Boogaloo clarification?

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A 7 time MVP no other player ever had even 4.

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How can he claim it never came from his mouth. Im sure the reporter was lucid and JO is backtracking. Either, The useless FO should take advantage of this situation. But it is our FO.

*sigh*

Mamba 24/10

You crack me up dude! I just can't hop the 55 win band wagon.... But i'll give you the "I told you so pass" if we do make it to 55 and more!

Rumor has it the Hick from French Lick is not happy with his franchise player for talking to the press. Must be tough to have a player shoot his mouth off like that.

I've heard he wants Walton, AB, LO which is crazy but if we could get Granger back somehow...

At the end of the day, one of these teams needs to rebuild. If it's not us, a sideways move won't work. Kobe on Kimmel could be interesting. Whatever he says will be read between the lines, around the lines, over and under the lines.

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Can't we somehow try to get a decent SF using Kwame, first?
Then, we won't have to worry about shipping out LO
(As rumored before, if we can get Artest with Kwame's
expiring contract, it'd be awesome.. although it's a really really long shot)

If we succefully obtain a decent SF, then we can send both LO & Socks
for JO. The FO won't be willing to pay the luxury tax anyway.

Fisher
Kobe
NEW SF(Hopefully, Artest.. heck, if I can hope, I'd rather hope for LBJ. j/k)
JO
Mihm

Hmm

Not to be a negative Nancy, but it's:

BOOGALOO

not :"Bugaloo" which would seem be some sort of U.K. bathroom party for insects. Actually it was a kids TV show in the 70's, but I believe you've been trying to refer to the 80's classics "Breakin'" and "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo" right? IMDB is always a great help if you're trying to make movie references, might want to check that next time :)

Anyway we now return you to your regularly (and usually properly spelled) blog.

i'm conflicted, Mamba 24/10

i'mma need at least another month before i start jumping on bandwagons. last year's fools good taught me that

can i start the "I'm Weary of Bandwagons" Bandwagon?

How are you Losers (Laker)land?

1. If I were you I'd satrt begging to bring Smush back & then trade that ballhog-cancer MJ wanna' be that is destroying the great LA land.
2. So this season is no different from the last 3-4 years since the big man left huh! I TOLD YOU SO!!!
3. But hey... at least he won the scoring title for you all & guess what? He will do it again this season... YEHEY!!!
4. ANYWAYs, I AM BACKKKKKKKKK!!!!

Weatherman,

No "Negative Nancy" apologies needed. Thanks for the pick up. The Breakin' series deserves its proper titles and, unfortunately, I am a horrible speller. Making matters worse, "Boogaloo" doesn't exactly pop up in a lot of spell checks. haha

AK

CBuck,

Sign me up.

AK/BK-

For the next post, can you work in a "cool it now" reference and have a link to New Edition's 'Cool it Now' music video? It would be greatly appreciated!

hahaha! here ya go, buddy

The "I'm Weary of Bandwagons" Bandwagon Members:
1.) CBuck
2.) J. Walter Weatherman

...schweet!

Ajax,

Suggested noted. haha

AK

Hmmm...I'm awaiting a "Krush Groove" reference next ! Oh that Sheila E. HA HA Anyways...just how many days til training camp ? Kimmel tonight for some interesting Kobe dish.

Vman,

"I've heard he wants Walton, AB, LO "

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No that's wrong. Someone misquoted the Loose Cannons yesterday. What
they actually said was that the latest is that he wants CRITTENDON,
Bynum and Odom. Not Walton. Crittendon.

Which is basically the same as the offer before the draft, except with the
Kwame for Murphy part taken out, and the fact that the #19 draft pick is
now resolved into a specific player, Critter.

I hope this is not taken as a loose or wild racial comment.

HOWEVER,

IF ANDREW BYNUM were WHITE.
Everyone would see him as a big stiff.

There is no magic potion in his black skin or genes.
The guy does not have overwhelming talent. He's a 7 foot 250 plus pound black kid.
That's it.
If he were white, the hoopla would be less.
Whether that is a shame or not it's true.
I think he's tricked a bunch of guys.

C Buck,

I am weary too! But Mamba24/10 has some great points!!!

CBUCK,
"i'm conflicted, Mamba 24/10 i'mma need at least another month before i start jumping on bandwagons.
last year's fools gold taught me that, can i start the "I'm Weary of Bandwagons" Bandwagon?"

CBUCK, only because it is you, just this one time, JUST THIS ONE TIME, You are permitted
to start the Weary of Bandwagons Bandwagons. And when you get Weary of the
Weary of Bandwagons Bandwagon The 55 Win Bandwagon will be right here
waiting. Now go my son and sin no more.

Put me on the 55 bandwagon---

I BELIEVE!!!

get oneal,

There's a SF that's available, and we wouldn't have to trade anybody.....Ruben Patterson. From what I hear Miami is starting to show interest in him, so now's the time to make an offer to him. Even if we can't get JO, I our roster will look so much better with the addition of Patterson:

Fisher-Farmar-Crittenton
Kobe-Evans-Coby Karl
Patterson-Luke-Radmanovic
LO-Turiaf-Cook
Kwame-Bynum-Mihm

More depth, veteran leadership, and better defense.

Mamba24

add me to the 55 win bandwagon list, you must be crazy to expect them to do any worse is like kissing kobe good bye already

KLBEAST

"como se dice "welcome" in Catalan?"

BENVINGUT

"however it's said, welcome to the blog, but don't get your hopes up on 55 wins. My over/under is 45 wins. "

Thank you for your welcome, but i'm not really new, only that I really don't post a lot.

I believe we will win more than 50 games, because I have the hope that the Lakers will bring some great players and keep Kobe.

KEIFO'S IN THE HOUSE!!!
jUST LIKE OLD TIMES !!

Mamba24/10,
I salute you for a GREAT post! It got me laughing out loud at the office... It’s clearly the post of the week...
Go Mamba 24/10, go Lakers!

CHARLES,
"I am weary too! But Mamba24/10 has some great points!!! "

Thanks for having my back Charles. I owe you one.

alexinho17,

50 games? that's a tough task, but i appreciate your optimism.

"BENVINGUT" and keep posting...i'll look out for your post in the future.

BTW, i did a foreign exchange deal in Santander for 6 week.

AK:

Yes! An Electric Boogaloo reference. Turbo, Firefox and Shabba-Doo would be proud!

"There's a SF that's available, and we wouldn't have to trade anybody.....Ruben Patterson."

The self-proclaimed "kobe stopper"? I suspect Patterson will say "F-U" to the prospect of being kobe's kbiatch...

CLeon,
"Mamba24/10, I salute you for a GREAT post! It got me laughing out loud at the office... It’s clearly the post of the week"

Thanks CLeon we all need a laugh now and then. It just aint that serious.
I don't know whether you are new here or not but, welcome to the
Blog. You'll be in the Roll Call tomorrrow.

55 wins? Is that over the next 2 seasons?

At least the Lakers caught a break when Brand got hurt, they passed the Clips in the western conference rankings.

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Rank the top teams in the Western Conference

My rnakings as of today

1 Suns
2 Dallas
3 Spurs
4 Utah
5 Houston
6 Denver
7 GS
8 Portland
9 New Orleans
10 Lakers
11 Seattle
12 Clippers

KLBeast- Did you read what one of the Falcons receivers said about playing with Vick?

Something to the effect, as a player you get caught up watching and expecting Vick to make a big play and bail you out.

Thats how I see kobe too, the rest of the team is waiting for Kobe to make the great play , and is standing around watching.

