Kings? Lakers? Kobe? Whatever.

Now that Deng and Gordon have both turned down their 5-year 50 million dollar offers,
the situation has changed in this way:

1. It motivates Paxson to trade one or the other. If both Gordon and Deng are expecting
to get max contracts (or anywhere near it), that's around 30 million combined, which
would put the Bulls at about 82 million next season, which would be so far over the
luxury tax that they'd be paying over 90 million, and thus would effectively be paying
20 million EACH for Gordon and Deng. I can't see him doing that. If you're going to
have to pay someone 20 million, it might as well be Kobe, right? They could combine
either Gordon or Deng (probably Gordon) with either Hinrich or Wallace and maybe
another small contract or two, and then they could keep most of the core intact and
stay under or at least close to the luxury tax next season.

2. It's easier to make a deal with Deng or Gordon during the season, as their salaries
just count for what they are, no poison pill provisions to deal with. This makes
combining one of them with Nocioni or Hinrich possible, though Noc would have to
wait until Dec 15.

3. It makes a Kobe to the Bulls deal MUCH easier at the start of next summer. Salary
matching isn't an issue, as they'd be signing and trading either Deng or Gordon as
part of the package, so that would make up a big chunk of the salary matching.
They wouldn't need to include Hinrich or Wallace or even Nocioni to match salaries.
Or if they did, there could be a Laker player or two going back in the trade.

I realize that Kobe Bryant has the most difficult contract in NBA history from the standpoint of trying to send him somewhere in a trade, but this is just becoming ridiculous. How hard is it to put together a reasonable trade that makes everybody happy? Here is a couple of "simple" trades that would accomplish everything that the Lakers need.

Trade 1

Bulls receive Kobe Bryant and Kwame Brown
Wizards receive Ben Gordon, Ben Wallace, Brian Cook, PJ Brown and 2 future draft picks (1st & 2nd round).
Lakers receive Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison, and Brendan Haywood

Why does it work?
Chicago: They would be able to keep Hinrich, Deng, Thomas, and Noah while adding in Kobe Bryant and Kwame Brown for defensive purposes or cap relief next season. Kobe would have some real talent around him in order to compete for the championship in the East.

Washington: Jamison will be a free agent next summer and Arenas can opt out of his contract next summer, making both free agents. At that point Washington would be stuck possibly not getting anything for either of them. In working this trade, they would be able to lock down Gordon to an extension...replacing Arenas. Ben Wallace would enter a lineup that will struggle with the absence of Etan Thomas. Wallace and Blatche would make a strong low post presence. Cook adds depth as a long range shooter. The team would still have Butler and Daniels among the others.

LA Lakers: The Lakers would in essence have a new face to the team. Arenas would instantly replace the star power and scoring power of Kobe Bryant. Jamison would enter as a versatile forward to play alongside Odom. Haywood would enter as a more experienced big man to play opposite Andrew Bynum. The Lakers starting lineup would become Fisher, Arenas, Odom, Jamison, Haywood. That is a much stronger lineup than they currently have and with Jamison in an expiring year, the Lakers would be able to negotiate an extension/new contract.

The second trade is actually with Chicago & Sacramento....

Kings receive Ben Gordon, and PJ Brown
Bulls receive Kobe Bryant, Brian Cook
Lakers receive Ron Artest, Thabo Sefolosha, Tyrus Thomas, and 2 future 1st round picks

Why????

Kings replace the bad contract and disruption of Artest with a guy that can enter and play point guard in the absence of Bibby and 2-guard when he returns. His contract would need to receive an extension. They would also get PJ Brown in a one year expiring contract.

Bulls would be able to acquire Kobe Bryant without losing Hinrich, Deng, or Wallace. They would also be adding in Brian Cook as another forward that can shoot long range and spread the floor. Adding Kobe to those three plus looking at the remaining roster should lift the Bulls ahead of last season.

Lakers would provide themselves players to fill the holes that currently exist. Artest could enter and play shooting guard. He provides the defensive presence they have been lacking on the perimeter. Thomas, enters as the new starting power forward with Turiaf becoming a reserve. That would be an explosive tandem at power forward. Sefolosha would become a solid reserve swingman for this team. The Lakers would then need to waive Karl or Vujacic to make room for these three players.

