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It's not clear yet who'll be on the 2007-2008 roster

But whichever lucky 15 players don the purple and gold, the Lakers must hire this cat to create their likenesses.  Seriously, that is masterful work on display (although one could make an argument that the artist perhaps needs to get out more).  And bottom line, there can't be a more intimidating sight than that of an Etch A Sketched Kobe Bryant.  Not possible.  You leave one of those renderings in the visitor's locker room as a warning sign, I guarantee the coach immediately declares a forfeit and puts his team back on the bus.  Done deal.  You just don't screw with the Etch A Sketch.

Question.  When it comes to sketching Sasha, would you prefer a vision of him hoisting from behind the arc, creating what all agree is a picture-perfect stroke?  Or would you rather see the anguish typically boiling over 1.4 times every 12:48 minutes, that moment of "me against the world" emotion commonly referred to as "the face?" 

Me?  I'm voting "face."

-AK

 
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Tha Show, "isaiah would trade his left nut for kobe."
Why left? I guess it's one of those things girls can never understand. I'd give my left boob to get KG in purple and gold with Kobe...is that the same thing? Haha, jk.

Great post pfunk (as always), props.

Fatty, Kobe would be killed in NY. Times have changed, the only places where people don't get lambasted are places in which people don't care lol. Even if Kobe were to win championships for them (please do that for us lol)...he'd probably still get the ARod treatment...which incidentally should be called the Kobe treatment cause it happened to Kobe first (I believe lol).

Laker Lover. I know we've had many disagreements before, but that I agree with. As the leader of this team...it shouldn't have been just where to go, or encouraging them...but showing them how to play the game in both sides of the court. Kobe has undoubtedly been much more laxed this season defense wise than he has in years past...in my opinion the only reason he got All NBA defense was cause of reputation, and of course guarding Dirk in crunch time one on one (that still kills me lol). For whatever reason or another, he played more of a "free safety" in defense, which in turn caused more problems. Maybe it was his knee, or maybe it was PJ's strategy or whatnot...the fact of the matter is, as the leader of this team, in which defense was the problem, he should have done more (which is ridiculous considering all that he has had to do for this team lol...but nonetheless, defense is that important). It's one thing to take the opponent's best player all game long...which he continued to do...but due to the fact that we don't have much in terms of defensive players nor athletic players, we needed him to do more. I think he knows that, which is why he's working on his defense this offseason. Hopefully the knee has healed well enough for him to get back to his defense of old...and we get more defensive personnel.

James..

Nice group but its still trading a Ferrari for a Camary, Mustang & hybrid(future up-side).... I'll take my chances on the Ferrari in the end. May cost you more for up keep but the over all value (Kobe) is priceless.
Really, I just can't see Kobe on another team and the thought of ours without him is even less appealing, when speaking of actuall trade value pound for pound. Any legit trade for kobe would have to come from a Western team. Mello, YAO & T-Mack, KG, Dirk & co. etc. We gave up Shaq for the okie doke, you think we'll give away Kobe for some big contracts and hope down the line? Just the way I see things from high in purple clouds.

LAKER Love!

Faze

Relax with the Kobe to NY trade talks, unless Kupcake is that dumb no GM would ever make such a horrible trade.

WISHFUL WISH LISTS

If you believe ESPN (the PTI guys), KG goes to Chicago and Grant Hill wants to go to Phoenix.

The Rockets and Miami may want Artest even more than the Lakers do.

The Marcus Camby talk seems to have quieted for the moment.

That seems to leave JO as a deal to be made, but no way should both Bynum and Odom go to the Pacers to make it happen.

Maybe Cook, Vlad, and Sasha could go somewhere for a draft pick someone doesn't want if they don't end up as part of a JO swap.

looking better and better in my eyes. Can you imagine if Mitch wasn't in the front office and neither was replaced by a competent GM but one of the Buss brothers took over his job? That would be a worst case scenario that would make Georgia Frontraire and Donald Sterling look like geniuses and home town heroes.

And why would we want that crappy NY team? Even if they gave us the whole team for Kobe we wouldn’t be getting any one complete player. No way.

