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For what it's worth, Phil Jackson liked the way Al Thornton played

And who can blame the Zen Master, given how the rookie from FSU racked 24 points (including 4-5 from distance), five rebounds and a block in his role off the bench?  Unfortunately, Thornton's also employed by the Clippers, so I'm not quite sure how much good that praise does anybody.  Certainly not much for the Lakers, who played a collectively awful game in their 112-96 loss to the Clippers.  Jackson spoke well of Jordan Farmar's play (19 points, 6 rebounds, 5 assists) and had a few nice words for Andrew Bynum (16 points, 4 rebounds, 1 block), but all in all, he didn't dig what just about everybody  else brought to the box score.  "I just didn't like the way we played tonight at all," admitted the coach in rather blunt fashion.  "I don't know how you guys felt about it, but it wasn't very much fun to be there watching that performance tonight."

Well, if you're sincerely curious about my opinion, Phil, I concur with that assessment.
 

Jackson lamented his squad's propensity for handing the rock to their opponents (22 turnovers in all), a habit personified in heaviest fashion by Kobe Bryant.  The Mamba was more gardener snake this evening, coupling an off-night shooting with a gaudy seven turnovers during sixteen opening half minutes.  He didn't play at all during the second half, but there's no reason to think of this as a "benching."  PJ just wanted to get an extended look at some of the younger guards.  Still, he wasn't pleased with his superstar's performance.  "I thought Kobe was trying to do a little bit too much.  couldn't make the basket, so he had to make (the pass) to the assist.  It's like hockey sometimes.  You move on to the next guy that makes the assist."  Similar to how Kobe needs to believe in his teammate's ability to score upon giving them the opportunity, the same principle applies to a faith in their ability to set the table.  "He has to trust his teammates to make the plays rather than being the sole playmaker." 

One guy who did have a nice night playmaking (as well as putting the biscuit in the basket) was Jordan Farmar, who's also enjoying the opportunity to run with the rock.  "I love it.  It's great for me.  Trying to put pressure on the defense, on the guards, they're backpedaling.  We have guys that can run and shoot."  He also returned some props Jackson's way, appreciating how the man with nine rings and little to prove is willing to adapt his strategy a bit, rather than just stick to his bread and butter (cut into triangular-shaped sandwiches, of course).  "It was unexpected coming into training camp, since it's one way for so long" admitted Farmar.  "But it showed me a lot from his perspective, that he's trying to win.  He's trying to make changes, defensively and offensively to use our talents that we have with this ball club and just let us do what we do best.  That shows me a lot, when a coach that's been so successful doing it one day and still has the ability and the willing nature to change and try to make it best for his team.  I've learned a lot and gained a lot of respect for him." 

I asked Farmar if learning such a precise system as the triangle (as basically this entire unit has) helps guys learn to stay in control while going a little more balls to the walls.  "I think so.  I think it gives us a lot more responsibility as push guards.  You know Kobe's doing it with the first unit and myself coming off the bench taking the second unit.  It puts a lot of responsibility in our hands to control tempo and make the decisions."

-AK
 

   

 

 
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Maybe Mike T has been right all along. When I read this coming from Farmar concerning PJ,

"I've learned a lot and gained a lot of respect for him"

it tells me that last year's rookie didn't have a lot of respect for Jackson. Either it's incredible hubris on the part of Farmar (the rookie judging the man with 9 rings) or it's a severe judgement of Jackson's coaching skills as they played out last year. If a rookie says that, it must mean others on the team felt the same way and said the same sort of thing (but not in front of people with cell phones that record video). It puts Cook's and Smush's refractory attitude last year in a slightly different light.

OK Bloggers......I have been doing a tremendous amount of thinking about this Kobe Soap Opera. Sometimes, I think it is just for the money. More TV exposure for the Lakers...plain and simple. I do very well believe there is a level of frustration shared by both Kobe & the organization, but I also believe it is more hyped up than it needs to be.

I have often thought about challenging us, the Laker Fan's, to do our part in convincing Kobe & the Buss family that in fact #24 should be a Laker for life. Make no mistake, it is those of us who are season ticket holders who help pay those salaries. It is those of us who buy the merechandise, subscribe to NBA League Pass, and purchase 12 ounces of crappy beer for $10 at the Staples Center that pay the checks to all of these guys. So since it is in our own financial interest, then we should have the forum to speak to our team, and express to them that we are tired of the drama. If these guys focused the energy they use on this soap opera on the game instead, we may actually win 50 games this year.

