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It's not clear yet who'll be on the 2007-2008 roster

But whichever lucky 15 players don the purple and gold, the Lakers must hire this cat to create their likenesses.  Seriously, that is masterful work on display (although one could make an argument that the artist perhaps needs to get out more).  And bottom line, there can't be a more intimidating sight than that of an Etch A Sketched Kobe Bryant.  Not possible.  You leave one of those renderings in the visitor's locker room as a warning sign, I guarantee the coach immediately declares a forfeit and puts his team back on the bus.  Done deal.  You just don't screw with the Etch A Sketch.

Question.  When it comes to sketching Sasha, would you prefer a vision of him hoisting from behind the arc, creating what all agree is a picture-perfect stroke?  Or would you rather see the anguish typically boiling over 1.4 times every 12:48 minutes, that moment of "me against the world" emotion commonly referred to as "the face?" 

Me?  I'm voting "face."

-AK

 
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Faith:

I still love Thabo. But we ain't trading Kobe to get him.

Tom

Andrew Z,
"Now, don't you think Lebron would consider coming to LA to be the man in Hollywood? "

Absolutely, positively, hell no. Never, ever, or ever. LeBron will be a lifelong Cavalier unless something unbelievably horrible happens.

Wade, Melo, and Bosh? Different story, especially Carmello if he teamed up with Kobe (as they are good friends), but since you're talking about him relocating to Los Angeles in place of Kobe, then my answer for him is also no, not that I can forsee.

Wade? Probably not unless we have some serious pieces that would lure him here.

Bosh, much more likely regardless.

Re: Making judgements on athletes
If I run across an NBA player in the gym and then had the audacity to tell anyone in the gym (the player or anyone else for that matter) that he sucked, that would be akin to saying I'm better than that player and I'm prepared to back that up. I suppose there are other circumstances where a player could say a particular guy sucks in a way that actually means "I'm better than him"... but 99.9% of the time this isn't the case.

Most fans don't play hoops. Most fans barely ever played hoops at any significant level. Likewise, most fans don't understand much of what they see on the court, but a seasoned fan who has watched NBA games for decades probably has a general feel for the read and react nature of the game. They may not be able to execute this if they actually had to, but they could understand it. Also, when a fan says a player sucks, do they mean the player really does suck (after all, that guy is good enough to make it professionally), or is it a relative comment? I'd say, it's a relative comment in relation to the other players that guy goes against night in and night out. It's essentially a comparison between more than one player. It's less of a judgement to say Smush is not as good as Nash. In this case, Smush is not as good as 9 out of 10 opponents he plays against on a given night, therefore, saying smush sucks actually means he's subpar verses the competition he sees everyday.

If you took Smush and put him in the D league, you could't really say he sucks (I mean, look at Von Wafer).

It's a whole different story judging a person's work ethic. No one can say that Mark Madsen doesn't work hard (though I promise you there are areas he certainly doesn't ever work to improve)... a guy like Shaq with all the talent in the world, barely worked on his game during his whole career. Certainly, he's not lazy like us fans like to say, he's just not as motivated as other players around him (and let's face it, Kobe had a way of making just about everyone around him look lazy).

Certainly none of us in this blog are "better" than anyone who plays professionally. That does not mean that a fan can't make a judgement that is relative to a players peers. Now if I'm in a gym and Cookie comes walking in, I keep my mouth shut about the guys defense... because I promise you, it's enough to send me home crying if we ever met head to head.

Rockets to pass on Artest trade

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba

Edwin,
My Prayers and thoughts go your way. I've never met you. I probably never will. But, I understand losing close friends and family. Nothing anyone can say, nothing anyone can do can replace the hole left inside. I am sorry. Somedays will be good ones. Somedays will be tough to get through. Time will help... some.

