One doubts if "Bucks Blog" would have this much material to work with
The hoops universe now has something to distract from the Kobe trade scenarios- KG trade scenarios. While the four team, "This justifies all the time I spend on the Trade Machine instead of watching the kids!" mega deal fell through, apparently the Lakers and T-Wolves are still exploring a deal the old fashioned, two-team way. It's hardly a slam dunk, since there questions as to whether or not the Lakers have the chips to meet Minnesota's needs and whether or not Wolves GM Kevin McHale would sooner parachute with a bed sheet onto the 5 Freeway before sending Garnett to L.A. Then there is the matter of Kobe. ESPN's Ric Bucher reported yesterday that even a deal that nets KG wouldn't change Kobe's "trade me" stance. True or not, it may not matter. Bulls GM John Paxson has said the odds of Kobe heading to Chicago are slim, at least if the Lakers want a prime package in return.
BK
Ed,
that lineup is a nightmare! LOL! Well... also, Sacramento has no intention of gifting us Artest, the only way we get him is to overpay, badly...
Steve Blake? Man, I'd rather get Sucky Atkins back than Blake because at least we know Atkins would be benched for Farmar after about a month. I can't believe Mihm would be counted on to come back and start, you would think he would be considered a backup this year, to prove he can last an entire season on the floor. I still think the Lakers are looking at Vlad Rad as a starter next year. Kobe sure sounds like he's ready to sit out so... move Sasha in as SG. LOL! Really... "he's lights out" in practice... or so everyone keeps saying...
Posted by: TaosHum | June 26, 2007 at 03:48 PM
cnnsi.com reporting that the deal could still happen with the lakers sweetening the deal with Brickhand Brown's expiring contract and accquring troy Hudson as well.
Posted by: Chi-Town Laker | June 26, 2007 at 03:51 PM
Rob Beck and Chris Benoit and Family:
R.I.P
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | June 26, 2007 at 03:51 PM
Janice - nice take
Posted by: David Peterson | June 26, 2007 at 03:52 PM
Everyone,
You realize there is a very good chance that we go into next season with basically the same team that we had last year, right? Other than a different starting PG, there's the distinct possibility that the Lakers don't look much different than what we saw last year.
The reason I feel this way? In all these trade rumors, other teams can offer a hell of a lot better package than what we got.
It's that simple. Our overall talent and draft spot are not desirable.
That's why I say move Kobe now, to what amounts to about $.60 on the dollar with the intention of building for 3 years or so down the road.
Posted by: Andrew Z | June 26, 2007 at 03:53 PM
Kobe should never be a politician
Posted by: Alex | June 26, 2007 at 03:55 PM
Janice,
"Kobe feels "betrayed" by the FO, and says they lied to him? Hmmm...maybe the FO should jaunt on down to Rodeo Blvd and pick Kobe up a $12 mill diamond ring....those seem to soothe feelings of betrayal and having been lied to...."
Ouch, the truth stings a little.
Posted by: Andrew Z | June 26, 2007 at 04:00 PM
Please stop posting web pages with painfully long addresses that make the page widen to an annoying degree. All the worse when the link is to a John Hollinger story...
Posted by: greenpaz | June 26, 2007 at 04:05 PM
I'll be so glad when all this is over with, one way or the other.
Posted by: troy | June 26, 2007 at 04:06 PM
Everyone,
Notice how everyone is willing to give away their franchise for KG but even with him screaming about wanting to be traded, there is nothing out there about the demand for Kobe?
Just thought this was interesting.
Posted by: Andrew Z | June 26, 2007 at 04:10 PM
Why does atlanta want to keep their pick. I mean they always have a top pick and they still suck. They need to trade that pick and help the lakers.
Posted by: wow | June 26, 2007 at 04:23 PM
Ex I don't think that's possible what with the rookie/soph year in the league rule. But maybe they can be sent to Europe?
Posted by: Faith | June 26, 2007 at 04:23 PM
who wants a whiny baby who can't be trusted as the cornerstone of their franchise? no one.