K Bro's, your blog is great, but who in the Buss family or in Kobe's organization are actually reading what we think? I think as Laker Fans, we must mobilize and speak our thoughts and minds on a much larger scale. I think we need to do the unprecedented. Lets march in front of the Staples Center on October 30th, Game 1 of the year! Lets let our voices publicly be heard. Lets let the Buss family & Kobe hear from their real boss! We have the greatest player on the planet, and the greatest organization to ever play the game. Why would we want to separate that? How soon many of us forget that this is almost the exact same team that took Phoenix to Game 7 2 years ago! We were 6 seconds away. Now, we are stronger, have more PG depth, have 3-4 center options, a better outside threat, and an even better understanding of the Traingle offense. We need to mobilize and share our frustrations with the organization and with Kobe. We look like a bunch of Hollywood Pre-Madonnas across the entire USA!

I know that this may sound a bit cheesy......but I am actually serious about this. I want to lead it, and I am looking for some help. Post your name on this Blog subject, and I will add you to the list. We can do this Laker fans! I know....I'm crazy.......but hell, you only live once!

Any takers........or am I going to be there by myself?

Still, he wasn't pleased with his superstar's performance. "I thought Kobe was trying to do a little bit too much. couldn't make the basket, so he had to make (the pass) to the assist

Translation- Kobe is not a natural playmaker and should not be running the offense- he is not a point guard. Why was Fish brought in again?

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Seven turnovers for Kobe? Has Kwame Brown and Kobe somehow done a "Freaky Friday"-esque body switch? What the hell?

GO LAKERS!

As much as I love D-Fish and yes its only pre-season buttttt I'd love to see Farmar start !

Amasing what a little competition for playing time does. Farmar vs. Crit and look what we got? Mamba please put me on 'START JORDAN FARMAR' bandwagon. Yes he will makes a lot of mistakes, but he has a fire, speed and IQ to grasp triangle and run at the same time. And he can deliver pinpoint passes to other guys. And this is what good PG suppose to do. Plus his shooting is definitely improved.

The preseason is used to gauge players abilities. Now we know that kobe doesn't operate very effectively as a distributor. He's there to score, plain and simple. I think that Jordan is more effective with speed, and Fisher needs to slow the tempo with the first unit as Phil alluded to in the post game confrence last night. We lost because of Kobe who was going at mach 10. It was only 1 game but it seems like Kobe needs time to recoup and then begin the offense slower. We've lost all the games where Kobe is trying to strictly distribute the rock going at mach 10. He's used to a slower tempo I think. Farmar is a true PG who is making everyone everyone else look GOOD even Cookie. As this preseason goes along we are noticing tremendous improvement over last year particularly with the players in Farmar's second unit. I knew this Kid was capable of this last year when I saw him in a summer league game. He's going to be 6th man of the year or make someone like a Bynum 6th man this year if he can stick to the same exact way he's playing at right now. Farmar is a very smart and talented player he is. But I have seen good potential from Critt as well. Just have to wait and see what unravels...

mamba, sign me up for sasha/bynum breakout bandwagon

farmar gives good energy off the bench, and can run the second unit.

Dan Dan "The Laker Fan,"

I am with you brother! But unfortunately I can only be there in spirit! I live in NYC so it will be pretty impossible for me to be there in person but just know I will definitely be there in spirit. We, as fan's, definitely need to be heard as well as be able to voice our frustrations, concerns and comments about this messy soap-opera off-season.
Don't give up Dan Dan, this is a worthy cause!

GO LA!

Man, it is windy! Props to all the firefighters in Southern California. It's a major uphill battle with these winds. I've never seen it so windy over here in San Diego.

The game last night: it sucked.

Sure Farmar and Bynum played well together. Other than that, it sucked.

Needless to say, Kobe is playing some uninspired basketball. And the sad part about it is that his teammates followed his lead, especially in the 2nd half when we came out very lethargic.

The Kobe loyalist in me is saying it's just the preseason, and Kobe is rusty. The realist in me is saying that no mega-superstar player should ever get 7 turnovers in 1 half of basketball no matter whether it's preseason or pick up ball.

What in the hell was Kobe doing out there? Does he even care anymore? What do his teammates think about that? Am I making something out of nothing?

Sabotage is coming to my mind, but it's the freakin' preseason, what's the point? Get your head in the game Kobe.

