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About that depth chart

The Lakers will kick off the season Monday with a GM under fire (though perhaps more than he deserves?), a star player (more powerful than Arte Moreno!) who seems to reside in various states of gruntle, dis or otherwise, a No. 2 who most believe is best suited to be a Swiss Army No. 3 ... and not much else, at least according to Tony Mejia of CBS Sportsline.com. 

It's reasonable to take the sort of positional rankings Mejia does with a grain of salt.  You can always argue about where a guy might fit onto a list, and no question that a team is often more than the sum of its parts (see first half, '06-07).  Certain players fill certain roles that can help a team thrive, their relative talents vs. the rest of the league notwithstanding.  But there's no arguing that, despite an improvement at point guard, the Lakers are still a top-heavy and talent-thin bunch relative to other NBA teams with dreams of big things. 

Click below for the rankings, and where the Lakers fit in.

Here's the disclaimer from Mejia, so you understand where he's coming from:

"Players are ranked in the order of their projected impact on the coming season. Upside is taken into account, but only for the next 12 months.  Whether you're a bargain or a bad contract doesn't matter."

Let's start with the no-brainer:

Shooting guard: Kobe Bryant, No. 1. 

Point guard:  Derek Fisher, honorable mention.  I'm among those who is happy to see Fish back, but it's hard to say that if you went team to team around the league that you'd take him over most of the other options.  He'll have an impact, for sure, and has obvious meaning to a team like the Lakers, but he's not in the neighborhood of a top-tier NBA PG.

Small forward: Luke Walton, Vlad Radmanovic, honorable mention:  Can't say this is a surprise, either.  Like Fish, Walton has value that is particular to the Lakers, but we're not talking about an elite small forward here.  On a better team, he's a rotation guy.  First or second off the bench, making valuable contributions.  As for Vlad Rad, "honorable mention" would be an improvement on his performance from last season, so if he can hit those heights, it'll make a difference (seriously, any contribution from the guy likely improves the Lakers, simply because they received nothing from him last year). 

Power forward: Lamar Odom, 10, Brian Cook, honorable mention.  L.O.'s a warrior, and we all know what he can do.  It's just a question of health and consistency.  It seems like every sentence about him begins with "if."  But odds are he'll start the season in L.A., so he's our "if," right?

Center:  Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, honorable mention.  So if you put three guys together in the H.M. category, that makes one top 10 center, right?  Bynum is still all potential, Kwame is still all one dimensional (defense -- an important dimension, for sure), Mihm is still all question marks.  This is a position that could turn into a strength for the Lakers, but it could also be a hole.  It'll help, too, if Brown and Mihm can successfully contribute some minutes at the four.

-- BK 

 
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FRIDAYSEPTEMBER 28, 2007 DAY 3 SHAWN MARION BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY PHOENIX.
MITCH VOWS TO ENLIST 24 AS SECRET AGENT TO GET IT DONE. PARADE FOLLOWS IN
JUNE FOR 2008 NBA TITLE WINNING LAKERS AND MVP KOBE BRYANT
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TODAY: (FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 28 2007) is dedicated to: MITCH KUPCHAK
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LAKER TOM, SONNY BELFAST, JOREMA, TALIQ, DAVID WHANG, THA SHOW, FAITH, BOB
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Get it done Mitch, get it done fast
Not signing the Matrix could mean your @ss
Get it done Mitch and not just for us
Get it done Mitch
You’re running out of trust
Get it done Mitch, I’m not taking sides
Get it done Mitch
Damn, have you no pride
You had a chance to get Jason the Kid
But Jim Buss said no and you ran and hid
You Once played with legends, Like Kareem and Magic
Now Jim Buss gives you orders
Man that’s so damn tragic
I know you wanted to sign the great KG
But couldn’t be cause of that addict, yeah you jimmy
Just tell JimMY to say no to drugs
Then sign The Matrix and give him a hug
Take young Bynum and ship his @ss
Send a jet so JO can get here fast
Get it done Mitch, This is our last cry
If you don’t get it done Mitch
Not Just Kobe will be saying goodbye
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BALLAD OF THE MATRIX
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They call him the Matrix this I will tell
Because he can play all 5 positions so well
He glides down the floor and his foes he does mock
Just waiting for Nash to feed him the rock.
He jams with authority and knocks down the J
And before you know it he’s headed the other way
His D is terrific he’ll take you to school
If you blink for a minute you’ll look like a fool
One day the mighty Matrix looked at the sky
And from his mouth came this plaintive cry
Nash is a great one Oh Lord this I see
But he never wins titles just phony MVP’s
Before I die and am laid down to rest
Dear Lord let me play with Kobe he’s the Best
And the Lord said young Shawn I will grant your Prayer
And in a twinkling of an eye a Sun was a Laker
Mitch cried for joy and Jim gave up the crack
Jerry retook his Office the Lakers were Back
They won 3 more titles and Kobe won 3 MVP’s
Then Kobe retired and handed Bynum the Keys

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Maurice Evans, Lamar Odom, Derek Fisher, Luke Walton, Brian Cook, KOBE FROM MANILAS
Kwame Brown, Andrew Bynum, Coby Karl, Chris Mihm, Sasha Vujacic
Jordan Farmar, Jarvis Critterton, JERMAINE ONEAL???, Larry Fulcher

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WE ARE THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS THE WINNERS OF 14 NBA TITLES
THE HOME OF WILT, KAREEM, GEORGE MIKAN, SHAQ, MAGIC, KOBE,
ELGIN BAYLOR, JERRY WEST, PAT RILEY, JAMES WORTHY, SILK
COACHED BY THE 9 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON ANDAND
NO ONE AND NOTHING WILL EVER DIVIDE OR CONQUER
LAKERS TODAY LAKERS TOMORROW LAKERS FOREVER

SASHA BREAKOUT BANDWAGON
(1) Faith (2) LongimeLakerFan


does that mean break out in pimples? haha no one is more annoying that Sasha and the "sasha" what me face.

Got a good laugh thanks.

