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Chat! and a roster update

First, AK and I will be on the LA Times chatboard today at 1:00 pm to engage in our always lively conversation.  Go to www.latimes.com/chat, then click "Sports Chats" to get to us. I believe that'll do it.  The transcript will be posted later today.  In the meantime, those of you who pre-ordered your Larry Turner jerseys are going to be disappointed.  He, along with Andre Patterson and Elton Brown, have all been waived. 

Couldn't see that coming.  Click below the jump for the release.

BK

LAKERS WAIVE ELTON BROWN,

ANDRE PATTERSON AND LARRY TURNER

EL SEGUNDO - The Los Angeles Lakers have requested waivers on Elton Brown, Andre Patterson and Larry Turner, it was announced today. 

Brown, a 6-9 forward out of the

University

of

Virginia

, played for the NBA Development League’s

Colorado

14ers during the 2006-07 season, averaging 18.4 points, 9.6 rebounds and 2.1 assists in 50 games.  In three preseason games with the Lakers, Brown tallied one point, two rebounds and one assist in 10 total minutes. 

Patterson, a former UCLA Bruin who transferred to

Tennessee

for his junior and senior years of eligibility, played last season for the Los Angeles D-Fenders of the NBA Development League.  In 50 games including 36 starts with the D-Fenders, Patterson averaged 10.5 points, 7.2 rebounds and 1.62 blocked shots in 32.3 minutes.  Patterson also played for the Lakers 2007 Summer-Pro League team, averaging 4.3 points and 1.5 rebounds in four games.  Patterson recorded two points, six rebounds, three steals and four blocks in 25 minutes over three preseason games with the Lakers.

Turner, a 6-11 center from

Tennessee

State

, averaged 5.8 points and 6.1 rebounds last year as a senior.  A member of the Lakers 2007 Summer-Pro League team, Turner averaged 7.4 points and 5.2 rebounds in five games.  In two preseason games with the Lakers, Turner posted five points, six rebounds and one assist in 11 total minutes.

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Aw H-E-L- L N-O Not Elton Brown. Say it's not so AK. I thought he
was going to be the foundation upon which the new Laker Empire
would stand. LOL!

They should've gotten new hairstyles, then they would've made the squad for sure.

No offense, but if I was the GM, I would cut Sasha and Cook and would keep Coby Karl and Larry Turner.

Eaglboy

Surprised they didn't lump Karl into it, but he'll be out soon as well. He'll get picked up by another team though. Like he said, he makes a nice 15th man. Unfortunately for him, Lakers only have 14 spots.

The real question is which two will go on the IR... Assuming LO will be ready. I believe Critt has a lock on one of those spots. Mihm and Sasha are the frontrunners for the other. But Cook and Evans have a shot at it as well...

We shall see...

CUT KWAME! Seriously!

The last date we can cut KWAME we should.

Bring in Marc Gasol to play the PF position.

I am TIRED OF KWAME BROWN!!!

Staples24- agreed the Lakers cut the wrong Brown, it should have been Kwame despite Mike T's and 9 rings manlove for the guy

Staples 24,

No we shouldn't cut Kwame. Not because he's a world beater but because his $9 million expiring deal is going to be valuable come Decemer, January. That may be the only thing that could placate Kobe.

Maybe the Kings will realize that they need to blow it up rebuild around Kevin Martin and we can snag Ron Artest from them. That is, if the Heat doesn't step in and offer Jason Williams' expiring deal.

Mike T,

I agree with a lot of what you say about Kwame. He is a much better defender than Mihm, and Lakers have a better record with Kwame starting.

But I guarantee that Lakers will never become an elite team with Kwame playing major mins. The guy is an idiot, plain and simple.

Kwame "we might not wake up tomorrow" and "I am going into my contract year, so I am gonna have to step it up" (yes, he said that with a very straight face) Brown will not be a Laker after this season, if not sooner.

However, he should start this season at the 5 ahead of Mihm and Drew.

going to the game tonight....can't wait

It's amazing how this and the espn Lakers forum have a surprisingly similar mix of fans who fall into various roles in the group dynamic. You have blind Kobe lovers. Blind Kobe haters - who aren't really Kobe haters - they just hate Kobe lovers. Fans of other teams who just like to post here because it's a really active board. Fans who have their own context or who take ridiculous positions for reasons unknown other than maybe wanting to be right about something that nobody else is. There's even someone over there who does the repost thing like mamba24 does. It's pretty fascinating.

Although I'm not surprised, I thought the Lakers should've at least held onto Larry Turner because the guy is huge and the team is so thin at PF. At practice, PJ had Vlad and Cook running with the SFs b/c those two are just like tall SFs. Thanks goodness Ronny can play the 4. That at least, gives some relief to the problem created when Kwame's inability to play the position he was brought in for forced him to move to the 5 in a simplified role. Anyone else remember that talk about how they just told him to get low post position and seal his man b/c that's all he could handle? LOL. That cost the team two years of LO getting beat up at PF b/c Kwame couldn't handle it.

RUMORS: KOBE ON WAY OUT THIS WEEK

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba?cnn=yes

Wouldn't shock us at this point, I suppose... But very sad.

- Miguelinho

START KWAME!
Let me start by stating that I have been a Kwame fan and supporter his entire time with the Lakers and I think he has a lot of potential...But I think it's time for him to go.
Hate to say it but come Feb trade deadline the lakers have to make a trade package starting with Kwame and filler(s) for at least a star-type player. Like XODUS mentioned before, maybe try and use the pkg to snag Artest from Sac.
Plain and simple, even if PJ starts Kwame, bynum will be the Full Time starting Center by next season and Mihm should be healthy to back him up at the C spot. Remember, Kwame was only brought in to fill in our PF spot but because of his inability to grasp certain bball concepts he was never comfortable in that role and thus never flourished in that respect. Start him for the first half of the season and hopefully he will play well enough to make his trade value more attractive. (I think this is PJ's theory as well)
P.S. Sorry Mike T. =)

Miguelinho - That's a repost of the Vescey article. It's easy to be skeptical when you have only one journalist reporting it and he just kind of threw that out there in the midst of a bigger article. If a trade does go down, the only way I'll be sad is if it's a bad deal for the team.

Tim-4-Show
"As much as I like them both [KL and Gunner], I must say, the blog seems to function much smoother when all those excessive posts aren't being made. I just hope this is the case and not fire, so I definitely hold them in my prayers to remain safe from danger."

I suspect KL and Gunner appreciate your kind thoughts. i also suspect KL and Gunner have been banned from the blog by the Gods...

Serves them right.

Miguelinho,

Wasn't that the rumor last week? HAB put that one out there last week. Then we had the Hartman debacle. I, myself, am numb to the rumors. I'll believe it when I see it.

mike

Lakers_sth,

You're right. I forgot who we're dealing with here. Vescey is the guy who just writes whatever he feels like and then adds excitement by citing non-existent mysterious sources.