Tsphere,

I could be wrong, but I think you're misinterpreting Farmar's comments. I don't think he was inferring a lack of previous respect (at the very least, not on his part), but simply complimenting Jackson for making an adjustment from what's been tried and true over a successful career. Most coaches, especially ones who've been around for a while, tend to stick with what they do best and make players adjust to them. They may tweak things a bit to tailor things towards players, but that's about the extent of it. Popovich teams play a definitive style. Nellie coaches "Nellie Ball," etc. Thus, Farmar is impressed to see a coach move outside his comfort zone if it's in the team's best interest. In other words, a newfound respect, as opposed to literally respecting him for the first time.

AK

It's preseason and some of the players who are already in are just playing around. Some are trying their best to get in but the jitterbugs gets into their game. Coby Karl is in danger of not getting the 15th slot. We have a glimpse of the Lakers this coming season. They have a new offense which is new, fast, focused on the post, ball is always on the move, so they are all experimenting it in every game. It worked well on Saturday but not on Sunday. This is the cause of high turnovers. There are three causes of defeat last night: T/O's, missed F/T and slow footspeed beaten by the running Clippers.

Preseason games are not recorded but habits and team camaraderie are formed during preseason. We are very aware of Laker maladies of the past i.e weak in road games (they lost 2x in Hawaii), poor in back-to-back games and overconfidence (They maybe be reading the blog too much that they are good lol!) They should win at least 3 games this season against the Clippers since they are 2 1/2 players short namely: Brand, Livingstone and 1/2 Sam-I-am. If the Lakers wanted to make noise in the Western Conference, they have to take care of home business against their LA counterparts. Clippers were also the spoiler last season that catapult the Lakers to the 7th seed. If basketball is a team sport, all 12 men should be capable of picking up the pieces of the weaker links. If the first team do not pan out, the 2nd stringers should step up and the remaining two bench should seize the opportunity to shine. That is the team strategy in road games and back-to-back games. Don't depend on Kobe, Odom or Bynum. Those three guys should depend on the team and used them as decoys to confuse the defensive strategies of other teams.

Dan Dan "The Laker Fan",

You idea seems to me very good. As you know, I come from Barcelona in Europe. Here the fans can be associateds to the clubs they love, without being necessarily season ticket holders. All the clubs have an adress to write and always receive response, but more importantly, every year, owners make a public meeting with representatives of the associated where they can ask, protest, and even decide if they aprove management moves.

Phil better let Kobe be Kobe and not try to do too much redefining right now.

Wes

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TO ALL LAKER FANS PLEASE FORGIVE THE LENGTH OF THIS POST BUT
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THE BOOK OF LAKERS BLOG revised MONDAY OCTOBER 22, 2007
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In the beginning there was chaos and the world was full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
And then a voice said WE ARE THE FREAKING LAKERS and lo and behold a Blog appeared.
And writing that was beautiful and lovely appeared on it: LAKERS BLOG OF EDEN. And a second
voice said this is good but it is not good for gods to be alone and so the voices said In unison let
us make a blogger and lo and behold there appeared FAITH . For without FAITH you have nothing.
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appeared: Jon Kavulic, rdlee, Sonny, Zen, V, EDWIN G, GENERIC_1, LAKER TOM, RICK FRIEDMAN,
HOBBITMAGE, THA_SHOW, TIM_4_, SHOW and others. And all existed in harmony and happiness
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and shinning star who sat upon the right hand of the gods. But KL666 was not satisfied with sitting
on the right hand of the gods and KL became jealous when the bright and shining new prince
KOBE BEAN BRYANT ‘s name began to appear upon the BLOG and this twisted the gods most
beautiful creature KL until he, yes HE, BEAGAN TO THINK HE WAS BETTER THAN THE GODS.
In fact he began to think, yes THINK, HE KL WAS KOBE BEAM BRYANT and this twisted the
Beautiful shinning star KL and he began to sow divisiveness in the LAKERS BLOG OF EDEN .
What was once a place of tranquility and peace began to become one of divisiveness and the
shining star KL666 helped fan this disunity and soon what had been one people of like mind became
many groups of many minds. THE ONE TRIBE LAKER FANS split into many. They called their tribes
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Finally the two gods could take no more and warned KL666 to stop this divisiveness but KL666
declared IT IS BETTER TO RULE IN HELL THAN TO SERVE IN HEAVEN whereupon they sent KL666
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became cruel and helped to sway believers from the path. . But the gods in Their wisdom said we will
not send this one to Hell but will keep him here and his punishment willl be he will be forced to watch all of
9Rings games and chronicle his every move FOREVER. But now even the gods appear to be disillusioned by
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ELGIN BAYLOR, JERRY WEST, PAT RILEY, JAMES WORTHY, SILK
COACHED BY THE 9 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON AND
NO ONE AND NOTHING WILL EVER DIVIDE OR CONQUER

