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USA! USA! USA!

OK, the chant is probably a little much, considering America was pretty much guaranteed a victory no matter how yesterday's US Hoops intrasquad scrimmage shook out.  But don't tell that to Kobe Bryant, who swelled with pride after his Blue team emerged victorious in squeaker fashion.  Pride over his 26 points.  Pride over his D on LeBron James down the stretch.  And pride when it comes to pulling that patriotic tank top over his head, a simple act of putting on a shirt that Bryant considered long overdue, especially for an old-school cat like himself.  Another act Kobe might consider long overdue was his teaming up with Jason Kidd, a duo-ization that tickles the Mamba a red, white and blue shade of pink.  But even if he can't help but picture the pair doing their thing in Laker unis, Kobe's leaving that subject untouched.  Or any purple and gold topic, for that matter.  The New Jack Bauer would prefer the talk remain international hoops-centric, or at the very least, not "What does Kobe want-centric."

As one would expect in this day and age, the Tim Donaghy YouTube montages are beginning to emerge.  Despite an exhaustive search, I couldn't find any clips of low-level heavies making Donaghy an offer he couldn't refuse, but I do expect this storyline to appear on "Law & Order" in the near future.  Scenes will include a gaming expert testifying how it can be tough to spot a scheme and Donaghy's peers worrying that they'll get lumped in with their co-worker.  Tim Donaghy, this is your life. 

-- AK

 
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"I'll bet Donaghy was reffing, and that's why Kobe's side won."

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As usual, Kobe being Kobe. The best player in the NBA. That's it.

Looking foward for that Gold medal.

Silly haters make Kobe more popular than he should be:
They follow Kobe movements as hard as Kobe lovers.
They make Kobe the most talked player in the league, the most
polarizing.
While Lebron and the others just managed one or 2 reporters, Kobe was the main
attraction.

If I were a Kobe hater I would instruct my colleagues just to ignore Kobe, because if he is looking for attention hating him and making him the center of our living day talking and dissecting every move he makes, is giving him what he wants.

It'll be great when Kobe gets his Olympic Gold and I hope he does. Go USA!

I told you Kobe is a quick learner. He's maturing, too.

He readily admits that he wishes he handled the trade stuff differently. He wants to keep things in-house.

He even admits that one of his biggest regrets is not being able to work out his relationship with Shaq (Lebatard, Miami Herald, Christmas 2006).

Kobe is one of those artists who will only be fully appreciated once his career is long done. Only then, objectivity will win out, and we will see that we were able to witness a basketball virtuouso, and how much of that was wasted on horrible teams and teammates (with most of the fault going to the Laker's front office).

I hope this isn't the last win for Team USA this summer...

What station is broadcasting the games? Regardless of what one thinks of Kobe, his presence undoubtedly makes things more interesting for team USA (which is good for everybody).

Man, Kobe Haters would have a field day if he has made this statement instead of Lebron James:

Talking about Jason Kidd:
“You just have to run the floor and he’s going to find you,” James said. “That’s the best part of my game, running the floor. I don’t have the luxury of that back in Cleveland. This is a treat. It’s going to be a little disappointing when it’s all over and I have to go back.”

Is that being a bad leader? Dissing your teammates? Whatever.

Exhelodrvr,
KL is having trouble logging on, and asked me to post this:
"I'll bet Donaghy was reffing, and that's why Kobe's side won."

Damn, Ex you beat me to it. lol!

I NOMINATE KOBE FOR ANOTHER ALL-STAR MVP AWARD. Whoope-dee-doo. How about taking the lakers past the 1st round?

exhelodrvr

i appreciate the reference, but i will give kobe his props. Kobe made a wonderful shot over Tay Prince in another All-Star Game. Now, i'd like to see kobe take a shot over Prince in the NBA Finals.

AK,

What, no Harry Potter references or jokes?

Did the blue team win because of the Las Vegas connections of Donaghy? Was there a point-shaving in that scrimmage? Don Aghy said that he would reveal all his contact players. Could you guess if there is anybody playing in the USA team? Are these players playing for the country, for the team, for themselves or for the mob? From now on every NBA games, we should be asking questions.

Kudos to Kobe for his performance for team USA.

But I need to talk about what happened a couple of days ago because it flew under the radar and its really important.

KUPCAKE was about to TRADE LO for Gerald Freaking WALLACE!!

IS he totally nuts???? The "star" of the Shaq trade for a guy who couldn't even start 2 years ago?? He thinks Wallace is the impact player that will make Kobe happy?? Thank God MJ nixed the trade. Can you imagine if in the end what we got for Shaq was Butterfingers Brown and Wallace?? No disrespect to Gerald but he's not an all star or impact player. Does ANYONE doubt that we have the WORST GM in the league???

In the old days WE used to ship out 3 schlubs for the likes of Wilt or Kareem. Now we're reduced to being the team that gives up the star center for 3 schlubs. Oh, and if by mistake we get decent players like Butler or Odom, our GM will trade THEM for schlubs. HELP!!!!!!

The only thing I can think of is that Kupcake believes that Odom's injuries will never heal, or that he's not even possibly good enough to be our #2 star. In which case WHY NOT ship him to the Pacers along with Bynum for JO? Bynum and Wallace will help our team more than JO??? What planet is Kupcake on??? Somebody please tell me ANY justification for this move other than that Kupcake needs a lobotomy!

KL Beast,
"I NOMINATE KOBE FOR ANOTHER ALL-STAR MVP AWARD. Whoope-dee-doo. How about taking the lakers past the 1st round?"

Beast, Beast, I'm begging you. You've got to stop this now. I mean bashing Kobe's OK, nobody's perfect so that's
cool. But this constant reiterating the same thing over and over, if I didn't know better I would say you are not a
Beast at all but a sentinent computer who has blew some of his chips and can do nothing but repeat one stale
piece of programming over and over. Come on Beast, you're better than that. Even the devil get's his due
don't you think Kobe deserves just a tiny whiny little praise now and then. Come on, I bet if you say just
one nice thing about the Mamba you'll feel so good that you'll want to say more and more and soon you'll
be a kobe lover to. TRY IT YOU'LL LIKE IT. I'M PULLING FOR YOU BEAST

Kobe haters tactics are working in Kobe favor.

Example:

When the NBA have some troubles with news they don't want.....they just divert the attention from those news in filling the agencies with a different tune for some days with the hope of eclipsing the bad one.

In this case, is hard to take out merit from Kobe heroics. And let me tell you something, There is already a rivalry
going on between Lebron and Kobe.

Lebron commit a hard foul against Kobe and tried to humilliates him.

AFTER THAT, Kobe DECIDED TO teach Lebron the same teaching he did to TMAC and ARENAs, and both of them after that started a depressing period and a subpar performance in the NBA.

