I realize this will feel like a plug for a mag BK and I work with
But the article on Tim Donaghy in the new issue of ESPN The Magazine (Prince Fielder on the cover) is worth checking out. It's not so much about Donaghy as the state of NBA reffing in general. More specifically, the league office's not-so-positive effect on said state. Micromanaged videotape review (which often leads to being retroactively criticized for calls previously issued a thumbs-up). Refs being told they personally need to call particular infractions more often. The urgency to stave off the henpeckers, which often results in ticky-tack fouls. A decided emphasis on adhering to rules and appearances over context, which, as one former ref put it, has "taken the common sense out of the officials' hands." Just one example of how the league has grown exceptionally overcontrolled since the Palace brawl. Since most of y'all are pretty critical of David Stern, Stu Jackson and the gang (for many of the reasons I've been), I thought this would be up your alley.
If you have ESPN Insider, you can click here, then sift through the table of contents. Otherwise, it's not presented in a linkable format, but you can always plant yourself at the nearest Brentano's and peruse the whole thing. Just don't bring it into the bathroom or else you've agreed to a purchase. No questions asked. Or answered. Kinda like Kobe's appearance on the "Jimmy Kimmel Show."
-- AK



Mamba:
Thanks for the honor. I’m humbled. It’s easy to be positive all the time now that Smush has departed. I definitely see that Niners surprising everybody with a very competitive team that has a long shot chance at winning everything. I’m going full out GOF (Glass Over Flowing) this year. Full GHF is not enough to overcome the snafus of the front office and return Kobe, the greatest player in the NBA today, to the fold to extend the Lakers dynasty.
In respect, KL should agree with all of my posts today. Lol. Kobe for MVT, Most Valuable Teammate!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 13, 2007 at 12:57 PM
exhelodrvr,
So....considering that this ISN'T one of the moves to put them over the top as a contending team, you are suggesting that they do what?
I mean, unless somehting changes, O'Neal ain't coming. Are you suggesting that they trade Kobe? If they do....will that make them a contending team? If they do, what will that do for them period?
What is your plan?
Posted by: JJ | August 13, 2007 at 01:00 PM
JJ:
I really liked your new nickname for ex: Mr. Negativity. He is like a radiation monitor you wear if you work near a nuclear reactor except his monitor detects any rays of sunshine, alerting ex to make a negative post before anybody overdoses on good vibes. Thank God we all know this is really humor on ex’s part and he is not serious. lol. Mr. Negativity, very good!
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 13, 2007 at 01:10 PM
JJ,
I absolutely would rather have Juwan Howard on this team than Brian Cook. His skill set, experience, and ability to contribute are all a better fit than Brian Cook at this point.
However, it's not that cut and dry when making trades. Unfortunately you have to take into consideration a player's contract and its effect on the salary cap. For that reason alone that trade would be bad. In all honesty, Brian Cook's contract isn't bad. For what he's getting paid, coupled with his size and ability to shoot, he's not a bad guy to have around. There are harder contracts to move.
So I think Ex (and to the same extent, myself) look at any trades based on how much the player can bring to the table and whether or not their contract provides good value. In Juwan Howard's case, he doesn't provide what he's paid.
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 13, 2007 at 01:12 PM
AK/BK Blog Challenge!!!!
Name a the 'Shaq' led team that won a play-off series without at least one other all-stars in his supporting cast.
Answers to 'Lakersblog'
Aaarrrhhhh!!
Angry_Laker
Posted by: Angry_Laker | August 13, 2007 at 01:14 PM
Some good stuff on the blog. Nice to see so many commments during the dog days. Kudos to you all. Personally, I'm not too worried about chemistry issues... I figure it'll be what it's always been the past several years. Kobe's not ever going to an easy personality but does anyone really want him playing AGAINST us? I mean the guy's just an insane player so deal with the baggage. The thing that kind of gets me though, is payroll. We're somewhere around 18th in the league. And, I totally get that Jerry Buss likes to make a profit and luxury tax blah blah blah. Whatever. I've been a Lakers fan for a long, long time and I just get the sense that Buss isn't swinging for the fences anymore. So, if you want talent you gotta find a way to get it.