And slowly the Anti Kobe and Pro Kobe Tribes began to unite and suddenly
in a twinklling of an eye they were made as new and once again became
one tribe. THE LAKER FAN TRIBE and the power that was created by this
unity was such that Songs and Legends began to appear. Many of them
have been lost for the ages but this one remains


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BALLAD OF THE LAKERS
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The doubters sat waiting for them to fail
Training camp came and they began to jell
L.O. looked like an allstar to be
Kobe appeared to be the new MVP
Bynum came out like the second coming of Shaq
Can I believe my eyes Sahsa is on the attack
The Lakers appeared strong and stood tall
And Kwame, yes Kwame caught every damn ball
Dfish kept all of the crew in line
Not one Laker was heard to whine.
The triangle my friend was a thjing of beauty
Even Scootie and Michael had to come to see
The season started and wouldnt you know
In November The Lakers beat every damn foe.
December and January went the same way
The Lakers became the Team, teams were afraid to play
They held to under seventy the high flying Suns
That was the same game Kobe scored 101
The regular season ended and they were so great
They broke the Bulls record they were 74 and 8
Then came the Playoffs and Im sure that you know
They ended up winning 16 in a row.
Mitch cried for joy and Jim gave up the crack
Jerry retook his Office the Lakers were Back
9Rings became 10 which made Phil the Best
For three years in a row The Lakers ruled the West
For each of those years Kobe won the MVP
Then Kobe retired and handed Bynum the Keys
But Bynum said NO! Kobe we both can drive
So when Kobe retired instead of 3 they won 5.
Which gave Kobe 8 NBA Titles and 5 MVPs
And Kobe not MJ became greatest in NBA history

START JORDAN FARMER BANDWAGON
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>>Seven turnovers for Kobe? Has Kwame Brown and Kobe somehow done
>>a "Freaky Friday"-esque body switch? What the hell?

No, about half of those were Kobe trying to get the ball to Kwame. He threw
him the kind of passes he used to throw to Shaq for easy points and Kwame
watched them sail by or fumbled them out of bounds. Seriously, if he had
thrown the same passes to Bynum, it would be more like 3-4 turnovers and
you could add 2 or 3 to his assists.

Rocky,

>>>What in the hell was Kobe doing out there? Does he even care anymore?
>>>What do his teammates think about that? Am I making something out of
>>>nothing?

1. it's a preseason game, so it's more about evaluating the bottom of the roster
than winning. In case you didn't notice, Coby played almost as many minutes
as Kobe.

2. PJ has Kobe playing point, which he isn't really used to, and he has Kwame
as the starting center, which means any pass to your starting center is a 70%
chance of turnover

3. The Clippers played their real starters much more than the Lakers did:
Maggette 24 min, Kobe 16 min, Chris Kaman 33 min, Kwame 9 min, Cat
Mobley 25 min, Luke Walton 11 min. That's why they won. Also, their
rookie trumped our rookie. (sorry Javaris, but no ROY for you :-)

4. You're making something out of nothing.

5. Watch the next 3 preseason games, especially the last one. At this point,
PJ has seen enough of Sasha and Evans and Farmar and Critter and Karl
and Mihm and Kwame to make some decisions. The next few games, he'll
start to shorten the rotation and play people in the minutes he expects to play
them in the real season. By the last pre-season game, I expect to see Kobe
doing 30 or so minutes and Critter, Cook, and either Mihm or Kwame doing
very few minutes.

LALAKERLOVER,

I'm loving the play of Farmar as well, but I think it's still best to start Fisher. Farmar may still get the majority of the minutes, since Fish is going to play about 20 minutes a night. Also, because he's still a young player, I think it's best to let Farmar run roughshod over the legues other second units (the same could be said about Andrew Bynum). Between Farmar and Crittenton, I t think the Lakers are set at point guard for the next 10 years; throw in Bynum and Ronny Turiaf and it looks as though the Lakers have a youth movement that could rival the Chicago Bulls.

Speaking of the Bulls, I wonder if the marked improvment of the Lakers young players (read: Farmar, Bynum, Turiaf and Vujacic) will effect the whole Kobe trade scenario...

Kid Licorice
(http://www.criticide.com)

these "bandwagon" lists are all fine and good but why isn't anyone talking about the BIG issue which is... Kobe's play. From what I've seen, even though it's the pre-season, is NOT the Kobe of even last year. Have you seen some of the passes he is making?