Posted by: east coast fan | June 26, 2007 at 04:26 PM
There is no trade out there about Kobe because the lakers management already said they are not trading Kobe. And other teams know the lakers are not stupid enough to even consider trading Kobe. Isnt there a article that was posted were bird said no way you trade a talent like Kobe. Didnt the Suns coach even said he would never trade a guy like Kobe. Coming Andrew Z, you are better than that.
If Chicago does not want Kobe, im pretty sure the Knicks want him.
Posted by: wow | June 26, 2007 at 04:26 PM
Andrew Z,
" there is nothing out there about the demand for Kobe"
That might be a reason not to trade him at this point. I think they should look into what it would take to get Artest to the Lakers, and what Bynum would bring in a trade for draft picks. That would likely be enough to keep Kobe, although at this point there is probably not enough time to get all that done before the draft.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | June 26, 2007 at 04:29 PM
KUPCHAK IS A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS.... WITH THE BALLS OF A MOUSE
Posted by: Jim Worthy | June 26, 2007 at 04:29 PM
Nyla (nice name btw),
Don't pay any attention to any KG to phoenix deals involving Marion. Shawn Marion is officially on the record as saying he will opt out after next season if he is traded to Minnesota. Because of this, Minnesota has already said that it wants no part of Marion......especially when Odom is a better player. Minnesota wants Amare, period.
Posted by: Blkthght06 | June 26, 2007 at 04:30 PM
Andrew Z - a very good point regarding the demand for Kobe. Where are all the rumors about teams stepping up and making offers to get the #1 scorer in the league? Why does everyone want KG, but no one wants Kobe? (Becuase KG's a man a Kobe's a b**ch?). Obviously, the financials make it prohibitive for all but a handful of teams, but that's always the case when a star is on the market. If you're a GM, don't you owe it to your team to at least explore picking up KB24? But maybe GMs are laying low, waiting until the situation is really dire in LA and the Lakers have lost even more leverage. Why pick up Kobe for .60 cents on the dollar today when you can get him for .40 tomorrow?
Posted by: David Peterson | June 26, 2007 at 04:31 PM
Dr. Buss wants the Trade. Wolves owner ok with the Trade. MItch wants the Trade. Lakers on win now trend. Wolves go on rebuild mode for 3 year on way to championship aspirations. BUT there's this moron of a GM named Mchale who just doesn't get it. Wolves are not going anywhere now, no chance to be in finals in the next 3 years and after that KG is old. So Mchale's plan is lose now, lose later and hopefully keep his job because he's got KG?
Edwin G,
You're funny man. Last time I looked there was no letter Q in the Filipino alphabet so how is that a Filipino saying? Ain't spanish, certainly aint Italian maybe Japanese?
Peter Angelini
Posted by: p ang | June 26, 2007 at 04:36 PM
To Andrew Z, Janice, TaosHum, I love Van Ex,
Kobe is not going anywhere. I repeat - KOBE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. Can you people get that through your thick skulls?
You can whine all you want. According to Phil, Jerry Buss, Jeannie, Kupake, and Magic - Kobe is staying. Now move on already.
You guys call yourself fans? Gimme a break. If you hate something (Kobe) more than you love someting (Lakers), than you are a
hater. Criticizing Kobe is fine (I have plenty of complaints about Kobe), but suggesting that the team will be better, or in better shape
for the future after trading him just proves the your ignorance .
You guys sound like a group of vindictive ugly stepsisters crying about an ex-boyfriend. Janice is more concerned about who Kobe
has slept with than the future of the Laker franchise.
Janice, stick to watching Oprah and Entertainment Tonight. These shows discuss topics such as celebrity relationships and who
looks good in a red dress and sequence. These topics are probably more up your alley.