At the same time, after reading so much bickering back and forth on the blog, i want to commend everyone for remembering that we are family. Everyone is here with welcoming open arms for Edwin's return.
Although we argue back and forth all day long, we always come back. Although we pick fights and find ways to segregate bloggers, we share "our" blog. Although life can throw some vicious blows, we can seek a reprieve in the blog.
Thanks for always being there, Blog.
Thanks for bloggers always stopping by (or never leaving).
Thanks for being a "cyber family".
It's nice to see everyone's here for eachother when the going gets tough.

did anybody post this link?

http://thekobevideo.com/

I hope somebody is keeping track of all this, Kobe goes on the radio and gets more and more riled up, an "insider" blames Kobe for Shaq leaving, Shaq supports Kobe, Kobe demands a trade, Jerry Buss gets sent to the pokey for drunk driving, then Jerry goes off on some "in search of 20 something hot chicks" 3 week vacation, "Johnny" Buss comes from out of nowhere and wishes Kobe well wherever he ends up, now some guy is selling video of Kobe going off, bashing Bynum and trashing the Lakers, and I'm sure I missed a few things in there... LOL!

TaosHu,

I like to use the line at the top, not for Bynum but for Kobe. If this tape is legit and Kobe is in public saying whatever he is about the Lakers and his teammates, then I don't want any part of him, championships, season tickets, jersey sales or not.

That's what i don't understand about trading for bynum/odom. If we traded for kobe we'd be recieveing more than ample parts, in exchange for his value, but if we trade the former we'd be getting Jermaine o'neal. Afterall, jermaine is just one player, albeit a consitent and talented player he's just one player. And really, he doesn't solve the lakers core issue, and that it is defense at the 1 and 3. So if the opportunity arrised to trade kobe, wouldn't it be responsible of management to do so. As to not mortgage the future for a not to bright present.

I see the team of kobe and Jermaine winning about 46 games or so. That would not be a result anyone on in the lakers franchise would be rooting for. So why not have a similar result, but with a stronger core of good players, and hopefully with any luck a way brighter future; like supernova bright, i.e. arenas or anyother top shelf talent.

As a side note! I'm thinking that if bryant and arenas switched co-stars, they'd be much better off; becuase I think odom would compliment arenas and jamison would better compliment bryant. Just a thought.

****BREAKING NEWS*****

SOURCE: ESPNEWS

"The Lakers and Pacers have come to agreements on a blockbuster deal that would send the disgruntled all-star Jermaine O'neal and Danny Granger to LA for a suprising package of Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Maurice Evans and LA's 2007 1st round draft pick. The trade is not official yet, but the teams are working on completing the deal before the draft comes around."

I KNEW IT! I knew this would happen, and it's about time.


GO LAKE SHOW 2007-2008!!!

not only that andrew, but that team you put together would run the offense very well. Which might eleviate the need for a go to scorer in the interim.

That's a team I could root for.

J-Cool,
I checked out that link and then went to the link it provided, and it appears Houston passing on Artest is speculation by a blogger. Why would they be in trade talks with Sacramento if they were going to pass on him (unless the trade price was just too high). The blogger even admitted, the price is right.

uhm, no that hasn't been posted, and it's not true!

The Waterboy,

Welcome brother, I too was a waterboy at one point. That’s why I gave up on trying to make the NBA………and the fact that I’m under 6 foot and have no reliable J and handles is another reason, but I digress.

“I play basketball but I kinda suck at it. I can make my free throws though. Am I allowed to say Shaq is a lazy bum? You can't have all the fun, eh?”

Fair enough. LOL. Hey, I do respect kobe for this work ethic and b-ball skillz. Yo did you see the dialoge between me and Ventriloquist? Pretty funny stuff.

Andrew z,

“Absolutely Marbury and Francis for their contracts. Although, they are both upgrades over Smush, and take care of our PG problem, lol!”

No question starbury and francis are upgrades, but I’m think of championship and that takes guys who have talent and work well together. Having said that, I’ll take those guys for entertainment value. I’d love to bash on starbury. The dude could have done nice things up in Minny with KG but wanted to the “man”. Starbury has been the “man” of one-man shows for the last decade.

“I wouldn't want Q-Rich or Crawford of any other long deal.”

I’m not completely sold on Crawford, but both q-rich and craw seem closer to solid role players than long-term pieces to championship teams.