Only a few players I never see that with are Ronnie and Vladman.

We are not the NOK Whatevers, we are the Lakers. You dudes make such a fuss over third place - unbelievable. Please move away if you love anything but a title. This team has NO CHANCE. Sowwey.

laker lover

"Thats how I see kobe too, the rest of the team is waiting for Kobe to make the great play , and is standing around watching."

to kobe's credit (yes, i do have a soft spot for my best buddy), when the lakers were winning in the beginning of the season, i was very happy with the offense. i was very disappointed towards the end of the season (especailly during "kobe-ball") when we were losing and kobe took it upon himself (and with guidance from the coaching staff presumably) to dominate the game offensively.

i knew at that point that we weren't going anywhere in the playoff cuz while other playoff teams were tightening the screws on defense (dallas too), we were run-and-gun (hence, my fools gold joke). i'd rather we miss the playoffs playing the right way than getting in the wrong way....

there is nothing that irritates me more than one player playing one-on-one b-ball (except late in the game or when there's a called play) becuae, as you correctly pointed out, the other guys will stand and watch (it's a natual tendancy) and it gets guys out of a rythm offensively, and more importanlty, defensively....just my take.

Laker Lover

no love for the clip eh? i don't blame you now that EB's out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2965392

Big man Pollard adds size, depth to Celts' bench

Let me see if I get this the Celts get Pollard, a hard working energy guy and the Lakers resign Mihm?

Ill take Pollard over Mihm every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

just a reminder to all the true laker fans.. we have had some of the best memories in the past and the best moments have come before kobe and we are sure to have more memorable showtime moments in the future, so i say believe, just believe in the purple and gold no matter the outcome this season or next, players will come and go but the lakers will remain and the memories will live on. playoff team or not, i am a die hard laker fan and this is a perfect example, this was not a championship team but it was the BEST TEAM in basketball and most importantly it was a "TEAM", this is just one of many heartfelt laker moments

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0cvWn6fH7Cg&mode=related&search=

I agree. SF is the position that needs an upgrade. Not PF or the center rotation.

What about Posey? or Ime Udoka?
Ruben Patterson is an option, but he comes with a little baggage.
Linton Johnson is another kid i like.
Our current PF and C rotations are pretty solid when healthy. A defensive presence at SF will go a long ways to solidifying the team.

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Blkthght06

"As you wish. From now on, no caps, except for ocasional emphasis."

thanks bro, it's easier to read.

"Thanks for the welcome. I apologize for the personal attacks, but your nonsensical KB bashing really irritates me."

your welcome on the "welcome". regarding the personal attacks, i don't mind as long as you give me a reason which you have. Please bear in mind that some of my post are shtick where i exaggerate severly to counter the "nonsensical" kobe loyalist. My intention isn't to "irratate" rather stimulate the conversation.

"Or maybe, your act is all part of some subversive agenda to irritate lurkers to the point where they become active participants in this blog.......in which case, kudos. You're still weak though."

part of my agenda is to create participation. i've actually learned a lot about laker fans from this blog. hey, i got you to weigh in didn't I? Keep posting.

I BELIEVE VIOLATER I GODD*MN BELIEVE

Thats a huge blow to the Clips losing EB, he is one of may favorite players to watch the guy works hard on every play both on offense and defense and he is a stand up guy.

In the last few years id rather watch the clips than the lake show because the Lakers offense and over-all game bores me.

Since we're giving love to the 'Breakin folks, it would be a shame to forget about the original home of Shabba Doo - the dance group The Lockers. Fred 'Rerun' Berry of 'What's Happening' fame was also a member of this influential 1970s troupe. They appeared on the first episode of Saturday Night Live in 1975, as well as many other TV variety shows. The art of break dancing wouldn't have evolved without them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lockers

Not too close for comfort -

The Nets are offering Krystic, Jefferson and Collins. Pacers wants Marcus Williams tha Jason Collins. I think that's an easy switch for Thorn to accomplish compared to the Lakers deal. Therefore, we do not have the upperhand merely, one of the buyers in an auction.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22983.shtml

Lakers stick with Bynum and Lamar.

We're going to be beaten again by the Nets, previous to that by Celtics on KG, and also by the Memphis on Navarro, by the Mav's on Webber. What did we get? Re-signed Walton and Mihm, that's the best Kupchak can do. Fish and Critt falling into his lap. (I think even a homeless on the skid row can make that kind of decision!)

Laker Lover:

"Let me see if I get this the Celts get Pollard, a hard working energy guy and the Lakers resign Mihm?"

Uh... do you have any idea who Scot Pollard is? I'd hardly call him "hard working" or an "energy guy". Pollard is an extremely mediocre if not well below average player. Mihm is a significantly better choice if he can perform at the same level that he did before being injured.

Weave-man

Why do you consistently ask for Ruben Patterson. You know at some point he was on the Lakers and proclaimed himself the "Kobe-stopper" and then when the Lakers had enough of his overrated defense and his non-offense he was gone...

He hasnt done anything more in Denver or Millwaukee...so why in the hell do you want him now????

If you want ruben back, lets get travis knight and corie blount while we're at it.

Mamba,
"55 WIN BANDWAGON MEMBERS:
(1) Laker Tom (2) Marty (3) Hobbit (4) Fearless Whack Job (5) Mamba24/10
(6) David Whang (7) BD (8) Dan Dan the Laker Fan (9) Long Time Laker Fan
(10) Roky (11) JoninJapan(In Canada) (12) JUNO (13) KEIFO,
(14) Alexinho17 (15) TALIQ (16) GENERIC_ONE (17) VIOLATER"

Thanks for the list. I'll be sure to call you out on this halfway into the season.

Laker Lover,

What makes you think that the Lakers are worse than the Blazers??? The Blazers have no proven scorer, Oden is just a rookie, and they also dont have a proven point guard, unless you're scared of Steve Blake..or does Joel Pryzbilla get you worried???

Also, the Warriors are not going to win more games than the Lakers on their style of play. Even themself recognize this beacuse they know they can only win when the matchups favor them,

Better Rankings:

1. Spurs
2. Suns
3. Jazz
4. Mavs
5. Rockets
6. Nuggets.
7. Lakers.
8. Hornets
9. Warriors
10. Grizzlies
11. Blazers

"If you hate Kobe so much, start your own blog"

Actually Chris, if you love Kobe so much, start your own blog.

"I think people would generally take your opinions a lot more seriously if you didn't bring up Kobe's rape charges everytime you posted a comment"

I very rarely bring up the rape charges and I don't hate Kobe. I'm more concerned with the Saint's disgraceful treatment of his family and other well documented words and actions, which to me, represent anything but a guide post for leadership, maturity or morality.

Even more importantly, I do not believe the Lakers are going anywhere so long as Kobe is your leader. But please, if you start taking me seriously, you are in deeper trouble than I thought.

Think about it. JO would want to leave a team that is "looking to rebuild"
to go to a team that should be looking (or will be forced in two years) to rebuild???

No wonder he woke up and recanted. Why don't many of you do the same?

WE ARE rebuilding in Sacramento. You need to oust the Saint and do the same.

Sonnybelfast

Gunner,
"Thanks for the list. I'll be sure to call you out on this halfway into the season."

Always happy to oblige Gunner. But sad to say that call will never made
55 WINS are in the bag.

No Kobe, No Lamar, No Andrew, No ???