But if he happens to be right - the rumor says Buss has had enough and will rush this through even if it's not an optimal deal. Would they really do it AGAIN?! This rumor better be crazy. Cause I thought even the dumbest buss in that office learned something from the Shaq deal.

- Miguelinho

This is a long, but interesting article from TrueHoop. The haters need to understand that the traits that the haters despise in Kobe, are the same traits that create such a single minded beast on the court. Kobe is a rare breed, and it would be wise to realize that he is by far the Lakers best chance to bring more banners to our franchise. Look at our roster and count how many of the players are warriors? (answer- about 2 or 3). How many are pussycats? (answer-the rest). Get Kobe some REAL help, and he will be a Laker for life :

"Do Well-Adjusted Athletes Lead Championship Teams?

October 22, 2007 10:57 AM


I'm sure they do. I'm sure they have. I'm sure they can.

But you have to wonder if it isn't better to be extremely single-minded.

When I was in high school, at one point, in some class or another, we read an essay by Carol S. Pearson about different archetypes we live by. (Bear with me.) There are several of them, and I don't remember the vast majority of the details.

But two have stuck with me, in horribly bastardized form. (With apologies to the author ...)

One archetype is the wanderer. The wanderer, essentially, seeks new experiences, trying on some level to figure out what's different about him or her from everything else going on. The wanderer, as you can imagine, is an open-minded learner.

Another archetype is the warrior. Whereas the wanderer walks into a room and says "hmm ... what's going on here, and is there a place for me?" the warrior walks into a room and says "let's rearrange this joint." It's about realizing there's something different about yourself, and remaking the world in your image. This is single-minded.

I was learning about this when Michael Jordan was a young NBA player. People were talking about Jordan "imposing his will on the game." Think about the many anecdotes of Jordan telling his teammates, essentially, to be more like him. Warrior. Straight warrior.

And ... not so much of a wanderer. Jordan cast a famously narrow net in search of expertise -- Tim Grover, David Falk, Phil Jackson, people Jordan knew in high school or at college. (Hiring from a narrow pool of friends is one of his weaknesses as an executive in Charlotte.)

One of my favorite Jordan stories is about the fact that when he was getting to know Abe and Irene Pollin, who were courting him to become part of the Wizards' organization, they served him salmon. He had spent decades in the finest restaurants in the world, and had even owned restaurants. Yet, reportedly, this meeting in January 2000 was the first time Michael Jordan ever ate salmon.

Single-minded warrior, check. Wanderer? Not really.

Now, compare that to Dirk Nowitzki, who just spent a good chunk of the summer literally wandering remote Australia. Here is Nowitzki, interviewed on NBA.com, preaching the gospel of new experience:

Best piece of basketball advice you received was...
It wasn't really basketball advice, but just keep your eyes and ears open, always learn. It is a good lesson for life too. You always want to improve. You can never think you learned it all in life. There is always something else coming. That is the same with basketball. You can always work on your game and be a better player and person.

Later in the same interview, Nowitzki talks about his parents (don't we all wish we had these parents?) who essentially encouraged him to wander.

How proud is your family that you made it to the NBA?
You can't really describe it. My whole family is my biggest fans. I could go 0-20 one night and my mom will still call me and be like "hey you did this and this good." They supported me from day one. They drove me around to practices all over when I played tennis, handball. They let me make my own decision. I was pretty decent in tennis and handball. When I said I wanted to stop, they didn't say a word, they said "hey it is whatever you want to do." Then I started playing basketball. They drove me to basketball practice, to the games. So they have been really supportive of my sport career. They come over here every year for like two or three weeks and they love to be here, love to see me play. With the National Team in the summer, they travel wherever I go and try to watch. I grew up in a very close family and it has been great.

As I recall, Pearson suggests success comes from balancing these and other archetypes in your own life. I suspect that's good advice. (I also suspect that you do best in life by playing the cards you are dealt. It's not like Nowitzki could or should just decide to become brutal.)

But in the particular and bizarre game known as being a basketball superhero -- and here being a team leader may differ from being a supporting player -- I am quite certain that rules of the game are tilted heavily in favor of warriors.

And that's where I can't help thinking back to how Dallas was booted from the playoffs in the first round of the playoffs earlier this year. No, it wasn't all Dirk Nowitzki's fault. Yes, Golden State (irony alert, they're called "the Warriors!") was inspired.

But when I was watching those games on TV, I feel like I could see Dirk Nowitzki saying to the Warriors: What are you going to give me? I have this move and that move and this other one, and I'll use whichever one you will let me use. And the Warriors essentially replied that he couldn't have any of those.

And Nowitzki was thrown for a loop. He was not prepared to re-shape that game in his image. He wasn't single-minded in obliterating the obstacles.

Instead he had the wanderer's response. He was open-minded in trying to think of better ways around those obstacles.

That wanderer's approach is perfect in a lot of settings. Who's against learning? It doesn't deliver push-button results, though. It takes time to wander. I will just bet you that if you were to let Dirk Nowitzki replay that series against Golden State right now -- after a summer of replaying that meltdown in his mind -- he would do much better.

But when the clock is ticking and a playoff series is coming to a close, don't you think Mark Cuban and thousands of Maverick fans wish Nowitzki was a little more of a warrior and a little less of a wanderer?

This is not to say that Dirk Nowitzki didn't earn his MVP award. This is not to say that he isn't a magnificent player, and the most skilled player by far on one of the best teams of recent years. But for a few bounces of the ball, and some debatable calls, Nowitzki would have Dwyane Wade's ring on his finger.


I don't know if the Mavericks are serious in their rumored pursuit of Kobe Bryant. And if so, I don't know if they would consider including Dirk Nowitzki in such a deal. But if they ever do consider trading Nowitzki for Bryant? I would have to suspect that it's not because the Mavericks would feel they needed a better scorer, a better teammate, or a bigger star. It would be because they felt they needed a full-time warrior, and whether or not Nowitzki can bring that is still unclear."

This is a long, but interesting article from TrueHoop. The haters need to understand that the traits that the haters despise in Kobe, are the same traits that create such a single minded beast on the court. Kobe is a rare breed, and it would be wise to realize that he is by far the Lakers best chance to bring more banners to our franchise. Look at our roster and count how many of the players are warriors? (answer- about 2 or 3). How many are pussycats? (answer-the rest). Get Kobe some REAL help, and he will be a Laker for life :

"Do Well-Adjusted Athletes Lead Championship Teams?

October 22, 2007 10:57 AM


I'm sure they do. I'm sure they have. I'm sure they can.

But you have to wonder if it isn't better to be extremely single-minded.

When I was in high school, at one point, in some class or another, we read an essay by Carol S. Pearson about different archetypes we live by. (Bear with me.) There are several of them, and I don't remember the vast majority of the details.

But two have stuck with me, in horribly bastardized form. (With apologies to the author ...)