This is a repost from Gugy (I think). Please read it and get a clue:
"I am a fan of basketball not the politics that go on. Im not a Lakers or Kobe fan either. However if you understand the NBA from the business side like Kobe does it makes total sense why Kobe is on this tirade. The lakers sell out every game, sell more jerseys #24, have the most national televised games, and the highest ticket prices in the league. For the owners its like winning the championship every year. Kobe doesnt want to be used. Thats what the Lakers are doing and Kobe knows it. He just want the lakers to do their part. I laugh at all you people who spend so much time and energy throwing dirt on this guy. He is the most feared player in the league because he plays the game with a passion and love that is second to none. Why do you think guys like KG would "relish" the oppurtunity to play with him. Why do you think players like D-wade, Steve Nash, Lebron, Dirk, and even coach Pop consider him the best in the league. Even Shaq respects Kobes stance. The NBA is a business and Kobe is a basketball player. The lakers are treating Kobe like a circus freak. Kobe wants the Lakers to meet him half way. If you are a real basketball fan you will understand my point."
Posted by: Mitchell | June 26, 2007 at 04:44 PM
Nobody is making offer for Kobe because everyone knows the Lakers have no intention of trading him. That was reported weeks ago.
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | June 26, 2007 at 04:45 PM
Jordan had a marvelous team?????
When somebody tells me about the inability of Kobe to make teammates better or being a truly mvp caliber player....
I laugh...laugh....and zip my mouth trying to avoid telling to that other person:
Hey you don't know basketball history. And if you know it, you accommodate facts to prove your argument.
When Jordan retired to play Baseball...
That same Chicago team, (with Scottie Pippen) went to playoffs, and without that infamous call in favor of New York Knicks they would probably advance to Semifinals.
So, that wasn't a garbage or weak team.
Now...this Kobe-Lakers, by themselves, playing without him, and the way they are constructed now, won't win 20 games in this superb western conference.
Those who want understand, will understand.
Posted by: jorema | June 26, 2007 at 04:49 PM
I know a lot of peeps have their respective feelings about Kobe and Mitch, and anyone else in the Lakers org.
But right now, the focus should be on the Lakers trying to aquire KG; everything else can wait a few days.
I'm sitting here at work, stressing about whether the deal is gonna happen or not gonna happen, and I could care less about brainless comments about this or that person.
And to peeps posting legit news about what's going on, THANK YOU! Please guys, keep your eyes and ears open, and if you hear something legit, please pass it on.
Posted by: TheFaze | June 26, 2007 at 04:54 PM
Ex,
I think the biggest problem the Lakers have right now is that there two best trade assets (Bynum and Brown) both play the same position. Ideally it would be nice to package your young prospect, expiring and draft pick for an All-Star type player, but due to both being centers you can't make that trade unless you get a big back in return.
I wonder if this whole thing goes down with KG leaving Minny, and we're not in on it, if Minnesota would give up one of their top 10 picks for Andrew Bynum. There's talk of them getting the #5 or something and they might feel that Bynum is better than what they would get at #7. I'd take Brewer, Noah, or Green in a heartbeat over Bynum.
Posted by: Andrew Z | June 26, 2007 at 04:55 PM
10millionzen,
How reliable is Bucher? Did he ever reported something that became true?
Just asking....
Posted by: dacsila | June 26, 2007 at 04:56 PM
P. Ang,
So sad that the deal is melting under the hot sun but there still hope on other deals if Lakers F/O just keep on trying. Never say die, just keeps calling other teams we could swing other trades to improve the laker but not in 3 or 4 years as AZ as envisioned.
With regards to Filipino saying, remember the Philippines was under Spain for 300 years. The Pilipino language, tagalog may not use "q" but many old Filipinos use a lot of spanish quotations mixed with spanish. I always hear that quotation from my father (may he rest in peace) which really refers to a woman who plays hard to get normally, known as a Maria Clara. "Hele-hele (she keeps on saying no) bago quiere' (combination of tagalog and spanish, which means, the truthis that she loves him). So P. Ang, this is something new in the blog that you would not learn from any traditional source not even google.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | June 26, 2007 at 04:57 PM
Andrew Z,
I don't think Phoenix is good enough to win it with KG, while losing Amare. Not because one is better than the other. It's because the Suns don't have any post game. The Suns run all the way through Steve Nash. Almost from start to finish their offense is dependant on Steve Nash to penetrate. How often did you see an enty pass to the post? Almost zero.