Wes

UGH......I stopped coming to his blog for a reason, and I see nothing has changed. There are some real idiots here....like laker"lover" .....where's beluga, judith and the rest of the mental midgets??).....

Repost -

BrandonC
"Why do you guys keep feeding material to Gunner24? He is a scumbag low life who obviously knows very little about basketball

Probably smells bad too!"

HEY KID? WHAT ARE YOU? ABOUT 18-22 YRS OLD. NOT USE TO TRASH TALKING SO, PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE YOU FAVORITE. DID I HIT A NERVE?


LAL_Fan aka Kobe_Fan
"You are a piece of work. How about I'll post Shaq and Kobe respective free throws % and declare Shaq is useless because he can not make a 50% freebies? "

OH! NOW YOU GO FROM WHY SHAQ COULDN'T CARRY US TO A FOUR TITLE AND WHEN I SHOW YOU THE STATS TO PROVE IT, THEN YOU FLIP-FLOP TO HIS FREE THROW %.
I GUESS I SEE WHY YOU ARE THE BIG FLIP-FLOP FAN. YOU CHANGE YOUR DEBATE AS FAST AS HE CHANGE RADIO STATIONS.


Angry_Laker
"Gunner24 what is your point!!!!"

YOU'RE A DAY LATE AND A DOLLAR SHOT. SOME OF YOUR APOLOGISTS FRIEND SAID WHY SHAQ COULDN'T CARRY US TO A FOURTH CHAMPIONSHIP AND THIS IS WHY.


Game 1: Kobe 10-27 (37%) Rest of Lakers 19-46 (41%)
Game 2: Kobe 14-27 (52%) Rest of Lakers 24-53 (45%)
Game 3: Kobe 4-13 (31%) Rest of Lakers 23-61 (38%)
Game 4: Kobe 8-25 (32%) Rest of Lakers 25-53 (47%)
Game 5: Kobe 7-21 (33%) Rest of Lakers 24-54 (44%)


WAITING FOR YOUR NEXT PERSONAL ATTACK. TRY ME?


jaworski aka Ron Jaworski
"everytime I log in and read post you ALWAYS.. ALWAYS have some "trade kobe" revolution going on... what the hell? STOP IT ALREADY WE GET YOUR SENTIMENT. now marvel us with something NEW."

here's something new.....we'll be out in the first round again this year with Kobe at #1 spot. HOW DO YOU LIKE THOSE BANANAS. BUT I EXPECT YOU TO COME BACK WITH YOUR DRAMA QUEEN PERSONAL ATTACK.


james
"I'm a Lakers fan and Kobe fan"

APOLOGISTS STATEMENT. TRULY NOT A LAKERS FAN.

What's up the the Buss Family anyway.....they hire cheerleaders as scouts...and post myspace blogs, and won;t let go of Andrew Bynum??? Oh by the way sonybelfast...no one plays harder that Artest? even if that were true....who cares? He plays like an idiot w/ his shot selection....Anderson Varejo plays hard too.....see my point?

If the Saint became a King, I would seriously entertain rejoining the Laker Nation.

Although, it would be very tough to support a team whose fans get behind an icon more than they do the welfare of their team.

By the way, we are the "Queens", remember? You are the Broke-backer. Don't be ashamed.

Posted by: sonnybelfast | June 13, 2007 at 02:16 PM

Belchfast,

I promised Laker Tom to avoid responding to your post but I told him I'll do it once in a while (for fun).

Oh puleeez!!!!!!! We have enough of your hate post using your various names (Steven, KL Bitch, Tarugo, Fakerz). I don't think one member of this blog would be welcoming you with open arms to join the Laker Nation. Unless you would be using your other post monickers to welcome you.

Stay where you are and keep losing. Last time I checked, you didn't even make the playoff and there is not one, not one Championsjip Banner in Sacto.

Kobe will never be a member of a dungtown team. If I rmember right, even Webber blasted your place as too backward for his persona. He had to come to LA for soul food. Ha ha ha ha.