One archetype is the wanderer. The wanderer, essentially, seeks new experiences, trying on some level to figure out what's different about him or her from everything else going on. The wanderer, as you can imagine, is an open-minded learner.

Another archetype is the warrior. Whereas the wanderer walks into a room and says "hmm ... what's going on here, and is there a place for me?" the warrior walks into a room and says "let's rearrange this joint." It's about realizing there's something different about yourself, and remaking the world in your image. This is single-minded.

I was learning about this when Michael Jordan was a young NBA player. People were talking about Jordan "imposing his will on the game." Think about the many anecdotes of Jordan telling his teammates, essentially, to be more like him. Warrior. Straight warrior.

And ... not so much of a wanderer. Jordan cast a famously narrow net in search of expertise -- Tim Grover, David Falk, Phil Jackson, people Jordan knew in high school or at college. (Hiring from a narrow pool of friends is one of his weaknesses as an executive in Charlotte.)

One of my favorite Jordan stories is about the fact that when he was getting to know Abe and Irene Pollin, who were courting him to become part of the Wizards' organization, they served him salmon. He had spent decades in the finest restaurants in the world, and had even owned restaurants. Yet, reportedly, this meeting in January 2000 was the first time Michael Jordan ever ate salmon.

Single-minded warrior, check. Wanderer? Not really.

Now, compare that to Dirk Nowitzki, who just spent a good chunk of the summer literally wandering remote Australia. Here is Nowitzki, interviewed on NBA.com, preaching the gospel of new experience:

Best piece of basketball advice you received was...
It wasn't really basketball advice, but just keep your eyes and ears open, always learn. It is a good lesson for life too. You always want to improve. You can never think you learned it all in life. There is always something else coming. That is the same with basketball. You can always work on your game and be a better player and person.

Later in the same interview, Nowitzki talks about his parents (don't we all wish we had these parents?) who essentially encouraged him to wander.

How proud is your family that you made it to the NBA?
You can't really describe it. My whole family is my biggest fans. I could go 0-20 one night and my mom will still call me and be like "hey you did this and this good." They supported me from day one. They drove me around to practices all over when I played tennis, handball. They let me make my own decision. I was pretty decent in tennis and handball. When I said I wanted to stop, they didn't say a word, they said "hey it is whatever you want to do." Then I started playing basketball. They drove me to basketball practice, to the games. So they have been really supportive of my sport career. They come over here every year for like two or three weeks and they love to be here, love to see me play. With the National Team in the summer, they travel wherever I go and try to watch. I grew up in a very close family and it has been great.

As I recall, Pearson suggests success comes from balancing these and other archetypes in your own life. I suspect that's good advice. (I also suspect that you do best in life by playing the cards you are dealt. It's not like Nowitzki could or should just decide to become brutal.)

But in the particular and bizarre game known as being a basketball superhero -- and here being a team leader may differ from being a supporting player -- I am quite certain that rules of the game are tilted heavily in favor of warriors.

And that's where I can't help thinking back to how Dallas was booted from the playoffs in the first round of the playoffs earlier this year. No, it wasn't all Dirk Nowitzki's fault. Yes, Golden State (irony alert, they're called "the Warriors!") was inspired.

But when I was watching those games on TV, I feel like I could see Dirk Nowitzki saying to the Warriors: What are you going to give me? I have this move and that move and this other one, and I'll use whichever one you will let me use. And the Warriors essentially replied that he couldn't have any of those.

And Nowitzki was thrown for a loop. He was not prepared to re-shape that game in his image. He wasn't single-minded in obliterating the obstacles.

Instead he had the wanderer's response. He was open-minded in trying to think of better ways around those obstacles.

That wanderer's approach is perfect in a lot of settings. Who's against learning? It doesn't deliver push-button results, though. It takes time to wander. I will just bet you that if you were to let Dirk Nowitzki replay that series against Golden State right now -- after a summer of replaying that meltdown in his mind -- he would do much better.

But when the clock is ticking and a playoff series is coming to a close, don't you think Mark Cuban and thousands of Maverick fans wish Nowitzki was a little more of a warrior and a little less of a wanderer?

This is not to say that Dirk Nowitzki didn't earn his MVP award. This is not to say that he isn't a magnificent player, and the most skilled player by far on one of the best teams of recent years. But for a few bounces of the ball, and some debatable calls, Nowitzki would have Dwyane Wade's ring on his finger.


I don't know if the Mavericks are serious in their rumored pursuit of Kobe Bryant. And if so, I don't know if they would consider including Dirk Nowitzki in such a deal. But if they ever do consider trading Nowitzki for Bryant? I would have to suspect that it's not because the Mavericks would feel they needed a better scorer, a better teammate, or a bigger star. It would be because they felt they needed a full-time warrior, and whether or not Nowitzki can bring that is still unclear."

Miguelinho - "But if he happens to be right - the rumor says Buss has had enough and will rush this through even if it's not an optimal deal. Would they really do it AGAIN?! This rumor better be crazy. Cause I thought even the dumbest buss in that office learned something from the Shaq deal."

Very few think they're making a bad deal at the time. It wouldn't be that far fetched to believe Buss thinks the Shaq trade was a good one for the team. In his interview, he seemed pretty focused on getting something back for Kobe, including if they had to do a sign-and-trade. I don't see the wisdom in thinking that "getting nothing in return for Kobe and letting him walk" would be such a negative thing. What did they have to take on in the Shaq trade? "Pork", in the form of LO and Brian Grant's contracts which are at the heart of the team's inability to improve still to this day. I thought team's liked cap space and the ability to do a transaction to acquire exactly the player they want without having to take on who they don't.

so... for all the crap I get for posting things that interest me, for all the posts that say "I wish you wouldn't post here" and this blog isn't very good because YOU post here...

now I see a duplicate post by 2 different names:

"mitchell is back"

and

"LAKER TRUTH"

wow... I am truly shocked... I never imagined that people were posting here under multiple names and attacking ME under MULTIPLE NAMES... as if there were all these different people who HATED me for simply being a Laker fan... really... I am shocked... Pfft!

Who are the free agent POWER FORWARDS next year?

Thanks for that article Mitchell. It was a great read.

I hope all those who are affected by the fires are safe and my prayers go out to them ! As a Charger fan I'd be proud to represent my love for the Bolts here in Arizona if need be ! GO LAKERS tonight. It might be a good idea to play the regualr rotation for at least a half the next 3 games.

Taos,

Chill out buddy and stop being so paranoid. Mitchell is Laker Truth. Think of it as Clark Kent and Superman. I've posted maybe a half dozen times in the last 3 months, mostly in the last couple weeks, so chill out. Nobody's out to get you. You're not that important. Just enjoy the article I sent (twice). Hopefully you learned something.

Peace.