What the Spurs did to Steve Nash was open 4 cans of whop ass on him.
The first can was the head butt to open his nose up.
The second can was a dose of Bruce Bowen hounding him.
The third can was Robert Horry sending him to scores table on his ass.
The forth can was another dose of Bruce Bowen hounding him.
That's how you beat the Phoenix Suns. You get physical on Steve Nash because they have no post game and KG isn't going to change that. If the offense runs through KG then it limits what Steve Nash will do over the couse of 48 minutes.
So, to me, the Suns are the same if they have either KG or Amare. If they had both then that's another story.
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | June 26, 2007 at 04:57 PM
I don't get the Phoenix-Atlanta-Wolves deal. Is Phoenix planning on sending Amare to Atlanta or Minny? If the Hawks are giving up their #3, then they have to get something good in return, right? Minny's #7 + Barbosa for the #3 sounds good?
Posted by: hariyahu | June 26, 2007 at 04:59 PM
wouldn't it be fuuny if the lakers traded kobe to minny. Then KB and KG would be together, they just wouldn't be playing for the lakers...
That was a really sad dream I had
Posted by: bob | June 26, 2007 at 04:59 PM
New Campaign of disinformation.
I had read 10 or 12 columns talking about Lakers-Wolves trade and all of them are imploring Minny to turn down the trade. They argue that Minny is getting robbed.
I know what is behind those e comments.
Kobe heaters are united in trying to disrupt this trade.
Kevin McHale being the dumbest GM that he is (Mitch same league) is backtracking afraid of being crucified for reporters.
This team didn't make the playoffs, how less far can they be?
If Kevin doesn't look into the future...he is delaying a possibility of recovering the franchise to respectability.
Kobe heaters are working 24 hours, that's for sure.
Hate, as fascists knows can be very useful and a powerful engine to acomplish any task, specially if the word destroy is present.
Posted by: jorema | June 26, 2007 at 05:00 PM
DEEP THOUGHTS, by KBA
I've been staying up watching NBATV. They're showing old drafts, which is pretty interesting, knowing how the players turned out. I've also seen some games from the late 80's. The way Michael Jordan was guarded in the post vs the way Kobe has been guarded by Raja Bell is night and day. In Jordan's day, the defender laid off when MJ got position, usually with about an arm's length of space
between MJ's back and the defender. Contrast that with what Raja Bell gets away with - shoving, pushing, using his chest from behind Kobe!
I'm just saying ...
Posted by: Kobe Apologist | June 26, 2007 at 05:04 PM
Why everyone want KG and not Kobe.?
Well, he already said: only three teams have a chance.
As far as I Know...nobody wants that KG salary.
Suns are giving Minny the same player that they will give Lakers for Kobe: Swam Marion.
Kobe trade cause 10 time more buss between GMs that Garnett.
If you are willing to believe Andrew Z....be prepared...
The guy is a Kobe heater. A quiet one, but a heater
Posted by: jorema | June 26, 2007 at 05:06 PM
Andrew Z,
Assuming we do that trade with the Hawks, this is what we'd end up looking like:
C - Kwame/Bynum/Wright
PF - LO/Turiaf/Cookie
SF - Luke/Vlad/#19
SG - Joe Johnson/Mo Evans/Vujacic
PG - Conley/Farmar/Scrub
How far do you reckon that squad would go? In the west? IF Bynum comes along, IF Conley/Farmar pan out and IF LO stays injury free, may be we can make some noise in the playoffs. That's a lot of IFs for not much reward. Depressing, isn't it? That's why I say we look at the next three years, and not the next 10.
Posted by: hariyahu | June 26, 2007 at 05:10 PM
I MISS VAN EXEL AND EDDIE JONES
“I find it personally HILLARIOUS that John Paxon doesnt think that Kobe and parts can with the title. Kobe practically has begged to be a part of the Bulls, telling fans to "go get a Bulls Jersey" and yada yada yada.”