Please add me to the 29 WIN BANDWAGON 2010

Sonnybelfast

THE LAKE SHOW

"What makes you think that the Lakers are worse than the Blazers??? The Blazers have no proven scorer, Oden is just a rookie, and they also dont have a proven point guard, unless you're scared of Steve Blake..or does Joel Pryzbilla get you worried???"

DIDN'T JARRETT JACK PUT 25 POINTS UP ON US IN THE STAPLES LAST YEAR? I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S A POINT GUARD. AND ROY? DIDN'T HE WIN THE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. HE MUST BE PLAYING FOR THE D-LEAGUE BLAZERS.

I GUESS THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SCORERS LIKE YOU SAID.

LAKERS ARE AROUND 10TH BEST RIGHT NOW IN THE WEST. THAT WILL GET YOU ABOUT 40-42 WINS IF YOU'RE LUCKY. BUT I WILL RECANT IF THEY DO BETTER THAN THAT.

The Lake Show- Call it a hunch on Portland I like what they are doing with Roy , Jack and now Oden.

Time will tell, I see other teams getting better, the Lakers are the same team more or less.

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fearless/kobe apologist

"It isn't just O'Neil. Davis. Kidd. Artest. KG. Any one of those would have made a major impact on this team. And who would care if nobody else wants to play with him? All of them are ON RECORD as saying they want to play with Kobe. You can listen to the dang Pod Casts if you want."

as far as i can tell only JO's on the record. all those other guys are just blowing smoke. nice try.

oh, BTW, how many players of stature have joined the lakers since 2004? not to be a hater and drink "haterade" from the cooler, but JO isn't exactly a great player. he was okay at Sacramento and Indiana, but i don't think of JO as an impact player.

I STILL ASSERT THAT NOBODY OF STATURE* WANTS TO PLAY WITH A MALCONTENT KOBE BRYANT

*JO excluded

sonnybelfast,

What are you rebuilding in sacramento??????

I think that in sacramento never it has been something builded. You are not rebuilding, you are as always the same poor team.

Sonnybelfast- I like the Kings siging of Mikey Moore alot. The Lakers could have done a lot worse than a guy like him.

Edwin,
"The Nets are offering Krystic, Jefferson and Collins. Pacers wants Marcus Williams tha Jason Collins"

If they get JO. that means

Celtics
KG, Pierce, Ray Allen (Nostradomus)

Nets
Kidd, Carter, JO

There will not be any discussions about realignment anymore. It won't look like the LEASTERN CONFERENCE ANYMORE!

Edwin Gueco,.
"even a homeless on the skid row can make that kind of decision"
The line of the week Edwin. Don't run your blood pressure up.
The lakers will be fine this season.

JUST FOR THE RECORD ITS GONNA BE A LITTLE MORE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

1- SPURS
2- SUNS
3- MAVS
4- ROCKETS
5- NUGGETS
6- LAKERS
7- JAZZ
8- WARRIORS
9- HORNETS
10- BLAZERS
11- GRIZZLIES

Sonny,
where do you live?

What kind of team are the Maloofs building? Reggie Theus!?!? Now they are trying to sell tickets based on old time sentiment.
Are you frustrated about the Kings?
I live (temporarily) up here in Yuba City (yikes). I'm surrounded by Kings' fans. You seem to understand basketball, how come the rest of the Kings' fans i meet are idiots?

Ho #17,

"I think that in sacramento never it has been something builded"

O.K.

Jorenema also concurs.

Sonnybelfast

Andrew Z,

It would seem to me that if you are the one talking about panties perhaps you are the one with experience in wearing them.

The Lake-Show ,

Seeing as how none of your suggestions have happened, I don't think there is too much credibility that can be found in your posts either.

By the way.....against my better judgement, I'm going to stay.

Oh and by the way, it's not about me taking anything personal, it is about idiotic posters. I feel the same way no matter who their posts are directed towards. Oh, and I don't expect or want all of my posts to be praised as being right, I just want consistent thoughts and posts on here. If you use an argument to stress one point, you can't change that argument to stress another point. Either you believe in what you are saying or you don't. That has nothing to do with my posts....that has everything to do with the integrity of your posting.

Oh and to Mamba and the guys that asked me to stay, I appreciate the sentiments.

Since AZ has already cut the cheese.....I guess I can drink my wine! (Before you get upset remember....it isn't personal!)

The Lake-Show
"Why do you consistently ask for Ruben Patterson. You know at some point he was on the Lakers and proclaimed himself the "Kobe-stopper" and then when the Lakers had enough of his overrated defense and his non-offense he was gone..."

I think if you go back and research when Ruben left here, it was primarily because he went at Kobe in practice with way too much intensity - and he and Kobe got into it with each other several times. The FO decided they did not want Kobe getting mauled daily in practice, and he never backs down from anybody so they had to get rid of Ruben. After he left is when he started calling himself the Kobe-Stopper and to some degree the stats backed him up for a few years, he was like Raja is these days to Kobe. Not really a stopper but a real thorn in his side guy.

I tend to think KLBeast is right, no way Ruben would come back and play with the Kobester - but for the money he makes Ruben does have lots of good points. I would put him at the same value of say Raja Bell but maybe slightly better offensively.

I can't remember who said this on here, but I am starting to agree that the next thing we hear will be JO getting traded to the Nets................

Can we please try to go after Artest again? Everybody knows that either he or Bibby has got to go from up there, and Bibby is going to be hard for the Kings to trade. Artest either goes to the Knicks or maybe we can snag him somehow. He does want to play w/ Kobe so that is a big plus as well.

Buss will not trade Bynum or Critt this year for anybody. They are the Future. The 1% chance JO comes to the Lakers, it will be ODOM not Bynum that is traded. Kobe's outburst cemented the Laker Plan, which is rebuilding with youth. You think they will trade youth to bring in JO and then watch KOBE walk. Keep dreaming... The KIDS are the FUTURE!!!
I say trade everybody but Bynum and Critt. They are the untouchables..

The only player I think the Lakers should be pursuing is ARTEST... Keep Kobe, Odom, Critt, Bynum... Everybody else should be offered to the Kings including the #1 pick if needed to get ARTEST... Do you really want JO for the next 3 years at 67 million.... I don't think Buss does either...

I know the young generation demands Instant Gratification but to build a Dynasty, it takes time and patience... Didn't it take West 10 years from Showtime to KOBE and SHAQ??

We want a Dynasty not what Miami did, 1 and out....Come on this is the Lakers... JO is not the answer if it cost Odom and Bynum, that would be another Kwame Butler trade... Lakers get screwed!!!!

bd

I won't be surprised if the Lakers don't make anymore moves this summer.

They have waited too long and the opportunities have now passed them by. I think that they have taken much longer to insure that any trade they do is the best possible and have in turn waited too long. Perhaps they were afraid of making another bad trade especially considering the public pressure that has been placed on them by Kobe, media and fans.

Sometimes you have to make a decision inspite of what negative talk may follow.

By the way....Mamba.....am I going to get that number 1 spot in the roll call now?

JJ,

Glad you came back. You changed your mind quicker than Kobe does. Or are you leaving? Or staying? Well, welcome back nonetheless, glad to see you losened up a bit.

Just for your FYI I haven't worn panties since last Sunday at church. Just not as comfortable as I thought they'd be.

Laker Lover,

We've gone from having only one to three seven footers. One of them will have to shine before we are back in the game. Moore looked good last year and may offer some veteran leadership and good spurt play, but I am a bit leary. When all is said and done however, in Petrie I trust.

Sonnybelfast

awwww, always so accomodating Mamba24!

and altho i say 'dude' a lot, i'm not a 'dude', dude.