The only "truth" out of the Vecsey article is basically, if Kobe really wants out and wants out Now, he'll give up his No Waive clause and Go. 99.9% of us know thats not gonna happen, not because it isnt possible, but because its completely STUPID if you're in Kobe's position. Then again, if he did choose that route, why not play for another team, complete your obligation, become a Free Agent and go where you wanna go? Two Words - Max Dollars.. If I had to guess, I'd guess Kobe waits and tries to go to the Bulls or Suns as a FA even though LA can pay him Max Dollars. Any trade the FO tries to make involving Kobe, lets not forget, he has the power to Veto it. Thats the plus side of being loyal to one team for X amount of years.

WHY NOT TRADE KOBE?

The Laker organization has been successful BEFORE Kobe hit the scene and quite sure they will be successful after he leaves the Laker organization. Kobe is not ABOVE the organization nor the game of Basketball.

After 12 years fans are STILL commenting on Kobe's shot selection, Kobe's turnovers, Kobe's selfishness and Kobe 'trusting' his teammates, then there is something OBVIOUSLY wrong. After 12 years in the league and this idiot does not 'trust' his teammates?!!!! Maybe he should play on Pluto!!! Season after season and the SAME comments are being made about Kobe Bryant. It is TIME for a CHANGE it would be beneficial for the organization and Brand as well as for Kobe.

OUT!!!!
The truth

I didn't get a chance to see Larry Turner in action, but part of me wonders what he would have had to do inorder to win a spot on the team...

What, would he have to dominate like Shaq just to boot one of our dispensible bums off the team? In other words, what does a non-guaranteed player have to do to get a spot?

From what I've heard, the guy actually played better than Kwame. I'm not suggesting that we cut Kwame simply because of the reasons pointed out by the other bloggers (his expiring contract is worth something), but we have other players who are highly unlikely to contribute. From the sounds of it, I probably would have cut Karl to keep LT for a few extra days.

What is your opinion?

lakers_sth:

Maybe we Kobe-lovers don't really love Kobe, we just hate Kobe haters. Ever think of that?

If...

They better not...

If we trade Kobe for lesser value...

(add your own crashing sound of destruction here)

Wes

lakertruth...

Interesting article...nice theory but Im of the opinion that anyone that gets to the level of Nowitzki in ANYTHING is pretty singleminded...sure hes gone about it differently from Kobe and Kobe has that extra piece of whatever it is that seperates him from every player in history bar one... but Im not sure I buy the warrior wanderer mentality....as far as Dirk's Golden state series was concerned it was just a bad series for him...the year before didnt he tie up an elimination game in san antonio with a three point play off a determined drive to the basket? didnt Kobe have a terrible finals series against the pistons putting up shots from bad positions all over the floor while the pistons limited him?

Dallas has a team that is good enough to win a championship...that doesnt mean they will...but they are good enough.Their team is built around dirk and what he does.To trade Dirk for Kobe straight up would mean reassembling the team to at least some degree.Teams generally dont do that when they have a team they believe can win.

To them right now Id say the questions surrounding Kobe just dont make it worth it.

Now the guy who wrote the article might not believe dallas can win,and you might not either...but you can bet your a$$ Mark Cuban does and thats all that really matters.


I've been called a Kobe apologist; don't know if I am.

I saw his 81 point game and it was more than entertaining, it was ungodly.

The only thing in my sports-watching history that I've enjoyed more than that was Gibson's homer and the Rams super bowl. Maybe Johnson's baby hook.

Unless this Kobe trade leads directly to a championship why would we trade an entertainer like him?

The ability to bring people an excitement level that is only matched by championships is very rare. Almost unheard of.

Why would we trade away this kind of entertainment?

Basketball isn't a humanitarian endevour; it's entertainment.

Like a lap dance.

Would you trade one nice plump booty for three skinny, saggy ones?

Not me.

Unless it gets us decidedly closer to a ring, I'm not going to pay to watch 3 players do what I've seen Kobe do single-handedly.

Wes

>>>No offense, but if I was the GM, I would cut Sasha and Cook and would
>>>keep Coby Karl and Larry Turner.

Thank goodness Eagleboy isn't the GM.

mitchell

" I've [mitchell] posted maybe a half dozen times in the last 3 months, mostly in the last couple weeks, so chill out. Nobody's out to get you [tao]. You're not that important. Just enjoy the article I sent (twice). Hopefully you learned something."

mitchell it's nice having you back....NOT.

btw, you're not that important either.

also, have you been in hiding because kobe's an embarassement?

finally, you should be happy because your boys KLBeast and Gunner have been banned from the blog.

HAB,

>>>I agree with a lot of what you say about Kwame. He is a much better
>>>defender than Mihm, and Lakers have a better record with Kwame
>>> starting.

No they don't. I disproved that theory. With the same other 13 players, the
team performed best with Mihm starting and Kwame not playing at all.

Do you think they're going to preempt the game for fire coverage?

Wes

'Like a lap dance.

Would you trade one nice plump booty for three skinny, saggy ones?'

I'll keep it simple Wes...if the plump booty dont wanna dance...you take what you can get.

Don't trade me!

So what did Gunner and KL do to get banned?

I don't think I'd ban them. Yes their arguments get frustrating and irritating, but they did put a lot of their sweat and (tears? no...blood? no. spittle!) into the blog...

Tough call...

It's like the transformation of God between the Old and New Testament. Right...he had to chill out and stop killing everyone because pretty soon everyone would be dead and the old man himself would vanish like the pagan gods of old because no one was left to remember his name.

What was my point?

I forget, but...

Wes

Staples 24,

>>>Who are the free agent POWER FORWARDS next year?

Unrestricted:
Antawn Jamison
Eduardo Najera
Ronny Turiaf
Stromile Swift
Pat Garrity
Shavlik Randolph
Kurt Thomas

Restricted:
Josh Smith (or is he a SF?)
Ryan Gomes
Walter Herrmann
Craig Smith
Nenad Krstic

Also, these PFs could opt out if they want to:
Elton Brand
Tim Duncan
Jermaine O'Neal
Juwan Howard
Shawn Marion
Raef LaFrentz
Kenny Thomas

That's about it.

trio,

"Is it not a Hater who has his head on Kobe's A$$? Didn't you is the one that smell the stink in Kobe's A$$? All you smell and see are the dirt in Kobe. That what your arguments always, Kobe do this - Kobe do that..."

You are a complete and utter moron, not to mention dumbass.

I never said I was a Kobe hater. I was talking about the Laker's Defense. If you noticed any of my other previous posts other than my very last three words, than you would notice in to what reference I was making the comments about Kobe's D. But just like typical Kobe_Apologists, you turn this into an argument NOTHING about basketball.

you failed to know the point that Kobe has said that he focuses on Offense more than defense because he has to "pick up" everyone else. This is not refutable. When I made that list of players I was showing how in those games, Kobe should have focused on D rather than trying to out score his opponent. His worth would have been better served guarding the team's other best player. DUH.

Just like HAB said. If Kobe is all about offense and the sacrifice of D, than what's the point?