“We tried to go "halfway" when we broke up the last good Laker team in the Shaq trade and have been staring down the barrell of mediocrity and frustration with no end in sight since.”

Very true my friend, you can’t have it both ways. I wish someone would have told kobe that when he was “flirting” with free agency and forcing management into a decision on either [emphasis on “either”] shaq or kobe. Was kobe really thinking that a roster with kobe and “them other guys” alone would take the lakers back to contending form? I was laughing so hard when I heard the “secret” free agency acquisition last summer was shammon Williams. i was thinking wasn’t shammon the dude in seattle with the giant fro.

“If we move Kobe, do so with the intention of building from the ground up.”

Yes, yes, yes. A group with a collective goal of winning a championship, not individual bling. Nice chat.

Tim-4-show,

“Absolutely, positively, hell no. Never, ever, or ever. LeBron will be a lifelong Cavalier unless something unbelievably horrible happens.”

Sadly, I agree with you that LBJ (aka the Anti-Kobe) will stay in Cleveland to build the “House of LBJ”, much like the “House of Shaq/Magic/Kareem/…and the “House of Jordan”. Note to kobe-lovers, no “House of Kobe”. Old kob’s gotta earn is oats in the playoffs, not scoring titles.

“Wade, Melo, and Bosh? Different story, especially Carmello if he teamed up with Kobe (as they are good friends), but since you're talking about him relocating to Los Angeles in place of Kobe, then my answer for him is also no, not that I can forsee.”

Melo could be a possibility if what you say is true about him and kob being “good friends”. Seems like everyone in the league is “good friends” with old-man kobe until it comes to play in LA.

“I'd say, it's a relative comment in relation to the other players that guy goes against night in and night out. It's essentially a comparison between more than one player. It's less of a judgement to say Smush is not as good as Nash. In this case, Smush is not as good as 9 out of 10 opponents he plays against on a given night, therefore, saying smush sucks actually means he's subpar verses the competition he sees everyday.”

Fair enough.

“a guy like Shaq with all the talent in the world, barely worked on his game during his whole career.”

Maybe you can give me insight on where you draw your conclusion? i believe (perhaps wrongly) that talent alone won’t get you championship in the NBA (in any profession for that matter).

“Certainly, he's not lazy like us fans like to say, he's just not as motivated as other players around him (and let's face it, Kobe had a way of making just about everyone around him look lazy).”

Fair enough.

“Now if I'm in a gym and Cookie comes walking in, I keep my mouth shut about the guys defense... because I promise you, it's enough to send me home crying if we ever met head to head.”

Ain’t that the truth. Not a good feeling being dominated in the gym by anybody. LOL.

KL,

Shaq is professional? Remember surgery on the 'company time'? This is not a professional approach. In any 'regular' profession such an employee would fired on spot. It’s also unprofessional do not work off season on your (his) biggest weakness – free throw shooting, bearing in mind his refusal to work with special free throw coach hired by the team. I would also consider unprofessional showed up in training camp overweight and out of shape especially if you have any respect for team paying you 20M per year. This is my take on ‘professionalism’ of your beloved Shaq.

I haven't seen or heard anything that would confirm that, but if it's true the Lakers should get the paperwork filed before the Pacers change their mind.

BK

BK,

I don't think it can be true. Salary wise all the trades should match within what, 10%? O'Neal alone making next year more than 19M, how it's going to work?

I second BK's comment on the "trade" with the Pacers. I don't see anything on ESPN.com about it. Sounds like a rumor, a la "Odom for Boozer, done deal," courtesy Jack Haley.

I'm okay as long as we don't give up Odom AND Bynum for one player.

LAL_Fan,

Thanks for the post. I guess you’re taking a break from LakerTomboy’s blacklist?

“Shaq is professional? Remember surgery on the 'company time'? This is not a professional approach.”

if what you say is true, it’s a fair statement, but I get the feeling there are circumstantial reasonings that we don’t know about and a typical kobe tactic is to leak bad press about others. So I’m can’t argue you’re point one way or another. I will say that if [emphasis on “if”] what you say is true, that sucks.