Last nigh Kobe showed Lebron that he isn't in his league. And I will tell you one more think, Lebron's psique was broken by Kobe. Don't be amazed if Lebron would never be a clutch player , because clutching moments show really who is a real legend or not, who is a fake superstars and who is the best of the best. You could d see that Lebron is afraid of those moments and now, with Kobe lesson, maybe will be forever. KOBE put fear and doubts in his mind and ther isn't NBA referees to bail him out this time.

jormea

"While Lebron and the others just managed one or 2 reporters, Kobe was the main
attraction."

i agree, hence, the lakers went from title contenders to a circus show. Kobe=Sideshow Kob.

Edwin Gueco,
"Did the blue team win because of the Las Vegas connections of Donaghy? Was there a point-shaving in that scrimmage?"
Fear not Edwin, young Harry Potter will make all right in the NBA world again.

Jay Jay,

Obviously, if the Lakers were trying to work out this Wallace for LO trade, they had something else in mind as a follow-up to it. They would not have made that trade with that being the only move.

As for Mitch, I believe it's time that people give him a rest. Whatever you think of him or his basketball decisions, complaining about it won't change a thing.

JayJay,
The rumor is that aquiring Gerald Wallace was a first step in a bigger trade, possibly for KG.

Kobe Apologist, the incidents are not comparable.

It is surprising Lebron would say something like that but at the same time compare with what Kobe said, which was by name, speaking about a specific player in Bynum saying, "ship his ass out!". Vastly different. Even Kobe acknowledged how bad that was and said he has apologized to Bynum.

Where is Anderson Varejao when you really need him? It's a good thing Varejao is Brazilian. Lebron James was looking for Varejao to pass to him to make the winning shot! LOL!

Excuse me... Lebron is a great player but definitely not clutch... at this point in his career anyway. Enough with the Lebron > Kobe comparisons!

LEBRON = NOT CLUTCH!!!

Jay Jay:

Kupchak wasn't going to trade Odom for Wallace... he obviously backed out. How can the guy get criticism for a move that he didn't do and obviously shouldn't have? It's a mystery.

Jay Jay

I didn't hear about that one but its obvious that Kupcake needs to walk away gracefully. People keep making excuses, that it the salary cap or lux tax or what ever... In the end there is no reason that we shouldn't make a switch at GM.

I know the whole gambling scandal is just beginning to unfold, but as of now, I still think the rogue ref has done less damage to his image and credibility than Kobe has this summer.

Im still waiting for my apology from him.

" GREAT JOB, BROWNEE"
David Stern as George W Bush?

Tim Donaghy, the NBA referee at the center of an FBI gambling investigation, received an above-average evaluation from his superiors for the past season, according to a person close to the embattled ref. "The league was extremely pleased with his progress," the source said. "They thought it was his best year." Donaghy, 40, allegedly bet on NBA games, including some that he officiated during the past two seasons. He resigned less than two weeks ago. Despite claims from friends and neighbors yesterday that Donaghy had been the target of a private investigator hired by the NBA to look into his gambling habits, the league continued to increase his workload. "The playoffs are a reward," said a retired NBA referee, who asked not to be identified. "(Donaghy) made it to the second round (of the playoffs). From everything I heard, he was on track to referee third-round games next season." -- NY Daily News

Sorry to go off the topic for the thread, but this was too good to pass up. If Katrina was the watershed moment for President Bush, will this be the same for David Stern? At the pace the Justice system moves, this story is likely to dominate headlines well into the NBA season. Will we be bombarded with more "NBA Cares" spots on television to distract us from the ugly reality of this scandal? Does Stern think that would even work?

As we watch Barry Bonds chase Hank Aaron's record under the shadow of the steroid controversy which could lead to a grand jury indictment, and Michael Vick struggle to keep his day job while battling the dog fighting indictment, now all three of our major sports have become a sideshow in the larger circus. It almost makes the Kobe Bryant soap opera look tame by comparison. But just like all politics is local, at least on this blog our obsession is likely to stay focused on the future of the Lakers.

Jay Jay,

Yea i caught that too Jay. Yea I dont understand what the front office is doing. I would also make the LO and Bynum deal for Oneal now. All Kobe needs is an inside presence with outside shooters and he can take over this league. Get it done Kupcake!

lakers offseason thus far:

added/kept:

jcrit
dfish
mihm
luke

let go:

smush
shammond
mckie

time to:

deal lamar & socks for jermaine o'neal.

i love lamar but it is time for him to go. the kobe-lamar tandem experiment has given us mediocre (at best) results.

we will never be an elite team with lamar as our second option.

face facts laker fans.

yeah, we might be rolling the injury dice with o'neal, yet lamar has been hit by the injury bug many times as well.

inside presence is what we need.

kupchak, you made the right moves by adding derek fisher, draftin jcrit, and resigning luke and mihm.

now make the deal for jo and let's go on a 3-4 year title hunt!

c'mon lake show!

Mamba24

In all seriousness, kobe's stuck in the position of damned if you do, damned if you don't, catch-22 scenario. as a true laker fan, i don't care so much as how kobe does indivudually, but how the laker team does collectively. i fear the inherent problem with the lakers is that too much focus is on how kobe does indivudually and not how does kobe do as a leader of the laker team. this is the core reason to why i won't let fans forget the greater objective (championships, not "whoop-dee-doos").

BTW, it was a great game and kobe proved why he is one of the best, if not the best, player in the league. How was that my friend (no joke, i consider you a friend within the blogging world)?

It's been a few days, and I'm not sure if anybody mentioned it already, but just in case:

KG was at the L.A. Galaxy game this weekend, on Saturday. He was up in one of those luxary boxes. It was kinda cool to see him there, hangin out with the other L.A. fans. No, I'm not saying it means anything. It was just cool to see him in L.A. (even if it wasn't in a Lakers uni.)

CALI KING

KLBeast,
"BTW, it was a great game and kobe proved why he is one of the best, if not the best,
player in the league. How was that my friend (no joke, i consider you a friend within the blogging world)?"

Beast you earned yourself no criticisms from me for the rest of the week. As I said to you several months ago
you helped me out of a tough spot mentally and for that I will always consider you a friend. Kobe bashing
friend yes, but friend indeed.

Mamba24,

I would also like to add that kobe presently still wants to be traded out of LA. TJ Simers tried to pin kobe on his stance on the trade demand and got stonewalled.

CALI KING,

yeah i saw that too. kg has a house in malibu (for several years now) and probably uses it as the summer pad.

that is why there have been "kg to la" rumors for several years now.

if kg is content in minny, i say cool - to each his own.

let's get the closest thing with jermaine o'neal.