Again, I retierate. It takes one guy to score, but 5 people to play defense. If he is clearly the team's best defender than he should be guarding the other team's best player. Simple as that. If you don't do that, you automatically create a mismatch.

But since you focus on the "kobe hater" red herring of argument, than whatever I just said probably didnt resonate through your thick skull.

moron.

"After 12 years fans are STILL commenting on Kobe's shot selection, Kobe's turnovers, Kobe's selfishness and Kobe 'trusting' his teammates, then there is something OBVIOUSLY wrong. After 12 years in the league and this idiot does not 'trust' his teammates?!!!! Maybe he should play on Pluto!!! Season after season and the SAME comments are being made about Kobe Bryant. It is TIME for a CHANGE it would be beneficial for the organization and Brand as well as for Kobe."

Its because most people became fans in 2001 or 2002. They dont know that Kobe has been drama since Day 1. Anybody remember the Kobe airballs in the playoffs? The Kobe ball hogging. The Kobe brat. The Kobe rape trial.

Who has more drama? Ron Artest or Kobe? TO or Kobe? Truth is, Kobe is on par with any of those guys, and they all have been moved around multiple teams. On a veteran laiden team where Hall of Famers like Shaq and playoff vets like Horry held the team, Kobe's drama was hidden, but now that he's by himself, he is clearly being exposed for what he is. A great player, but just as equally extreme in drama.

I seriously don't know how any of you guys can root for him. Sure I root for him to make shots to help the Lakers win. But its REALLY hard especially now.

Kiwi,
"if the plump booty dont wanna dance...you take what you can get."

What are you trying to say, there, Kiwi? I guess you're referring to Jerry Buss' latest liaisons.

IT'S ALL OUR FAULT - REALLY!

I just saw an article headlining how excited Kevin Garnett is about the upcoming season. That made me really upset because of the things Garnett said about the Laker organization and I found myself wishing for the Celtics to fail miserably.

Then, reason came back to me. I couldn't blame Garnett for making the decision he made. He did what he did because he honestly felt the Lakers front office was a mess. He got that impression from Kobe's summertime rant. So, then I got really upset at Kobe for being a selfish punk and not thinking before he spoke.

Then, reason came back to me. I couldn't blame Kobe for his rant because he had a legitimate reason to be upset. The Lakers had just gotten kicked from the first round of the playoffs (again) by the Suns (again). There was no reason to believe the team was going to be good enough to compete for a title anytime soon. And that was because the front office failed to do its job. So, then I got fed up with the Busses, Kupchak, PJ, the whole lot of them for driving the Lakers into the ground.

Then, reason came back to me. I couldn't blame the front office for the moves they made. Buss is an owner of a business, and the Lakers are, to him, a business. As a businessman, his interest is in making a return on his investment. So, I could see why he stuck with Kobe in the Kobe/Shaq debate and why he didn't want to blow up the team and start from scratch after 2004. He did it because he knew Los Angeles fans, for the most part, want an entertaining product. They don't care if they don't win, they just want to be entertained. Think that's not true? Explain the record season ticket prices. So, then I got pissed off at LA, my home, for being superficial and fairweather fans.

And, interestingly enough, that was where the train ride of reason stopped. I think LA fans (not all of us, because clearly the ones on this board only care about the Lakers winning) for the most part will pay to see drama, but not to see basketball. So, it doesn't surprise me that Jerry Buss and crew make choices that seem perplexing from a basketball perspective, but completely reasonable from a marketing perspective. And, it doesn't surprise me that Kobe (a basketball purist) gets frustrated and blows up at the most unfortunate time. And, it doesn't surprise me that other players see this team and think to themselves, "I don't want to be a part of all that..."

We can pass the buck all we want, but LA has been regarded as superficial for a long time. I think it's only fair that we as a city take our share of the blame in this whole mess.

Wes,
"Would you trade one nice plump booty for three skinny, saggy ones?
Not me"

LOL. Depends on the # of drinks.

Kiwi,
Good points, but mentioning Kobe's performance against Detriot, and its five potential all-stars, in the NBA finals with Dirk's first round performance in possibly the biggest choke job in NBA history, is not really a fair comparison. By the way, Kobe has three rings.
"if the plump booty dont wanna dance...you take what you can get."
The plump booty always wants to dance, just not with you. Kobe haters alway misplace the blame.


Ghost of KayEl,
Taos, I know that's you. Stop messin' around. Are KL and Gunner seriously banned or are you teasing me? That makes no sense. Why would a Kobe hater (AK) ban fellow Kobe haters?


Mitchell

Well Written, Well Said, Well Done Charles S.

With Odom out for the season's opener I would trade Bynum and Farmar for solid help at the 4 spot. I think Sasha can hold the back-up PG duties until JC is ready.

Wes:

I don't know about sweat and blood. More like voltage... and possibly engine oil?

Kiwi:

|I'm with you on that. Don't you hate it when someone tries to use pop / armchair psychology to legitimize some half-baked argument?

SMUSH WATCH
Smush did not play at all tonight. It will be very interesting to see if Pat Riley finds any use for him.

The Lakers made good decisions not wasting anymore time this preseason by cutting those players. Time to cut Karl and move on with practice.

Check out LA Sports news at www.laballtalk.com

Laker truth

Im guessing you dont do a lot of dancing but you definitely do your share of twisting...how about I say Kobe was playing with 3 other future hall of famers in that series with umpteen all star appearances between them...but that wouldnt tell the full story now would it?

The point still stands any great player can have a bad playoff series the fact that kobe has three rings only illustrates my point and the fact I was using him as an example of excellence and saying he's got something that only one other player in history had would suggest Im not a kobe hater.I dont think AK is either...women might dig melodrama Mitchell but they dont like oversensitivity..i'll give you that much for free but the rest you'll have to work out yourself...enjoy them saggin behinds in the meantime

I'll put it in terms you can relate to...if kobe doesnt want to be a laker then the organisation doesnt have much choice but to trade him

The Lakers do have a choice about Kobe. The Lakers could just go with Kobe until he opts out. At that time the Lakers will have 21 million dollars to play with without making a trade.

mike

Mcgarnagle I honestly dont know how to respond...I cant help but feel that somehow you are taking a pop at me...

this is a trade that's not bad - creative too for all parties. Lakers would have a rather large line up though and get the superstar they want and ship Kobe to the East.

trade scenario. Kobe to the east. JO to Lakers plus other stuff - good young players each w/ short contracts who will hussle the way Phil wants.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~3002~2760~615~351~3031~2986~165~1717~2772~2782~739&teams=18~16~13~13~18~13~16~11~11~13~11~16&te=&cash=

The Lake-Show,

Hey! cool down dude!! What the heck? You are talking about Kobe's D.. As what MH said: You are questioning a 7 time all nba defensive selections defense.. Don't ask to much from the Guy.. He played Offense and Defense(the league recognized this) not just last season. Why focus on Kobe? You say so, it takes 5 to play defense. I agree with that.. But there are obvious players in lakers Team that can't play defense, then why not attacking them instead of Kobe? Please enlighten me..