Seriously......the fact that anyone is STILL talking about Kobe being traded is laughable. No matter what #24 said on radio shows or the Young Busts say. It will and never going to happen. No way one team trades two hall of famers in their primes within 3 years of each other. NO WAY!!! IT'S ALL POLITICS. Please stop the madness. I'm going insane!!! Short of being in the Eastern Conference, no other player could get what Kobe gets with this current squad. Where's Nash??? That's right they are just like the Blazers of the late 90's and early 2000's and the Kings of the early and mid 2000's. Good teams that did NOTHING ,sitting at home. Dirk? Same. MVP' s huh? Right. Kobe went for 31, 5 and 5 for a season...and makes all defense 1st team , meanwhile keeping the team above water through all of the injuries...and . and he finishes 3rd or 4th??? NO MORE TRADE TALK PLEASE

pfunk36
"Players should be evaluated on their skill level and how they apply those skills during games--and that has nothing to do with the cliched concepts of "loving" one player and "hating" another player."

I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT, BUT IN THIS CASE KOBE'S SKILL LEVEL IS NOT THE PROBLEM. IT'S HOW HE APPLIES IT IN THE GAME WHICH IS THE PROBLEM.

PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG GET MISGUIDED BY THE SKILL LEVEL BUT ARE BLIND TO HOW IT'S APPLIED IN THE GAME.

IF BOTH AREAS ARE NOT APPLIED RIGHT, YOU GET WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS.

JAMES........
GO TAKE A BATH,WITH A T.V. IN YOUR HANDS

Sonny,

So would you bite on an offer of Kwame + Vlad Rad + Mo + Farmar for Bibby + Artest ?

Kwame gives you cap relief, Farmar gives you a steady point and Mo is someone you always liked. Vlade can help you with your "Euro guy who can really shoot" fixation* :)

Win-win situation?

* - I would have suggested Sasha instead of Vlade, but I respect you too much :) (and the numbers don't match in that case!)

Tim4S:

Alright... let's figure this out. I must be slipping in my old age.

doo-doo-doo-doo-dah-dah-nah-daaaaah-naaaah-naaaah-naaah-naah-naah-naah-nah-naaaawww!

Does that sound right?

Mike in the Mountain West:

Thanks for your response. I still would not favor taking Tinsley because of the $34M left in his contract. I also don’t believe that Farmar is a make or break piece of that deal. The suggestion by Korey was just more of the same anti-Farmar rhetoric he has been spouting since we drafted him. While Indy would love to get Lamar, the guy that Bird wants and needs is Andrew Bynum. That is what this deal is all about. Bird traded away all of the guys involved in the Pistons fight and got reamed by Mullin in Golden State who pawned off Murphy and Dunleavy, two too-slow too-lame white guys with horrible contracts, for two athletic black players who carried Golden State into the playoffs. Bird needs to a centerpiece around which he can build with Granger and Williams and Bynum is that piece. So why give him Lamar and for God’s sake why give him Farmar. And double why let him stick us with Tinsley, for whom we would have to give up Radman, who will probably redeem himself next year. And definitely not because Korey said so. Bynum, Brown, Cook, Vujacic, and #19 pick straight up for Jermaine O’Neal. It works for the Lakers. It works for the Pacers. It works as far as the salary cap. Anyway, that’s my take on the Indy situation.

Tom

I agree that lineup discussions are far more interesting than the last two rounds of the playoffs have been.
To recap, I would like to see the following lineup.

