All quiet on the Western front ... a little too quiet for some
Derek Fisher officially met the media Friday afternoon, once again a Laker. But given how things have gone this summer, Kobe Bryant again dominated conversation across the hoops universe (you know, aside from the allegations that a referee had helped fix games, calling into question the integrity of an entire professional sport). Kobe took no steps Friday to clear up the whole Lakers-or-no-Lakers question when he met the media as a member of USA Basketball. He admitted his Grand Radio Tour sent mixed signals, but feels this isn't the time to clarify his position, even when given a few cracks at it by an old friend. Still, he said lots of nice things ... just not the nice thing.
We've all spent a lot of time trying to decode the tea leaves on this one, and even Fish said people shouldn't read too much into his return to the Lakers, at least as it relates to Kobe. At this point, unless the answer is, "I'm committed to staying in L.A. and trust management to do the right things," he's probably better staying mum on the subject. By doing so, it'll continue to fuel speculation that he wants out, but that can't be avoided, especially if Kobe's still harboring some issues with the folks in El Segundo. He is right that to turn the USA Basketball season into a Laker Circus isn't fair. And even if Kobe does say he wants to stay, there's an element of distraction, too. "Are you happy with Mitch? Can this group win a championship? Do you still want Jerry West?" And so on and so forth.
All of this is a consequence of how things went down this summer. That Kobe repeatedly said he wished things had gone down differently is sticking to the plan of keeping things in-house is a positive sign. It might cause the rest of us to wonder out loud, but clearly it's better than the media-frenzied alternative. The more public this spat becomes, the worse it is for everyone.
But since all that's left is for us to speculate ... let's do it. I wonder if Kobe really knows what he wants. I doubt he's gained a lot more trust of management, specifically that a championship-caliber team can be assembled around him quickly. On the other hand, he clearly understands the fallout from everything that went down didn't make him look good, and he is trying to repair the damage. And I think Kobe understands the team isn't going to move him. So that leaves a holdout come training camp, and to start talking about that with the media in mid-July is a horrible idea.
Personally, I think he'll be there. With bells on? I have no idea. That he hasn't come out and said he'll be a Laker in October certainly makes you wonder what he wants. Or if he knows.
-- BK

Only if this was the '08 free agency...
Posted by: never | July 21, 2007 at 11:46 AM
p.s. I hope i was the first one to post on this blog. I've only been first one other time!!
Posted by: never | July 21, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Clarification on Kobe's statement about Team USA - he said something like
"I want the best guy on the other team." I was a little confused about that
one, but Colangelo's explanation makes sense:
"...
That figures to improve Bryant’s defense, which Jackson has seen slip in recent years — although the Lakers still aren’t the team Bryant is openly talking about leading right now.
"He wants to guard the best player on the other team," said Jerry Colangelo, managing director of the U.S. team. "He has asked for that already."
So Kobe wants to GUARD the best player on the other team - I'd love it
if Kobe re-dedicated himself to defense and became the stopper - put
Kobe on Nash. Put Kobe on Melo. Put Kobe on Nowitzski. Then he can
lead the team on both offense AND defense.
Posted by: Long Time Laker Fan | July 21, 2007 at 11:52 AM
BK,
KB is doing what he should, keeping his mouth shut till things declare themselves. i think he'd still rather leave, but he know that ain't gonna happen this year. he'll wait & see if mitch can swing a major trade...we all know what the chances of that are...and then, unfortunately, i think we're in for deja-vu all over again a year from now...hope i'm proven wrong.
btw, i'm a long-time reader, rare poster and life long laker fan and with the rash of racial commentary on the blog recently i have a question that i was hoping someone could help me with.
what ethnicity is jordan farmar?
i thought he was half-persian & half-ferengi (those ears are not of this earth)
Posted by: sambosola | July 21, 2007 at 11:59 AM
I think the Michael Teniente conspiracy theory credit some values.
I think Kobe should see how Phil is riding the bus.
I don't discount, knowing Phil Jackson snakelike manners, that he came to coach the Lakers
for 4 reasons.
1---To gain 30 millions pretty dollar faces without diminishing his credibility as a coach, knowing LA TIMES and reporters haters will blame Kobe for the failures of this team.
2. --To control Jeanie part in the Laker pie and maneuver to nullify Jim Buss influence and input
in the Lakers enterprise.