Regardless, I'll be rooting for our guys, like I do every year. I dig Tom's enthusiam. I hope we can keep our bigs healthy. I hope our shooters will let it fly this year. I hope guys like Sasha and Vlad will come out of the fog and do what they clearly have the ability to do. I want to see Coby Karl fight to make the squad and then lay somebody out in his first game. I want to see three's dropping like rainbows. I want to see Bynum break a backboard - in the 4th quarter!
Can't wait for the season to begin.
Dave M
Posted by: Dave M | August 13, 2007 at 01:16 PM
The Lake Show,
On Jerry Buss appeal to younger women, not really that obsessed just tried to reply V'man's post that Lakers are not in the habit of gambling.
Yeah, perhaps I'm jealous. Being a boomer when we talked of young girls, we get a sour look that we're too old to be their grandfather. You better stop or else they'll call a police. haha.
Taking it to a rest, when they get JO, make no mistake, you will see supreme optimism in the blog, no more negative vibrations. We're tlike he whining innocent babies in a cradle we cry because we're hungry and thirsty and no one is listening.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 13, 2007 at 01:17 PM
sonny:
Go, Niners. The march to the Super Bowl starts tonight.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 13, 2007 at 01:18 PM
Mamba 24/10,
"I can Blog is in the early morning between 8 12:45."
How about changing your name to Mamba 12:45
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 13, 2007 at 01:20 PM
JJ,
Juwan Howard makes $6.9 and $7.4 million in the next two years, respectively.
At those prices, to a team already over the cap (and luxury tax I believe), it's just too expensive of an expirement.
To be honest, I don't think the Lakers should make any more deals this offseason (other than trade Kobe).
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 13, 2007 at 01:22 PM
JJ,
You have a good idea, but I think the pf we should go after is Reggie Evans. Howard is probably a better all around player, but is also more expensive. I know some people want LO moved to the 3 but I don't see how that makes a major diference. In either position he creates mismatches so I don't see him moving to sf, as a major plus.
Denver desperately needs shooters, and has a glut in it's front court, so they should be willing to do the deal. We get rid of two role players we don't need (or want), and bring in a MONSTER REBOUNDER that can help solidify the second units front line, and give us a rebounder when LO is on the bench. Mitch is reportedly willing to go into the season with the squad we have right now, so I think the best thing the FO can do is bring in better/useful role players that can really help us. After we make the trade with Denver, we can sign Patterson for the vet minimum and have a more competitive roster without adding too much salary.
Fisher-Farmar-Crittenton
Kobe-Evans-Coby Karl
Patterson-Luke-Radmanovic
LO-Reggie Evans-Turiaf
Kwame-Bynum-Mihm
This squad is better defensively, and deeper.
Posted by: Weave-Man | August 13, 2007 at 01:25 PM
JJ & AZ,
On the Great Kwame -
You guys should not be joking on Kwame. I know it's difficult to convert a breed of St. Bernard into a Greyhound, it's a dream. If LakerTom can dream the impossible then we too should dream in Kwame's transformation. I see Kwame 75% of Shaq, 75% of Olajuwon and 75% of Moses Malone controlling and clearing the post and making 75% of his free throws. What a dream even if it's only 75%? lol!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 13, 2007 at 01:28 PM
JJ,
What is my plan?
1) Don't make desperation moves.
2) Determine (if possible) if Kobe is going to play next season, and (if so) whether or not he is going to demand a trade next season or is willing to wait until the end of his contract to see how things are progressing. Finding out the answers to those questions is paramount to making good decisions.
3) What is the injury status of Mihm, Brown, Odom, and Walton? I am working under the impression that they are all returning to full health, if that is not the case then that will have a significant impact on the moves the team tries to make, and the moves that other teams would consider. (i.e. if Brown or Odom are not healing well, then they are untradeable for now.)
If Kobe is thinking about sitting out, or planning on demanding a trade again, then the primary focus of the GM should be to try and get the best deal possible. Chicago and Atlanta seemed like logical choices for that, as both teams could benefit, but that would assume one of those teams would be willing, and that Kobe would agree. If nothing reasonable can be done at this point, then don't make a move yet.
If Kobe is willing to stay at least until the end of his contract, then the team should try and make a move for Gasol, O'Neal, or Artest. If you can't make a trade for any of them, then you need to sit tight, see what you can get for Kwame Brown at mid-season, and hope that Bynum, Turiaf, Walton, Farmar/Crittendon improve enough, combined with reasonable health for the team.