“In any 'regular' profession such an employee would fired on spot. It’s also unprofessional do not work off season on your (his) biggest weakness – free throw shooting, bearing in mind his refusal to work with special free throw coach hired by the team.”

Dude everyone has weaknesses. Do you have inside information that shaq wasn’t working on his free throws. When I watch the dude shoot free throws, it’s a different form every time. Even way back to the 00-02 championship runs on ESPN Classic 2 weeks ago. I don’t remember the special free throw coach issue. i guess you gonna call ben wallance a lazy ass too for being a bad free-thow shooter? BTW, i bet shaq can make more free throw and both you and me.

“I would also consider unprofessional showed up in training camp overweight and out of shape especially if you have any respect for team paying you 20M per year. This is my take on ‘professionalism’ of your beloved Shaq.”

Maybe the guy has big bones, maybe the guys getting old, maybe the guy would rather spend time with kids in the offseason, maybe ad nauseum. “Being in shape” is a relative term. I frankly didn’t care if the guy was 500 lbs as long as the lakers were winning and competing for championships. This weight issue is another one of kobe’s shenanigans to discredit shaq as the leader of the lakers…….just my opinion. BTW, it’s not so much that I “belove” shaq as much as my “belove” for the laker team. Look without shaq, we went from perennial contender to perennial chumps. That’s all the evidence I need. Thanks for the chat, I appreciate your time.

LAL Fan-

I believe it's up to 25% now, but no, it doesn't seem to satisfy the rule. Shame, too, since it's a good deal for the Lakers.

BK

LAL Fan,

I put the numbers through the trade machine and you're right, the salries don't match. The Lakers would need to throw in another 4 mil or so.

I won't believe this until I see it confirmed. Not just because that's the responsible way of doing things, but because this strikes me as a terrible trade for Indiana. I can't believe they'd give up JO and Granger (the best player they'd have left) without making the Lakers take on Tinsley, Dunleavy, or some bad contract. But if Mitch Kupchak can find the throw-in filler to make it happen, incredible coup for the purple and gold. Getting two quality players while keeping LO? Major pull.

AK

That's crazy!

"The Lakers and Pacers have come to agreements on a blockbuster deal that would send the disgruntled all-star Jermaine O'neal and Danny Granger to LA for a suprising package of Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Maurice Evans and LA's 2007 1st round draft pick. The trade is not official yet, but the teams are working on completing the deal before the draft comes around."

O'Neil and Granger's salaries total 21million.
Bynum, Brown, and Evans total 12 million.

You can't even get O'Neil by himself for Bynum, Brown, Evans, and the 19 pick. The salaries don't match up. Not even close.

mike

Can U shout? is that serious????
If so, Mitch just went from whipping boy to a true Jerry West protege! Granger and Oneill, w/o losing ODOM, thank god!!!

If this goes down...

farmar
kobe
granger
odom
oneill

+
luke
sasha
turiaf
vlrad

OMG not even the crazy trade talk on this blog (almost always outrageous and unrealistic) could imagine this. This is a frikin STEAL!

If you want to speculate on a trade, go ahead, but don't claim ESPN News is reporting it when they clearly are NOT.

Re: Shaq's Free Throw Shooting
I never believed the BS line that we were fed that there was a problem with Shaq's hands and his wrist. Neither of these explain his total inabiltiy to shoot a decent percentage from the line. The primary factor with Shaq's free throws is that his elbow is far too low and he tends to lean in too much. Yes it's true that just about every free throw the guy takes is different. The one year Shaq had a coach to work on this, he actually started performing those two changes. They weren't consistent though, which is CLEAR evidence that the skill hasn't been performed enough to develop muscle memory. When Shaq raised his elbow more and then leaned back (providing even more lift and a little more balance) he was more successful. I never tabulated it, BUT in watching the games, I could tell you when he was about to miss or about to make it depending solely on those two factors. I'd say when he made that adjustment, his free throw shooting was in the 80% range.

What was most discouraging was that Shaq was clearly having success making two minor changes, yet failed to make this a habit. Habits in athletic movement CAN be altered, even after YEARS of doing it wrongly.