Lake-Show,

The answer is pretty simple....LOOK AT HIS NUMBERS:

ppg: 14.7
rpg: 5.4
apg: 2.9
spg: 1.4
fg: 55%!!!!!!

As far as the whole "Kobe-stopper" thing everybody (including Patterson) knew that was BS. If I remember right he and Kobe are actually friends, so that shouldn't be an issue. The dude puts up numbers on offense, and is a good defensive player, the exact thing we've all been calling for at the 3 spot, so my question to you is why not Patterson?

Andrew Z,
"I haven't worn panties since last Sunday at church"

The problem was your pants were too tight. The entire choir was laughing at your panty lines.

Lakers have taken the summer off
Miami Herald.

This is the wrong offseason for the Los Angeles Lakers to be watching from the sidelines. They need to make a move not only to excite their fans, but also to rejuvenate disgruntled superstar Kobe Bryant.

Boston and Minnesota created plenty of excitement when they completed a blockbuster trade involving All-Star forward Kevin Garnett. The Celtics dealt Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff, cash considerations and two first-round draft picks to the Timberwolves for Garnett. In exchange, Minnesota received Boston's 2009 first-round selection and will also get back the first-round draft pick the team dealt to the Celtics in a 2006 trade.

The Lakers, who for the second straight year eliminated by the Phoenix Suns in the first round of the playoffs, need to generate the same type of excitement. The spotlight shone brighter on the team after Bryant, who averaged an NBA- best 31.6 points per game in 77 contests this past season, publicly expressed his displeasure with the club.

Luke Walton and Chris Mihm re-signed with the team during the offseason, while Derek Fisher, who won three titles with the Lakers earlier in his career, re- joined the squad through free agency. Meanwhile, guard Smush Parker left L.A., inking a deal with the Miami Heat this summer.

If the franchise wants to win with Kobe, the front office needs to get him help. Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal is available, and the All-Star forward has said he would welcome a trade to the Lakers.

The Pacers missed the playoffs for the first time since 1997 this past season, and may be thinking of completely rebuilding their squad. Trading O'Neal, who led Indiana in scoring (19.4 ppg) and rebounding (9.6 rpg) during the 2006-07 campaign, would be the first step in the process.

Reportedly the Pacers want both Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom included in a deal for O'Neal. The Lakers wish to hold onto the seven-foot Bynum, who will turn 20 on October 20th, but he would most likely have to be included in a package for O'Neal.

What about Bynum, Kwame Brown, Jordan Farmar, Vladimir Radmanovic and a future first-round pick to Indiana for O'Neal? The Pacers would get a pair of young players in Bynum and Farmar, while Brown (who is in the last year of his contract) and Radmanovic would best enable the deal to work under the salary cap rules. L.A. would then possess a dangerous threesome with Bryant, O'Neal and Odom, helping to satisfy everyone including Kobe and the Laker fan base.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak needs to make a move, and Indiana is the right trading partner. Acquiring O'Neal would have Los Angeles eagerly talking about the Lakers and the upcoming season.

Tully

Nice one! Now, if I could only find a way to get my wife to learn the Rerun dance....

Andrew Z,

You just don't get it. It isn't about me being lose or taking things too personal. It's always been about people being inconsistent and irrational in their criticism and arguments. This has nothing to do with my posts. I saw it happening to others long before I started posting trade scenarios. It just doesn't make sense. Plus, you and a few others change from week to week as to your arguments. One day you say that O'Neal isn't an upgrade, the next you say he is, the next you say scrap the whole thing and trade Kobe. Which is it?

CBuck, no fair! Where were you when I was being poked and prodded defending 55 win bandwagon to the death? lol.

I'm sorry Mamba24/10 and Lakertom...I just can't go through with that again. Plus I kinda believe we created a "too much expectations" juju on the cosmos and our players ended up injured lol. But my tombstone still stands to say "She defended 55 win bandwagon" lol.

By the way, any word on the "insider"? I mean it's been months now, nothing.

No way to I relinquish my 1st billing on the Roll CALL. I'm all about Lakers today! Lakers tomorrow! Lakers forever! haha.

RE: Jorema's post that Lakers have taken the summer off...CRAPOLA!

They need to stop this sinking ship, destructive behavior. Get your butt in gear FO, we won't stand for mediocrity and ineptness. Geez, I wish Jerry West was back.

Ex,

Maybe that was it. Maybe panties aren't that bad after all.

"Lakers have taken the summer off
Miami Herald."

Yeah, like anyone in Miami can talk? What'd they do again? Sign Smush? I think that's it.

What we need more of is tall, slow guys who can't rebound. Goofy dudes chucking from three and engaging in no other part of the game? Beautiful. We should change our name to the "L.A. Matt Bullards." Let's reserve the "Lakers" moniker for an actual basketball team.

If the lakers hope to make any improvements between now and the regular season, there options will be limited and they will most likely have to give up things that they don't want to give up.

Here are the ways they have left to improve.

1. Veteran Minimum Free Agents

2. $1mil remaining for their MLE

3. Possibly an additional Veteran Exception of $1.2mil

4. Low risk to high risk trades

It would clearly be easiest and most efficent for the Lakers to utilize the first 3 options at this point BEFORE trying to use option 4. Perhaps, there is a trade out there that would fit our needs, but at this point, it isn't close to being accomplished. As it does relates to trades for the team, the most efficient process would be the following.

1. Identify the desired areas for improvement

2. Identify the expendable players and resources

3. Identify the targeted acquisitions

4. Extend offers to each of the designated teams making them more lucrative to the other teams

JJ,

My gut tells me the Kobe thing isn't gone and he should be traded. Honestly, from my personal standpoint, I would trade him. I just think it's the best thing to do for the health of the franchise.

However, when posting or discussing with others I like to look at the situation from different angles and debate accordingly. If I just sat around yelling "trade Kobe!" all day I'd be KLBeast, so I like to look at situations in different ways.

As for JO, I think trading LO and Bynum for him would be a smart move IF< AND ITS A BIG IF Kobe was 100% behind being a Laker and playing here for the rest of his career. I just think he's a much better fit, providing a completely different skill set from LO and Bynum's production isn't going to be any better than Mihm's will be, so if we have Kobe and want to "win now", moving Bynum wouldn't be that bad.

So I change the way I discuss things based on what's the most fun. If I was in charge of the organization, I'd be exploring Kobe trades right now (and I posted one with Dallas and Miami earlier) and not having anything to do with JO and his huge contract.

Mitch strategy...

"Wait for the moment when everything fall in his table with all the advantages".

That's the way they lost in Garnett, bargaining and selling Lamar as a all star or superstar of something and letting days pass as a form of put others team against the wall. Guess what ....GMs laugh in the Jim Buss/Mitch ingenuous aproach, Danny Ainge outworked him. Now they are triying to sell the idea that KG trade was already sep up. That's a lie.
At first the still want to hold up in Bynum or Lamar, offering instead Kwame.

They think others GMs are dumb.

Now with Jermaine...

Again the people without knowdleage about basketball, keep repeating that Lamar and Bynum are too much for Jermaine. Same as Mitch/JIm.
They will lost a golden opportunity of a proven all star going to his prime.

If they stick with Lamar...I will watch next year in the end of this season how people will trash Lamar as they do every year.

This is what Tex Winter say about Lamar:

"He’s a great talent, but I’m not sure how comfortable he is in a system. He’s more of an instinctive player.