A Team:

George Peppard
Dwight M. Schulz
Dirk Benedict
Mr. T
Sweet GMC Van

A minus Team:

Terence Stamp
Jim Carey
Orlando Bloom
Big Boi
Souped Up Hummer (gotta have the red stripe)

Pfunk,

""Kobe has no weaknesses:

1) Finishes at the hoop with either hand
2) Dribbles well with either hand
3) Has excellent post moves and footwork
4) Draws fouls and shoots FTs very well
5) Has three point range
6) Can get off a good shot attempt even against good defense
7) Rebounds well for his position
8) Reads double-teams well and makes the correct passes, which don't always lead to assists for two reasons: the second pass out of the trap often leads to the assist and it is not possible for anyone to get an assist if the shot is not made
9) Excellent defender, as acknowledged by the league's head coaches in All-Defensive Team voting
10) Tremendous inner drive and will to win"

What you listed is the whole problem. No one denies the talent. With all that talent he thinks that he doesn't need to include his teammates. That's the whole point. He's a God unto himself and if you don't worship him, he'll worship himself.

mike

Faith

Ok, I may have stretched a little. But Kobe, currently public enemy #1 would be become a hero. He would get the credit for making them better. The Yankees were pretty good when A Rod arrived. And they ain't winning titles like they used too. So A rod is now the scapegoat.

Kobe would be the key move to make the Knicks a contender again. Eight years, no playoffs. And let me tell you this. New York knows how to make something big happen publicity wise. Kobe won't sneak in through the back door. He would be announced as the 2nd coming of Christ. Christ would get 2nd billing.

Before Wilt came to the Lakers, most of us hated him(Laker Tom excluded) When he came to LA, he was all of sudden an ok guy who was just misunderstood. He wasn't conceded anymore, he's just confident. Wilt was selfish, Russell was a team player. Now Wilt gave up on stats to win a title. Wilt could hurt someone with his punching. Now he was protecting West from dirty players. Wilt used to blame his teamates for losses. Now he was just pointing out the obvious. Wilt was a self centered loser. Now he was a gifted winner.

Kobe going to New York. If you want to change the media perception of your game, NY is THEE place to do it. Nobody can do it better. If they are for ya, nobody is against ya. If Kobe is thinking of going to NY, a good news leak will test the waters. Wait, we already have seen that. Did you see James reaction? I'm telling ya, that's typical. Kobe will be loved. Him and Stu are already planning lunch. Stern if offering to babysit Kobe's kids. Time magazine is taking pictures for next years man of the year. Isaiah is already going to sleep at night with a smile on his face.

Fatty - Wishing he had some Ray's pizza and a brew.

Laker Tom,

I like the idea of a Bynum for Kidd swap - as long as Vlad Rad can be Vlad Rad this season :)
If Kidd works out, great! If not, we can use his expiring contract next year for .. KG!!
As for the Center, how about David Harrison from the Pacers for both of our second round picks?
And then use our MLE to sign folks like Jumaine Jones and Magloire

Mihm/Harrison/Magloire
LO/Turiaf/Cookie
Vlad Rad/Luke/Jumaine Jones
Kobe/Mo/Sasha
Kidd/Farmar/#19

should make some noise!

LAKER FAMILY BLOG!!!!!!!!!!!
Dont get me wrong I love LAMAR.....he is a really good ball-player....but not as a power-forward.
If he went up 2 phil an demanded to be a small-forward than I want him as a laker,if not he has to go......he can be an allstar in the west as a small-forward because he's 6-10 with long arms an good on the bloc.
But what pisses me off about him is he doesn't know how to use his skills....we could've bet phoenix if he was on the bloc posting up shawn marion like last year when he was killing him on the bloc.....but no....he want's to try to take him off the dribble an shoot three's,It's not a laker fan in here that dont shake there head,are put they head down when ever he squares up for a 3,Your full of shiii if you say you have confidence in lamar shooting threes are shooting 15-20 jumpers thats not his game.
LETS TAKE KING JAMES
IT TOOK HIM 3 GAMES TO FIGURE OUT IN CANT TAKE (BOWEN) OFF THE DRIBBLE SO HE STARTED POSTING HIM UP,WITH SOME POSITIVE RESULTS.
I'LL BET MY PAYCHECK THIS WEEK THAT HE'LL START THE GAME OFF BY POSTING UP (BOWEN) INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TAKE HIM OFF THE DRIBBLE.