The Lakers are not in a good position right now; overall the roster is of below-average quality, and they have no salary cap room for the foreseeable future. But don't make the situation worse by being desperate.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | August 13, 2007 at 01:32 PM
the Juwan Howard of a couple of years ago, sure, but the CURRENT version of Juwan Howard?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/2628;_ylt=ArjN4JUueV8GTn5zC8Csq_CkvLYF
look at his stats against Utah. BRUTAL! and that was in the playoffs when he was needed the most...
if we can get him for nothing, fine, but frankly, I'd rather see Turiaf backing up Odom at PF... maybe Mihm could do some minutes at PF as well...
Posted by: TaosHum | August 13, 2007 at 01:36 PM
marty
"No, the interview was given the following year, after Shaq got his toe surgery on company time. That's why there's a reference to Malone and Peyton. "
my bad. 2003 i recall now.
"But understand the historical context. Shaq had been calling Kobe out in the media for four years, blaming him for losses and so forth, until he did an about-face with the "greatest player" comment during the '01 playoffs. What's most surprising is Kobe kept it all in until 2003."
i do fault shaq for being a dumba$$ during the same time frame.
"Without him [kobe], I think we only win one of those three championships."
debatable, but i'll see your point.
"I miss guys like Magic and Bird. It was team team team with them. It wasn't until Michael Jordan came along that we introduce "supporting cast" into the NBA lexicon."
i guess Jordan is both a curse and a blessing for b-ball fans?
"I'll still be cheering for the Lakers when the season starts."
good man. i'll remain indifferent.
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 01:41 PM
JJ,
Yes, I would have been in favor of a reasonable KG trade, because that makes the team a contender, probably slightly behind the big three in the west, but not real far, and with Kobe in the playoffs ...
But the Howard deal doesn't come close to doing that.
Actually, Brian Cook's offensive game fits in well with the Lakers; he is one of the few players who can take the quick shot when he is open for a split second before the double team recovers, after Kobe passes to him. The problem with him is his defense and his attitude. I don't have a problem with Cook leaving the team, but I have a big problem with his leaving costing the team another 3.5M. And with Walton, Vlad, Lamar, Turiaf, and Mihm available for the forward spots, I don't see a 34-year old, no-triangle experience Howard contributing much.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | August 13, 2007 at 01:44 PM
Rick Friedman,
This is a reply to your yesterday's post and it's only today I've read it, sorry for the delayed response.
"That much said, if injuries hit or the team begins losing significantly in the first two months, expect major trades," the issue that's left everything on hold all summer will be even bigger."
Actually, I did not say that but I definitely agree to your observation. If we're having a hard time making a trade at this time, what more when they accummulated losses. Well, we missed a lot of oppotunities in the past Kidd deal then the Jo/Murphy deal. These may not be exciting deal but in making decisions you have to risk in order to acquire you set objectives. Like the analogy of the California Real Estate, a young couple bought a property worth $ 650K in '05 but he's having problems in paying his monthly mortgages which was adjustable. The house has been in the market for 3 months now and only one made an offer who will give his $ 10K and assumed his obligations He placed a down of $ 25K, if he accepted that deal he would lose $15K but saved his credit, he's waiting for the full price offer but he could not find one, foreclosure proceedings are already in the offing, suddenly Stock Market crushed last Friday due to sub prime mortgages, his adjustable rate increased by 25%? Now the risks is looming, he will lose his house, his original investments and his credit ratings too. In taking risks, either you win some or you lose some but a problem exists and you don't make any moves to address an apparent problem, then you lose all.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 13, 2007 at 01:52 PM
KL,
I agree with you that it's telling about his personality. I just think it's funny how everyone has forgotten what he truly is. Especially in the media. The revisionist history about the whole fued is mind boggling. I just want it all to go away. I would rather deal with losing than this garbage.
Posted by: PhxLkrFan | August 13, 2007 at 01:52 PM
JJ,
The Lakers cant do anything to help them become a contender right now. The things that they had a "glimmer" of hope on, were not really a glimmer of hope at all. Larry Bird help the Lakers? Yea right! Kevin Mchale and Danny Ainge help the Lakers? Yea right! They want to GUT the Lakers.
Mitch can be on the phone all day, but no one wants what the Lakers have or they want to gut the Lakers so they have no chance of winning (Which defeats the original purpose).