"SELL THE LAKERS TO AEG"

Dodgers=Fox
Angels=Disney
Cubs=Tribune

Mamba 24

"9 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON ANDAND"

I've always wanted to ask, what does ANDAND MEANMEAN?

is Mamba24 for real ? Damn !!

Jorema,

Seriously, you guys need to stop hating Shaq. Shaq delivered us 3 NBA titles..and if you cant realize this than you are a fool. Acutally..ALL YOU SHAQ HATERS ARE FOOLS.

You are still obsessed over a guy who won a title on another team. He doesnt care what happens in LA.

And seriously..remind me how Shaq and Kobe are different that Shaq deserves hate but Kobe doesnt? Shaq dissed the FO, and demanded a trade. Isnt Kobe doing the same thing?

If Kobe is traded and walks out the door on the Lakers organization...then I will expect that all you that trash Shaq do the same to Kobe. If you dont (Jorema and other Kobe Lovers) than you will finally reveal yourself as a Kobe fan not a Laker fan.

ALL TOGETHER NOW:
WE WERE THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS THE WINNERS OF 14 NBA TITLES
THE HOME OF WILT, KAREEM, GEORGE MIKAN, SHAQ, MAGIC, KOBE,
ELGIN BAYLOR, JERRY WEST, PAT RILEY, JAMES WORTHY, SILK
COACHED BY THE 9 TIME TITLE WINNER PHIL (9RINGS) JACKSON AND
THE FRONT OFFICE WILL DIVIDE AND CONQUER
LAKERS TODAY LAKERS TOMORROW LAKERS ARE OVER

There - that's more like it.

So Mejia would rather have Raja Bell instead of Michael Finley???Where do these writers come up with this stuff???

Gotta love Mamba24!

Mamba24,

O what the heck..throw me in on the 55-Win bandwagon.

GO LAKERS!

Im in for 55.....Bring em on

MJCMAN32,

Yup Jordan punched teammates (Steve Kerr) he called out management for trading his good friend Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright and when he first met Scottie Pippen he said "Great we drafted a country boy." And upon learning about the triangle offense he said to Phil: "You're not trying to run an equal opportunity offense?" And let's not forget the verbal abuse he put Kwame Brown through that setback Washington a few years til they signed Arenas and that we Lakers fans are dealing with today.

Those guys need to pick up a book like "One Last Shot" or "The Jordan Rules," and learn who Jordan REALLY was. I love Michael Jordan and always tune in to Classic Bulls games on ESPN and NBATV, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore reality and act as if the guy was a saint. Like everyone else he was human with his own flaws.

Michael A,

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.

Mamba24,

Props on the "Ballad of the Matrix." That cracked me up.

""This is the best time of the year," he said, his soft voice heard loudly over the worst of times, outnumbered but not outclassed."

Thanks Mitch for being the voice of reasons. But, most of all thank you for not responding to the many Kobe and Phil criticism. Thanks for your leadership in that regard, I am a Lakerfan that respects you, now go out there and hassle for Marion and Oneal!

Xodus,
"Props on the "Ballad of the Matrix." That cracked me up."

Thanks, glad you liked it.

GOOD MORNING Bloggers!

Yes its a NEW DAY - and on this beautiful 28th of September our front office, in an attempt to erstore us to the glory of our proud Laker heritage does....

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

OK I have a NEW Bandwagon - excuse the long name

Its the "We Are Out in the First Round Again if Kupcake Doesn't Get off His Ass and Do Something" Bandwagon.

Who is realist enough to be with me???????

REPOST

Edwin Gueco,

I guess it depends on your definition of "fan". I don't consider you a fan when you talk like most of you do on here about the Lakers.

As for believeing me to be right, I never said I was right....i just said I don't like how you and others talk. I think I am entitled to that opinion just as you are to yours. Right?

To Ex, Long Time Laker Fan, and any other that didn't like my statement before.....I honestly don't care what you think. You say that I am wrong for not liking your statements and opinions but you treat me the same. By the way, LTLF, for you to put what Mitch has done with the team in the same category as a child killing somebody or a wife cheating on someone shows that you have lost touch with reality. Basketball is a game that professions get paid a lot of money to do for a living and we use as a form of entertainment. It is never life or death or should ever have a great impact on a fans life. Some of you take it way too serious which is seen by your comments on here. I realy wonder how some of you made it through the 1990's after Magic retired. The Lakers NEVER made it to a conference Finals after Magic retired until the arrival of Phil. That was roughly 8-9 years of absence. The way you are acting after 3 years of absence, how did you act then???

For al the negatives you throw my way, you are guilty of the same things if not worse.

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AK - I could quibble with those rankings a bit, but why bother? And yes, I know they're not your rankings. They're relatively close; it's hard to say with some of the guys on the team just how well they're going to play. This team could be really good (still not championship material) or be very mediocre. It's very hard to tell.

The only thing I feel safe in saying is that we'll finish second in the Pacific.

I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION
'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE
GIVE US SHAWN MARION

Whats the latest on Odom and Brown's injury's ? Will both be ready for the season opener ?

Haha, Jay Jay. It never gets old! lol.

As I recall wasn't it Bill Plasche that revealed the "insider" aka "instigator"? Please correct me if I'm wrong...and with the new favorable article on Mitch K...maybe Mitch was the insider? All speculation of course lol.

Go Lakers!

Xodus - no problem. It was a good article. Re: Michael Jordan; you're totally right. I'm pretty sure if we were teammates we'd have thrown down a couple of times. Well, if I was smaller or the same size, when Bill Cartwright told him to zip it or he'd be eating knuckle, Michael pretty much toned it down.

And I don't think he's said anything nasty to Ron Artest after Artest injured his back by throwing him onto the court during a pick-up game. 'Couse, Ron is crazy, I'd leave him alone too.

AK/BK,

When is Media Day and are you fine gentlemen going to be present?

Mamba,
Please sign me up for the "We Are Out in the First Round Again if Kupcake Doesn't Get off His Ass and Do Something" Bandwagon.