BLog survey:

Who should play Donaghy in the movie?

How 'bout Adam Sandler who could play up the fun side of the mob?

Imagine what Steve Nash's bloody nose would look like in 70MM.

tripgame:

"I would also make the LO and Bynum deal for Oneal now."

Whaaa??? Are you crazy?

AK,

"And pride when it comes to pulling that patriotic #27 over his head"

I'm pretty sure he was wearing #10.

Marco,

You're right. One article made it sound like he'll officially be wearing #27 (and maybe that's still to come). But the pics show him donning a 10. Thanks for the pickup.

AK

to me, the attempted Gerald Wallace trade implies the Lakers are looking at changing 2 slots, the SF and the PF slots. It "appears"... as much as we know at this point, the plan is to move Odom for the best they can get at SF or PF and then move Kwame and ??? maybe Farmar now? for the other slot.

If you look at the history of Phil Jackson teams, the dream PF is a Ho Grant type, nothing even close to Odom. Pippen was always the "facilitator" but - he was willing to score. Again, Odom is 1/2 of one and 1/2 of the other. Now, look at who the Lakers went after, Gerald Wallace. That would leave the PF slot open so they must be looking at a "banger" they think they can get using Kwame and whatever for bait.

Let's face it, right now, it's the old Michael Douglas thing, "if you aren't inside, you are OUTSIDE" so who really knows what they are up to? It sure would seem Odom is not going to be back next year.


nba referee scandal.

some react like "wow!"

my reaction is "wow, they've only caught one when there's plenty more..."

for those who love the game, i say great. just know that sports wagering is what truly runs professional sports.

while some of us can just watch the game for the love of the game...

there are plenty (AND I MEAN PLENTY) of more people who need some action on the game before they'll watch it.

the NFL, MLB and NBA are great leagues. no disputing that.

but to say that a lot of their success (which is measured big time on viewership and attendance) does not depend largely on sports wagering would be naive.

so why is it a shock when players, refs or coaches are involved in sports wagering scandals when sports wagering itself, is a main source (if not the) of viewership?

you think the nfl sunday ticket and nba league pass were created for avid nfl and nba fans? quit kidding yourselves. they were created for avid gamblers.

and that is the truth, ruth.

repost:

KL,

You said: first off, i recall you said in our last conversation that you're rehabbing a bad knee (meniscus). hopefully all is well......now for the gibberish.


"In previous conversations you've indicated doubts about Kobe's leadership in conjunction with being able to win. Others, myself included, have argued that Kobe's teammates did not do their part."

i will give credit where credit is due. kobe looked very good out there. Kobe and Melo were both ballhogs, but I'm not going to take anything away from kobe's clutch J over Prince. I will qualify my statement by saying that Team USA is meaningless. i want kobe to lead the lakers. is that a fair statement?

-----------------------------------------

The knee surgery is in early august. Right now I'm just hobbling. Thanks for asking/good thoughts!

re: leading the Lakers. That is a fair statement. I would like that also. In your degredation of the ability and character of Kobe, you
have failed to look at the talent he has surrounding him. I am asking you to honest in your evaluation of Kobe's teammates vs.
players on other teams. It seems to me that if Kobe is capable of winning with other players besides his Laker teammates then
you must address his teammates not him. Is that fair & logical?

How are you?

Posted by: hobbitmage | July 23, 2007 at 09:28 AM

mamba24

"Beast you earned yourself no criticisms from me for the rest of the week. As I said to you several months ago you helped me out of a tough spot mentally and for that I will always consider you a friend. Kobe bashing friend yes, but friend indeed."

Glad i could help. feel free to use me as your whipping boy (i know i'm opening myself up for some jokes) and rip me a new a$$hole anytime you like. BTW, my kobe bashing is intended to keep us focused on getting the laker team better. i don't want kobe feeling good about himself again and forget that he still has a job to do, which is bringing a title to LA. I've always said that i respect kobe for wanting to be the "man" in LA, but i don't respect kobe for not taking responsibility for his team. the finger pointing is very annoying. i've never once heard kobe say, this is my team and i'm responsible.....win or lose.

I think the only jersey numbers they can use in international play are
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15

gerneric_one

"I would also make the LO and Bynum deal for Oneal now."

Whaaa??? Are you crazy?

HARDLY. Tell me, who's going to be our post presence next year? That was the problem this past year. NO defensive or offensive presence in the middle. If your hoping that Bynum pans out, your probably right, but only in about 4-5 years b/c he's not ready right now. Odom is erratic and doenst have a high Bball IQ.

IM not saying that O'neal is the truth, because hes not. He's just an established inside post presence who can defend and score in the middle. Just think of his big body next to Brown's. Thats alot of muscle in the paint.

Tha Show & Tripgame,
JO for Lamar and Bynum sounds good, but I'd rather wait for KG (or even Artest) before pulling the trigger for JO. If all else fails, than the Lakers will have no choice but to make that deal.

Vman,
"Who should play Donaghy in the movie?"

I would give that role to either Frankie Munez or Ralph Machio.

"Who should play Donaghy in the movie?"

Vin Diesel. Then they could add in plotlines that include:

- The Mafia is actually a group of alien body snatchers
- Salma Hayek as Vin's girlfriend who was kidnapped, forcing Donaghy to fix games
- Zombie outbreak
- Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man
- Chris Walken as the alien head honcho
- Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan as Vin's sidekicks and comic relief
- Mad Dog & Ronny as a crime fighting duo who ally with Vin's group
- Entire storyline is set in the middle of an epic battle between Aliens and Predators
- "The Girls Next Door" cast (minus Hugh) as an elite group of ninjas
- Lots more awesome stuff that you can't even begin to imagine

Bring in Robert Rodriguez to direct and I think we're all set. I think my movie sounds like the best idea ever.

For those jumping on the Durant bandwagon: I like Durant. Especially because he admits that Kobe is his "idol". I even recall reading a high school profile about Lebron James where he listed his favorite NBA player as Kobe Bryant. So all you guys trying to pit these players against Kobe - news flash - they think Kobe's the best, too.

The point in saying that Kobe is better than the best in these all-star type games (all-star accolades) is that given the players that these other guys have on their NBA teams, Kobe would do just as well, if not better. Thanks, Lakers front office.

tha show
"you think the nfl sunday ticket and nba league pass were created for avid nfl and nba fans? quit kidding yourselves.
they were created for avid gamblers. and that is the truth, ruth."

And I think that about says it all Show. Short sweet and to the point.

TaosHum,

I wouldn't look too much into a rumored trade that never came to fruition. If all the pre-draft talk this year taught us anything, its that 99% of the crap that is said never really happens or was even close to happening.