I'm not in the Laker front office, but I'm pretty sure they have exausted all possibilities to help the team for this season. Nobody on this blog knows what goes on in the Laker office and to suggest they do nothing is very ignorant and rediculous.
There is literally not much you can do when the most active teams are run by ex-Celtic players. It's their way of sticking it to the Lakers for beating them in 85 and 87.
Give me a break! Kevin Mchale was NEVER interested in trading with the Lakers unless he gutted the team. Same with Bird.
Even when the Lakers would pull a third team, Minnesota, Boston, and Indiana would all say no. They want the Lakers gutted.
They want to help themselves and GUT the Lakers.
The Lakers ONLY chance to get out of this mess in my opinion is to NOT win and get in the lottery. That got Boston Ray Allen which landed KG. The only bargaining chip the Lakers can get is a high draft pick to package with someone to get a quality player. Unfortunately the Lakers want to make the playoffs for extra gambling money/Ladies for DR.Buss so he can enjoy the last few years of his life in style.
Making the playoffs last year for the Lakers was just stupid. It did nothing for them except give them another year of mediocrity.
Posted by: zen | August 13, 2007 at 01:52 PM
mamba24/10 / whoever
By "betting the house" I mean Mitch's reputation, career, livelihood.
Look, it's fun throwing trades around and being impatient but Mitch loses sleep over the stuff we volley back and forth, thinking we understand 'cause we read a link. I don't like much of what he's done but I don't presume to understand how to get Larry Bird to give us JO without plundering our roster and neither does anyone here.
This year could be wrong and gone for him and most of the coaching staff. That's pressure.
Posted by: Vman | August 13, 2007 at 01:55 PM
lakertom
"In respect, KL should agree with all of my posts today. Lol. Kobe for MVT, Most Valuable Teammate!"
i'll be honest with you, i don't read all of your post, but from what i've gathered, it's usually well thought out......even the posts which you ripe me a new a$$hole...LOL.
BTW, i don't mind being called out as long as one is willing to listen to my counterpoint. as for kobe=MVT, i wish...
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 01:57 PM
The D
first off, i appreciate the dialoge recently.
"He is one of rarest and most valuable pieces in the game. We are fortunate to have such a player, because, at most, only about 1/5 of the teams have a player on this level. Plenty of intelligent people would argue that it's really far less than that. Now that we have one, we have to figure out how to make the most of it."
i'm in the camp to keep kobe. i would say that kobe is both a blessing and a curse on the laker organization. i'm all for making the most of kobe's talents, but kobe's got to do his part as the leader and the face of the franchise. i don't care mood kobe was in, badmouthing the people in his organization is bad business.
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 02:01 PM
IN HONOR OF LAKERTOM
I'd like to recind my nickname of LectureTom, CensorTom and LakerTomGirl...for one day. i reserve the right to use such needling as a countermeasure to LakerTom's "patronization" of me down the road.
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 02:15 PM
Will someone in the front office DO something please? even if its just to the front office ... bringing Jerry West back ... but give us some sign of hope here.
Posted by: p0s1t1v3 | August 13, 2007 at 02:19 PM
Lakers will be stupid not to deal Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum and fillers like Sasha and Cook for O'neil....
This is a deal that would defenitely put the Lakers at least close to conteding level...
People listen up, the reason why Kobe and Lamar have not meshed well is becuase they basically play the same roll in the triangle offense... Odom is not a great defender nor is he a great finisher... Andrew will be good, but not in the near future, and we just can't afford that right now... I say pull the trigger Cupcake...
Also we will still have Kwame's expiring contract with Farmar hopefully coming along those two are great trade baits for SF or C before the trading deadline, if not we would still be at least 10 wins better than last year with just the O'neil trade......
you guy's just dont get it, Lamar is injured yet again, which means another off season of normatlity for him.
No Conditioning
No working out on his game
Not looking at film and knowing what his weaknesses are to improve upon them... This is Lamar for you, born and established ball player with incredible body, but just can't get himself to the next level becuase he just does not work on his, either becuase his injured (note becuase he doesn't condition himself) or he just takes vacations... Andrew on the other hand will be good but not for at least another 2 years......
So anyone on hear that thinks were giving up to much given the circumstances for the current situation is out of their minds.....
Kobe, O'neil, Fisher and Walton will be a team much closer to a championship than that of Kobe, Lamar, Fisher, Andew and Walton....Why
Expereince and the will to win....