(Re-Post)

Since Bill Plaschke decided to be a suck-up instead of a true journalist, here's a transcript of the Kupchak interview that should have taken place:

REPORTER: Mitch, thanks for your time. Jerry Buss called Kevin McHale to jump-start a move to get Kevin Garnett.
MITCH: That's right.
REPORTER: Then what happened?
MITCH: McHale and I talked about what it would take to do the deal.
REPORTER: So what happened?
MITCH: I didn't have the pieces he wanted.
REPORTER: Ok, then Bird talked to you about moving Jermaine O'Neal.
MITCH: Right.
REPORTER: Then what?
MITCH: Bird and I talked about what it would take to do the deal.
REPORTER: So what happened?
MITCH: I didn't have the pieces he wanted.
REPORTER: So where are we with Shawn Marion? He said he'd love to be a Laker.
MITCH: I talked to Phoenix.
REPORTER: Did you have the pieces this time?
MITCH: I did. But Marion wants a contract extension that I'm not prepared to give.
REPORTER: How so?
MITCH: I'm not prepared to make that much of a commitment for the next three years.
REPORTER: Why is that?
MITCH: Well, we might be rebuilding at that point.
REPORTER: You're quoted as saying you want to win now, that Jerry Buss wants another championship.
MITCH: That's right. But I don't have the pieces.
REPORTER: Who's job is it to make sure you have the pieces?
MITCH: Mine.
REPORTER: And you don't have them because....
MITCH: I'm in way over my head here. [starts crying]

lalakerlover -
Odom is ok, however Brown will continue to play soft just like every year in the league...

Breaking Lamar news from TMZ:

http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/28/laker-lamar-odom-dribbles-on-his-chin/

Hint: L.A. Laker Lamar Odom was hanging outside the Ivy restaurant yesterday, when a taut blond walked by...

for those on the "SASHA BREAKOUT BANDWAGON"

Uh oh:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_23470.shtml

...and undrafted rookie Coby Karl and the Lakers have some nice young kids on their squad.

Yes, you read that correctly... Karl's going to be a player. One member of the Laker organization told me earlier this month that he believes Karl will make the roster and likely beat out Sasha Vujacic for playing time. He noted that Karl is just the kind of high IQ player head coach Phil Jackson loves.

BALLAD OF THE MATRIX IS "THE JOINT" !!!!! Almost disrupted my office!!

ok, this is totally off topic but... it's classic! Wrong video for the wrong story for tv station concerning Bills TE Kevin Everett:

http://tinyurl.com/3akhkr

Rick F-

Freaking brilliant!!! Well said.


Rick Friedman-
That was great! LOL. I could actually see Mitch sobbing.

Mamba24,

Yo go boy!!!

Charles

Mamba24

Bynum Breakout Bandwagon: Put me on that list bud.

Xodus,
" I love Michael Jordan and always tune in to Classic Bulls games on ESPN and NBATV, but that doesn't mean you have to ignore reality and act as if the guy was a saint. Like everyone else he was human with his own flaws."

JORDAN MAY HAVE KBIATCH SLAP SOME PLAYERS BUT HE NEVER CHASE THEM OFF THE TEAM OR TOLD MANAGEMENT IT'S EITHER ME OR HIM LIKE KBIATCH DID TO SHAQ. SO, YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO.


MJCMAN32,
"Kobe Bryant is the BEST and hardest working basketball player on the planet ...ALL he wants to do is win!!! ACCEPT IT, You cannot change this no matter how much hate you have towards the man!!!

YOU FORGOT ONE THING. HE WORKS OUT AT 5AM EVERY MORNING TO MAKE SURE HE CAN SCORE A BUNCH OF POINTS TO WIN A 3RD STRAIGHT SCORING TITLE. NOW YOUR KBIATCH LOYALISTS TITLE IS COMPLETE.

>>>By the way, LTLF, for you to put what Mitch has done with the team in the same
>>>category as a child killing somebody or a wife cheating on someone shows that
>>>you have lost touch with reality.

Pardon me, but it was you that tried to make an analogy about treating Lakers employees
like you treat your children. Here's a quote:

>>>Just think if people treated their children the way they are treating this
>>>team right now. They would cheer and support their children when they
>>>are doing something great, but the moment they messed up or did
>>>something they didn't agree with, they would call them names, totally
>>>hurt them and make them feel worthless.

You brought it outside the context of criticizing the team, and I provided some extreme
examples to show that your straw-man argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

First of all, you actually interact with your child, so how you treat them has meaning.
Do you actually think Mitch or Phil or any of the Lakers actually read this blog and base
their actions on it? If so, then it's you that has lost touch with reality. If I had children,
it would be my responsibility to nurture them and help them to learn how to function
in society. It's not my job to teach Mitch how to manage or Phil how to coach. They are
professionals and in the long run their merit will be judged by the body of their work.
And as professionals in a high profile job for a high profile team, a little bit of criticism
comes with the job.

Second, we are all consumers. We buy tickets to Laker games. We buy Lakers t-shirts,
hats, and other products. We pay extra for the special TV channels that show us the games
we can't make it to. Thus we have a right to criticize whatever facet of the team we don't
like. If I buy a car that gets lousy gas mileage, I have a right to say that. If I buy food at
a restaurant and it tastes bad, I have a right to say that. If I feel that the center of
the
Lakers is an overpaid underachiever, I have a right to say that. If the car manufacturer
or the cook or Kwame gets offended, then they should either get a thicker skin or get out
of the business.

To pull it back into the original context: no, Mitch hasn't killed anybody and Phil Jackson
hasn't cheated on his wife. But it is Mitch's JOB to put together as good a team
as possible, and it's Phil's JOB to manage the team as well as possible. If some
blogger here feels that they aren't doing their jobs, then it is perfectly reasonable
for them to suggest that that person should be fired.

Note that in the case of those two guys, I think Phil is doing a great job with what
he's been given, and I think Mitch has done fairly well (I'd give him about a B
to this point - could move up to a B+/A- if Bynum becomes a 15 & 10 guy this
season).

So to respond directly to the first statement of your original blog, we are not "a bunch of
overgrown babies", we are a bunch of dissatisfied consumers. Some are more dissatisfied
than others. Personally, I've said here that I expect it to be at least 2-3 more years
before the Lakers win another championship. More if they lose Kobe. If you're happy just
to watch any old five guys dressed in purple and gold go out and play every year, more
power to you, but dont' get all condescending if not everyone agrees with you.

FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU. FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME.

JERRY BUSS TO KOBE: "F-U"

NBA sources report that both the Jazz/Kirilenko rumor and the Lakers/Odom/Brian Cook deal are long shots at best.

Kobe-lobbying aside, the Lakers appear to feel the deal does little for them (are Shawn Marion and Kobe Bryant enough to make a playoff run further than the first round?) Meanwhile, Miami already owns one trophy gift-wrapped by Jerry Buss, and he doesn't appear eager to help the Suns along with their quest.

Source: East Valley Tribune

Michael A,

"The only thing I feel safe in saying is that we'll finish second in the Pacific."

Wow, I don't think that's a very safe comment at all. Unless they reduced the Pacific to two teams, or maybe you feel the Clippers will be the first to go to the beach.

That was a sad attempt at humor, sorry.

Ex/Mamba24,

I would like to be second on Ex's "We Are Out in the First Round Again if Kupcake Doesn't Get off His Ass and Do Something" Bandwagon.
Thanks.

LeBron In The Spotlight

The 33rd season of Saturday Night Live will premiere tomorrow night with LeBron James taking center stage as host. This will certainly be the biggest role of LeBron's young acting career, but his experience with the ESPY's and Nike commercials will probably make it a smooth transition.

Mamba24

Here is a bandwagon list proposal:

DEREK FISHER WHIPS LAMAR INTO SHAPE BANDWAGON/LAMAR WISE UP BANDWAGON
(open to rephrase accordingly)

I would be on the list of course by default

TaosHum,

I think Coby Karl being around will actually be good for Vujacic. It means if he wants
any minutes, he HAS to produce. But more importantly, I think having a couple of years
in the league, Sasha's going to calm down a bit this year and play up to his level, which
would be a pretty good second string (or very good third string) shooting guard.

Long Time Laker Fan,

Using extreme examples doesn't disprove a point, it simply shows that there are special cases where it doesn't apply. Your extreme example is just that....extreme....not the norm.

I don't think Mitch is reading the blog, which is why i fail to understand the reaosn for your crying on the blog at the extent in which you and others are. What purpose does it meet?

As it relates to your example of a consumer with buying a car, or eating at a restaurant.....if I'm not satisfied with a car, I go to a different dealership and buy a different car. If I'm not happy with a restaurant, i simply leave. I don't stand in the restaurant complaining that they aren't meeting the standards I think they should. If you aren't happy with the Lakers LEAVE!

As it relates to what their jobs are....their foremost job is to do what Jerry Buss tells them to do. Everything else falls under that. Unless you know what he has told them, you have no basis with which to critique their progress in meeting his requirements.

As it relates to my original "crybaby statement" I do not rescind it. As i was taught as a boy, if a name doesn't apply to me, i should be upset when being called it because it doesn't fit me. If you are not a crybaby, then I wasn't talkig to you. I NEVER directed that statement at anybody in particular. I simply made an assessment of what I have observed on this site. i DO consider it crying like a baby when people continue to provide nothing but excessive complaints because the Lakers aren't where they want them to be. A baby is very hard to satisfy because they always want something more and new. A baby does not remain focused on any one thing for too long. A baby is very impatient and resorts to crying in order to get their way. I believe that some of what has been done on here since the summer began fits that description. Like I said, if you don't fit it, don't get upset because it doesn't apply to you.

mamba.

nice. yours is such a happy world.

I'm an optimistic Laker fan, but I don't see myself joining the "Sasha Breakout Bandwagon" any time soon.

Gunner,

You wrote: YOU FORGOT ONE THING. HE WORKS OUT AT 5AM EVERY MORNING TO MAKE SURE HE CAN SCORE A BUNCH OF POINTS TO WIN A 3RD STRAIGHT SCORING TITLE. NOW YOUR KBIATCH LOYALISTS TITLE IS COMPLETE.

Hmm .... You're criticizing a man for getting up at 5am in the morning to work out?
SCREW the reason why!!! I wish the rest of the Lakers were as motivated that
they would put in that kinda effort. Give me guys that put in that kind of effort
over Snowboard kings EVERY TIME!

Just for the record, he started working out at 5 when the Fat Donut king was
still here, because the Donut King wouldn't/couldn't learn how to make
free throws.

I know. It means nothing to you, Kl & Taos. Keep bashing. Keep the hatred strong. Maybe you'll have a heart attack due to your hatred or cancer or
some equally horrific disease to match the nightmare that is your soul.

K-Bros

i understand. no worries.

Karl will turn out to be one of the best in laker organization if phil the pil lets him play.

V O R,

FIrst you say that we should treat the front office like we would treat our children. Then you say that if we don't like the restaurant, we should just leave.

I guess that means that if my children do something I don't like, I can pick out new ones. Does that apply to my wife, too, or just my children?

One other question: what if my children like the restaurant, but I don't?

The 33rd season of Saturday Night Live will premiere tomorrow night with LeBron James taking center stage as host. This will certainly be the biggest role of LeBron's young acting career, but his experience with the ESPY's and Nike commercials will probably make it a smooth transition.

WHAT IS SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE?
OH YEAH, ANOTHER PERFORMANCE BY LEBRON THAT THE COUNTRY
WON'T BE WATCHING, JUST LIKE THE FINALS! HA!

THE CAVES CALLED GUNNER, THEY WANT YOU TO STOP JOCKIN' JAMES CUZ STERN IS GETTING JEALOUS!!!

VOR,

>>>I don't think Mitch is reading the blog, which is why i fail to understand the
>>>reaosn for your crying on the blog at the extent in which you and others are.
>>>What purpose does it meet?I don't think Mitch is reading the blog, which is why
>>>i fail to understand the reaosn for your crying on the blog at the extent in which
>>>you and others are. What purpose does it meet?

When we express our opinions of the team (what you deem as "crying"), the purpose
is to share our opinions with others and to provide the reasons we feel that way. Perhaps
once in awhile we persuade someone to join our opinion, or we are persuaded to join theirs.
In some cases, it's just venting.