My guess is that the Lakers are looking at every and any trade that would make them better and keep Kobe Bryant. I think they would really like to keep Lamar Odom, but the fact remains that he is one of the few assets they have to make a deal.

Don't be surprised if his name comes up in almost all trade rumors from here until he is no longer a Laker.

Enjoy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkr4eUpiEk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews%2Ekb24%2Ecom%2F

Does anyone know where these are televised? I wanted to watch the scrimmage when it was on, but couldn't find it anywhere.

tripgame:

"HARDLY. Tell me, who's going to be our post presence next year?"

That is still a lateral move at best. JO's numbers aren't any better than Lamar's and in fact Lamar still exceeds JO in several categories, especially in FG%. JO is going to have a lot more problems in the West than he did previously. Giving up Lamar and Bynum for JO is actually a step backwards. That team still wouldn't be able to get to the WCF. I think everyone around here has agreed to that.

Andrew Z,

I don't know a thing about Harry Potter, much less enough to make a zinger. Never read any of the books or seen any movies.

AK

Kobe Apologist,

"I told you Kobe is a quick learner. He's maturing, too."

Kobe has been in the league for 10 years and is pushing 30. And you're glad to show hes MATURING??? Now??? Thats pathetic.

How come then, nobody says, "Allen Iverson is maturing. What a great guy"

Wow, so all it takes is some words of apology from Kobe and thats it??? How about this..SHOW SOME RESULTS. Hey, you know just in case you missed it, he still hasnt said anything about his trade demand because he "doesnt want to be a distraction".

Well, Kobe, you wouldnt be a distraction if you came out and said that you didnt want to be traded anymore. Im pretty sure that all the reporters wouldnt ask you anymore Laker questions, there would be no more special attention if you just said, "I want to stay with my team, the Lakers" But No, you rather keep this a stupid guessing game and keep the spotlight on yourself.

I bet you if none of this other stuff about a trade was going on, Kobe would not have got the highlights or the headline, it would have belonged to Kevin Durant. But No, Kobe would rather have the spotlight to himself.

Generic_one,
"- Chris Walken as the alien head honcho"

Absolutely!! I can picture the scenes of the Lakers - Kings playoff games, with Walken yelling out "More cowbell!!"

Generic_one
"Giving up Lamar and Bynum for JO is actually a step backwards"
You got that right!

tha show,

I agree completely. As someone who regularly bets on sports, it doesn't shock me one bit that this came out. It's going to take this thing running rampant through the league to actually get some kind of reaction out of me.

What surprises me more is the amount of people who are so naive to think that sports is so "pure" and "true". It's an entertainment business people, and in the end it's about the almight dollar.

TaosHum,

I think you are half right. Phil also liked power forwards that could hit the 3-pointer like Kukoc and Horry.

IF a trade is unavailable, we may simply see a switch of positions in which case Odom moves to small forward and Radmanovic moves to power forward behind Turiaf or Mihm. That makes the most sense with the cast that they have right now. The only other alternative could be to still find a trade or free agent signing for a starting power forward that would not require Lamar to be moved.

Phil has made it clear the past 2 seasons that he really likes both Lamar and Luke because of their desire to pass first. He is not going to be in favor of losing either one right now unless the perfect deal comes along. So....in wrap-up....

The Lakers have 2 reasonable options for the remainder of the summer....trade for a power forward or give the job to Turiaf or Mihm. If they choose the latter, here is what they would have.

PG: Fisher, Farmar, Crittenton
- Fisher is the clear starter for this position, however, his minutes should be kept under 30 a game for the course of the season, increasing in the playoffs. Jordan and Javaris should fight over the remaining 18-20 minutes a night, which should make for a strong position.

SG: Bryant, Evans, Vujacic
-Obviously, Bryant is going to have the majority of the minutes at this position. However, his minutes should be kept around 35 at the most. Evans is ore than capable to handle the remaining 12-15 minutes a night in reserve duty. Vujacic should be on the inactive list to start the season.

SF: Odom, Walton
-If Phil Jackson ever hopes to have Odom fil. the role that Scottie Pippen made famous, the first step is to move him to small forward. Odom has the skills to be a very successful point forward, with a clear advantage over other small forwards. His minutes should mirror that of Bryant with one of the two always being on the court. Walton is a very solid reserve small forward that has at least 2 years of short term starter duty. It just makes sense that instead of having these two unselfish forwards in the lineup together, that instead they share minutes as a working tandem.

PF: Turiaf, Radmanonvic, Cook
Although most will disagree, I believe that the Lakers can be successful with this trio at power forward. The key will be using their advantages on the offensive end with both Radmanovic and Cook extending the defense with their perimeter shooting. On defense, Turiaf will be required to use the experience he gained while being a backup center, and it put it into practice against power forwards.

C: Bynum, Brown, Mihm
While most may be seriously concerned with this position because of talent, my greatest concern is their health. IF healthy, this trio should be solid compared to the other opposing centers in the league. The key is that the majority if not all of the current NBA teams in the league either have a dominant power forward or dominant center, but not both. Having Turiaf at power forward, and also having Mihm potentially working both positions will lighten the defensive load of both Bynum and Brown.

Two major "IF's" will face this group next season.....yes EX.....I said 2.

1 - Can they remain healthy ENOUGH to not seriously impact their development during the season.

2 - Can they develop the harmony that normally leads to teams being successful.

Notice neither IF has anything to do with players playing above their heads or having record seasons....the two ifs are very simple health and harmony.

Mitchell,

Man id love to give up Bynum and Odom for KG, but I dont think its gonna happen. But your right, its probably worth waiting for, for a lil while. we h ave to make a move before training camp so that wahtever big man we get, can work out with other bigs in camp learning the triangle. I dont think the maloofs will send Artest our way...

J-Mike,

The games were televised on Fox #2 and charter communications. In the glendale burbank pasadena area that would be channel 61. Same channel that would televise non KCAL-TNT-ESPN games with Jack Haley.

Charles

Generic_one
"Bring in Robert Rodriguez to direct and I think we're all set. I think my movie sounds like the best idea ever."

LIGHTS, CAMERA'S ACTION!!

Generic one,

Well I didnt agree and I totally disagree. with a lineup of:

PG: Fisher/J-Crit/Farmar
SG: Bryant/Evans/Vujuacik
SF: Walton/Rad man
PF: Oneal/Turiaf
C: Mihm/Brown

we would be a contender to the title, and with Kobe on your team, thats all you need.

So EVERYONE doesnt agree with you that it would be a lateral move.

KL,

One question. Did you actually WATCH the game last night? I'm just wondering because if you did there is no way you can SERIOUSLY call that an all-star game. These guys were actually out there playing hard, and trying to win. I saw a few hard fouls, and some really tough on the ball D (especially from Kobe). We all know you don't like Kobe, and that's fine, but to say that last nights contest was JUST an all-star game is disrespectful to all the other players on the court that were busting the a$$es for a win.