When Odom makes a basket cut, he makes it the same way every time, which makes it easy for the defender,” Winter said. “I tried and tried, but I just couldn’t get him to change directions, or to change the pace, with his cuts. I tried to get him to set his man up, so that he could get deeper into the post to set up. But he used the same cut all the time, which meant that he would end up setting up in a mid-post. That made it easier to defend him. I never could get him to change it.”

I thing is time to bring another guy to Phil and Kobe, letting the good guy Lamar palying anoither year as our second best scorer is trowing away one more season.

Benny Blanca in Sac-town? That's a long way from the Bronx.

ESPN has a report that says Reggie Miller is contemplating a return to the NBA to possibly play with the Celtics. Considering the Celtics tight budget, Miller would be a bargain for them.

He's trying to get that title he's never had.

Hey Tasonum (pardon spelling)

I'm on the east coast. I read your post late.
I didn't stew but I think you're trying to guess what mix will win.
We don't know if JO and Kobe will win or JO, KOBE, and LO will win.
You have to put a team together.
We know KOBE, LO, and Bynum won't win.
In 2 yrs we can blow this up and we will have some prospects left plus many on the way.
I tend to think it will work out and we'll chase titles with Kobe and JO for 4 yrs.

Benny,

When I am not in Hilo, I am about 70 miles north of you on the western slope of the Sierra Nevadas.

First, allow me to offer my condolences on ending up in Scuba Shitty; home of Juan Corona. How on earth did you manage that? Did you pop a boil in your boss's coffee?

Secondly, I couldn't agree more that many King's fans are idiots. Subjected to the great Webber, Artest, and other debates, the resemblence between our two fan bases is uncanny. As a die-hard Niner fan, I'm also not real fond of so many fair weather Forty Whiners.

Yes, I have been extremely frustrated over the last couple plus years with decisions made by Kings ownership and coaching. Word has it that Petrie is back at the reigns and will experience minimal meddling. If this is true (and because of the deafening silence about what the team is doing it may be; Petries M.O.), I think you'll find that most Kings fans are reassured somewhat.

I think the new generation Kings will be similar to the good ball movement teams of the early 2000's, but this time, with a much greater emphasis on defense. This is also why Artest won't be given away.

Sonnybelfast

Trade proposition

Los Angeles Lakers trade Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom to the New Jersey Nets for Jason Kidd and Vince Carter.

Does this sound like too much of a blockbuster deal to come true? The Lakers would receive one of the best and smartest point guards in the league in Jason Kidd. I beleive that assistant coach Tex Winter's famed Triangle Offense could add a couple of years to Kidd's career as it would rely more on his IQ than his physical talent. Is there a better point guard for this system? With the loss of Kobe Bryant, Carter would fill in the scoring role for the Lakers. Carter is an explosive player with a long shooting range. Will he submit to the strict confines of the triangle? Being good friends with Kidd wil help him to cope, and being a wing, he will be in the most benficial role of the offensive system.
Lakers lineup
C - Kwame Brown
PF - Brian Cook
SF - Luke Walton
SG - Vince Carter
PG - Jason Kidd
THE NEW JERSEY NETS have been longing for a post scorer to take some of the pressure off of Nenad Kristic. Odom would be able to play in the post, but also be allowed to use his variable skills to draw defenders as far out as the 3-point line. Bryant would accept the role of scorer, with Jefferson playing sidekick. With these two on the floor, the pressure would be taken off of young point guard Marcus Williams, affording him the opportunity to adjust to the new weapons available to him on the floor. This move would catapult the Nets into the top 4 teams in the Eastern Conference.
Nets Lineup
C - Nenad Kristic
PF - Lamar Odom
SF - Richard Jefferson
SG - Kobe Bryant
PG - Marcus Williams

1. Mamba 24/10 Add me to the list please. I'm in.

2. I am currently under the opinion that the front office is trying to keep things quiet in order to show Kobe they have some sort of control on things. You put the word out that it will cost you your job if you leak anything, that will stop some rumors.

3. As far as JO, I don't like LO, Bynum and Critter for that deal. I would much rather try and do something with Vlad. Not sure who wants that deal though.

4. I still think they should try and do something for JKidd, I would give up some decent pieces for that. I would still like to see what Kidd could do with Farmar. I don't remember exactly what they were asking, but in my opinion was not too much over all.

5. I love Lamar but I would like to see him isn a system that would allow him to flourish and I just dont see it with Kobe around.

6. I still love Walton and Ronny and do not want to see them go anywhere.

I'm SO CONFUSED!!!

OK, this is my last post here.

bd,

"We want a Dynasty not what Miami did, 1 and out....Come on this is the Lakers... JO is not the answer if it cost Odom and Bynum, that would be another Kwame Butler trade... Lakers get screwed!!!!"

Dynasty would be nice, but if the Lakers are thinking dynasty 5 years from
now, then they should trade Kobe now while he's at his peak value and
they can get a lot for him.

But the truth of the matter is, you can never predict what will happen 5
years from now. Bynum might be an all-star or he might be a bust.
Crittendon might be the Lakers version of Shaun Livingston -- lots of
promise, but never really becomes great and then suffers a career
delaying (ending?) injury right as he's supposed to be coming into his
own. Kobe could opt out and walk away for nothing but cap space.

In the NBA you don't need 10 or 12 great players to win it. Two or three
great players with the right role players around them is the norm. If
you have one great player and can get another great player right now,
then you should seriously consider it if you truly want to compete now.

So there are three paths the Lakers could consider:

1. If they believe either Odom or Bynum will improve enough to be the
second great player THIS YEAR, then they should stand pat. If they
believe in the team as it is, then they feel that winning will change
Kobe's mind.

2. If they aren't sure about Odom or Bynum, and they want to win NOW,
then they should make a trade for O'Neal. What I'd suggest is that they
offer Odom or Bynum, but with Indiana throwing in a conditional draft
pick: If the Lakers fail to win at least 45 games next season or JO fails
to play at least 60 games, then Indiana will give the Lakers their
2008 first round draft pick. That way, if the Lakers don't improve with
Jermaine, then they'll get a (probably high) draft pick to help in the
rebuilding that will inevitably follow.

3. If they aren't sure about Odom or Bynum, and they want to slowly
build a dynasty, then they should trade Kobe now, while his value is
high and teams know that the Lakers could just keep him another year.
Of course, this only applies if Kobe definitely still wants out and if he
will expand his list enough to allow the Lakers to wheel-and-deal a bit
to get some value for him.

Considering the decreasing likelihood that O'Neal is coming to Los Angeles, I have a new trade sceanrio that I would like the Lakers to pursue. Yes.....I know a few of you are waiting to cut it up....and you can do so, but please at least do me the favor of reading it through and attempting to understand the reasoning behind it before you start tearing it apart.

Lakers end Jordan Farmar, Brian Cook, Kwame Brown and future draft pick(s) to the T-Wolves in exchange for Juwan Howard and Marko Jaric.

First let me say that to me, this trade is definitely leaning in favor of the T-Wolves. They give up two long contracts for 3 short ones including one that will expire at the end of next season. The coupled with Ratliff's contract would give them plenty of cash to go after some top free agents next summer. Jaric is one player they have been rumored to want to move since before last season. Considering that Hudson is gone, it is likely that they would welcome an additional point guard (Farmar). In Cook they would receive a serviceable shooter with a hig percentage from beyond the arc. His shooting replaces Jaric's and he's much cheaper. Brown, for at least one year, would be another big body to work with the others and add some depth. On top of that, they would also receive some additional draft picks for the future. Like I said, this trade favors Minnesota in my estimation.