What part of a "blog" don't you understand? Let me give you one non-definition:
Blog is not defined as "pep-rally".

>>>If you aren't happy with the Lakers LEAVE!

Oh I see, so by your standards, our choices are that we should praise every little thing
any member of the Lakers organization does or cheer for another team. We wouldn't
be very good fans if we did either of those things. Fortunately, there are other choices
than being a sycophant or a bandwagon fan.

I'm one of the posters on this blog that is the least critical, but I'll defend the rights of
anyone here to express an opinion about the team. When people say that Gunner
or KL should be banned from the blog, I defend them, even though I don't agree with their
opinions. Equally I'll defend the more seriously critical bloggers against your
"crybaby"
epithet. This is the United States. When you feel something is wrong, you speak out
against that wrong and hope to change it, you don't move to China.

I'll also defend your right to call people crybaby's for complaining about certain facets of
the team, and I'll defend my right to disagree with your assessment.

>>>I honestly don't care what you think.

If you don't care what I think or what others here think, then why did you post
a 3 paragraph blog chastising anyone who's critical of the team? And why did
you post a reponse to my response. Clearly you care very much about what we
think or you wouldn't be trying to steer it.

THE (OVER) HYPE MACHINE CONTINUES...
MAYBE BRON NRON CAN GET A ROLE LIKE KAZAAM...
THE SKY'S THE LIMIT...

Fat Donut King with 3 rings....strike that...4 rings.

hobbit, what are you blathering about now?

"It means nothing to you, Kl & Taos"

what does that mean? What means nothing to me? Please clearly express whatever it is you are implying.

MJCMAN,
"WHAT IS SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE?"

Something else that was easier for LeBron to get to because he is in the east.

We have a player hater among us...

Lebron is taking over the league, kobe is yesterday's news.

exhelodrvr -

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Genius, freakin', genius!!! Grat Job!!!

I stopped watching SNL when Chevy Chase stopped being funny...

Hobbit, I've got to post now before I take off so here's the scoop.

First off, let's stop this mythology that Bynum worked out this offseason because of Kobe's radio rampage. That was already set up BY BYNUM before Kobe decided to one up every person that has asked for a trade before by going on the radio and basically saying his teammates suck and that he doesn't want to be here anymore.

You guys, in your fervor to rehab the Kobe image just don't seem to grasp several things.

You don't trade a 19 yr old, 7ft Center who has the hands and intelligence Bynum has unless you get something REALLY GOOD in return. How foolish is it that we even have to discuss this? Filling the Center position in the NBA with a high caliber player is the holy grail of the NBA and here we are sitting on one with the next 10-12 years in front of him and all you guys do is bash him.

If Bynum was a promising SF, we would have traded him by now. Get it? Geez...

Many of us were Laker fans long before Kobe arrived and while nobody wants him to leave, if he is going to force his way out then what is the point of pretending that we don't need to protect ourselves for the future? We're going to dump all of our promising players for somebody that is going to bail on us? The logic is ASTOUNDING! You do realize... we'll be stuck with the guys we bring in and Bynum will be gone, right? I mean... you do have the ability to... think... more than one season ahead, right? or... no??? Do you think you are going to die by next year? I mean??? Is there something about this one year timeframe that you know and nobody else knows? The Bush Admin is going to do something crazy maybe? What? Tell us.

Again, NOBODY wants Kobe to leave, he's obviously a great player and his work ethic is unchallenged but again... if he doesn't want to be here then it is foolish to ignore this, right? If Kobe leaves, new heros will be born, I guess... not for you... but for the rest of the functioning population, there will be new Laker heros. Heck... you might even like Bynum and Crittenton... give it a try! LOL!

SNL to Kobe: ....(I'm sure you can all fill in the blank by now)...

By the way, for those who complain about the 55- win bandwagon, it's not a question of realism. It's a question of faith. I totally understand that there's an equal chance the Lakers will win fewer than 40 games, but the "Life-sucks-Lakers-stink-Losses-pile-up-so-I-think-I'll-find-a-tall-building-and-jump-off Bandwagon" isn't one I'm really ready to join yet.

Is it me, or are we experiencing an INVASION OF THE BLOG SNATCHERS? Ever since last weekend's rain, crawling out from under rocks like worms, we're confronted by Cut & Dry, Voice of Reason, and Linda P.

It's time to call up our reserve armed forces of G1's ZOMBIES to restore order here.

Perhaps the Laker front office has assigned interns to begin posting pro-management blurbs here, the way record companies use interns to pimp bad songs on message boards.

The Blog Snatchers seemingly have been assigned to quell the fan revolt over management's failure to substantially improve the team. What other mission could these invaders possibly have?

We must unite and quell the forces of mediocrity and inaction. We must unite and crush the Invasion of the Blog Snatchers and pound them with the rocks they crawled out under.

LTLF - that was a really well thought-out and expressed post. Good response.

Andrew Z - you're right, because there are a few assumptions I'm making I shouldn't. First, we don't have a rush of serious injuries. Second, Kobe shows up at camp, doesn't disappear, or refuse to play. Third, aside from Phoenix, nobody unexpectedly blows up in the division. Hmmm, maybe I should retract that statement then, I'm not as comfortable as I was a few seconds ago...

lol Ex!

It seems to me everytime the Lakers trade someone they end up having a banner year. If L.O. goes for Shawn Marion you can bet he will shine for the Suns (no pun inteneded). That said, if Mitch can make the trade he should do it. Fish is going to make this a better team. Marion will make it better yet and if Luke has as good a year as I think he will the Lakers are going to very competitive. If Kwame can somehow play the way he can play when he wants to and Chris Mihm comes back ready to play and Andrew improves... A lot of ifs,but I think with the addition of Marion the pieces are their.

Ajax,

>>>I'm an optimistic Laker fan, but I don't see myself joining the "Sasha Breakout
>>> Bandwagon" any time soon.

LOL. I don't expect many people to. There are a couple of reasons why I started it.

First, by all accounts from the other Lakers, Sasha is the best shooter on the team...
in practice. That says to me that he gets verrrry nervous playing. The only way to
get over that is to get a lot of minutes. He hasn't gotten a lot of minutes in any
particular season, but the cumulative effect is starting to show. His 3-point shooting
percentage went from 27% his first season to 34% his second season and to a
respectable 37% last season. Another jump like that and he'll be hitting 40% of his
threes this season.