3...To make sure Kobe won't obtain the glory of proving him wrong about what he wrote in that infamous book.
4....To make sure Michael remains untouchable in the atrium of the "best ever who played the game".
So...Kobe needs to watch closely this season, and then act in consequence
Posted by: jorema | July 21, 2007 at 12:06 PM
Get on the front page and vote.....Vin is great but Chick was the shiznizliest
Posted by: todd | July 21, 2007 at 12:17 PM
"I wonder if Kobe really knows what he wants. I doubt he's gained a lot more trust of management, specifically that a championship caliber team can be assembled around him quickly." BK
We know what Kobe wants...
Is in his parade of interviews.
Is in his home video diatribe.
Is in his season end statements.
Is in the GM office uncertain approach of: "Rebuilding or winning now?.
As he said: The ball isn't in my court, regardless of my radio"s parade, my rumblings and whining...is up on Mitch and his comrades.
Is clear what Kobe wants: better supporting cast and a more reliable gm office (assessment that ticket season holders also gave to the lakers).
The "sick for attention banner", the "he doesn't know what he wants" gratuitous judgment, is just part of the other side of the coin with a unique description stamped : fairness can't be applied to Kobe - Bean - Bryant...the marked man .
Posted by: jorema | July 21, 2007 at 12:27 PM
All the brouha-ha at the end of this season---specifically, Kobe's meltdown---was to a large extent fueled by collective frustrations. In looking at the convergence of maleficent influences on this team, principally being attacked by a voracious injury "bug," it is not surprising that the team spirit of our beloved Lakers dissipated. Among the injuries to Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, et al., was the injury to the apparently-fragile ego of Smush Parker, a "loner" from the outset. Not to be overly harsh, but the team's morale problems were exacerbated by his public pouting, Brian Cook's tantrums, and Sasha's petulance.
Now, with Fisher back, with Mihm healthy and back (and with something to prove), with Lamar healthy and still here (at least by training camp), with Luke healthy and back, and with the intangible benefit of having some competition between Jordan Farmer and Javaris Crittenden, plus the benefit of having a mix of older and younger players together, one suspects that the "chemistry" of this current roster will produce a kind of alchemy that will transmute the old Lakers' "lead" into the new Lakers' "gold."
I also suspect that Kobe's reticence about publicly making a commitment to return to the fold at this time is based on three factors: (A) he genuinely does not want to distract from the pending activities of Team USA; (B) he's been ordered to be discreet about disputes with the organization; and (C) he is deliberately playing the "mum's the word" game because he doesn't want Mitch, et al. to become complacent. In short, if they think he's still potentially capable of engaging in a boycott of training camp and the season it may place (and keep) pressure on Mitch & Associates to try to work out a complex multi-team deal that would ultimately bring Kevin Garnett to the Lakers.
Kobe's frighteningly intelligent and shrewd, and is fully capable, even at his young age, of engaging in Machiavellian manipulations. Not to gainsay his affection and friendship for "D-Fish" and Luke, as well as his other teammates, but I think his deeper agenda still involves doing whatever it takes to bring Garnett or a similarly-qualified individual---of whom few are now available---to the Lakers to make an impact in the future.
HOWEVER, with that said, if he can get over his emotional tantrums and return to the maturity he's previously displayed on many occasions, Kobe may look around to see that he actually has a pretty competent group around him. If---knock on wood---our ranks are not depleted by injuries this year, Phil Jackson may actually be able to develop a consistent game-plan that will allow him to return to the creativity which has helped him win 9 championships.
In closing, I suspect that our season this year will be much improved, with a record of 57-25 and third seed in the Western Conference. This will very possibly allow us to get to the Conference Finals, although if it's San Antonio vs the Lakers it will be a tough go for the Purple and Gold. We'll just have to see how things match up during the season.
Finally, Welcome back, Derek. We really are glad you're home!
Posted by: Tibo69 | July 21, 2007 at 12:27 PM
When you read this, Kobe's position becomes pretty clear, even though the situation remains complex:
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Bryant went so far in his role as team ambassador as to contact Mihm, who re-signed Thursday — welcoming him back and congratulating him after his challenging rehabilitation from a severe ankle injury. Bryant also said he long ago spoke to Andrew Bynum, whom Bryant disparaged and said should be traded in an amateur video from this summer that wound up on the Internet.