John Paxon is my hero. Why blow up an up-and-coming Bulls team for kobe?
“Kobe thinks that if he just walks over to the Eastern Conference he can pull a LeBron and take a team to the title himself.”
kobe ain’t no LBJ.
“That has to be a slap in the face of Kobe.”
kob needs to be biatched slapped a few more times.
“if the answer is yes, then obviously you support the idea that Kobe cannot carry the team himself.”
this was pretty obvious when shaq left LA. I don’t know what kobe was think. it’s not like kobe was the reason for the championships, it was shaq and solid role players…….i include kobe in the role player category.
“Which means Kobe isnt as good as jordan, is not the best player in the game, is not the difference maker”
the problem with kobe is that someone got in his head that being kobe wasn’t good enough (hence, my Self Loather nickname) and kobe’s been on a quest to dethrone the King (I don’t mean LBJ either).
MITCHELL=KOBE’S AGENT=BOB SUGAR
“First of all, ONE player cannot carry the entire team to a championship. Go ask Wilt. Your [I miss van ex] ignorance is simply amazing.”
there you go again making personal attacks again mr Kobe agent. you say one person can’t carry a team to the championship, but isn’t this the kobe premise to rid of shaq?? now you’re biatching that kobe can’t go at it alone? which is it? you talking out of both sides of your mouth just like kobe.
“That same Bulls team went to the Eatern Conf Finals WITHOUT Jordan you moron.”
I just love the personal attacks.
“Put Kobe on a Western Conf finalist (Utah, SA) or even a semi-finalist (Houston. Phoenix), and the team will win the championship. Are you friggin kidding me?”
COULDA, WOULDA, SHOULDA……….anymore excuses? I suppose kobe can be president of the United States too?
“Of course the team was better with Jordan. My point was that he had a decent group of teamates that could compete without him. Kobe' teamates are a lottery team. 'Nuff said.”
how do you suppose we got to this situation of playing with lottery teammates??? kobe wanted to be the man in LA, and now he’s crying like a baby. BTW, i bet if some guys on the laker squad play with LBJ, they won't be "lottery" teammates..........ouch, that must hurt.
JANICE
“The 93-94 bulls without Jordan made it to the eastern conf semis, not the finals. Get your facts straight bud.”
Mitchell is an a$$...........lips on kobe’s a$$ that is.
HARI=SAMIR FROM OFFICE SPACE
“Whoa Boy...get a hold of yourself. I never said Kobe compares to Jordan, or that Kobe can carry a team by himself (he clearly can't. Niether could Jordan, but that's besides the point) or a lot of the other crap you are insinuating that I came up with.”
Hari, I need IT support. Dude were you even born in the Jordan years? BTW, you’re always talking about “facts”. the only thing factual is that you don’t’ know the facts……….THE BLOG IS ALL SPECULATION AND HEARSAY FOOL. Quit acting like a smart-arse and get me IT support.
ALEX
“Kobe should never be a politician”
kobe would make a fine politician, kobe speaks out of both sides of the mouth as well as both sides of his a$$.