PS: One more question. If LeBron had hit that game winner would you still be saying it was just an all-star game, or would you be saying "how important that shot was for LBJ's development as a leader"? I usually try to give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to your hating ways because you have, what you feel are, valid reasons not to like Kobe (even though they have been proven wrong a number of times on this blog), but if you would seriously love LeBron making that shot, and hate Kobe making his then you are nothing more than a PURE HATER with no reasoning behind it, and that I definitely could not respect or condone.

generic_one,

Not that I'm in favor of Jermaine O'Neal at this point, but your argument is really not applicable in this situation. Using the stat comparison argument doesn't apply here because it isn't a matter of stat comparison, it is a matter of function/style of play in respect to the offensive and defensive systems Phil Jackson utilizes. Jermaine may not score more or rebound more, but does he fit better in the offense and will his presence positivly affect the performance and production of the others.

For instance, you ould probably find 10 different point guards that will give you more production than Fisher is going to give, but will their overall production help the team or hurt the team? People are always so quick to look at stats as if that is always the key and most times it isn't. Sometimes the best players are not the best options. The Spurs could upgrade their small forward slot to a more complete option, but would that take away from the on court harmony already established with Parker, Duncan and Ginobli being the main focal points?

My point is that although I do not want O'Neal at this point, my reason has nothing to do with a perceived "duplication of stats". It has to do with the belief that Odom has simply struggled with playing out of position.

JJ
"Two major "IF's" will face this group next season.1 - Can they remain healthy ENOUGH to not seriously impact
their development during the season. 2 - Can they develop the harmony that normally leads to teams being successful."

Great post JJ

Right on "JJ." You on point and I agree with everything you stated. I feel this laker team, while still not enough to be amongst the West's Elite, are a strong group nonetheless. We need a few changes to take us to the elite level, but we are almost there! As long as we dont lose focus and trade LO, we should be in good shape to go for another star/superstar after this season ends.

Question.....

If Odom clearly has had trouble offensively and defensively facing opposing power forwards, and the Lakers have a need for a better small forward, wouldn't the wise decision be to move him to small forward and simply improve the power forward position? I fail to understand why anyone would still be suggesting that the Lakers go out and get a small forward to start, when this solution is right there already?

As for the power forward position, the Lakers have re-signed Chris Mihm, they still have Turiaf, and they also have another big body in Radmanovic. Can't the 3 of them fill the power forward position with Brown and Bynum filling the center spot? There is no way that Bynum and Brown can get the minutes they need, and also give Mihm minutes at center. The only alternative is to move him to power forward to play with Turiaf and Radmanovic.

At this point Vujacic and Cook would be my Inactive Players. Considering the salary the Lakers are paying Cook, this is my reasoning for wanting to trade him to another team. It makes little sense to have that salary on the IR list.

Kobe Apologist,

Well certainly it isn't a compliment. And yes, it is a diss although I believe Lebron didn't intend for it to come out that way. Kobe just said he can't win a championship with this current Laker team witch is a far less crime than specifically calling out your point guards. And those statements about Bynum may have been wrong but he was being honest and was not addressing the media. Imagine if Kobe made those statements even before his recent trade demands, you haters would be all over it. It goes both ways.

KL Beast,

This is your old friend the Fan of the Mamba:

Your words are on point:

"Glad i could help. feel free to use me as your whipping boy (i know i'm opening myself up for some jokes) and rip me a new a$$hole anytime you like. BTW, my kobe bashing is intended to keep us focused on getting the laker team better. i don't want kobe feeling good about himself again and forget that he still has a job to do, which is bringing a title to LA. I've always said that i respect kobe for wanting to be the "man" in LA, but i don't respect kobe for not taking responsibility for his team. the finger pointing is very annoying. i've never once heard kobe say, this is my team and i'm responsible.....win or lose."

Truth!

Fan of the Mamba

What's up brother? you were one of the original bloggers who ripped me a new a$$hole. Glad to see you slumming with us again. LOL

g1:

"Bring in Robert Rodriguez to direct and I think we're all set. I think my movie sounds like the best idea ever."

I was thinking of Billy Walsh, even if no one knows whether Medellin is any good.

JJ
"f Odom clearly has had trouble offensively and defensively facing opposing power forwards, and the
Lakers have a need for a better small forward, wouldn't the wise decision be to move him to small forward
and simply improve the power forward position? I fail to understand why anyone would still be suggesting that the
Lakers go out and get a small forward to start, when this solution is right there already?"

Makes sense to me.

weave-man

"We all know you don't like Kobe, and that's fine, but to say that last nights contest was JUST an all-star game is disrespectful to all the other players on the court that were busting the a$$es for a win."

it was a highly competitive All-Star Game. Fair enough?

"One more question. If LeBron had hit that game winner would you still be saying it was just an all-star game, or would you be saying "how important that shot was for LBJ's development as a leader"?"

i would still say it's an all-star game. look, i'm a fool, but a consistent one (or at least i strive to be consistent).

"I usually try to give you the benefit of the doubt when it comes to your hating ways because you have, what you feel are, valid reasons not to like Kobe (even though they have been proven wrong a number of times on this blog), but if you would seriously love LeBron making that shot, and hate Kobe making his then you are nothing more than a PURE HATER with no reasoning behind it, and that I definitely could not respect or condone."

i acknolwdge that i've been proven wrong and i've owned up to them. Honestly, i really enjoyed watching the USA team play and take it seriously. i'm a little tired watching the US being embarassed by Argentina and Greece.

mitchell

"JO for Lamar and Bynum sounds good, but I'd rather wait for KG (or even Artest) before pulling the trigger for JO. If all else fails, than the Lakers will have no choice but to make that deal."

what about this kobe situation? kobe still wants to be traded. how about KG for Kobe straight up? KG, LO, Bynum, Fisher, plus a SG (we all know SG's are a dime a dozen)? Plus, once the Big Cancer is out, we can go after a real superstar like LBJ or Wade in 2009. Kobe can continue to win his scorining titles in Sota.

Fan of the Mamba

BTW, i think i've soften up a little since we last sparred?

nevertheless, i'm still spewing the same crapola about my best friend kobe bryant.

F-Killah,

"Kobe just said he can't win a championship with this current Laker team witch is a far less crime than specifically calling out your point guards. And those statements about Bynum may have been wrong but he was being honest and was not addressing the media. "


WHAA??? Calling out your point guard is worse than calling out the whole team?? (Because guys like Luke Walton have said the team was capable of contending) but Kobe is okay because he' trashed his whole team???