JimBuss make it happen idiot....
Posted by: Gino | August 13, 2007 at 02:24 PM
Lakers will be stupid not to deal Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum and fillers like Sasha and Cook for O'neil....
This is a deal that would defenitely put the Lakers at least close to conteding level...
People listen up, the reason why Kobe and Lamar have not meshed well is becuase they basically play the same roll in the triangle offense... Odom is not a great defender nor is he a great finisher... Andrew will be good, but not in the near future, and we just can't afford that right now... I say pull the trigger Cupcake...
Also we will still have Kwame's expiring contract with Farmar hopefully coming along those two are great trade baits for SF or C before the trading deadline, if not we would still be at least 10 wins better than last year with just the O'neil trade......
you guy's just dont get it, Lamar is injured yet again, which means another off season of normatlity for him.
No Conditioning
No working out on his game
Not looking at film and knowing what his weaknesses are to improve upon them... This is Lamar for you, born and established ball player with incredible body, but just can't get himself to the next level becuase he just does not work on his, either becuase his injured (note becuase he doesn't condition himself) or he just takes vacations... Andrew on the other hand will be good but not for at least another 2 years......
So anyone on hear that thinks were giving up to much given the circumstances for the current situation is out of their minds.....
Kobe, O'neil, Fisher and Walton will be a team much closer to a championship than that of Kobe, Lamar, Fisher, Andew and Walton....Why
Expereince and the will to win....
JimBuss make it happen idiot....
Posted by: Gino | August 13, 2007 at 02:26 PM
Mamba,
I was walking through the casino with my family towards the back where the auditoriums are and he was coming towards me with two other guys, one of whom was wearing a Yankees cap. Right in front of the Baccarat room is where our paths crossed and I told him I was a fan and that Laker Nation is hopeful he'll be winning in purple and gold soon. Shook hands, that was about it. Later I was kicking myself becasue my wife had my camera and I should have asked for a picture, he would have given it I'm sure. Running across a big NBA player while at the gym is one thing, living your everyday life and coming across one is a bit startling. It was a weird weekend for that type of thing. For example, I got off the elevator heading to my room and right outside the elevator waiting to go down to the lobby was John Kruk talking on his cell phone and holding a golf putter... that was strange because I had to do a double take thinking "was that John Kruk?" Same thing when my wife saw big shot Rob on Saturday. I think there was a charity game in town and several ballers were there for it, but I think Kruk was there for something else? I don't know.
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | August 13, 2007 at 02:30 PM
KLBeast:
"actually, i've been pretty consistent in saying that we SHOULD NOT trade kobe, but for different reasons. kobe's the one who put us in this mess, so i'd like kobe to get us out of it."
Here is what you said when I asked you what moves the Lakers should make:
"I'm not sure laker management can do anything to improve the team to a championship level outside of TRADING KOBE and starting over."
You do more flip-flops than a pair of sandals.
Posted by: hal9000 | August 13, 2007 at 02:36 PM
"Thanks for the nod, but I fear you will soon be neutered."-Sonny B
Hilarious!!! You deserve a day Sonny. You're cool.
Kobe, to me, is now just an asset to the team. I'd feel no pain if he were traded in a fair deal. As a fan of basketball, I will enjoy his play wherever he is. As a fan of the Lakers, I will despise Kobe if he's on another team.
Go Lakers!
Posted by: Rocky | August 13, 2007 at 03:07 PM
Something that just occurred to me.
So now the Lakers have players that have survived major heart surgery (Turiaf) and
cancer (Karl). We really need to add Alonzo Mourning (kidney disease) and
Dajuan Wagner (colitis) to round out the survivors team.
And of course there's Kwame who I've diagnosed with chronic butterfingers.
Posted by: Long time Laker fan | August 13, 2007 at 03:16 PM
JJ,
The Juwan Howard trade isn't a bad idea, but there's one issue you didn't think through.
Minnesota already has 17 players under contract for next year. And your trade was a
three for 1, which would give them 19 players. That means there would be two more
players they'd have to pay off and get nothing out of.
Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but Brian Cook is a base year compensation player,
which means he only counts for half of his salary to the team being traded to, so he
would actually only count for 1,750,000 in the trade.
And then there's the fact that McHale is still a Celtic and would rather cut off his own
foot with a rusty hacksaw and eat it than do the Lakers any favors.