Wrap-Up:

Trade 1: Fisher, Arenas, Odom, Jamison, Haywood
Trade 2: Fisher, Artest, Odom, Thomas, Brown

Trade 1 is definitely the more offensively strong scenario, while Trade 2 is definitely focused on the defensive end. It would then all depend on what direction the Lakers want to focus: Offense or Defesne. Either way, they will be a much better team if they work out one of these two trades.

Maybe it's time for Jerry Buss to fold his trading cards. Media reports say the Bulls-Kings-Lakers 3-way trade is dead. The straight Bulls-Lakers trade talks aren't going anywhere. Hard to see how a Jermaine O'Neal trade that couldn't come off all summer has any shot. Maybe there's a Bulls-Pacers-Lakers trade, but no one has suggested such a thing.

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban says you can count out Dallas in the Kobe Bryant sweepstakes. During Wednesday night's game against the Cleveland Cavaliers, Cuban told ESPN that the team is not pursuing a trade for the Los Angeles Lakers star. "It's not going to happen. We've got a great squad. We like it."

I thought there would be a deal by now. I was wrong.

The Lakers seem screwed till Lamar gets healthy. The current uncertainty about Kobe is only making things worse.

Maybe it's time for Buss to sit down with Kobe, and tell him there's no deal out there right now that's doable, so let's just agree to peaceful co-existence, at least until closer to the trading deadline.

That gives the team 4-6 weeks of stability or at least a minimalization of distractions. It would be better for the Lakers. It would be better for Kobe. And it would send a clear message to any team that's serious about wanting Kobe: There's no fire sale, and low ball offers are a waste of time.

The thought on my part that Buss might see the wisdom of my suggestion is a stretch. Nothing that he or his front office have done until now indicate that common sense is a factor. He's probably laughing at David Stern's suspension and fine over a few bottles of expensive champagne, surrounded by women young enough to be his granddaughters.

Tonight, Kobe is being held hostage by his own contract. Both sides have painted themselves into this corner. A good contract is supposed to be a win-win. This one is a lose-lose. None of us fans signed this contract, but it makes a losers, too.

There's a Laker crisis going on, and the whole blog is arguing about how to spell pic(k)? LOL.

As the trade deadline approaches, and Bird starts getting desperate, we offer Kwame (expiring contract) and Bynum for Jermaine O'Neal.

We also offer Luke, Farmar, and two #1 picks for Artest.

Our lineup wil be:

Fish/Critt
Kobe/Evans
Artest/Vlad
Lamar/Turiaf
O'Neal/Mihm

This is a championship team. This team will trounce anybody in their path. If O'Neal and Lamar can stay healthy, a potential dynasty.
Get it done Jim.

Well...if the INEVITABLE is INEVITABLY going to happen...

I say Gordon/Hinrich/Noah/Some Dude for Kobe/Kwame/Sasha. A Gordon/Hinrich/Odom trifecta alone should carry us into the deeper part of the first round.

Then again, it don't mean a thing. Gordon or Hinrich will INEVITABLY diss Jim Buss and they'll be outta here by next training camp.

TRADE THE REAL CANCER (Jim Buss) TO THE LA SPARKS!!!
MAGIC JOHNSON FOR GM!!!

Or...keep THE REAL CANCER and make Magic GM anyway. At least Magic will have the b@lls to stand up to Jimbo the next time he sees untested, poor ranked draft picks and starts having delusions of grandeur!

Michael Teniente,

The ONLY way your comparison between Bynum and Brown would hold water is if the other 4 players are the same for both periods when they are on the floor. Otherwise, it can not be proven that simply looking at the scoring disparity with Brown or Bynum in the game is a sign that the one is a better option than the other. Now if the same players are in the lineup for both big men and Bynum still gives up more than he scores, then your comparison would be proven correct. Otherwise, you are using some serious assumptions in order to justify your point.