Posted by: KLBeast | June 26, 2007 at 05:11 PM
JOURNAL OF NICKNAMES FOR KOBE AND KOBE DISCIPLES (update#4)
*Additions from previous version
Kobe Bryant is the:
Big Whiner
Big Pluto
Big Charlatan
Big Loser
Big Malcontent
Big Narcist
Big Rat
Big Snake
Big Mambo, Mambo#8, Mambo#24
Big Tito Jackson
Big LaToya Jackson
Big Faker
Big Blamer
Big Finger Pointer
Big Du-mass
Big Backstabber
Big Pippen Wannabe
Big Dominic Wannabe
Big Drama Queen
Big Irrelevant (credit to Gunner24)
Big Crybaby
Big Envy
Big Green with Envy
Big “Be Like Mike”
Big $3Million Dollar “to Make You Holler” Ring
Big “Trade Me, Don’t Trade Me, Trade Me Again”
Big Waffle
Big “Right Now”
Big Jerkoff
Big A$$hole
Big Britney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton
Big Diva
Big KBiatch
Big Primadonna
Big Liar
Big Tantrum
Big Poision
Big Selfish
Big Loner
Big Anti-LBJ and Anti-Wade
Big Unnatural Elbow
Big Dirty Player
Big Love Me, Hate Me Stupid Nike Ad
Big Cheater
Big Adulterer
Most Selfish Ever
Great Individual (credit to Maleke)
*Big Self Loather
*Big Unhappy
*Big Insatiable
*Big Conceited
*Big Prick (credit to Waterboy)
*Big Bad Apple
Kobe Disciples are:
Kobe Apologist=Kobe's Toilet
Mitchell=Kobe’s Agent=Jerry McGuire
LakerTom=KobeTom
Troy=Al Sharpton or Jesse Jacskon
Hariyahu=Samir from Office Space
Ric Bucher=Kobe’s Puppet Not Named Mitchell=Kobe’s Whipping Boy
Posted by: KLBeast | June 26, 2007 at 05:12 PM
As I post marc Stein is speaking on ESPN saying that the deal is currently in hibernation looking for the 3rd team that will give Minny a cap space and/or low draft pick. So Lakers and Phoenix could not fulfill that need.
However, the fracture deal between Pacers i.e. JO + Murphy = LO + Bynum + Kwame is still there. I hope Kupchak will make counter offer of replacing Odom with Luke + Vlad. That will produce lakers: Kobe, LO and JO that's good enough.
Another scenario is to go for Bynum + Vlad + Luke + kwame = JO
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | June 26, 2007 at 05:18 PM
Sheesh! (That's right, "Sheesh.") There are alot of poor poker players on this blog!
All of the teams in these scenarios (Lakers, Wolves, Hawks, Celtics, Pacers, Suns, Mavs, Kings, etc.) are under pressure to improve. All of the major players in these scenarios are either demanding action or have contracts that require some kind of movement (Kobe, KG, Marion, O'Neil). Each of the GMs in these scenarios have giant magnifying glasses hovering over them focusing searing heat on their heads, none of them wants to ok a deal that will put them on the "loser" side of the public opinion equation, and each of them has historical biases clouding their vision, a la Lakers v. Celtics. If anything goes down, it will probably be at the last minute, when it's do or die time. Keep in mind that none of the proposed deals (that have any chance) is a perfect win for any team. That makes it especially difficult to pull the trigger.
Most of the cards are on the table, but not all of them . . . yet. There are two more days of pain and suffering for us fans before the first "do or die" time: the draft. There is still an excellent chance to get KG, and more than enough time to do a Kobe trade if we're unlucky with the trades. It has nothing to do with Mitch or Buss. At this point, it has everything to do with McHale, Ainge and Bird playing their hands as long as possible to try to play off the Lakers and Suns' respective sense of desperation to make a season-changing move. None of those Celtic-controlled teams can afford to do nothing, so just give it some time. I wouldn't be at all surprised if McHale, Ainge and Bird have a collective strategy in play here, trying to squeeze potential trading partners by ganging up.
Remember, just because they want it all, doesn't mean they won't settle for less when it comes down to it. We've made the Wolves a better offer than Phoenix: Odom is better than Marion, Bynum (for rebuilding) plus Kwame (for cap relief) is better than Thomas, and #19 is better than #24 and #25 (although next year's #1 from Atlanta might be pretty good). The former Celtics are just making the Lakers, Suns and possibly the Mavs jump through some hoops to try to get them more through another team, like Atlanta.
Some of what Mitch and Jerry are doing right now is trying to show the Wolves that there aren't any other trading possibilities. That doesn't mean the Wolves won't wait until the all-star break trading deadline to see if any other trading possibilities develop, but it does mean that the ball is really in Minnesota's court.
We still have an excellent chance. Keep the faith!!!!
GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: RespectMyAuthoritah | June 26, 2007 at 05:19 PM
Andrew Z, et al.