So, I think the deal you proposed would normally be fair value, but in this situation it
doesn't make quite as much sense as it might.
Posted by: Long time Laker fan | August 13, 2007 at 03:31 PM
exhelodrvr,
"You are over-valuing Farmar if you call him "very talented." He has not come anywhere
close to showing that yet."
----
I'll qualify this a bit. He hasn't come close to showing that yet at the NBA level. With the
Bruins he was definitely the leader of the team that went to the NCAA finals. In the finals
game against Florida, Farmar was the only one who came through... pretty much everyone
else got shut down. And by the way, in college, Farmar was an excellent team defender.
He wasn't a 1-on-1 shutdown guy, but he's generally very good at staying with his man
and getting lots of deflections, and more rebounds than most PGs.
Phil Jackson doesn't usually give many minutes to rookies, and he gave Farmar more
minutes than he gives most rookies, but still had him on a kind of short leash. If Farmar
made a couple of rookie errors, he was yanked pretty quickly. I think this year, PJ will
give Farmar a little more leeway and you'll see some more of what Jordan is capable of.
If Jordan spends the rest of the summer working on his 3-point shooting, it would probably
behoove him more than anything else, as that is something that's needed from lead guards
in the triangle.
Posted by: Long time Laker fan | August 13, 2007 at 03:42 PM
Marty & Mamba,
While your kind remarks are appreciated, they are never expected, on the contrary. I participate in this forum because this is simply the best sports board around. This is largely due to the brothers, and mostly due to its eclectic assortment of sharp contributors, including Tatoo Boy and Jorenema. I get hammered a lot worse by fellow Kings fans and Forty Whiners if you can believe it. Anyone whose skin is too thin for tanning really has no business here. And too, having grown up in So Cal a Laker, Dodger and USC fan, I am one of those who is able to root for the Lakers, or any west coast team, but only after the Kings or Niners have been eliminated (depending of course on how they were eliminated; 2002 WCF being the noteable exception).
During those intermittent periods when I am able to follow and participate on this board, I do so. Partly because the discourse functions as a form of social and vicarious recreation, and partly because the exercise is important in helping me to keep my mind and typing skills fine tuned for a book I continue write, off and on.
Now for the plug: The book is called "Up A Squirrels Ass" and I'm hoping it will be made into a super juicy "X" rated movie featuring Hillary, Martha, and Condee. As the story goes, smoking a cigar and wearing only a soft pink cotton blouse, Hillary is in the kitchen baking cookies...
Sonnybelfast
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 13, 2007 at 04:05 PM
gina
"Lakers will be stupid not to deal Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum and fillers like Sasha and Cook for O'neil...."
what happend to retiring from the blog? can't get enough of KLBeast? i know you miss me. BTW, you remind me of a washed-up boxers who retire,s unretire, then retires again. BTW again, you never did answer my question on whether or not you're a season ticket holder or was just lying to the blog? what say you Gino's Pizzaria?
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 04:19 PM
tim-4-show
"Right in front of the Baccarat room is where our paths crossed and I told him I was a fan and that Laker Nation is hopeful he'll be winning in purple and gold soon. Shook hands, that was about it. Later I was kicking myself becasue my wife had my camera and I should have asked for a picture, he would have given it I'm sure."
No picture? i don't believe you then.....kidding. hey, i once saw TJ Cloutier (the old, fat, grumpy poker player) at Bellagio....does he count as a sports figure?
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 04:22 PM
hal9000
"You do more flip-flops than a pair of sandals."
LOL. put-tum-pum.....
this is what i said: "I'm not sure laker management can do anything to improve the team to a championship level outside of TRADING KOBE and starting over."
i didn't say that management should trade kobe, i just don't think we can win a championship with kobe as the #1. man, you're all over me like a cheap suit. you're sticking to me like white on rice. you're on me like fly on $hit.
please vote for KLBeast this upcoming 2008 election. I will give everyone universal healthcare, raise the minimun wage to $30 an hour, make the USA #1 in education and all this without raising taxes......i promise.
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 04:37 PM
long time
"And of course there's Kwame who I've diagnosed with chronic butterfingers."
don't forget...
acute underachieving
systemic mal-behavior disorder
lethargic offensive contributor-itis
and....i-hate-kobe-itis
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 04:43 PM
KL:
I think we're almost on the same page, except I'm a cockeyed optimist who allows himself to be blinded by purple and gold glasses. I'm a Kobe fan ONLY because he's in Laker colors. The second he's on another team, it won't take much to work up a proper loathing.