I just get the feeling he's just kind of playing, waiting... he'll do an interview and say, so and so had a good game but you don't get the feeling he really cares or feels a part of it, so he's just like... yeah... whatever...

Maybe when the season starts up and Lamar comes back it will change but it seems this whole "facilitator" thing is something he's overdoing to show Phil that he CAN'T do it or maybe he really just doesn't care anymore and is subtly forcing the issue of trading him...

In my mind i can see the Lakers scaling the 55 win plateau this year.With the sudden improvement of Bynum his strength and conditioning a marked improvement from the previous year and with the continued tutelage of Kareem Jab-bar the Baby boy will grow into a real NBA center this year,i could always see the skills in the kid he just needed time to adjust to the high level of play,and can be Jimmy Buss`s true redemption........My next post will be on Sasha.

Quit worrying,Kobe will be find this year,he is just testing the waters with Phil new philosophy on the trinangle.The Kobster will be ready.

WHITE MAMBA24 elcome aboard and welcome to the
Mamba family LOL!

Kobe doesn't know the facilitator role in the triangle??? He's "learning" it now??? What was he doing from 2000-2003? Now he acts like he doesn't know how to play the role? and... it's all or nothing? all passing or all scoring? He doesn't know how to be a scoring threat when he's also looking at passing?

I find this very hard to believe and this on the heels of sitting out just a few days before to this because he was "offended" that Buss said he would trade him for the right deal... AFTER HE ASKED TO BE TRADED???

LOL! I know people want things to work out but we're talking about one of the most stubborn people ever to wear a Laker jersey. Past goodwill means nothing to this guy. What makes everyone think he is just going to go out and play and forget whatever it is that is offending him now?

If nobody wants to talk about his passing, what about his defense? Nobody wants to talk about this either?

TaosHum,
"LOL! I know people want things to work out but we're talking about one of the most stubborn people ever to wear a Laker jersey. Past goodwill means nothing to this guy. What makes everyone think he is just going to go out and play and forget whatever it is that is offending him now? If nobody wants to talk about his passing, what about his defense? Nobody wants to talk about this either?

Me Thinks you have some major points there sir!

Dan Dan "The Laker Fan"

I'm with you...what time we meeting up?

Mambe 24
Glad to meet you sir.Iam new to the blog.Live here in the great norhtwest and I have been a Laker fan since Tommy Hawkins,Darrell Imhoff,Big wilt and Jerry and Elgin baylor just to name a few.Nice to know I have co-horts in here that share the great Mambe name.I will defend the KOPSTERS name till death...Thank you

(Laker 55 win season)..... Sasha Vujacic could be the most improved of the younger players,always did like him and his work ethic and it looks like he took the exit meeting to heart,Sasha improved his shooting and his focus and he always was a pest to the oposing players.Vujacic can be the next European super star and the Lakers had him the whole time he just needed that time to mature, watch out NBA he`s my pick for the next manu Ginobili.........Next posting Jordan Farmer

To echo Mamba 24: Welcome to the great Mamba family. FYI,You will be called names at times (LOL) but stay strong brother.

PS Mamba 24, put me on the JIM BUSS IS THE CANCER bandwagon.

To the worriers of the blog, it's pre-season people chill. JEEZ!!! Please read the post by: "Long Time Laker Fan"

5. Watch the next 3 preseason games, especially the last one. At this point,
PJ has seen enough of Sasha and Evans and Farmar and Critter and Karl
and Mihm and Kwame to make some decisions. The next few games, he'll
start to shorten the rotation and play people in the minutes he expects to play
them in the real season. By the last pre-season game, I expect to see Kobe
doing 30 or so minutes and Critter, Cook, and either Mihm or Kwame doing
very few minutes.

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | October 22, 2007 at 10:20 AM

White Mamba 24
To echo Mamba 24: Welcome to the great Mamba family. FYI,You will be called names at times (LOL) but stay strong brother.

PS Mamba 24, put me on the JIM BUSS IS THE CANCER bandwagon.

To the worriers of the blog, it's pre-season people chill. JEEZ!!! Please read the post by: "Long Time Laker Fan"

5. Watch the next 3 preseason games, especially the last one. At this point,
PJ has seen enough of Sasha and Evans and Farmar and Critter and Karl
and Mihm and Kwame to make some decisions. The next few games, he'll
start to shorten the rotation and play people in the minutes he expects to play
them in the real season. By the last pre-season game, I expect to see Kobe
doing 30 or so minutes and Critter, Cook, and either Mihm or Kwame doing
very few minutes.

Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | October 22, 2007 at 10:20 AM

Mamba from the east coast


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