I'm pretty sure "I want to get out of my 38 million the next two years and want to be traded even to New york because my team here is worse than a team that is the laughing stock of the NBA" is worse than calling out your point guard.

"KUPCAKE was about to TRADE LO for Gerald Freaking WALLACE!!"

Wallace is pretty darn good. 18 points and 7 rebounds last year on 50% shooting, and he plays excellent
defense. He would be a huge upgrade at starting SF.

Losing Odom would have been huge, though. I've got to think there was more coming back to the Lakers
than just Wallace. Lamar will make 13.5 million this year and Wallace will only make 7.5, so there could
have been another player involved. Maybe Adam Morrison? Maybe Sean May or Walter Hermann to
get back a PF? Or it could have cut 6 million off of the Lakers salary going forward so that they'd have
some cap space next summer.

I think it would have been a step sideways, not forward, but it may have been part of a plan to free up
cap space to get someone big next summer when they can opt out of their contract.

Beast,

The Lakers Blog ain't no slum! LOL

Just taking the summer off. I'll be back to blogging regularly when training camp starts. I read the blog at least once a week, and when I read your comment nothing that has been said for awhile rang as more true to me than what you said. "Kobe can be the man but he has to take responsibility for the team win or lose."

Let's hope he gets that now, if not ship his a$$ outta here. LOL!

hey guys,

I saw this on firemitchkupcake.com and thought of sharing with my laker fans

it says that kevin garnett might be coming to LA on August 3rd... read it here

http://www.firemitchkupcake.com/?p=211

JJ,
Fisher + rookies (Farmar is virtually a rookie) is not a "strong" PG. Adequate at best.

Bynum, Brown, Mihm - if healthy, all have noticeable weaknesses. Relatively deep compared to other teams, but you don't need to be three-deep at a position (again, assuming health) so that extra depth probably doesn't pay off.

SG - Probably will be the best starter + backup in the league, assuming Evans can be more consistent.

PF - All three question marks. What will Vlad provide this year? Overall a weak group defensively.

SF - Solid overall; not great defensively.

Overall it is probably an improvement over last year, but not by a whole lot.

JJ - you can't write those off as "just two IFs"-
The health IF applies to at least 7 players - Brown, Vlad, Walton, Kobe, Odom, Evans, Mihm - who had injury issues last year. (Yes, Kobe was still recovering from the previous offseason surgery, which affected his defense.)

And harmony from a team that didn't show much of it last year (at least as far as the way they meshed on the court, both on offense and defense)? Another significant IF.

And you are factoring in an expected improvement from a number of very young players - Turiaf, Bynum, Farmar, Crittenton.


Great post JJ
We keep throwing around trade possibilities as if any are either good for the club or even being considered. No in each case. The only possible trade is KG and it won't happen for the Lakers until midyear, if ever.

We have lots of flexibility and lots of depth - why are we complaining so much??? We could be Miami and really looking up at the bottom of the barrel. Imagine Miami in the West - good luck!

Bryant mum on future with Lakers during first U.S. team practice

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2944034

"It's about going forward and handling the situation the right way, and handling it behind closed doors within the walls of the organization, and doing it that way," said Bryant"

i think kobe's had a change of heart by reading his blog and being kbiatched slapped by KLBeast. You know kobe reads this blog and realizes that the fans are tuning on the Big Turncoat.

"Bryant's agent has put in a formal trade request to Lakers management, and Bryant has discussed his wishes with team owner Jerry Buss. The Lakers are known to have called some teams to gauge what they could get back in a Bryant trade, but the organization has publicly insisted it has no plans to trade its franchise player."

WHAT IS THIS? KOBE STILL WANTS TO BE TRADED? May I ask why the Lakertomgirls of the world still continue to talke trade scenarios which includes kobe? Kobe still wants out of LA and you all are having a heart attack. If kobe wants out, let him go. You can cross out Dallas, Pheonix and Bulls which have collectively said to kobe "F-U to your CHILDISH attitude". I think kobe's secretly trying out for the Suns with D'Antoni as the head coach. I think kobe would make a great backup to Raja Bell.

"If Bryant's trade demand stands, he could force the Lakers' hand by holding out of training camp. But when asked specifically whether he'd be at camp, Bryant politely declined to answer."

I recall kobe saying something in the article about not wanting to be a distraction to his surrogate team, but kobe is okay with being a distraction to his current team? Great. I love kobe bryant. Great leader, badmouth your teammate, GM, owner while pretending to show class to a group of guys who dont' care about you. Who's the bozo who said kobe is a smart guy? must be mitchell.

"He [Kobe] said he had received several baby pacifiers in the mail from upset fans, including a pink one sent by L.A. Times columnist T.J. Simers, who was Bryant's most persistent questioner Friday, imploring him to undue the confusion he had created."

TJ! TJ! TJ! TJ FOR PRESIDENT!

"Yeah, I understand how it was received that way. And like I said, I think if I had to go back and do things differently, I would have. Like I said, the right thing to do now is handle the situation the right way going forward. And that's what we're trying to do."

I wished TJ would have asked if kobe would have did things differently back in 2004? Wouldn't that be a hoot?

"Simers asked Bryant if he had apologized to Buss for calling him an idiot. "Dr. Buss and I have had several conversations. We spoke a couple times, and I don't want to get into the conversations we had personally. I think our relationship, we want to keep things private and keep things between ourselves."

So at first, kobe is kiss-and-tell and now he is mr. Secret? Did kobe impregnant Buss?

"I think they're a helluva basketball, um, a great addition, I have to say, to the team. I think it was important to keep Luke, and Fisher I talk to all the time, and I'm extremely happy for his family, and I'm happy for Chris as well. I reached out to him.""

Who's team?? Shaq's team? No, must be Fisher's team.

Charles -

Thanks!!

blaze1bx,

Exactly!!!! It kills me how people don't see the positives that come from making continuous growth as a team. They are so focused on huge improvements only, that they fail to see how a few changes here and there each season will get us to our end result while allowing us the ability to remain their for a longer period.

It also kills me how people are already predicting how Bynum will play next season as if there is no chance that he will have improved this summer. Plus, what is up with this 3-5 years from NOW, that it will take for him to become a quality NBA starting center? It's like every year it gets pushed out further and I don't see the reason why. Did he not make serious improvements last season? Is it not possible that he will be better when next season begins?

I'm with the bloggers that think we should trade for JO. Garnett would be great to have right now, but I don't think it's gonna happen, so why not get the next best thing? I've posted the trade scenario b4 so i'm not gonna do it again, but if we had this lineup we could contend right now.