Mike

In theory yes and depending on how confident you are that we can pull quality free agents and the right guy will be around then it might not be a bad plan.

But we also have yet to see how destructive Kobe's presence becomes...I think people feel he's so driven and professional that he will play just the same as long as hes playing for the team...but when genuine enthusiasm is gone its hard to do anything to the same level and theres already evidence that little pieces of leadership have fallen by the wayside.At worst if we get off to a bad start and things dont pick up I think there will be some serious trouble.

Mike-

While I'm not in favor of making a bad deal just to "do something" with Kobe, remember that losing his salary isn't the same as having 21 mil to play with under the cap. A lot depends on what they do between now and then in terms of other salary obligations. They do, though have the opportunity to clear out a ton of room if Kobe opts out and they don't resign LO.

BK

I hope Kobe thought there was an extra second or two on the clock. Otherwise, I don't know why he didn't pull up at around 15 feet, as opposed to going for a twisting dunk with time expiring. That's cutting it awfully close for something pretty.

AK

To add to BK's point...it's a different league now. Now adays, the team has the edge on their own stars...remember that they can always offer more than anyone else. No more steals like Shaq where we steal him from under the Magic by offerring more money period.

I've said it many times. Assuming he hangs onto the ball, Kwame's actually a better passer than he often gets credit. He's moved the ball around nicely on a few possessions.

AK

Kwame's showing game right now. Jumping for boards and battling in the paint.

Kwame sent Boozer the other way with that big body.

mike

It's pre season, but it's late in the pre season. If this were a group of proven veterans, you wouldn't be concerned.

Getting booed in Anaheim? Not good.


lol, I thought the chat was during the game.

I actually liked that lineup. Just needed marinating. But it was a good defensive lineup on paper.

I have gone on record as saying Kobe should never be traded. I still believe that and always will. I'm a life long Keep Kobe Bandwagon guy. If it's inevitable, how about the following Kobe and (fill in the blank) for Nowitzki and Jason Terry. Or Kobe, Kwame and Farmar to Phoenix for Marion, Barbosa, Diaw and the Suns rights to the Hawks first pick in the 08 draft. The latter really has some potential. Gives the Suns the cold blooded killer to go along with Nash. Can you imagine a core of Nash, Stoudemeier and Kobe? It gives them a big, defensive presence in the post to give Stoudemeier a breather, and gives Nash an adequate back-up.

Now for our part - how about a line up of
Barbosa - Fisher - Crittendon PG
Marion - Walton - Vujacic SG
Odom - Evans -
Diaw - Turiaf - Cook PF
Bynum - Mihm C

Damn, no whitey on the floor for the Lakers. We look a little more athletic!

Kiwi,

"I'll put it in terms you can relate to...if kobe doesnt want to be a laker then the organisation doesnt have much choice but to trade him"

You seem too insightful to be so naive. Back when Magic demanded a trade, was he really saying "I don't want to be a Laker"? I guess if you were the GM in the 80's, you would've traded Magic, rather than understanding Magic's wishes, andfiring his coach. Throughout the summer, despite Kobe's tirades, he has consistently maintained that he wants to win rings with the Lakers. I'l put it in terms you can relate to...if your superstar demands a trade (i.e. Paul Pierce PRE Ray Allen), you do NOT trade him, you ACCOMODATE his wishes.

Both Kwame and BYnum have looked good tonight. If they could co exist at 4 & 5, as orginally envisioned, this could get exciting.

Offensively, Kwam can pass but, when they play him for the pass, he doesn't have a "go to" move.

It really hurts when our shot doesn't go down, cause we can't play D worth a lick lol.

I agree Vman. I think Kwame needs to learn to dunk anything and everything. That can be his go to move lol.

Why did they say on ESPN that they thought Kobe would be traded before the season starts? Do they know something they're not telling? (doubtful)
If Kobe is going to opt out anyway in '09, we better get the best deal we can now. He's got a lot of mileage on those knees.
If he gets a major injury, we're really up the creek. I don't think we need to trade him, but if he's gone anyway after next season, maybe we should think ahead.
As much as we want to dream, we're not going to the NBA finals in the next two seasons. Imagine this lineup down the road: Bynum, Love, Mayo, Farmar & Crit.


It's so painful to look our team playing even if it's only preseason. They look like garbage, no offense no defense. First unit like like they just met after long summer. Turning TV off

The team fed off of Kobe's energy tonight and he played like a man that's about to be gone.

I hate to say thus, but Kobe's got to go. He is so untied to this team. The Lakers looked pathetic tonight. Can't believ i bought the package to watch this.

LAKER TRUTH:
What would accomodate Kobe's wishes? Odom, Bynum + filler for J O'Neal? the same for S. Marion?
Either way we still don't get out of the 2nd round and forfeit our future center too (Bynum).

I think the FO has made up their mind. They're staying the course and rebuilding for the future.
They're really the only ones with a vote.

Lakersville, USA…
By Michael C. Teniente

Preseason edition-2:

I like Farmar but he seems to be too wild when he plays with the other kids. When he came into the game in the 3rd quarter he seemed to play with some control. I think playing with Kobe and Kwame kind of slowed him down and he play under control.

I like the way Kwame Brown played. He looked active and it makes all the difference in the world. Here’s why. The triangle is a dynamic offense. What that means is this: The triangle is like a video game. It has answer for whatever the opponent tries to do. But its flaw is when one of the players stalls the action. This is why Kwame needs to move around.

I asked Kwame to look at film and to be honest with himself and ask this question: Are you reading and making the proper reactions? You see when Kobe is on one side of the lane and has 3 players watching him. And Kwame has one player on the other side of the lane. If Kwame dives he takes his man to the other side of the lane, too. That would be 4 players on one side. That would leave the back door open. When Kwame dives he’s setting the dynamics of the offense in motion. Once Kwame set that dynamic in motion then the other Lakers’ player is able to go back door because Kwame dynamic creates another dynamic. That’s why movement is so important.

If Kwame reads and reacts then it creates motion in the offense. To me the facilitator is not the one who creates. Creation comes from player movement. The facilitator is the one who reads what’s going on and makes the appropriate play. That’s why it’s important for Kwame to stay active even if he doesn’t get the ball. Staying active creates opportunities for everyone else.

We outscored the Jazz, in the 3rd quarter, by 7-points even though we started a rookie at point guard. Kwame was aggressive and picked up a couple of fouls on Boozer. Had that been the 1st quarter that would have been exceptional.