Second, although he's not the most talented person on the team, at least he tries hard.
You never see him moping and walking down the floor because he didn't get a call.
He runs like a puppy-dog on speed most of the time when he's on the floor, and his
defense toward the end of last season started to get a bit more steady. If he could play
just a little bit more within himself, I think he could be a very good harassing defender
on the wings.

Third, he's always stepped it up during the playoffs. He shot 60% of his threes in the
2006 playoffs and 55% overall last season.

It isn't that far-fetched that given time to mature, Sasha could turn into the Lakers'
equivalent of Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell - a harassing defender who's only role in the
offense is to spot up at the 3-point line.

A little FYI...interesting really lol.

In the lakers season ticket holder website (connections or something) they have a poll, and in the poll it says "should we trade Lamar Odom and Brian Cook for Shawn Marion" and the results favor heavily a trade.

It's interesting coz this is a website created and maintained by the Lakers...as in Jeannie Buss has her own column.

http://my.lakers.com/lakers/login.jsp

VOR, actually, extreme examples do show that a point doesn't work, at least, that it's not an absolute. In other words, if it can be shown your example doesn't hold up, you need to qualify it, or get a new example that does take the extreme into account.

Am I to take it that if you're unhappy with something, you shouldn't complain about it, or try to change, but just dump it, or move along? You're not married, are you? I can tell you, life doesn't work like that in the real world, certainly not all the time. And there's no reason why it should.

Coby Karl might acutally make the team? That would be interesting. I wonder how many former players/coaches kids we can actually get on this team?

So when Kobe sets a great example with working out, practicing hard, and improving his game, and his teammates follow suit, it's not due to him providing leadership. They were going to do it anyway.

OK. I think I understand it now.

exhelodrvr,

>>VOR
>>FIrst you say that we should treat the front office like we would treat our children. Then you say that if we
>>don't like the restaurant, we should just leave.
>>
>>I guess that means that if my children do something I don't like, I can pick out new ones. Does that apply to
>>my wife, too, or just my children?

excellent. That's exactly the point I was getting at, but you did a better job of expressing it.

Being hyper-critical of your children will probably make them neurotic.
Being hyper-critical of the Coach/GM/Star of your team is part of the nature of being a fan.

Faith,

Can you provide a link for that? Thanks.

AK

Rick Friedman,

I am right behind you brother!!!!

Did you work in the music industry? I run my own indie label distributed by interscope (formerly 2001-2006.)

Charles

AK, I did.

It's the http://my.lakers.com/lakers/login.jsp. But you have to sign in.

"Should the Lakers trade Lamar Odom & Brian Cook to Phoenix for Shawn Marion?

Yes 57%
No 28%
I don't like dealing within the division 4%
Um.... Maybe 10%
Total participants: 547"

TaosHum,

>>>If Bynum was a promising SF, we would have traded him by now. Get it? Geez...

In fact, they did. His name was Caron Butler.

And the Lakers traded him desperately trying to get a dominant center.

I accept your stance, and I would prefer to keep Bynum. But I would respond with this thought: don't obsess
so much on the center position that you mess up the rest of the team to do it. I think you would agree that
trading Caron for Kwame was a failure, but the sentiment was the same thing as keeping Bynum: Kwame
had the potential to be a dominant center for the Lakers, so they gave up a very good SF to get him. If not
for that trade, the Lakers could be very good at the small forward position right now. And in February, if they
hadn't been so obsessed with the center position, they could have had an all-star PG.

And to belabor this point as much as possible, if they had kept Caron Butler AND traded for Jason Kidd, they
could conceivably have a starting lineup of and Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom. With
those four, you could have sparky the wonder-chimp play center and they'd still be one of the favorites to
win it all. Obviously, it's a little over the top, as they might have had to include either Butler or Odom in
the trade to get Jason Kidd to match salaries, but it's at least marginally possible that that could have been
the Lakers starting 4 going forward -- it was Bynum and cap relief that New Jersey were mostly interested
in.

And what's more, if you think a dominant center is needed for the triangle, consider Bill Cartwright, Scott
Williams, Will Perdue, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Bison Dele. Those are the centers that got the most
minutes for the Bulls 6 championship teams under Jackson. It's nice to have a dominant center like Shaq,
but it isn't absolutely required.

I'm still blindly crossing my fingers and hoping the Marion deal goes through and that Kobe makes a nice
statement to the press praising Mitch for getting another all-star to the team. I think it will only be an incremental
step in improving the team, but it would take a lot of pressure off of Bynum to produce this year. Because if
the Lakers do nothing, and they lose in the first round again, then Kobe is probably gone. I think Bynum will
show progress this year, but I think it's probably 2 to 3 years before he's up to all-star level (if at all). With
Marion onboard, and with some improvement from Bynum and Farmar and Turiaf, and with a big free agent
market next summer, I think it's likely Kobe's outlook will brighten and he'll decide to stay and give it a go
with the Lakers.

Faith,

Oh, okay. I didn't know there were areas on the Lakers site that required an actual login. I'm not on the site a whole lot.

Wow. I gotta say, were I LO or Cook, I'd be pretty pissed if my team's official website allowed any poll regarding me being traded. That's pretty insulting. Even if it's being formally "conducted" by someone outside of the Lakers, it's still being presented on their site. That's pretty stupid form on their part. That's just asking for a player to be offended.

AK

Loved this article:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/09/gilbert_wants_to_buy_the_bonds.html

Agent Zero doing the Vonage commercial :)

AK,

They have to log in first haha.

"Insanity in individuals is something
rare -- but in groups, parties,
nations, epochs, and blogs it is the rule."

Adapted from Friedrich Nietzsche

LakerTom

As a full time lurker on this blog for the past year, I've always appreciated your intelligent insights and thoughtful responses to inquiries. I think that the lineup you proposed (should a Odom for Marion trade take place) is an interesting one, however, I would appreciate you, or anyone else for that matter, pointing out who would play the role of facilitator in the triangle if we replace Walton in the lineup with Mihm. When Fisher was the starting point guard for the Lakers during Shaq's time here, Kobe filled that role to a large degree. But would it be wise to have Kobe playing that role on a team that doesn't include a second dominant scorer such as Shaq?