About his teammates, whom Bryant previously suggested aren’t nearly good enough to help him contend for an NBA title, Bryant said: "I’ve spoken to all of them. I speak to all of them consistently."
______
Kobe is with the team... but not yet with the front office. It's even a way of saying the front office isn't with the team the way Kobe is. A guy who's thinking he's going to Chicago (or Pluto) doesn't spend time speaking "to all of them consistently". Still, he isn't going to show his cards until all the bets are on the table. Oops, sorry, I shouldn't be talking about betting, should I!
Posted by: Tsphere | July 21, 2007 at 12:55 PM
Kobe will be a sight to behold on Team USA. He will go out of his way to demonstrate what a great on and off the court team leader he is, in order to show what he can do with other great players to pass to, set up, defend with, etc.
This will make his demands for change that much more pointed.
His popularity too will be restored.
Kobe's shrewd and calculating.
And one hell of a ballplayer.
BTW, welcome back D-fish.
Posted by: lone star laker fan | July 21, 2007 at 01:16 PM
Long Time Laker Fan-
It is much easier for Kobe to take the top defensive position on Team USA than it is on the Lakers, because he has star-caliber players around him that will also take on a lot of the offensive load. But on the Lakers he is the only player who will be the top scorer 99% of the time, taking a lot of energy away from the defensive side of his game.
Posted by: ajax | July 21, 2007 at 01:17 PM
"That he (The Saint) hasn't come out and said he'll be a Laker in October certainly makes you wonder what he wants. Or if he knows"
is academic. Ultimately, to remain a Laker is not his decision to make. He can only choose not to be.
At one time or another, the man has trashed almost everyone in his life who could matter, including his beautiful wife and children. Most importantly, he recently and very publically trashed the BIG boss.
Over the long haul, such deeds never go unrewarded, if you know what I mean.
Cut bait now. You'll need little more than a Jorenema to dislodge this slug from an otherwise storied franchise.
Sonnybelfast
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 01:18 PM
T.J. Simers is a guy really looking for attention.
He dream about meeting and talking some celebrities in his columns.
He like to be the macho man in inteviews.
He like to talk and trash Kobe because is the only way his column can be somedays the most readed in the Times sports section.
Is not about the news or the sports' topics, is about him, just him, always.
Posted by: jorema | July 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM
WOLF:
If you watch top perimeter defenders like Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell, you will see that thinking ahead and anticipating the offensive player’s moves and then trying to beat them to where he is going in order to draw a charging foul is a major part of their overall defensive strategy. This is something that Fisher has always been pretty good at. Yes, he sometimes flops but so do Bell and Bowen. The idea is to make the offensive player hesitant to penetrate for fear of drawing a charging foul and thus turning the ball over. Fish may not be as quick in body as some of the guys he defends but he will be quicker in his mind anticipating where the guy is going and will thus do a better job of defending our perimeter. That is something that we never saw even once with Smush Parker or, I am sorry to say, Jordan Farmar. Fisher’s type of defense gets into the head of the offensive player. Combine that with his toughness in general and Kobe’s renewed efforts to become the team’s defensive stopper and I think our perimeter defense will be much better this year, which will result in much improved team defense.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | July 21, 2007 at 01:21 PM
Mike:
I agree with you that Kobe’s comments about the signing of Fish, resigning of Luke and Chris, and drafting of JC combined with the fact that he actually is calling and talking to the guys is a pretty good sign that Kobe is going to stay with the Lakers. The guy really does not want to be anything other than a Los Angeles Laker in his heart.
I also think that his dropping 19 pounds and asking Colangelo for the job of guarding the best guy on the other team says something about Kobe’s focus for this year. It’s on defense, just as Phil asked. How many guys in Kobe’s position do you think really work hard in the off-season to improve their game even though they are superstars? Do you think that Cook or Sasha worked on their defense during the off-season? That is why Kobe is unique.
The pieces are falling into place suddenly for the Lakers. I predict the team will get off to a great start, will probably make a deal to get KG or JO before the midseason trading deadline, and will win 55 games and compete for a championship this year. And I give the front office an A for making all of the right little moves and resisting making a bad big move. We have a great balance of a team that is considerable improved over last year with a lot more valuable chips to use in trade once we start this season. God is definitely a Laker fan.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | July 21, 2007 at 01:21 PM
Kobe was never going anywhere simply because it wasn't his decision.