The lakers on the other hand, although probably giving up more on paper, would take a decent step towards filling some holes. Howard isn't an all-star but he is a serviceable big man that can startand does shoot a solid percentage around the basket. He has the mid range jump shot which would fit in the Triangle. He has mentioned his desire to be on the Lakers before. His presence would allow Odom to move to small forward as the starter. Jaric adds more depth at guard/forward. Although his defense is terrible, he is a good shooter. He's more expensive than Cook, but he is more mobile which would make him hopefully a better producer in the Triangle Offense. As was stated by someone before, the Lakers need more movement in the offense....he runs a lot on offense and is a spot up jump shooter. Here would be my lineups.

FYI....I would sign an additional minimum contract to someone like Melvin Ely or someone that is not expensive.

Starters: Fisher, Bryant, Odom, Howard, Bynum
Reserves: Crittenton, Evans, Walton, Jaric, Radmanovic, Turiaf, Mihm
IR: Vujacic, Ely

Well.....AZ, EX, EG, go ahead and cut it up!

sonnybelfast,

The beautiful, ableit wet, city of Hilo. Loved going to the fish auction there. I lived on the Big Island for almost three years and I have to say, other than the delayed sports broadcasts, its heaven on earth. The fact that the other place you live is in the Sierra Nevadas makes me realize you have some things figured out right, even if that being a Kings fan attempts to prove otherwise.

Unless we make some changes I don't fall in the 55 bandwagon.

With that said,

Colorado still loves the Lakers! (Currently in Spurs city)

JJ,

Not a bad deal. Any way that works where we get Trenton Hassel instead of Marko Jaric? Hassell is a really good perimeter defender and would be more beneficial, in my mind, than Jaric (plus Jaric's contract sucks).

Minny might not want Cook back either just because they seem to want to take back no contracts longer than this season.

Good idea though. I say Ricky Davis and Trenton Hassell for Kwame Brown and Sasha Vujacic. They get two expirings, we get a Sixth Man who can light it up and perimeter defender. Davis expires so there's no real danger there and Hassell is about $4-$5 for only two more years.

And nothing makes those frosty winter nights more bearable than the Sasha face. Warms you to the bone!

It's just a game Andrew.

Why did you leave the Big Island?

jorema:
A starting lineup with Kwame, Cook and Walton in it???
We'd give up an average of 120 points and win about 25 games.
I guess if we want a chance to draft OJ Mayo or K. Love next year it mnight be a good trade.

The D,

"Benny Blanca in Sac-town? That's a long way from the Bronx."

Sad, huh? I went into witness protection about three years back. The Feds figured if they sent me to Sac with a cow bell around my neck, i'd blend right in.

taoshum (from previous thread),

it may be revisionist history, but they still experimented when they didnt need to. bynum was a project. he wasnt proven by lesser standards. granger was almost game ready. who had the better rookie season? smush was a bargain, but he was a journeyman who couldnt hang in phx or anywhere else. you have to believe he was only there because of the defunct 08 plan, so he was an experiment. i personally didnt like the caron trade. jordan didnt like kwame, the city didnt like him, so i felt he could of been had for less, but it dont matter what i think. caron was a consistant scorer. lakers gave up stability for a experiment (again). lo and behold, butler became an all star. theres more examples but this post has been long enough, and thats without me bringing up shaq, and the other nba players who wanted to play here's. if the laker front office did its job, this team should have still been a contender.

JJ,

yea i thought about your trade scenario and i got to say your either losing it or got too much free time on your hands (probably both).
ok lets assume we dont need farmar's services and he is expendable, same applies to cook and brown.. why then give away these trading chips in return for howard and jaric.. first off there is no way i would do a stupid trade like this and potentially lose out on 3 trading chips even if we end up not making any trades this year we would much more benefit from relief of kwame contract next year and can sign somebody slightly better then howard and jaric with that money, patience is key here.. AK and BK i think have been saying this all along DO NOT MAKE A TRADE BASED SOLELY ON APPEASING KOBE, even though i have no idea here how this would anyway appease kobe, what is your trade scenario again?!?!

WAZZUPPP Blogger family....

As far as the ratings are concerned. I would put lakers in the Top 6. Reasons:
Portland is not better with Greg Oden. He is big but will he match up well with the Spurs, Amare, Dallas who plays outside instead of inside, The Lakers who plays the triangle (when run well, should score at will especially if you have KB24 on your tesm....Which he is), Golden State who runs and uses an up tempo type basketball (Greg Oden can't keep up), Utah position per position is better except for the center position, and lets not forget Houston Rockets who has the talest Chinese in the game, and T-Mac and some other characters that could give Portland a hard time. Oh yeah, Nuggets is also there. They are much more refined than the young Blazers.
Now let me point out more teams out. Phoenix will always be at least the top three if not #1. San Antonio really didn't make any improvements and they are a year older. Parker also had an injury this summer so he may not be effective until after the second half. Tim will always be Tim, but older. Dallas made some improvements this year and so I expect them to be better. Maybe the top team in the west, but can't get it together in the playoffs. Golden state will be the big surprise this year. I can actually see them in the top 7.
Okay with that all said here is my ranking:

1 Dallas
2 Phoenix
3 Utah
4 San Antonio
5 Lakers
6 Houston
7 Golden State
8 Denver
9 Portland
10 New Orleans
11 Seattle
12 Minnesota

That's all folks!!!
GO LAKERS
"55 WIN BANDWAGON"

Juno

Sonny,

I understand building around the defense and the desire to keep Artest, but aren't you afraid he'll opt out and leave? I think the draw of the bright lights of New York or LA will be too much for Impulsive Artest. I don't see a guy who likes attention as much as Artest finishing his career quietly up here in Nor Cal.
It seems to me that the Kings are stuck in between. Do you feel like they have the talent or right pieces to compete? Half their lineup is geared to out score their opponents. The other half wants to play slow it down beat-em-up defensive basketball.
They are burried under the contracts of Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas and Abdur-Rahim. You've got young talent in Kevin Martin (needs to round out his game with better D and handles) and decent role type guys like Garcia and Willimas.
Bibby is their best trade piece (especially since he doesn't even know what D is). But, what do want in return for Bibby? I would think you should go with a little more young talent and draft picks.

Rockin' pneumonia and the boogaloo flu

I would not be surprised tonight if Jimmy Kimmel introduces Kobe Byrant, the audience applaudes and out walks RIC BUCHER!

Bird wants Walton????

I'm not surprised given that he played with his dad and tends to like slow white boys with high basketball IQ's. Hell, he singlehandedly proved slow white boys with skills can be great in this league.

Anyway we may not be able to dump Cook and Sacha on him like I hoped, but I believe the numbers on Kwame, Bynum and Walton for JO work. And much as I'd like to keep Luke I'd jump at that trade. Even if they want one of our young PG's too.

If we can hold on to Lamar and have Fish facilitating (and mentoring whichever young PG is left) I believe we can make a championship run with JO. I'd take Kobe/JO/ Lamar 3 on 3 against KG/Allen/Pierce any day.
We'd need some backup at SF for Rad but I think its ultimately a trade that would give Kobe, JO, and Bird what they all want and return the Lakers to greatness.

sonny,

My soon to be wife was a tad homesick and all our family is here in SoCal. I was on the dry side but my favorite place on the island was the Hamaku coast. Beautiful country out there.

JJ,
You're kidding, right?

Howard is not worth 7M per year anymore, especially with a two year contract. 34 years old; not that good a defender anymore. Relatively small for a PF (6'9") And he would be guarding the PFs in the West. No 3 point shooting, which the team would want, for "spreading the floor" considering that the SF (Lamar) and PG (Fisher) are mediocre at best at that skill.