Fisher-Tinsley-Crittenton
Kobe-Evans-Sasha
Luke-Shawne Williams
JO-Turiaf-Cook
Kwame-Mihm

WE ARE GOING TO NEED A VETERAN BACK-UP PG!!!! D-Fish IS going to miss time, and we'll have to make sure we have a PG that is poised and can run the team without us having a major drop off. Tinsley fits the bill. If we want JO we're gonna have to take back one of there big contracts so I think it should be Tinsley.

I LOVE LO, but JO IS BETTER. JO actually LIKES to score, and is a MUCH better defensive player. All his numbers should increase with us (including his fg%), and he should be able to thrive not being the number 1 option. Our defense is much better with this lineup, we're much deeper, and we should be able to score more points.

well, this brings up the point that we simply don't have connections in the front office. The Lakers could go several ways. IF, yes if, Vlad Rad is ready to play this year... he could start with Lamar and everybody could fight over the definition of a PF. LOL! But Lamar would always be the one guarding the bigger PF's in the West.

But, if they really were going to trade Lamar for Gerald Wallace, a SF, you have to ask who they thought was going to fill the PF slot?

Kwame has to be traded, if not now, then by the trade deadline unless he is willing to take a lower contract that offseason? Like it or not, Kwame is in the $10m salary range, +/- because there are so few big men. Might as well get something for him, now, vs. lose him for nothing.

I like Turiaf. I don't see him starting this year. Maybe in the future? But certainly not after Kobe's outburst.

Cook is hanging on by a thread. He's on the wrong team, he's horrible on defense. Odds are he gets moved.

Mihm could play some PF, but again, after Kobe's outburst, would the Lakers look at him as a starter? No way.

Vlad Rad? How could the Lakers put their trust in him being a starter after last year? He's got some major proving of himself to do this year.

Clearly, the Lakers have their eye on some PF they think is obtainable without Odom being involved in the trade, and I doubt he's a household name, but he'll probably be a perfect fit for Phil's system.


Dang Beast,

Here I was feeling all warm and fuzzy and you just had to go and ruin it. LOL

TJ for President?

You just couldn't stay in the zone, you had to revert back to the beast. Back away from the bottle. Stop drinking that stuff man! LOL!!!!

You just had to take another sip of that haterade, guess you feel better now, huh? LOL!

""I would also make the LO and Bynum deal for Oneal now."

Whaaa??? Are you crazy?"

If they could rework the deal so it wasn't quite as lopsided, I'd sanction it. In other words, no Troy Murphy
coming back to the Lakers unless we're dumping a bad long term contract on Indy to balance it out. Here
are two ways I'd find the deal acceptible:

1. the stripped down version:

Odom, Bynum, and Vujacic (to make the salaries match) to Indiana
Jermaine O'Neal to the Lakers.

Lakers lose two good post players for one really good post player.

2. The mega-deal version:

Odom, Bynum, Kwame, Radmanovic to Indiana
O'Neal and Murphy to the Lakers
(plus possibly either Diogu, Granger, Williams, or a future first rounder to the Lakers)

I'm not saying WE HAVE TO DO THIS!!!!!!!! I'm just saying, I wouldn't get all bent if they did, and would see
it as a potential improvement to the team.

""I would also make the LO and Bynum deal for Oneal now."

Whaaa??? Are you crazy?"

If they could rework the deal so it wasn't quite as lopsided, I'd sanction it. In other words, no Troy Murphy
coming back to the Lakers unless we're dumping a bad long term contract on Indy to balance it out. Here
are two ways I'd find the deal acceptible:

1. the stripped down version:

Odom, Bynum, and Vujacic (to make the salaries match) to Indiana
Jermaine O'Neal to the Lakers.

Lakers lose two good post players for one really good post player.

2. The mega-deal version:

Odom, Bynum, Kwame, Radmanovic to Indiana
O'Neal and Murphy to the Lakers
(plus possibly either Diogu, Granger, Williams, or a future first rounder to the Lakers)

I'm not saying WE HAVE TO DO THIS!!!!!!!! I'm just saying, I wouldn't get all bent if they did, and would see
it as a potential improvement to the team.

ex:

Nice. I wasn't even thinking about the cowbell connection. Leave it to you to bring it full circle.


tripgame:

"So EVERYONE doesnt agree with you that it would be a lateral move."

Can you honestly tell me that you think that lineup would get past San Antonio, Pheonix or Dallas? We can most likely throw in Utah and Houston at this point. Fact is, two legit options aren't going to get it done in the West. If there was a way to keep Odom as a third option, we would have a much better chance. Kobe and JO? Not likely. Take a look at these matchups:

Lakers vs Houston

Fisher T-Mac
Luke Battier
Kwame Harpring
Luke Harris
Luke Bell
Luke Bowen
Luke < Manu
JO < Duncan
Kwame = Oberto

Yeah, pretty much. It's not a worth while trade if we're both getting rid of our youth (they'd probably demand Farmar or JC as well to match salaries) for a power forward with bad knees and is questionable to compete well in the West and also has a huge contract if we're not guaranteed to get a championship.


JJ:

"My point is that although I do not want O'Neal at this point, my reason has nothing to do with a perceived "duplication of stats". It has to do with the belief that Odom has simply struggled with playing out of position."

It's not just about the stats with me either, that's just the easiest thing to refer to. Odom brings a lot more intangibles to the table than a little more defense. Plus, JO's injuries are much harder to recover from on average than the ones that Odom has had.

"If Odom clearly has had trouble offensively and defensively facing opposing power forwards, and the Lakers have a need for a better small forward, wouldn't the wise decision be to move him to small forward and simply improve the power forward position?"

Yes, absolutely. That was the original plan when they brought in Kwame, but it's painfully obvious that Kwame will unfortunately never be a power forward.


The D:

"I was thinking of Billy Walsh, even if no one knows whether Medellin is any good."

The trailer sure looks awesome, though.

Fan

"Let's hope he gets that now, if not ship his a$$ outta here. LOL!"

for the first time ever, i think kobe might be getting it. a little humility goes a long way. fans, by definition, are short-sighted and easily forgive and forget. you see, if kobe has a turnaround in 07-08 (win or lose), i'll even start saying nice things about kobe.

Fan

"You just had to take another sip of that haterade, guess you feel better now, huh? LOL!"