Buss wasn't going to trade his cash cow. At training camp Kobe will say something like "he's put it all behind him and try to win a championship with this team, this year" bla bla yada.
It's over for now. But it's out. Long range planning is pointless. If this year isn't an upgrade, all bets are off. oops. "bet" = bad word these days.
Posted by: Vman | July 21, 2007 at 01:24 PM
sambosola:
Jordan's father is African-American and his mother is Jewish-American.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | July 21, 2007 at 01:24 PM
Tibo69,
I think you nailed it all in one post.
The parrying between Kobe and TJ Simers in today's column revealed both at their best. Now, with any luck, KB24's actions on the court will speak for him going forward. The Lakers as a team may not be the most talented in the West this year, but we might see good chemistry carry the day.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | July 21, 2007 at 01:30 PM
Good post Vman.
The boiling of frustration has passed (playoffs are over)...the purpose of the frustration has also passed...because now the FO knows he's serious. The FO's bubble of winning now and/or later has burst where it's either win now or lose the best player in the game in his prime and the millions of revenue that come with him. Kobe's right...the ball is on the FO's court. At the end of the day they hold all the cards...and Kobe is sure to know that.
Posted by: Faith | July 21, 2007 at 01:53 PM
"Kobe will be a sight to behold on Team USA. He will go out of his way to demonstrate what a great on and off the court team leader he is..."
Hot damn! Well pass the jug boy and take another swig of that sweet Texas armadillo piss!
It's just too bad that his "greatness" didn't shine through as the "leader" of the Los Angeles Lakers. I guess he just hasn't wanted to go out of his way until now.
Actually, if made the leader of Team USA, even Miss Van Exel might fair well with a team of American NBA All Stars. He would need only to play with himself to succeed.
Sonnybelfast
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 01:57 PM
"So for now, the mixed message that Bryant sent out on May 30 will continue to stand, and the damage this episode has done to Bryant's image is something he will have to live with. He said he had received several baby pacifiers in the mail from upset fans, including a pink one sent by L.A. Times columnist T.J. Simers, who was Bryant's most persistent questioner Friday, imploring him to undue the confusion he had created."
WELL AT LEAST HE GOT MY PACIFIER, I SENT HIM. GOOD TO KNOW THE MAJORITY OF LA FANS ARE TIRED OF HEARING KOBIATCH CRYING ALL THE TIME.
Posted by: Gunner | July 21, 2007 at 02:18 PM
Laker Tom
"I also think that his dropping 19 pounds and asking Colangelo for the job of guarding the best guy on the other team says something about Kobe’s focus for this year. It’s on defense, just as Phil asked"
WELL AT LEAST HE KNOWS THAT HE NEEDS TO EARN THAT DEFENSIVE 1ST TEAM AWARD HE WAS BASICALLY GIVEN THIS PAST SEASON. BECAUSE KOBE PLAYED NO DEFENSE LAST SEASON. HE WAS GETTING BURN AS MUCH AS SMUSH.
Posted by: Gunner | July 21, 2007 at 02:22 PM
""When asked if the signing of Derek Fisher, the drafting of Javaris Crittenton and the re-signings of Chris Mihm and Luke Walton were enough to placate his desire for an upgrade to the Lakers' roster, Bryant's initial answer did not make a lot of sense. "
VERY PREDICTABLE. I GUESS HE TURNED DOWN THE PLUTO OFFER TO PLAY FOR TEAM USA. BUT KOBIATCH IS SO EASY TO READ. WHY TELL MEDIA YOU'RE COMING BACK TO PLAY FOR LA WHEN IT WILL TAKE ALL THE ATTENTION OFF OF YOU. JUST ANOTHER SELFISH PLOY BY HIM.
"Well, if i tell them i'm coming back to play for LA, there will be no more stories. And I would lose the headlines."
DON'T THINK OLD KOBIATCH ISN'T ENJOYING THIS STUFF. ONE OF HIS TOWEL BOYS OR KOBE'S TOILETS HAS TOLD HIM THIS COULD BE A GOOD PLOY FOR HIS SO-CALLED LEGACY.
TOO BAD JORDAN DIDN'T HAVE TO RESULT TO THIS TYPE OF STUPIDITY.