Jaric is too expensive to be subbing for Kobe, especially considering his lack of defense. Because of that, Evans and (later) Crittendon are better choices for filling in for Kobe. That puts Jaric at SF; since you have Odom filling that spot, that gives the Lakers Walton, Vlad (assuming Turiaf is the primary sub at PF), and Jaric at SF off the bench. 16 M for backup SFs? For four years? When none of them are even halfway decent defensively?

The Lakers were poor defensively last year, so you give up Kwame, and add Jaric and Howard? And move Odom to SF, where he will have problems matching up with a lot of SFs?

Plus the team loses Kwame's expiring contract, which rules out the possibility of picking up someone decent in a mid-season trade. And rules out decent free agent signings for an additional year, beyond the point that the team is already stuck in.

andrew z

"The beautiful, ableit wet, city of Hilo."

isn't BJ Penn from Hilo?

JJ

"ESPN has a report that says Reggie Miller is contemplating a return to the NBA to possibly play with the Celtics. Considering the Celtics tight budget, Miller would be a bargain for them."

isn't Reggie "the original unatural elbow" Miller 105-years-old? the guy sure looks like it with his skeleton face. Maybe we can get Kenny and Chuck to make a comeback too?

JJ, AZ,

I like where both of you are going. In Minnesota we'd be dealing with a team that accepts they are rebuilding. Kwame's expiring contract would be really attractive to them.

I've always liked Howard. However, since he was just recently traded we couldn't get him until around December.

So what about helping Minnesota clear space for some of their new perimeter players and focus on just Hassell? I've long been of the opinion that a defensive minded SF is our number one need. So how about a straight up Cookie for Hassell? we may have to include a draft pick or some cash to make the figures/incentive work, but i think that helps both teams.

JJ,

i didn't want to bore you with a long and ongoing post but i should add that along with what i've mentioned is also the consideration that Kwame may be a much needed big body even if it is for just one more year, Farmar will most likely be needed to backup Fish, even with j critt, its not bad having a few guys that can run the point especially when you dont want a rookie as your first option as a reserve, also considering somebody gets injured. With Cook we all know he can shoot and the lakers should benefit still from his shooting as he has gotten better every year so far. I think it just boils down to familiar faces and team chemistry and you wouldn't want to necessarily let these guys go for essentially nothing especially if your hoping to pull some sort of trade before february. Howard would be excellent had we gotten him on vet minimum and Jaric is not gonna make the slightest improvement in phils system

Mamba 24/10,
Thanks for including me in the roll call!! I made it!! hahaha I’ve been a reader of the blog since last year, but only post every now and then. Please add me to the “constant reader, occasional writer bandwagon”...
Go Lakers!

JJ

I like AZ's prop better. RIcky Buckets is going to be good for a while now. He has a much better points per game average than any of the other Lakers last year and that is playing with Garnett. He can step up. He is the tall type guard that PJ prefers. He can be a good 2nd option.

TWoody

Blkthght06:

Here is how we can trade for JO and still keep LO:

Since the Lakers are over the salary cap, they can “acquire up to 125% plus $100,000 of the salaries they are trading in a simultaneous trade.”

See NBA Salary Cap FAQ http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#68

If the Lakers send Indy Andrew Bynum ($2,172,000), Kwame Brown ($9,075,000), Brian Cook ($3,500,000), and Jordan Farmar ($1.009,560), they will be sending total salaries of $15,756,560. They will then be able to acquire up to 125% of that amount plus $100,000, or $19,795.70 in order for the trade to meet salary cap rules.

Since JO will earn $19,710,000 next year, the Lakers will be able to take him back for the four players listed above. Note they can include draft picks and up to $3,000,000 in cash but neither can be used to calculate total salaries.

Tom

KLBeast,

"isn't BJ Penn from Hilo?"

Yes BJ Penn is from there. Do you roll or train in anything?

[REPOST from previous thread]

Laker Tom,

Can you please provide your rationale/explanation as to how the Lakers and Pacers can structure a deal that complies with the collective bargaining agreement agreement and does not encrouch upon the luxury tax threshold (per Jerry Buss' mandate) where the Lakers acquire Jermaine O'Neil while keeping Lamer Odom?

I ask because I have read several of your posts where you suggest this, but as I have explained earlier in this thread there is no way for this to be accomplished given the respective positions of the teams. You sound like a knowledgable poster, but it gets annoying to keep reading the same implausible suggestion that you and others keep posting. Please enlighten me. Please enlighten the entire blog community for that matter.

charles

"Yes BJ Penn is from there. Do you roll or train in anything?"

nah, i have friends to did it and i don't think it's for me. i'll stick with b-ball and weight lifting to stay in shape. you?

Juno

"55 WIN BANDWAGON"

juno what, jou all just crazy.....po-tum-pump....i'll be in all week, thank you.

Aloha KL

I take exception to your wet city of Hilo remark. I live just south of Hilo and it hasnt rained for at least an hour and a half.

Aloha Andrew Z

Right on, east Hawaii is the most beautiful place in maybe all of the islands. Next time you are over take a horse back ride through Waipio Valley. Simply amazing.

MH

Tom,

Thanks for the clarification. Although the numbers work under the cap, you put together a hodge podge of sub-par talent players that Indiana would never accept. They would be better off letting JO walk and using the money to sign far better players than Cook and Farmar.

Also, your explanation only addresses half of the dilemma I raised. The 125% of salary that the Lakers will be taking back WILL SURELY EXPOSE THE LAKERS TO LUXURY TAX. Remember, Buss has stated that he will not pay luxury tax unless its for a superstar, and JO is not a superstar. Owners avoid luxury tax like the plague because not only do you have to pay it, BUT YOU ALSO LOSE OUT ON THE MONEY THAT THE LEAUGE COLLECTS FROM LUXURY TAX TEAMS AND DISTRIBUTES TO TEAMS THAT DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE LUXURY TAX. It's a double whammy. Jerry Buss and his bean-counters know this.

Again, there is no scenaro that I see where the Lakers can acquire JO and keep LO. I wish it weren't so, because the trio of KB, LO, and JO would be dynamic. But the reality of the situation is that it is extremely unlikely. Notice that I didn't completely foreclose the idea because Jerry Buss may change his mind in the event that the Kobe situation further detiorates. But I doubt this since Kobe is under contract for 2 more years.

Thanks again for taking the time to explain.

Blkthght06:

I ignored any ramifications related to the luxury tax as it will NOT be a reason preventing us from doing the right deal. I think more and more teams will opt to pay the luxury tax in order to compete in the current atmosphere.

Here is a recap of the teams that paid a luxury tax in 2005/6 and 2006/7 as well as the project tax for 2007/8 from the NBA Salary Cap FAQ:

2005-06 $61.7 million*
Over: Knicks ($37.2), Mavs ($17.3), Magic ($7.8), Pacers ($4.7), Grizzlies ($3.7), Spurs ($0.9)

2006-07 $65.42 million
Over: Knicks ($45.1), Mavs ($7.2), Nuggets ($2.0), T-Wolves ($1.0), Spurs ($0.2)

2007-08 $67.865 million

Tom

Long Time Laker Fan,

I hear you on what you are saying. I agree. But my thinking is this...
Kobe is walking...gone no doubt about it. 2 years or whenever but gone.
The reason why Kobe is so quite?? The Lakers have assured him they will trade him this year or by the beginning of next year.