"haterade"? The best insult in 2 months. LOL. Man, it's nice to have you back.

exhelodrvr,

First thing.....Is it really that much of a stretch to believe that Bynum, Farmar, and Turiaf will be better this season than they were last season? What has Bynum done to show that he doesn't have the ability to get better? Was he not better last year than the first year? Get off the guys back for a moment and take an objective look at the guy. He has improved in both of his first 2 seasons. Although he hasn't improved at the rate you think he should, don't discredit the improvements he has made. As far as Farmar goes, all we have had is 1 season of watching this guy play, and you are already acting as if he has hit his peek. The guy demonstrated last season the desire and ability to work hard and improve. Why should I not believe that he will continue that pattern next season? He looked a little more confident and mature in his game during summer league. Why are you acting like it's already over for him? Turiaf, has had 2 seasons....really 1 1/2 due to his injury the first year. The ONLY drawback to his game up to now was his stamina. Otherwise he is every bit qualified to be a power forward in this league. Yet, you are acting as if he won't continue to improve?

Second.....Whether it is 1 player or 10, the issue of health/injuries is still just 1 issue. Your point of it being a larger issue is weak because every team could seemingly have the same large issue of health concerning their star players. Considering the inuries that Duncan and Ginobli have faced in previous seasons and how it knocked them out of championship contention, it could be said that health is a huge issue for them too. However, it still comes down to how any and all injuries affect the progress of each team. That is just 1 issue....and although iffy....it is no more iffy this season than it was last year.

Third.....I see what your problem is now....while you were criticizing me as being the man of many ifs....you were placing ifs in my statements and then blaming me for them being there. I don't have nearly as many ifs for the Lakers as you do, because they are irrelavent. Vlade Radmanovic has been a quality shooter his whole career. Before he got hurt in preseason, the word from the Lakers camp was that he was really shooting well. He got hurt, and all of sudden now he is a question mark as being a quality shooter. As far as harmony goes.....how much harmony did the Lakers have at the close of the 1999 season? How much harmony did they have the next year?

Like I have stated.....there are 2 ifs as it relates to next season....Harmony and Health. The other things you are trying to throw in have nothing to do with that. The players, the positions, the performances and the production you are so concerned about will all be determined by those two ifs. It's that simple.

Woah... somehow the matchups that I did for each team got all messed up. What's up with that? Regardless, if we did the JO trade and lost Odom and Bynum, we still don't match up with any of those five teams.

JJK, the problem with moving Odom to small forward, is that he's going to have trouble guarding alot of them. True, he'll be able to abuse some in the post, but if the Lakers actually get a post presence, which is what would precede the move, when is he going to get time to do that?

Generic_one, I think your movie still needs some work. Gotta pare it down a little, unless you want to make it a Tarntino two-movie special. Can't give people too much for their $10, they'll get spoiled; besides, editing that sucker would be rough. I like the cast though.

Tha_Show. Good post, but I do have one question - who has been saying wow? Everyone I know skipped over that staqge and went right to the guessing game. Nobody's shocked. In fact, I haven't really read anywhere that anybody's been shocked by this. It's been too clear for a long time that's there's a problem.

gerneric_one

So I noticed that EVERYONE didnt agree with you after all.

everyone on roll call didnt agree with your decision, if anything its split 50/50

JO can workout against big bodys in the post, not LO or Bynum at this stage.

generic_one,

I still disagree....You are still tlaking about stats whether you see it or not. Those intangibles are acually tangibly seen in the stat sheet. There is nothing Lamar has provided right now that hasn't been tangibly seen.

The question for the past 3 seasons has been.....can Kobe and Lamar play successfully together? Up to this point it has been 1 at a time but never both at the same time. I contend that it has been the result of Lamar being out of position coupled with the Lakers lacking the type of point guard needed in this system. With Fisher back....they need to move Lamar to small forward, and see what happens.

I also disagree with the ones talking about the need for a new second option. Lamar at 15-20 a night is enough of a second option for this team. Put him in his rightful place and the numbers will be there. If the Lakers got a dominant scoring power forward, they might as well get rid of Lamar because his game would be greatly hurt by the presence of that person. However, if Lamar is going to be on this team, all they need is a defensive power forward that can hit an occassional mid range jumper along with a couple put backs, and they will be fine.

We go through this every year, but offensively your focus is on getting 100 points.....

If Kobe is averaging 25-30 each night, and Lamar is averaging 15-20, that means that 40-50 points are already accounted for by those 2. Is it not conceivable that the PG's can give a total of 15 a night, the power forwards a total of 15 and the centers a total of 15? That's 45 added to the 40 or 50 and I haven't even mentioned Evans or Walton. If they give a total of 15 or 20 together.....that would be over 100 potentially each night. None of those totals are extreme. The bottom line is that the defensive duties would make the difference at that point.

My contention there is that If Lamar is moved to the small forward position, the defense there improves greatly. The Power Forward and Center positions can be defended by committe depending upon the opposition. Kwame and Ronny are strong players that do a decent job of guarding man to man in the post. Chris and Andrew are your shot blocking big men. Together the four of them should be able to do a decent job.

Amidst this little lull of Laker off-season activity (no KG update, Kobe mum as he focuses on USA ball) and while we wait for Stern to detail the gambling ref situation, just wanted to know what’s the latest with Ronny Turiaf? The Lakers have re-signed Walton, Mihm, and even brought back D-Fish. Barring any big time trades, it will be the same team as last year (with Fish and J-Crit joining Farmar to replace Smush). Is Ronny part of this? Are they waiting to see about trades before signing him (in case it’s a sign and trade)? Has he even been of interest to other teams? From the way I understand it, he’s a restricted FA, so the Lakers could match any offer… so what’s the deal?

Kobe is the man. The star of the stars. The best of the bests,

JJ, I think we have the best small forward in the league in LO. I think he's got the spped to counteract what they do on defense, and the length to expose them on offense. Plus it necessitates him be on the paint most of the time if he's playing the 3 thereby allowing him to be his most dominant. The problem is we have no viable option on the 4. We really have no viable option on forward outside of LO. I just don't think Mihm is it, neither is Kwame. I don't feel comfortable putting Luke in there for large periods of time, nor do I feel comfortable putting Vlad there, or Cookie, or even Mo (too undersized, he's more a 2)....the only one I like is Turiaf and as has been said he's not ready yet. For my money honey, I'll put him to start and screw the consequences, at least he'll give us everything he's got night in and night out.

Staples24, I vote for Violet Palmer. I remember a game where she literally took her PMS out of Luke Walton. I definitely see some crookedness there lol, jk.

Actually as it relates to the ref thing...there's only one thing I want to know (aside from which games)...I want to know if he's reffed that awful Cleveland Game from 2 years ago where it literally seemed as if we were playing 5 on 8!

Michael A;

"Gotta pare it down a little, unless you want to make it a Tarntino two-movie special."

Two movie special? I don't think even that would do it justice. We're talkin a ten hour movie of epic proportions in theaters that sell beer (smoking room in the back, sheesh) and have stripper poles, a shooting range and blackjack tables that are put into use during intermissions. Oh, and it would be entirely in 3D with Smell-O-Vision.

 
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