"Notice how everyone is willing to give away their franchise for KG"
Uh,yer wrong.
1) What team is giving up their franchise?
2) Unlike KB, Kobe only earmarked certain teams that he'll be traded to, and those teams were pretty generous with what they're offering.
2) Phoenix isn't gutting their team to get KG. They're offering Marion (uncessary), Thomas (old) and some draft picks. I'd hardly call that gutting. It's not like they're giving up Nash and Stoudamire.
3) Unlike KG, Kobe doesn't want to go to a gutted team. A gutted team wouldn't be a contender, and Kobe wants to go to a contender, and he made that clear.
Posted by: troy | June 26, 2007 at 05:22 PM
Kobe Bean Bryant is a brilliant man, the best athlete on the planet, and certainly the best basketball player in the world. He's love and admired by fans in all countries, around the world. This is proven by his jersey being the most popular selling jersey. The majority of NBA players consider him to be a good friend, and would love to play with him. Even Shaq now sees him as a friend, as their children play together and the families exchange gifts for the kids. The guy's a great father, a great husband, and a role model for youth around the world. Even his detractors, whom are vastly in the minority, cannot compromise his legend. They can only get a pathetic pleasure out of desperately trying, and patting each other on the backs when they do. How insignificant!
No contest...Kobe Bryant WINS. He RULES. Get over it.
Posted by: troy | June 26, 2007 at 05:28 PM
Actually Mitchell, jordan won in 91 with just Pip and a bunch of role players. It is tautological to say that players don't win without good teamates...it's a team game, that holds true 100% of the time. However, great players help bring out the greatness in others. Kobe fairly clearly does not do that currently.
Posted by: Janice | June 26, 2007 at 05:30 PM
dacsila
How Are You Going To Tell Me That I Got It From The Grapevine? I Heard It On ESPN.
Posted by: J-Cool | June 26, 2007 at 05:33 PM
my two cents...
This is a good trade. this is aLL good for the lakers. Odom, is not going to be better... i like him but i really think he is overrated... "Bynum is a FUTURE great center" is an exageration... People who think we are jeopardizing our future if we we trade Bynum is on drugs.... KWame, well we he's the cherry on the ice cream on this trade - just because he can me disposed off after a year - one word "CAPSPACE"...
Then you have KG in return... i mean WOW... McHale would really be crazy if he trigger this deal... i mean this is a totally onesided deal...
This is a win-win deal for LA because:
1. they can convince kobe to stay for at least a year to look if its gonna work.
2. if it does work, then you are in the run for a championship for the next 3-5 years... Im not saying its an instant RING for LA but, its going to be better in a lot of ways...
3. if it doesnt work then you can always keep KG and trade kobe for better players.... at least you have KG to pacify the fan base...
The only thing here is that, im not sure if Minni will want what we have... unless we have another team to include to the mix...
im a bit hesitant with broadcast trades... talking about it too much wont help... I just hope this comes through...
Posted by: jaworski | June 26, 2007 at 05:38 PM
Andrew Z
No interest in Kobe? Because Kobe is unavailable and untouchable.
Source: All Laker top people. Mitch re-confirmed on Sunday, "We are not trading Kobe" "He is the cornerstone of our team" Enough said.
Kobe is staying. Whether he likes or not.
Fatty
Posted by: Fatty | June 26, 2007 at 05:42 PM
Janice
Kobe is great at improving his teamates. I suggest you watch the games with your eyes open next you see a Laker game.
Fatty
Posted by: Fatty | June 26, 2007 at 05:44 PM
Sorry Laker fans, your garbage wont land you KG. How 'bout YOU trade Kobe to the Wolves for Foye, #7, and whatever contracts necessary to unite KG & Kobe in Minny? Ridiculous? Yeah, just like the Wolves accepting Odom, Bynum, Brown and/or #19. They're better off just letting Garnett walk in a year or two as their "expiring" contract.
Posted by: Joe | June 26, 2007 at 05:47 PM
KL,
Maybe, just MAYBE, your computer would stop rebooting if you stopped plugging the power cord up your @rse.