Here was my reasoning for 1 out of 3 championships: We were a hair's breadth away from tossing it to Portland the first year. If Kobe were out (or Shaq or Harper or Fox or Horry, for that matter), I don't think we get by them. We certainly don't make that 4th quarter comeback. The second championship, we were an impossible force to be dealt with ... Kobe got us to the Finals, Shaq won the Finals for us, but there's a good chance we win it all that year, even without Kobe. The third year, we almost lose to Sacramento (yes, yes, Sonny, we were bailed out by the refs). Take Kobe away from that team, and we might not get the chance to sweep the Nets.
And I'll go it one further: The nature of a championship is SO ephemeral, it can often go either way depending on the breaks. In what would have been our 4th in a row, wasn't Fox injured? I know George went down. I think that was the difference. Even then, we were a Robert Horry missed-3-pointer away from taking a lead in the Spurs series and going to the Finals. And with a healthy Malone the next year? Who knows?
Maybe the planets will align this year. It takes skill (we have some), it takes experience (we have a little more of that), and it takes a big amount of luck. Of the latter, I think we're overdo.
Posted by: Marty | August 13, 2007 at 04:43 PM
Gino,
"JimBuss make it happen idiot...".
You called him idiot, now he will not do it.
I don't how many of you here in the blog were listening to the press conference of the rescue of 6 miners in Utah. Here are the first words of Mr. Murray "I am very disappointed that we are here in the mountains for 8 days now with no rest but have no news to tell you about the 6 miners." Supposing we transposed that Mitch K if he wants to be interviewed. "For the last three months, we have sets of players that are in our targets but did not pan out, we were so close on KG but the Celtics got it. I have done all kinds of combinations which I cannot reveal to you for the sake of the subject players that are still with us that it fell through. Honestly, I hope I can say something productive to appease Kobe's concerns, we really need help from all Laker fans and players. We still have some transactions ongoing, we cannot promise you heaven but rest assured we don;t rest from wheelin' and dealing day and night." Now don't u think fans will understand the situation where Mitch K. is in? They would offer the sympathy rather than antipathy.
All we ask from Mitch K. is, if you have no accomplishments this off season, don't brag and don't drag us to boredom and stupidity, we were not born yesterday nor have an IQ of a whackjob just because we are bloggers. many of the fans here are your high-profiled customers who make or break your Lakers in the long run.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 13, 2007 at 04:44 PM
sonny
"And too, having grown up in So Cal a Laker, Dodger and USC fan, I am one of those who is able to root for the Lakers, or any west coast team, but only after the Kings or Niners have been eliminated (depending of course on how they were eliminated; 2002 WCF being the noteable exception)."
LET'S GO ANGLES!
hey, you have our version of kobe brant in barry bonds.
FIGHT ON! SC's going to kick some john david booty this year. Cal sucks.
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 04:46 PM
The most important statement-issue of the Lakers is this:
Non NBA team would wind a championship with Lamar Odom playing power forward.
NON. PERIOD>
Lamar is a deceptive player...
He isn't and never will be a excellent power forward.
He isn't and never will be one of the best power forward in the game.
He is a good all around player, but he isn't the best in any of the stuff he does.
Lakers doen't have a inside presence to keep defense honest, to dominate the inside game and to play .in a phisical and strong defensive way.
Bynum is a foul waiting to happen and can't hold position inside not even to Arenas.
Kwame is a clown...no rebound, no free throws, no inside offense,. bad finisher, no shot blocking abilities.
Turiaf is a hard worker, but doesn't have the strengh and atheticism to fight against the beast of Amare, Duncan and pothers.
Why Lakers fans and management can't see that?
Well, because they don't want to win. They are letting Jerry Buss fool them.
Jerry West decision making transformed Jerry Buss in a legend.
Without West Lakers are and will be a joke.
Posted by: jorema | August 13, 2007 at 05:07 PM
"And of course there's Kwame who I've diagnosed with chronic butterfingers."
Well, in Kwame's defense (or not), he never washed his hands when he threw the cake.
Posted by: King Lakernidas | August 13, 2007 at 05:08 PM
When bloggers will understand that KL isn't a Laker.?