Posted by: Gunner | July 21, 2007 at 02:36 PM
Kobe over-complimented Simers when he compared Simers' journalism to Kobe's basketball game. But still, this is where Simers' antagonistic a-holism really comes in handy, allowing him to ask the tough and interesting questions since he probably couldn't piss Kobe off any more than he has already pissed Kobe off.
I'm really looking forward to a list of games that TD officiated along with the games he will be officially accused of fixing. (No wonder I lost my daughter's pony the year before last.)
Posted by: Guity | July 21, 2007 at 03:01 PM
Gunner,
We don't give Kobe much defensive credit in this city, because we saw the team deteriorate before our eyes. Of course, this wasn't Kobe's fault, but no matter, he couldn't do anything right for many fans. I would say his defense wasn't up to his par this year, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a good defender and the award often takes into account past history.
After reading his comments to Jerry Colangelo, I wouldn't be surprised his he is the defensive stopper on the team and even perhaps leads the team in assists. He certainly has the skill and motivation to do both. Since he undoubtedly has confidence in his teammates and probably knows all their weaknesses, as well as strengths, he is probably in a very good place to make everyone shine this year. Here's to it happening!
Go Laker Tom! Go Lakers!
Posted by: Craig W. | July 21, 2007 at 03:01 PM
There are lots and lots and lots and lots of Laker fans out here who would like to see Kobe gone and a clean Laker slate upon which to create another masterpiece.
Like it or not, they are everywhere and their voices as fans are just as relevant and meaningful as anyone's, including yours. Quit your whining.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 03:11 PM
Craig W
"Since he undoubtedly has confidence in his teammates and probably knows all their weaknesses, as well as strengths, he is probably in a very good place to make everyone shine this year"
I ASSUME YOU'RE ONE OF KOBE'S TOILETS. HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU SAY KOBIATCH KNOWS HIS TEAMMATES ON TEAM USA STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES.
HAS HE PLAYED WITH THEM BEFORE? I DON'T THINK SO.
KOBIATCH DON'T EVEN KNOW HIS OWN LA TEAM STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES. IF HE DID, WE WOULDN'T BE GETTING KNOCKED OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND FOR THE LAST TWO SEASONS.
Posted by: Gunner | July 21, 2007 at 03:16 PM
Gunner, sonnybelfasr, all you other haters.
I read this blog everyday because it has good timely information.. The links are good, and the posts are sometimes funny and entertaining. I like an LA take on sport, but I can't read the Times because of the likes of TJ Stimmers. I hate haters.
Now, this blog's constant Kobe bashing is really getting old. I'm all for free speach, but this is a little rediculous. It seems a little crazy to me that a "Laker" blog would be so negative toward its star player. .A guy who works harder than any player on his team or any body elses. A guy who leaves it on the floor no matter what's going on off court. A guy who appears to want what all real Laker fans should want, to win championships. His methods may be uncoventional, but his intent is right on the money. I, for one, do not want to go aimlessly throught the rest of the 2000s like we did through the 90s, without being a contender.
If the truth be told, Kobe's public "outcry" probably did put a fire under the FO. At least it got Dr. Buss to leave the little girls alone for a hot minute and turn some attention to his team. Kobe's "tantrum" might even get us a marquee player before it is all over. To be honest, (again) it didn't hurt the team AT ALL. It may have even put a fire under some of our players who are not putting in the work to get better.
The weird part is you "Laker fans". It really seems like a lot of you guys have been drinking the coolaid of TJ and other media pimps. It is too bad. Instead to rallying around Kobe's attempt to force the the FO to spend some cash and get us a championship caliber team, you proudly send him pacifiers. I don't really understand that. You haters are schizo!!! You say you are laker fans, but you don't want to do what is necessary to win.
I'll never stop reading this blog, but sometimes I just do not need to hear the HATE.
Faith, Laker Tom, Tspere, are there other blogs out there that do not hate so much?
Posted by: tellitlikeitis | July 21, 2007 at 03:16 PM
sonnybelfast,
Now that is an interesting comment by a Kings fan.