And as for BLOG being HEARSAY, when it comes to you it's not HEARSAY..it's HAY ARSE!
Posted by: hariyahu | June 26, 2007 at 05:48 PM
DAVID PETERSON
“Andrew Z - a very good point regarding the demand for Kobe. Where are all the rumors about teams stepping up and making offers to get the #1 scorer in the league? Why does everyone want KG, but no one wants Kobe? (Becuase KG's a man a Kobe's a b**ch?).”
well said Mr. Peterson. BTW, welcome to the blog.
“Why pick up Kobe for .60 cents on the dollar today when you can get him for .40 tomorrow?”
hence why kobe’s the Most Selfish Ever. kobe’s screwing the franchise and the fans and some of us in the blog acts as though they are kobe’s toilet just taking in all the crap and asking for more.
MITCHELL=KOBE’S AGENT
“Kobe is not going anywhere. I repeat - KOBE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. Can you people get that through your thick skulls?”
come again?
“You guys call yourself fans? Gimme a break. If you hate something (Kobe) more than you love someting (Lakers), than you are a hater.”
dude, you remind me of kobe more and more everyday………a self loather projecting on others.
“Criticizing Kobe is fine (I have plenty of complaints about Kobe), but suggesting that the team will be better, or in better shape for the future after trading him just proves the your ignorance .”
first off, I’ve never heard one complaint from you regarding your client (except that he doesn’t shot enough) and second, I suppose a .500 club is your definition that the team is doing fine? perhaps I have you all wrong, as long as your client is fine, that’s all that matters. ever heard of the expression "less is more" and "addition by subtraction"?
“You guys sound like a group of vindictive ugly stepsisters crying about an ex-boyfriend. Janice is more concerned about who Kobe has slept with than the future of the Laker franchise.”
again with the personal attacks. there was a reason I thought you and your client are an a$$ and I just remembered why.
“Janice, stick to watching Oprah and Entertainment Tonight. These shows discuss topics such as celebrity relationships and who looks good in a red dress and sequence. These topics are probably more up your alley.”
not only are we being an a$$, we are being a discriminatory a$$. it’s getting better every moment. please smoke a fatty, and I don’t mean Fatty from AZ. Fatty form AZ’s got his own issues………called McRibs and lots of them.
TROY=AL SHARPTON=JESSE JACKSON
“Kobe Bean Bryant is a brilliant man, the best athlete on the planet, and certainly the best basketball player in the world. He's love and admired by fans in all countries, around the world.”
man you smoking crack?
“contest...Kobe Bryant WINS. He RULES. Get over it.”
I guess you win and I lose.
Posted by: KLBeast | June 26, 2007 at 05:50 PM
great husband and role model? lmfao. what are you smoking?
Posted by: east coast fan | June 26, 2007 at 05:51 PM
Respectmyauthoritah,
There your are, remember WE HAD A DREAM within the last 24 hours, we still have 20 hours to go KEEP THAT DREAM ALIVE.....
Be positive in your post if you want the Lakers to improve. Suggest ideas and minimize criticisms at this moment. People are on the phones making wheelin' and dealin' as you all suggested but you keep on trashing our team or our players or put them in hibernation for the next four to five years. Look at Celtics, this greedy lephrechaun, Ainge not satisfied with JO because he was a perceived personal enmity, he lost the deal and he may lose a Superstar. Imagine a combination of Pierce and JO, all they lost was #5, Telfair, jefferson (being asked) and ratcliff. What happens now? Pierce asking for a trade? Greediness breeds unhappiness.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | June 26, 2007 at 05:57 PM
Andrew Z
"That's why I say move Kobe now, to what amounts to about $.60 on the dollar with the intention of building for 3 years or so down the road."
What a poor business decision that would be. You can not mix your emotions into this business. You will be taken advantage of every time. A good GM must look at the entire situation rationally. And especially never base a decision out of hate.
Calm down now and and start to think rationally.
Fatty
Posted by: Fatty | June 26, 2007 at 05:57 PM