Kwame’s mistake is this: He got called for traveling when he had Boozer leaning back on the first bump. Kwame gathers himself and re-grips the ball and bumps into Boozer, again, and is called for traveling. The mistake is the second move. Kwame, it’s one move and up. Kwame is still thinking like he’s in high school. Kwame, a lot of times, for a guy like you, it’s all about beating the guy to the sky. Just straight up. When you had Boozer the first time, you should have just went up with that little hook shot you have. One move/fake/bump and up, Kwame. You’re first step and leaping ability is your ticket. Beat the guy to the sky.

Radmanovic needs to move to find his spots. Radmanovic is suffering from what Glenn Rice suffered from when he was here. Rad…you have to move. When you Kwame move…you move off of that.

Kobe is trying. That’s what it looks like to me. But with so many players, like Odom and Walton not playing…it’s kind of hard to expect Kobe to look good. He mentioned it in his interview the other day. It’s preseason and he’s experimenting. Don’t read too much into what it looks like.

mike

Now I have to watch Cane. The new show on CBS. Suger is the new oil, you know.

mike

Aloha

Just a few thoughts. At this point i am not to concerned by our pre season. There is a new defesive and offensive systems and a lot of line up experimentation. I will be more interested in the last couple of pre season games when the rotations tighten.

Jordon looks like he is making a case to start. he has been the bright spot in the last 2 games.

Looks Like Ronny will get at least 4 starts at PF while Lamar sits out, I am looking forward to that.

For all of those calling on the FO to trade Kobe now, thats crazy. Because of his no trade clause we just wouldnt get alot for him and after the Shaq trade I am not anxious to repeat it. As of now only Dallas, Chicago and the Suns are on his list. After this season at least two of them and quite possibly all 3 will be again disapointed. You get more value when you have several teams bidding(unless you are Kevin Mchale). Plus Chicago and the Suns could not afford to give up a big , this late in the pre season. Plus we will have a better idea of what we WANT in return. With the progress some of the young guys are making, it could change what we might need in a year.

Oh and all the guys down on Luke. He only played a few minutes last game and not at all tonight, and we lost big both nights, just a thought.

MH

Is it me or the 1st unit has no chemistry. Maybe we are missing Odom out there than we think..... The 2nd unit looks good. If Odom is back my 2nd unit Would be : Bynum, Vlad, Walton, Evans, Farmar. This is ofcourse under Pj's current rotations.

Night guys....

Charles

watching kobe on the bench tonight was almost painful. For instance, after the nice drive by fisher in which he got the three point play; there was kobe sitting while the other guy stood in celebration of a great play. this has to stop, he either needs to go or find some gumption to pretend like he cares.

i'm really speechless...why does this have to happen?

>>>With Odom out for the season's opener I would trade Bynum and Farmar for solid help at the 4 spot. I think Sasha can hold the back-up PG duties until JC is ready.

Spoken like the guy who thought the Butler for Kwame trade was a good idea.

At this point, I'd put the odds at 70-30 that Kobe is gone by next summer at the latest. If you're going to lose Kobe,
you don't throw away your two most promising young players. If you could get an all-star PF for Bynum and Farmar,
maybe, but their salaries don't add up to anyone at the all-star level, even if their teams were willing to trade them.

And while I'll agree with you that Sasha is looking much more like an NBA player out there, I'll have to add that Farmar
is the only one playing decent defense against good PGs. Baron Davis and Deron WIlliams absolutely schooled Derek
Fisher or Crittendon whenever they faced them.

Kobe said the other day that it's a long season and he wasn't going to get hurt by trying to impress in the preseason. Or something like that. Don't read too much into what it looks like.

mike

"Laker Truth" posts: "Hopefully you learned something"

Yeah, I learned that it takes you at least two aliases to say the same thing. WHY IS THAT?

Chill out? How about the word LAME? Does that work for you? Are you Rupert Pupkin posting messages back and forth to yourself under various aliases from your mom's basement?

No wonder this blog sucks lately. You can't say anything of value without "offending" someone, the blog "dies" for hours at a time because the LAT won't pay somebody $5 bucks an hour to clear posts so they can actually be seen on the board, then you have list mania where the same list is posted over and over, also old articles are posted and various aliases appear and compliment the poster on finding said old article...

What is this? A blog or an agenda? I came to this blog because it SEEMED there were people here interested in talking about the Lakers yet everytime I attempt to do this all these messages start appearing, "blah, blah, blah, I used to post here all the time, now all these horrible people post here and blah, blah, blah." Then you have the multiple alias guys apparently writing messages AND RESPONDING to themselves...

LOL! How to ruin a blog 101... again, this is for FANS of the Lakers, not an AGENDA BASED DISCUSSION...

Our team played very sloppy tonight with all the turnovers, terrible spacing on offense, poor shooting and weak defense. Kobe was off and had turnovers but at least was active on both ends of the floor. I really don't like Cook or Radmanovic because they're basically the same type of player that makes some threes but that's about it. Both are pathetic defensively, weak rebounders, sloppy passers and commit stupid fouls. Free throw shooting was also horrible tonight. I still see the same trend from last year in that they're still not getting Andrew the ball enough especially when he battles for good position only to have someone take a jump shot. The proof is Andrew's shooting percentage this preseason. It's better for Andrew to take the high percentage shot than for others to jack up a bunch of jump shots. I just don't understand it. They seem to go to Kwame quite a bit and all he does is fumble it or goes to his clumsy low post move. Despite my venting, I still have faith in our team to get it together come time for the real season. Go Lakers!!! Hulk Smash, nuff said!!!

Mitchell =Kobe's Agent,
"Throughout the summer, despite Kobe's tirades, he has consistently maintained that he wants to win rings with the Lakers. I'l put it in terms you can relate to...if your superstar demands a trade (i.e. Paul Pierce PRE Ray Allen), you do NOT trade him, you ACCOMODATE his wishes. "

DIFFERENCE, PAUL NEVER WENT ON RADIO ACTING A FOOL LIKE OLD KOBIATCH DID!

Mike T,

>>>The Lakers do have a choice about Kobe. The Lakers could just go with Kobe until he opts out. At that time the Lakers will have 21 million
>>>dollars to play with without making a trade.

expiring contract is not the same as cap space. As of this minute, if the Lakers didn't sign any new contracts that ran longer than the next
two years, and they didn't re-sign Lamar Odom, Ronny Turiaf or any of the other expiring contracts, they would have $27,015,892. That
also includes only resigning Bynum for his one year minimum qualifying offer. So they would have about 30 million free. But to have that
30 million free, they'd have to renounce bird rights on everyone other than Bynum.

The only problem is, it's exceedingly rare for players to leave their current teams for less money nowadays. I'm sure you think that
LeBron will leave Cleveland, even though he grew up in Akron, so basically he's playing for his home-town team. I'm sure you think
that Wade would leave Miami, even though they could pay him more money and for longer. It's just not very likely. So with your 30
million of cap space, you could re-sign Lamar, and maybe sign one more player at his level and one more lesser player at just over
the MLE. That's the most likely scenario.