Posted by: Craig W. | July 21, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Now that we've got ourselves a solid pg, and 3 centers, I think it's time to make the move for JO. I want Garnett, but I don't think the 3 team trade scenarios are gonna happen, so why not go out and get the next best thing? I know a lot of people (including me) are worried about JO's injury history, but I think his health will be much better with us for 2 reasons:
1. JO is not gonna have to carry this team. Kobe is gonna be the #1 option, which will give JO more chances to take plays off on offense, and keep himself fresh longer.
2. (This depends on us keeping Kwame) JO WON'T have to guard the other teams best big man. IF we do the trade I'm proposing that will be Kwame's role. Can you imagine how effective JO will be just being a help defender?!?! He's a great shot blocker now, but being able to play off of weak pfs/centers will help his numbers sky rocket, and make our lane almost impossible to penetrate.
I'm pretty much conceding that Indy won't give up Granger so here's what I've come up with:
Indy gets:
Odom
Bynum
Farmar
Radmanovic
We get:
JO
Tinsley
Shawne Williams
I know that looks like a lot to give up, but if you think about it, we won't be that bad off. We just re-signed Mihm so Bynum will be a little easier to let go. We just drafted Crittenton so Farmar is pretty much obsolete, Radmanovic is a GREAT shooter, but hasn't learned the offense, and is a defensive liability. It will hurt to let LO go, but if you think about it were trading LO for JO. O'Neal is a better/more willing scorer, and a MUCH better defender. I know Odom has a better fg%, but JO's numbers will go up playing alongside Kobe since he'll have much easier shots. Here's the roster:
D-Fish-Tinsley-Crittenton
Kobe-Evans-Sasha
Luke-Williams-Evans
JO-Turiaf-Cook
Kwame-Mihm
Depending on what Williams does in his 2nd year, this team could definitely compete RIGHT NOW!!!! Our front court, and back court defense would be vastly improved, and could make up for Luke's lack of one on one D. What do y'all think?
Posted by: Weave-Man | July 21, 2007 at 03:25 PM
tellitlikeitis ,
I like this blog and continue to check back in on it, but I do skip through a lot of the posting because of the totally negative flow of several of the blogger - just like you.
I also follow another blog that has fewer bloggers, but also mostly less inflamatory, and they do have some thoughtful posts.
http://www.forumblueandgold.com
Stay in touch here, but check some others out too.
Posted by: Craig W. | July 21, 2007 at 03:34 PM
Tellitlikeitis tells it Likeheseesit,
and that is fine, you whiney little skunk turd. But never assume those who disagree with you, especially on such a polarizing figure as the Saint, are the ones who drink the Kool-Aid.
Sonnybelfast
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 03:34 PM
tellitlikeitis,
"It seems a little crazy to me that a "Laker" blog would be so negative toward its star player. .A guy who works harder than any player on his team or any body elses. A guy who leaves it on the floor no matter what's going on off court. A guy who appears to want what all real Laker fans should want, to win championships"
I'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO YOU BEFORE SO, I WELCOME YOUR SHALLOW OPINION.
But, get your head out of the Kobiatch a$$ for one second. When does a blog has to be a sacred grounds for a so-called star player! Doesn't matter how hard Kobiatch is working. Once again this is now a ME-ME-ME game. This is a team game. Something Kobe doesn't know.
Finally, Kobiatch wanting championships is like Kareem lacing up the shoes again to play with Kobe. Definitely not true!
If old Kobiatch wanted championships, he would have lobbied to keep the one player who had him the closest to winning more championships. Shaq-Fu!
Posted by: Gunner | July 21, 2007 at 03:36 PM
TJ SIMMERS, u pank uss mfer!
Lay off Kobe or you gonna get it big time! Capice!
Posted by: Staples 24 | July 21, 2007 at 03:36 PM
TJ SIMMERS get lost! We do not need you here in LA. Kobe is Los angeles and who is TJ Simmers? a trash writer!
Posted by: Staples 24 | July 21, 2007 at 03:39 PM
TJ SImmers yo don't freakin talk like that to a KOBE BRYANT! He does waht he does to be the best. TJ Simmers does what he does to be an ignorant idot!
Posted by: Staples 24 | July 21, 2007 at 03:42 PM
Look like all the cowbells and malacy of the Arco Arena is getting in the nerves of Sonnybelkfast, these days.
I know Kings complex is worst than Phoenix Suns.
Phoenix are championless, but they have won some playoffs to the Lakers.
Kings in the other hand, are losers in both ways.