He isn't a Laker fan. Repeat after me...He isn't a Laker fan.
He is a Shaq follower and a Kobe hater.
Why because when Shaq signed with Miami he lost 40 millions that could have
in his bank account staying with Lakers.
KL isn't a Lakers fans.
Posted by: jorema | August 13, 2007 at 05:12 PM
marty
"I'm a Kobe fan ONLY because he's in Laker colors. The second he's on another team, it won't take much to work up a proper loathing."
spoken like a true "heater", i mean hater.
"The third year, we almost lose to Sacramento (yes, yes, Sonny, we were bailed out by the refs). Take Kobe away from that team, and we might not get the chance to sweep the Nets."
i see your point on #1 and #2, but on #3, i'd say Horry was more the hero? no?
"And I'll go it one further: The nature of a championship is SO ephemeral, it can often go either way depending on the breaks. In what would have been our 4th in a row, wasn't Fox injured? I know George went down. I think that was the difference. Even then, we were a Robert Horry missed-3-pointer away from taking a lead in the Spurs series and going to the Finals. And with a healthy Malone the next year? Who knows?"
ephemeral? no lo entiendo? but you're right on championships being a rarity and "short lived" (ephemeral, i had to look it up), that's why i'm so irratated with kobe. kobe couldn't leave good enough alone (cliche alert), he had to go fixin' what wasn't broke (another cliche alert).
oh well, kobe's all we got now and i'll look forward to another scoring championship and, if we're lucky, a second round appearance. how much you wanna bet kobe gets insured this season? it happens all the time when one player has to carry the load.
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 05:13 PM
Everybody is saying to the grand father Shaq : bye bye big fella.
Eddie Jones received same money amount offer from Heat, but said: no thanks.
The Heat offered Eddie Jones the same deal Dallas did — roughly $1.8 million for each of the next two years — before the Mavericks signed the swingman last week.
Posted by: jorema | August 13, 2007 at 05:15 PM
Jorema what are you saying!!!!
Did Eddie Jones say
F-U Shaq,
F-U Wade
F-U Pat
F-U Miami Vice
F-U CSI Miami
F-U Miami Dolphins
F-U Miami Hurricanes
F-U Miami Sound Machine
F-U Miami Beach
F-U Miami International Airport
F-U Miami Herald
Why an earth would he leave the ex-nba champs, and favourites to win this year and go to a bunch of losers!!!
Aaarrrhhhh!!
Angry_Laker
Posted by: Angry_Laker | August 13, 2007 at 05:47 PM
KL,
"hey, i once saw TJ Cloutier (the old, fat, grumpy poker player) at Bellagio....does he count as a sports figure?"
It's should be the other way around, it would be a privileged for grumpy TJ to have a picture with the popular KL, the beast that riles the Lakers Blog and he's successful in doing it cuz' he got an audience. lol!
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 13, 2007 at 05:51 PM
Long Time
"So now the Lakers have players that have survived major heart surgery (Turiaf) and
cancer (Karl). We really need to add Alonzo Mourning (kidney disease) and
Dajuan Wagner (colitis) to round out the survivors team."
And lets not forget about the Captain himself - a radical conscience-dectomy survival.
Posted by: Hab | August 13, 2007 at 05:51 PM
I always encounter F U, would a child read this as the acronym of Fordham University, the alma mater of the great Smush or something related to Kung Fu? Perhaps, upon reeading this boy would be asking his Dad, are you F U too?
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 13, 2007 at 06:01 PM
angry
"Why an earth would he leave the ex-nba champs, and favourites to win this year and go to a bunch of losers!!!"
i think we've actually found common ground for once. Jormea is as crazy as i am sometimes. the difference is, i'm joking half the time, while i suspect Jormea is being dead serious.
i would disagree with you that Miami is favored to win it all. when they won it all back in 2006 the Vegas odds that i got was 1:3.5 which basically equated to a 28.5% chance to winning it all. i'd suspect Miami has less than a 20% chance to win it all. i think the smart money is on Boston and Suns.
Lesson learned: bet on the lakers to win it all. i believe the Vegas odds for the Kobe Lakers to win it all is 1:5,000,000,000 which happens to coincide with the distance traveled the Planet Pluto where Goofy awaits kobe to give him a big-o hug and kiss.
Posted by: KLBeast | August 13, 2007 at 06:01 PM