AK,

Praise and blessings. I agree regarding your opinion on the trading poll for LO and Cook. Let's hope they will remove that poll soon enough.

Perhaps, that's a reflection of the wit and smarts of the Front Office. Maybe it was Jimbo's idea...

Peace

Charles

Faith,

Touche'. haha

AK

TaosHum,

>>>Many of us were Laker fans long before Kobe arrived and while nobody wants him to leave, if he is going
>>>to force his way out then what is the point of pretending that we don't need to protect ourselves for the future?
>>>We're going to dump all of our promising players for somebody that is going to bail on us? The logic is
>>> ASTOUNDING! You do realize... we'll be stuck with the guys we bring in and Bynum will be gone, right?
>>>I mean... you do have the ability to... think... more than one season ahead, right?

I see the merit in your argument. But Kobe is a known quantity, and Bynum is potential.

The way I see it, it's like we're all virtually playing "the price is right". You can have the best player in the
league or you can have what's behind curtain B.

Most of us want to try to keep the best player in the league. Because behind curtain B could be the next
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or it could be the next Elden Campbell.

giantsquid,

>>>I would appreciate you, or anyone else for that matter, pointing out who would play the role of facilitator in the
>>>triangle if we replace Walton in the lineup with Mihm. When Fisher was the starting point guard for the Lakers
>>>during Shaq's time here, Kobe filled that role to a large degree. But would it be wise to have Kobe playing that
>>>role on a team that doesn't include a second dominant scorer such as Shaq?

facilitator - Kobe or Fish

Marion is another dominant scorer. When Amare was out in 2005-06, he averaged 21.8 ppg. I think one of the
small improvements of Marion over Lamar is that he wouldn't defer to Kobe quite so much on offense, he'd stay
aggressive.

Charles,
Yes. Very astue. 2 indies - Sunshine ('91-'93) and Megadisc ('94-'99). Currently doing some artist management.

long time

"I think one of the small improvements of Marion over Lamar is that he wouldn't defer to Kobe quite so much on offense, he'd stay aggressive."

it be interesting to see how that plays out. i've got the feeling we're going to see the headlines "Bryant and Marion Feuding".

Long Time Laker Fan

"Marion is another dominant scorer. When Amare was out in 2005-06, he averaged 21.8 ppg. I think one of the
small improvements of Marion over Lamar is that he wouldn't defer to Kobe quite so much on offense, he'd stay
aggressive"

I totally disagree. Marion cannot create his own shot. Period. A very large portion of his points come off breaks, beating his man downcourt, or putbacks. He is a decent 3pt shooter, but not great. Over the span of their careers, Marion has averaged a couple pts. per game more than Lamar. That's not what I would call a dominant scorer.

As facilitator, part of Lamar's job is to set the table for other Lakers. I think deferring to others is just part of his job. Marion couldn't fill that role even if he wanted to. Of course he won't defer. Its wouldn't be part of his job and setting up other players is not one of his skills. (He's about as capable as finding the open man as Slava).

Kobe as facilitator for this team would be crazy. He'd be totally worn out by midseason.

And Fisher didn't play the facilitator role last time he was with the lakers. There must have been a reason for that.

AK/BK-

Ban the beast?

No worries. Have a nice weekend.

Everything here in Mesa, Arizona points to Marion and the Suns making up. But who knows. As a Lamar Odom fan I'd hate to see him leave, but the injury stuff makes me hope for a deal.

I think I like the idea of Marion for Lamar. Marion is a true SF with range on his siick release. He's good on the boards, he's fast, he's SUPER EFFICIENT, plays excellent defense, and he wants to play with Kobe.

I think Turiaf can cover the low post scoring we'd lose from Lamar, and Walton can do the facilitating that Lamar did.

We need change. Marion for Lamar seems like an equal deal to me. It would change the whole dynamic of the team.

I say get it done. Don't worry about the Suns, Nash will be done in a few years.

giantsquid:

You raise a good point. No doubt that the offset for Marion’s slightly better scoring and defense is a loss of Lamar’s 4 to 5 assists per game. Like everything in life and the game, it’s a tradeoff. In my mind, it’s Marion’s defense at the 3 that is the key factor.

One thing that I think will help offset the loss of Lamar’s assists is the enhanced motion and cutting you will get running the triangle offense with Marion, who is superb playing without the ball and following up on the offensive glass. Having excellent passers is only half of the formula for getting assists. You also have to have guys that are in the right place and the right time and that can catch the ball. Lamar Odom may be a better facilitator with the ball but Shawn Marion is a much better player off the ball than Odom.

The critics who say that Marion cannot create his own shot are right in one sense. What they ignore is Marion’s proven ability to get loose for layups and lobs by cutting and constantly moving on offense. It’s really that great movement that enabled Steve Nash to rack up so many assists with Marion. He knows how to finish and has an excellent midrange shot. He is perfect for the triangle in my mind and will give us the same easy hoops and fluid movement that Luke does but while also playing stellar defense.

While the triangle offense does not demand a true point guard like other offenses, there is no doubt that it will run better with a true point guard who can create plays. I think you will see Jordan Farmar and Javaris Crittendon get playing time because they may be better as playmakers than an older and slower Fish. If we run the offense well, however, we should not miss Lamar’s assists, most of which came in open court and on broken plays.

Tom

I'm back! Hello everyone! What's going on? Marion here yet, or we're ready to start the season without him. I am all cool with that! As long as we got Kobe and Bynum, just wished Kobe get younger by two years and Bynum gets older by years. Anybody has a time machine you can lend the two? That really solves all our problems!

Rick Friedchicken, you think you are special in this blog? You are wrong! You stop bloggin and the blog will still go on... You get it! You can tell that to your buddy Charles and Edwin. You can all disappear together, I'll put you in the time machine to go to year 607201. hahaha!

Only Mike T is special! Even more important than AK and BK combined... hahaha!