That, and the mediocry state of his team, the hopelesness, the NBDL garbaje players, will make anybody shot the moon as catharsis.
if Kobe is that moon for you, good luck, Mr Sacto.
Posted by: jorema | July 21, 2007 at 03:42 PM
Craig W,
"I like this blog and continue to check back in on it, but I do skip through a lot of the posting because of the totally negative flow of several of the blogger - just like you"
IF YOU ARE USE TO YOUR MOTHER'S SILVER SPOON TREATMENT THEN YOU ARE RIGHT. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO LAY YOUR TISSUES AND KLEENEX FOR OLD KOBIATCH.
Posted by: Gunner | July 21, 2007 at 03:50 PM
Is it not reasonable for fans to lobby against a player simply because that player is hailed as nothing less than the second coming by so many others, all, all, all the time?
Here it goes. I'll not make another disparaging remark about the Saint's value to the Lakers until someone else praises him. Is that not fair, or will you just throw another tantrum, collect your marbles and go home?
Oh, go ahead. Just go pout.
Craig W,
Thanks for the link.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 03:52 PM
Jorenema,
Now, that by your own admission I know you aren't a "white" slut, I hear you darling and think I know what you are trying to say. It is almost poetic; a catharsis composed by one. It's a beautiful day, and thank you for the good luck wishes.
Go Lakers
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 04:01 PM
Truly though Jorenema,
Don't confuse all the rest with the fact that I admire steadfast fans of almost any team (except those in Texas), and a steadfast fan you are.
I just think your loyalty would be better served if shifted to the Laker TEAM and away from your hero. Kobe Kool Aid.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 04:05 PM
Weave-Man
I don't like your trade scenario and I'll tell you why. I don't like ANY trade scenario that leaves us with Kwame as our center. Or even leaves him on the team.
He's a pouter, a whiner, and an ineffective offensive player who can't catch the ball or shoot free throws when fouled. I can forgive the foul shooting (God knows we all forgave Shaq), but I can't forgive his attitude.
Have you forgotten the playoff game last year when he didn't get the call on the offensive end, then just complained to the ref. And when his complaint fell on deaf ears he sulked and looked around for his headband while Amare ran the floor and slam dunked? That's how he played 75% of the time. I wouldn't care if he was Moses freaking Malone in the paint, that kind of attitude destroyed our morale last year and I want it gone!
There were two emotional cancers on our team - Smush and Kwame. As far as I'm concerned its one down one to go. No GM wants the Big Butterfingers as a long term solution, but if we dump him now at least we get some value for his expiring contract.
Every championship team has an all-for-one hustle attitude. Look at this years' Spurs or the Pistons team that beat us 3 years ago. Pouting is contageous and I for one don't want it anywhere on my team, let alone starting at the 5. Kwame must go!
Posted by: Jay Jay | July 21, 2007 at 04:15 PM
"There are lots and lots and lots and lots of Laker fans out here who would like to see Kobe gone and a clean Laker slate upon which to create another masterpiece."
Probably true. But I bet there are VASTLY more that would prefer to
keep Kobe with the Lakers. Like 90% to 10%. You don't give away
a superstar even if he acts human once in awhile.
Posted by: Long time Laker fan | July 21, 2007 at 04:21 PM
Jorema,
Yeah lets put another coach on the Lakers, and we'll see how Kobe handles playing for PJ Carlisemo.
Stop with the Phil bashing.
We all recognize Phil's shortcomings as a coach. He has little patience for young guys who make dumb decisions. He is much less a teacher and more of an organizer. He doesnt work well with bad teams because he talks about basketball and a high level and some idiots just want to play playground basketball and he wants professionalism even on the court. Yes that makes him an average coach for a bad team, and a great coach for a team with great players.
But give Phil this credit, he has stuck with the team for whatever image maybe he wants to have, but now after a couple of seasons, the team is actually getting to that mature stage. So stop with these stupid Phil attacks. He was the best person available for the job at the time, and is still the best coach available unless you want the coach cancer Larry Brown, the stranglee-PJ would get stranged by Kobe, or who else..Reggie Theus who would spend more time in front of the camera in hollywood than behind a bench.