So in the most likely scenario, you're throwing two years of team development away so that you can cash in on Kobe's popularity
for awhile and bow out early in the playoffs.

If Dallas or Phoenix or Chicago were willing, I'd prefer to go the route of trading Kobe now and starting a lineup of Farmar, Crittendon,
Deng, Tyrus Thomas and Bynum. Give the older guys backup minutes and let the young guys build chemistry for the team going
forward. They'd be ragged this year, but they would get lots of court time together and would improve. And next year they'd
improve more.

The best way to rebuild is to tear down first.

Ghost of Kobe,
"i also suspect KL and Gunner have been banned from the blog by the Gods...
Serves them right."

GUNNER AINT GOING NO WHERE! JUST LIKE KOBIATCH AINT NO MICHAEL JORDAN!!!

December 15 is the big date for the Lakers. That's the date that players signed to new contracts (or certain other conditions) can be traded. That's the first date that realistic trades can be made with many teams - by that point Kobe should be frustrated enough unless he starts playing consistently at his peak level. He should be frustrated enough to expand his trade list, and there should be at least one good team that is underperforming just enough to give up fair value for Kobe.

Note that fair value won't come just from current players - there will have to be draft picks - plural. Some team will gamble that all their firsts will be late in the first round with Kobe, and give up 2-3 of them for Kobe - because we know that no team will give up equivalent current talent.

And for anybody who says that those picks won't be worth a lot - well, likely so, but that's why desperate teams will make the deals - and sometimes, those firsts will be valuable - either because good players drop in the draft, or because a team underperforms (injuries do happen, after all). But unless a team gives up multiple good young players for Kobe, multiple firsts is a must.

I watched the game against the Jazz tonight and man, did the Lakers look bad. I'm no expert on body language but Kobe just looked like he didn't care. I think he's already
moved on mentally and is playing for another team right now in his head. They need to trade him to ATL (Horford, Williams, Johnson and a pick), Phil will still be around to coach.
They've got to shoot for getting Mayo in the 08' draft, he knows the triangle and could bring a little bit of the star power they're losing when Kobe leaves. Right now this looks the same team from last year with a less than enthusiastic Kobe leading them.

Mike T.

>Lakersville, USA…
>By Michael C. Teniente

>Preseason edition-2:

You are awesome.. I like what you wrote.. You indeed the Blog....

DESTINATION: ATLANTA

"watching kobe on the bench tonight was almost painful. For instance, after the nice drive by fisher in which he got the three point play; there was kobe sitting while the other guy stood in celebration of a great play. this has to stop, he either needs to go or find some gumption to pretend like he cares."

I agree. I can't stand looking at Kobe's face like that. I would rather see him excel in another team and let the Lakers move on without him. Two years is way too long to see Kobe like that.

Kobe is pulling down the Lakers energy. Let's see if this stop after the pre season.

Kwame had SOME energy, but why can't Kwame jump any higher?

If Kobe gets traded, it is important that it comes with a young true PF. Like Al Horford and Joe Johnson would be nice! If KOBE TRULY WANTS OUT OF LA HE SHOULD EXPAND HIS CHOICES OF DESTINATION.

BYNUM
HORFORD
ODOM
JOHNSON
CRITTENTON

Can Kobe compete with a line up of

Pachuila
Marvin Williams
Josh Smith
Kobe Bryant
Josh Childress

Shelden Williams
Lrenzen Wright
Acie Law
Speedy Caxton
Tyron Lue

http://www.nba.com/hawks/

http://www.nba.com/hawks/feature/Joshes_Feature_Story_101907.html

Mavs and Bulls both don't have the PF we need and SG to replace KOBE. Hawks have the two JOSHES ready to play with KOBE they form a trio?

MITCH, CALL the HUMAN HIGLIGHT DOMINIQUE WILKINS.

Lakers scoring by quarter:

LA Lakers 14 19 29 19

29 points in the 3rd quarter. Hey that's the quarter Kwame played and he only scored 3-points. And we outscored the Jazz by 7-points.

How does that work?

It's the corn-fed calves...LOL!

mike

Taos,

I'll say it again, chill out buddy. Relax and stop hating. Your hate for Kobe is eating you up. Calm down, smell the roses, and let's discuss the Lakers.

Peace.

Mitchell

Mike T,

Check this out..

http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2007/10/23/center-stage-kwames/

"And Brown has to play because he is by far the best defender of the three, and that’s what was supposed to be Jackson’s main criterion as far as the battle for playing time."

"It's the corn-fed calves...LOL"

We have BIGGER PROBLEMS AT HAND than Kwame who is good as gone. we all should STOP analyzing Kwame.

I don't like the look of KOBE"S face and his body language during games. HE IS DEFINTELY NOT STRAPPING IT UP!

I liked the game because the closes thing to our starting unit was in the 3rd quarter and we won the quarter by 7-points.

mike

lou73

Dude, he wont play for Atlanta. No trade clause, remember?

MH

WHERE IS MITCHELL? CLAP, CLAP....CLAP, CLAP, CLAP

WHERE IS MITCHELL?
"I'll say it again, chill out buddy. Relax and stop hating. Your hate for Kobe is eating you up. Calm down, smell the roses, and let's discuss the Lakers."

AFTER YOUR MASTER EMBARASSED YOU THIS SUMMER, YOU WENT MISSING IN ACTION. NOW, YOU'RE BACK WORKING THOSE PHONES AGAIN AS KOBIATCH'S AGENT.

WELL MITCHELL WITH YOU IT AINT ABOUT THE LAKERS. DON'T EVEN TRY TO FRONT. IT'S ALL KOBIATCH!!!!

THE BALL HOG DOESN'T EVEN CHEER FOR HIS PLAYERS WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING GOOD. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, KOBE AINT NO TEAM LEADER, KOBE AINT NO MICHAEL JORDAN, AND KOBIATCH AINT GOING TO WIN ANOTHER RING WITH OUT SHAQ "I'M YOUR DADDY" HELPING HIM.

PERIOD!

Kobe put in the right amount of engery in the 3rd quarter. He said it's a long season and he's pacing himself. Why should he get hurt in the preseason?

mike

"Kobe said the other day that it's a long season and he wasn't going to get hurt by trying to impress in the preseason. Or something like that. Don't read too much into what it looks like."

It's one thing to not impress. But the SAD LOOK on Kobe's face is like can't wait to be gone. Have we seen the farewell look from Kobe?

"But the SAD LOOK on Kobe's face is like can't wait to be gone."

If Kobe is gone and wants to be gone then wouldn't he have a happy look on his face? With all these fires going on and Walton's family being effected...maybe he worried for his teammate. Looks are decieving.

If he's traded he traded. So what! Until he's actually traded...why should we worry about it?

mike

IT"S TIME TO REBUILD! LET KOBE GO! I DON'T WANT KOBE TO SUFFER LIKE THIS, NOT IN HIS PRIME!

 
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