KL

I agree with you about winning with some reservation. If person was carying extra weight, especially close to 350 lbs it's also HUGE load on his joints, which is maiking him more vulnerable to get hurt during the season. Fot this season Shaq should send 10M refund to Miami because this is exactly what he played - 40 games. About surgery on 'company time' it's not a Kobe's press, it's Shaq own words, check papers aka 2001or 2002 I believe. His reasoning was, 'I got hurt on company time, I'm getting surgery on company time'. You can also read his book (I did it 5 or 7 years ago) about all his whole approach of 'take it easy' during the regular season. And last thing, about free throws. Lakers got him coach I believe after 2002 season and this is when his % went 'over roof' something like 62 or 64. But after that was famous 'I making them when it counts'. You probably also remeber how many he was missing when its really was 'time when it counts'. Last season - 42% In fact he never shot 50% after 2002-2003 season.

AK/BK

Can you tell me if you know in monetary sense, how much does it cost 19th pick from the first round. I’m pretty sure it should be close to guaranteed contract salary for the rookie drafted under this position.

LAL Fan,

Quincy Douby was the 19th pick last year and made about 1.2 mil. So I'm guessing that's more or less the numbers with this year's #19 pick.

AK

LAL_Fan,
“If person was carying extra weight, especially close to 350 lbs it's also HUGE load on his joints, which is maiking him more vulnerable to get hurt during the season.”

No argument from me boss. I’ve put on 20lbs in 4 years and it’s killing me. I use to be the tony parker on the court, now I’m short guy with low-post moves which bacially renders me ineffective in most situation. I’m learning to develop a 3 point game.

“Fot this season Shaq should send 10M refund to Miami because this is exactly what he played - 40 games.”

In fariness, the dude was hurt. I would like to see shaq give up some money to bring in other guys to help Miami compete again, but in understand the challenges.

“His reasoning was, 'I got hurt on company time, I'm getting surgery on company time'. You can also read his book (I did it 5 or 7 years ago) about all his whole approach of 'take it easy' during the regular season.”

I will stipulate to your research. I concede it’s not a good approach to “turn it on” at the end of the season. That’s why I appreciate the Boring Spurs Dynasty.

“You probably also remeber how many he was missing when its really was 'time when it counts'. Last season - 42% In fact he never shot 50% after 2002-2003 season.”

Painfully yes. Every time the Big Missed Freethrow is on the line, I cringe. Hey, nice civilized chat. You take care.

Miguel,

O'Neil and Granger's salaries total 21million.
Bynum, Brown, and Evans total 12 million.

You can't even get O'Neil by himself for Bynum, Brown, Evans, and the 19 pick. The salaries don't match up. Not even close.

Unless They include and take Radmanovic. Try to keep the Pick.

Link to trade machine:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2760~615~981~2748~1031~1016&teams=13~13~11~11~11~11

Miguel

What would we have to do to get Shane Battier?

It looks like the rockets are shoping him around. He plays great D and can hit the open three. Posted at Lakers Forum.

For Battier that has 5 year contract give them Radmanovic 5 year contract and throw in Sasha. Maybe a pick but thats too much maybe..


Trade Machine Link:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1016~2421~976&teams=10~10~13

What Do you guys Think?

Then we can package Kwame with whoever for Artest if no deal for Oneal.

Maybe? Any better trade ides for him.

Think!!

Farmar/
Kobe/Evans
Battier/ Luke /Artest?
Odom/Turiaf
Kwame?/Bynum? Oneal?

Miguel

Farmar/Sasha
Kobe/Evans
Odom/ Luke/Radmanovic
Kwame/Turiaf/Cook
Bynum/Mihm

If No Trades I would like line up like this...
Start Bynum let him see if he can Improve with confidence of starting.
Also put Kwame at the 4. Let him focus on rebounds and block shots.
but then again if no change Kobe Is Gone???

PARTY AT MY HOUSE!!!! THE KWAME IS GONE!!!

ALL I WANTED WAS JO GRANGER AND KOBE..... AND TO BE ABLE TO KEEP LAMAR IS TRULY AWESOME!!!!


 
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