Besides, if Phil had alterior motives for coming to the Lakers, so did Kobe. I mean both didnt want a poor legacy in LALA land. Look, if the Lakers return to glory and when a championship, both players get their legend status cemented, Los Angeles will forget all about the drama, and raise them up like Gods.
Posted by: The Lake-Show (former known as I miss van exel and eddie jones) | July 21, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Jorema,
Yeah lets put another coach on the Lakers, and we'll see how Kobe handles playing for PJ Carlisemo.
Stop with the Phil bashing.
We all recognize Phil's shortcomings as a coach. He has little patience for young guys who make dumb decisions. He is much less a teacher and more of an organizer. He doesnt work well with bad teams because he talks about basketball and a high level and some idiots just want to play playground basketball and he wants professionalism even on the court. Yes that makes him an average coach for a bad team, and a great coach for a team with great players.
But give Phil this credit, he has stuck with the team for whatever image maybe he wants to have, but now after a couple of seasons, the team is actually getting to that mature stage. So stop with these stupid Phil attacks. He was the best person available for the job at the time, and is still the best coach available unless you want the coach cancer Larry Brown, the stranglee-PJ would get stranged by Kobe, or who else..Reggie Theus who would spend more time in front of the camera in hollywood than behind a bench.
Besides, if Phil had alterior motives for coming to the Lakers, so did Kobe. I mean both didnt want a poor legacy in LALA land. Look, if the Lakers return to glory and when a championship, both players get their legend status cemented, Los Angeles will forget all about the drama, and raise them up like Gods.
Posted by: The Lake-Show (former known as I miss van exel and eddie jones) | July 21, 2007 at 04:24 PM
HAS HE PLAYED WITH THEM BEFORE? I DON'T THINK SO.
Only in all-star games
Posted by: Long time Laker fan | July 21, 2007 at 04:26 PM
Kevin Garnett is said to be attending the Chelsea vs Galaxy Beckham extravaganza. If he likes Soccer (as does Kobe) and likes the Hollywood blowout scene so much, wouldn't he be happier playing in LA for the Lakers than in Minnesota?
Of course, I fail to understand why anyone would be happier in Minnesota, for any reason, ever.
In the immortal words of Mamba24, FREE KG.
Posted by: Rick Friedman | July 21, 2007 at 04:36 PM
Weave-Man,
Your deal for JO won't work. Indiana wants to get rid of long term contracts,
not take them back. There's no way they would accept a deal with Vlad
Radmanovic in it. If you want to construct a realistic trade, here is the list
of all chips that Indiana would be interested in:
required players:
Odom + Bynum
optional players:
Farmar (true PG)
Crittendon (true PG)
Evans (expiring contract)
Vujacic (expiring contract)
Turiaf (expiring contract)
Brown (expiring contract)
future draft picks
Lakers take BACK long term contracts:
Murphy, Dunleavy, Daniels, or Tinsley
There might be a small chance the Lakers could get back Foster or
Diogu or Shawne Williams, depending on how much they are giving
up, but it's unlikely Indiana would want to include any of them.
Posted by: Long time Laker fan | July 21, 2007 at 04:37 PM
Well you can't accuse simers of being boring. And since journalism today is just another form of entertainment, I'd say he is doing a great job.
Truth is the real show down happens in october. Will kobe punk out and stick with his story that mihm and fisher are "great" additions to the team. Or will he stick to his earlier trade demands. And if he does route of the former, at what point do we the apologist start calling him a pretentious prick like the haters do.
I'm not saying he has to sit out training camp or hold la hostage. Just saying he better not be touting mihm and fisher as great basketball additions come october.
Posted by: Taliq | July 21, 2007 at 04:39 PM
Incidentally Jorenema,
Insomuch as you brought it up, and unlike the Lakers under the Saint's leadership, I like what our FO is doing and the direction the Kings are heading. Garcia, Martin and Williams will lead a young cast of athletic and skilled hustlers; the new generation Sacramento Kings. We'll soon be among the serious players in the all powerful west. If Artest, Bibby and Miller sort it out, so much the better.
On the other hand, so long as Kobe is still deemed your leader and even if you bring in All Star, Hall of Fame help as you have in the recent past, you and the rest of the Kobe Kool-Aid drinkers will still be reciting the same ol' lines; the same ones we heard last year, and the year before. You know them well. Help me out here. Let's recite the verses in harmony.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | July 21, 2007 at 04:39 PM