Linda P

Ooooops!

hahahha!

Tom

"It’s really that great movement that enabled Steve Nash to rack up so many assists with Marion."

I think that you are correct as far as you go. Marion does move well. But with the Suns he also has players like Nash and Diaw who can take advantage of his slashing style. Without Lamar the Lakers are lacking in players who can set Marion up for his shots. (I do think that Bynum will eventually be a decent passer for a post player though).

Personally I think that this isn't a particularly great deal for either team and I don't see why either team would take the chance of possibly improving the other. In particular, I don't see Phoenix making a move that might improve the Lakers.

Voice of Reason,

I just came back at 6:30 pm, read your repost.

I was reading the article of Bill Plaschke and at the middle of the article (Page 2) there is a phrase here I quote:

"Of course you get upset, but you've got to keep your composure in the job." And say this: "There has to be a voice of reason." And this: Dr. Buss has always believe the fans will respect someone with a calm demeanor, and that's the lead I follow."

Here's the links:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke28sep28,1,2792756.column?page=2&cset=true&ctrack=1&coll=la-headlines-sports

***************************************************************************
Hmm.... the Voice of Reason was specifically mentioned in this article and that's yours nom de plume in this blog.

Are you connected with the office of Mitch Kupchak or Bill Plaschke?

LakerTom,

Like a good student of a triangle, Lamar has been an astute and he let Kobe do the works without asserting himself or created any play between the two of them. As such the triangle became from A to B and the C never got existed. If it was there, it was never effective. Therefore, Kobe did his drive to the hoop or those long range shots while Lamar goes to the hoop or his perimeter shot. In absence of a real preseason drill from PJ, they really didn't practice a real teamwork. They were on its own.

In the case of Marion, Kobe got a taste of his effectiveness during the All Star games. Marion was not afraid to shoot the ball since he does not follow any triangle, it was an all star game. Kobe thinks Marion will be more effective than Odom under that set up. On the contrary, when Odom gets healthy, I think we will see a different picture on his 3rd year with the Lakers this time with the presence of Fisher and Critt'. Supposing all written about Bynum can be translated to the actual games seizing the control of the post area, and Vlad's rainbow shooting becomes effective, watch out, we really don't need Marion and JO. It is all based on IF. We will know them after the first 20 games, they will answer our questions. I was listening to K 570 loose cannons, I think Steve Hartman has a point, they were inconsistent throughout the year, inconsistent players, inconsistent in their victories and losses. Those were the maladies.

I don't think Lamar will have a great start. Unlike last season, Lamar was healthy, and not coming off surgery. Oh well..

Edwin:

I really hope the Marion for Odom and Cook trade goes down. It will not look good for the front office if they fail again to pull off the trade when another all-star player publicly lobbies for a trade that Kobe endorses. I love Marion’s defense. And his offensive style is better suited for the triangle than Odom, with constant movement and sharp cuts to the hoop. I think Marion would thrive in the triangle and impact our defense much like Artest did the Kings when he came from Indy. His arrival would also defuse the current situation and calm down Kobe and the fans. And in my opinion, it would elevate the Lakers just below the elite three in the west.

If the trade doesn’t happen, I still think we will be all right. The news about Andrew is big. He can be the difference, the third star player to complement Kobe and Lamar. Really, we have added four new players to the team this offseason: Crittendon, Fisher, Karl, and Mihm. And most importantly, we got rid of Smush Parker. If we can avoid the injury disasters of last year, we will end up being much better than everyone expects. In fact, we will win more than 55 games. lol. But how about this logic: This year’s team is going to be much better than last year’s team, which we thought was good enough to win 55 games. Therefore, we should easily win 55 games this year. Oh, if it were only that easy.

Tom

Rick Friedman,

Well, I guess you can take a parochial woman amd learn to blog.

But you cannot take away the woman from being parochial.

Goodnite to all.

The Arizona Republic had some fan reaction to the trade and thought they would get the better end of an Odom for Marion deal. They thought Odom was the better player. Grass is always greener...
Marion IS an all-star though so I'll take him. It could be an excellent trade for both teams.

lalakerlover
I live in Mesa as well. Small world...

Here we are againg in this old and longly story againg.I find my self wondering abourth some of you nuck head.then i stop an really that i'm glad that most of you are not the GM of this lakers team and i'm so.....so glad that there is a voice of reasoning some where in this organization becouse from my reading this blogg all years long these are fair weather fan an i for one do not like fair weather fan i can not stand them. from my read i have seen these so call fan jump on wagon of any player name that come up about 4week ago there was some of you who was willing to do a tread for j.howard & r.davis then there some of you that would promble would trade lamar for kobe grand mom that how foolish most of you fair weather fan are so i say thank to voice of reason.Becouse with some of you'll this team would be in a mess,keeping lamar & byaum is going to turn out to be the best thing this team did this off season.trust me i say this last season and i was right on the money that this laker's team would do find if that stay heathed an when all the so call exspret was saying the laker's was bad team it turn out that thay was the one's that was wnong.so i say to the suns keep marion an let the laker's keep lamar and all you banwagon will be on this blogg say how your are glad the laker's did make a trade.GOD BE WITH THIS LAKER'S TEAM I PRAY FOR THESE MANY BLESSING IN YOUR HOLL NAME FOR EVERY AND EVERY THANK GOD!

LakerTom

Although I disagree with you on the potential benefits of a possible Odom-Marion swap, I do greatly appreciate your optimism. What's the point of going into a season expecting the worst. If the Lakers had been relatively healthy last year they would have won more than 50 games. This year I expect that Bynum, Farmar, and Turiaf will be significantly improved, that Vlade will regain his shooting touch, and that the additions of Fisher, Mihm and Crittenton will also help. It'll be interesting to see how the tone of the blog changes once training camp opens. I'm betting that by the time training camp ends most bloggers will be just as optimistic about the teams chances if not more so.

Linda Pineda aka Bryant K,

You are both youthful and immature. Alot of people can't stand you and I'm glad you posted a Linda P message as Bryant, K. Funny you were accussing people posing as multiple bloggers. Go away and leave it for the true Laker fans.

VOR

 
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