So I agree with you stating that they should trade him now to get the something fair in return like youth w/talent. Kobe has been given enough time to state how he feels currently and hasn't and it is clear that Bucher is his mouthpiece.

Being a business owner and thinking if I was Buss and after that outburst, it would only confirm even more that the rebuilding plan is still the correct decision to make. Reason why, even if there is a 1% chance he might walk, then I would never trade the YOUTH and FUTURE to appease him..

I think we pretty much have the team we are going to see other than something small with KWAMES contract and maybe a couple of roll players being traded. BUT you will not see Bynum or Critt moved due to KOBE"S outburst....

Nice talking to you. Tk care.

bd

BJ Penn is definitely from Hilo and has his studio there. Whenever there is a MMA event, the best fights usually occur outside, after the event. Those dudes like to fight.

Does anyone like this trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~2760~615~2773~990~1717~2772~703&teams=18~13~13~18~11~11~13~11&te=2748:11-2813&cash=

LakerTom,

Bynum+Brown+Cook+Farmar has an additional benefit to Indiana,
in that it immediately reduces their payroll by 4 million dollars.

I actually like that deal (probably with a pick or two thrown in, as they're
not likely to go for just Bynum & Farmar as the meat of the deal).

Indy is reportedly also looking to get rid of Jamaal Tinsley, so if they
wanted more than what you listed above, Tinsley could be added to
Indy's side and Radmanovic could be added to the Lakers side. It's
not a great upgrade, but they'd get rid of a player who has alienated
himself with the city for one who hasn't lived up to his mid-level contract.

The Lakers would be in luxury tax hell with either of these deals, but
They'd have Kobe, Lamar, and Jermaine and they'd have exactly the
same free agent contracts to offer for the next couple of years.

Blkthght06,

The Lakers are already in the luxury tax for this year. Adding more salary by acquiring Jermaine will only add to the
amount of luxury tax paid, unless they manage to create a deal where the Lakers send Indy about a million more salary
than they get back. Possible, but not likely.

LTLF:

Good point about Indy reducing their payroll by $4M. Of course, that means we increased our payroll by the same amount but who cares. Jerry Buss will pay it and then get it back compounded via increases in ticket prices, marketing of Laker merchandise, local TV and radio revenues, and increased franchise value due to having a championship competitive team.

You are also right that the deal gives both sides a good base upon which to start. We could throw in up to $3M in cash and one of two draft picks or another player like Sasha to sweeten the deal. Or both sides could switch bad contracts in the form of Tinsley for Radman as you suggested. At any rate, the key is that to get Jermaine in a legal deal we would need to send players with salaries that total at least $15, 700.00.

Tom

LakerTom and Long Time Laker Fan,

Indy making a trade for JO without packaging another of the Murphy-Tinsley-Dunleavy contracts is pointless. For one, Bynum, Granger, Diogu and Williams will all be getting extensions or become free agents at the same time. While this would be fine since they would be the young core they build around, the fact is the Pacers would still have about $25 million a year tied up in the Crappy Trio, and then another $20 million or so in these young guys. Now that makes 8 players under contract for $45 million and the best of the bunch at the time is Danny Granger?? Doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me. Sounds like a capped out, possible luxury-taxed, team that absolutely sucks.

So when you boil it all down, the Pacers are better off holding onto JO until they can get a deal where they can attach one of the other bad contracts with him.

For all our problems here in Lakerland, nothing compares to what they are facing in Indiana. That shite is a mess.

The big question for me is, if Kobe opts out, who is available next year? I only ask this because if we can JO and keep Lamar, that's a fairly solid set of big men.

On top of that, my biggest concern is not to placate Kobe, but to keep the Lakers at least playoff contenders until we can make that breakout deal to get another superstar, Kobe or not.

In the end, the Lakers need to protect the franchise. If we sell our future at the expense of the present, these past 3 seasons could very well be regarded as the good old days.

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THE CHRONICLES OF SERGEANT KOBE: Part 11
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SERGEANT KOBE: General Kupchak, I have good news...

GENERAL KUPCHAK: What... you saved saved a bunch of money on your rifle insurance...

SERGEANT KOBE: Haha, very funny... maybe you should be a comedian instead of a General...

GENERAL KUPCHAK: Huh?

SERGEANT KOBE: Nevermind... anyway, I convinced Major O'Neal to join us and help defend the fort from our western foes.

GENERAL KUPCHAK: Why would we want to take back that overweight, lazy soldier...

SERGEANT KOBE: No, not Lieutenant Shaq... Major O'Neal... Major Jermaine O'Neal.

GENERAL KUPCHAK: Oh... well, thats great! Let me send out the order....

SERGEANT KOBE: ...You were saying...

GENERAL KUPCHAK: Umm, what i meant to say was, we don't need him.

SERGEANT KOBE: What?!

GENERAL KUPCHAK: We have enough soldiers as it is. Besides, we have Private Kwame, who is the same size and position as Major O'Neal... all we have to do is cut off Kwame's hair and the enemy won't know the difference... Private Kwame!

PRIVATE KWAME: Who else wants a face full of frosting?

GENERAL KUPCHAK: Private Kwame, put that cake down and get over here!

PRIVATE KWAME: Yes sir...

GENERAL KUPCHAK: Tell Private Cook to come in here with his bayonet. We're about to give you an "extremely painful makeover"...

Gunner,

"'DIDN'T JARRETT JACK PUT 25 POINTS UP ON US IN THE STAPLES LAST YEAR? I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S A POINT GUARD. AND ROY?"

Are you talking about games, matchups, playoff seeding, or power rankings???

Sure Jack scored points on us in one game..that doesnt make him an all-star. We all know the Lakers play to the level of their competition. Its why the Lakers could beat the Mavs and Spurs and then lose to the Bobcats..Doesnt mean the Bobcats were Eastern Conference title contenders does it???

You are worried about the Rookie of the Year? Did he suddenly get better than Kobe??? And about Jarret Jack, they drafted Sergio Rodgriguez, Taurean Green, traded for Rudy Fernandez, and signed Steve Blake...doesnt sound like they're lookin at Jack as the future at PG does it????

Greg Oden may be a differene-maker...if he becomes the best rookie ever in the NBA..which COULD happen. Im not discounting that. Durant looks really good, maybe Oden will be great when he gets healthy and rested. But are the Blazers better than the Lakers??? NO WAY..

The sleeper team next year in the West IS NOT THE BLAZERS..its the HORNETS..

I dont know why all of you keep ranking them so low. Last year they would have made the playoffs over the warriors if they were healthy the whole year..

The Hornets Lineup:
C Chandler
PF West
SF Butler/Stojakovic
SG Peterson
PG Paul

Chandler will make an all star team, paul will make an all-star team. David west is good for 15 and 10..and Mo Pete who they just acquired can score too. Butler outplayed Kobe a couple times last year (not saying hes better, but Butler is decent) and Peja if hes healthy can play too as he showed last year..

Dont sleep on the Hornets. They're closer to being like the Jazz than you may think.

But please dont give me crap about the Blazers being better than the Lakers.

Gunner I dont dislike you i actually like reading what you write..but the Blazers???

LTLF:

Although the Lakers will be in luxury tax land, one good aspect of the JO trade is that the Lakers will have the option to really get under the salary cap and go after top level free agents if the KB-JO-LO trio does not win a championship. After two years (at the end of 2008/9), they will have potentially $36M in expiring contracts with Lamar and Kobe, assuming that Kobe opts out, which he may do even if he is staying with the Lakers, maybe even to accept a lower salary so that the Lakers can bring in