Besides, I fail to understand the purpose of you trying to prove that Brown is a better defensive option than Bynum. That has already been proven from several different levels. However, it is not an option to have Brown on the court for 48 minutes a night, so clearly, you have to have Bynum play some minutes. Plus, at different points in the game it is more necessary to have an offensive presence in the paint than at other times. At that point, it makes more sense to have Bynum in the game over Kwame. Plus, the fact that Bynum is not a perfect player at this point only attest to the fact that he is still a work in progress which is an understood fact. Everybody knows that he has things to work on and improve on. The point is that he has demonstrated enough potential to give people the motivation to believe that he can improve. When Shaq played with the Magic, his defense was not solid at all. Olajuwon killed him in the Finals the year they met. It wasn't until Phil challenged Shaq in LA that he finally started focusing on defense. That was after about 6 years in the league. Bynum is in year 3 and is only 20....which is the age when Shaq entered the NBA. I think we can afford to give him a little more time. As for Kwame, he may become an even better defender in time with experience and more work, but I doubt that he will ever become an offensive presence. That is the difference of the two, Bynum has potential to be solid in both areas, whereas Brown doesn't. For now, Brown should start, but after this season, that will no longer be the case.

Instead of beating this dead horse, why not move on to other topics? No one disagrees that Brown is not the better defender. Phil has proven that he believes in Brown by the fact that he continues to pick him as the starter. So why are you continuing to make an issue out of this, when no issue exists? As for your disfavor of Walton or Mihm, I believe that first you can't lump them together. Walton, whether you like it or not, is a solid passer and he has developed some of the areas of his game offensively. On defense, he does work hard and as a team defender, helping out especially, he does get in the passing lane and disrupt things. One on one, he is clearly too slow to handle the better small forwards. He wouldn't be starting right now if Odom was available. In fact, he still may not be starting if Vlade is healthy. Phil proved in preseason that he prefers to bring him in with the second unit. As for Mihm, he only played after it became clear that Cook wasn't working out. Anybody that believes that Phil likes Cook so much should just look at how much time he spends on the bench and how quickly he is taken out when he messes up. Mihm only played out of necessity. However, as a power forward, he did cause some mismatches yesterday. If he is able to start hitting that midrange shot he will get some time. His defense is terrible right now as well, but do the Lakers currently have a choice of whether or not to play him? Last time I checked Kwame was only 1 person and therefore can't play center and power forward at the same time. Plus he can't play 48 minutes a game. That means that guys like Bynum and Mihm have to play. In other words, this is not a debatable issue because unless/until the roster is changed, this is what it is.

EX,

I hope you don't blame me to the hilt if I could not give you concrete names. I know some players but they have been gotten by the Euro League like Papaloukas so this is not an instant scouting but a thorough research in a pipeline. Next time I will apply to be an international scout eventhough I could not even qualify to be a boy scout haha! OK, I mentuioned some names last summer many with Team Greece, Team Spain, Team Lithuania, Team Brazil and those who played in Final Four at Euro Fiba. There are many bangers there and shooters. Biedrins and Pietrus are just one of them, look on their second year they are decent players on defense also with offense.

I know you are serious that learning the triangle is a hard task. Do you really see a triangle in last nights game? The Center could hardly touch the ball and pass it back to Kobe. Look at the play on Turiaf back to Kobe or that Bynum to back to Kobe. Why back to Kobe, does he have a magnetic field? It appears Kobe is the center of the offense not the big man. Therefore the triangle is only effective when double teaming occurs and there is an open man. With the Lakers, it's obvious they double, triple Kobe. He fishes for foul in the post which other claims he's forcing his shots. Both are right but in absence of a reliable "money" shooter, Kobe is preferred than letting Kwame do the works. Kwame missed four in a row and nobody is guarding him on the free throw line, perhaps 12 in a row if you include the preseason lol! that's embarrassing for an NBA player. Euro and asian players that's the first thing they master the FT line because it's a free shot. In the case of Walton, he would rather pass the ball than shoot it, that's also bad , it means he has no confidence with his post play, he is only three meters from the basket, he could not manufacture shots because he's not athletic enough like Wells, Hayes or Alston. Of course, there is a room for improvement in the next 81 games. How about our kid drew bynum, can he double pump or move the ball from left hand to right in the air or dunk the ball with one hand with body english like the iceman. The Kid needs to go back to tapes of the Great Centers who played the game. I will mention two names which you are familiar with: Moses Malone of Sixers and Elvin Hayes of the Rockets if Bynum can copy these masters, do you think Yao Ming will not be fouled by 3rd quarter. It is not how you dunk but how you control your body while in the air? When will he learn that? Maybe 2011 when we're tired of blogging. lol!