I WENT 2 THE PACERS BLOG.........
This may-be the trade that goes down
LAKERS TRADE
BYNUM
LAMAR
B COOK
SASHA
KWAME BROWN
#19
FOR
J O'NEAL
DAVID HARRISON
MARQUIS DANIELS
This is a good trade for both teams
MARQUIS DANIELS
KOBE
VLAD
J ONEAL
DAVID HARRISON WHO IS ALSO 7 FEET 280 WITH LONG ARMS,AN IS WAY AHEAD OF BABY DREW.
IF MITCH PULLS THIS OFF HE GETS MY RESEPECT!!!!!!!!!!!

We almost went a full day without trolls. I don't count Laker Lover as one, he's just misguided at times.

Rick,
I am hoping those ESPN guys don't know what they're talking about. Seriously, we should be the top contender for Artest.

KG to Chicago is a real possibilty. He once relocated there to finish off his high school career, perhaps he'll relocate there to finish his NBA career. I think he knows we all want him in LA, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. As someone said earlier, he's the greatest future laker free agent.

Tom,

I was with you until the "go after LeBron, Wade, or Bosh" part. I think Bosh would definitely be a good pick up, but there is no way Kobe, LeBron, or Wade would be on the same team. The center spot in your proposal is a definite weakness, but if we could use the MLE to get a good big man, and then try to pick someone up for the veteran's minimum (i.e. Magloire, or Mutombo) we could be alright.

Taoshum,

"Kobe and Jermaine would take up probably over half the payroll."

That's why there is no way the FO would keep Kobe, LO, and JO. They don't want to pay the luxury tax.

As far as your assessment of the Knicks players, I think your highly undervaluing them.....well, except Jeffries. I know you probably haven't seen them very much, but if the Knicks stayed healthy they DEFINITELY would have made the playoffs, and probably could have gotten out of the first round.

Crawford: The dude can put the ball in the basket!!!!! He's got a MEAN CROSSOVER (I'm talking about, jump out of your seat crossover), and is a pretty exciting player to watch. His shot selection is iffy, but that can be worked on

David Lee: He is definitely more than just a hustle player. He averaged a double double OFF THE BENCH!!!! How many players can say that? A lot of teams are interested in him, and he could turn out to be a good solid player.

Channing Frye: Honestly, I don't like him much, but his jump shot is pure, and he does have some upside.

Like I said, I don't think the trade will, or should happen. I was just throwing it out there for those people who think trading Kobe would be a good idea.

Fatty,

"Him and Stu are already planning lunch. Stern if offering to babysit Kobe's kids."

What? Same Stern who "allows" the game's only superstar not get superstar treatment....and let his man suspend Kobe on a questionable decision? lol. During a MSG no less lol.

Compton's Finest,

Sorry bud, but I gotta disagree with you. That would be a HORRIBLE TRADE!!!! Not only do we give up our 2nd best player, our best young prospect, one of our best shooters (even though I don't like him), and the 19th pick, they want our ONLY expiring contract too!?!?!?! That's way too much to give up for Marquis Daniels (could be decent), and David Harrison? If he's as good as you say he is, why doesn't he get ANY, and I mean ANY burn? If Mitch makes that trade, Kobe WILL opt out!!!! David Harrison?!?!? WOW!!!!

"I'm a Lakers fan and Kobe fan"
APOLOGISTS STATEMENT. TRULY NOT A LAKERS FAN.

..and when did you become the HIGH TRIBUNAL for laker and fake fans?

.. I hate knobs that think they know EVERYTHING...damn!

How About Pau Gasol And Artest!!
Another Idea. Trading for Pau Gasol & Artest.

For Pau Gasol we trade Andrew Bynum, Vladimir Radmanovic & Brian Cook.

For Ron Artest we trade Kwame Brown & Sasha. or Kwame And Pick

A more realistic trade that benefits all teams.
Trade Machine Link:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...23~29~29~29~23

Look at this line Up

Farmar/
Kobe/Evans
Odom/Luke
Artest/Ronny
Pau Gasol/Mihm

Pretty Good. Solid team with a couple of additions.
Just Another Idea!!
Any thoughts or Improvements for these 2 players??

Today, It's unusually peaceful here.

I something or someone missing???

I hope they deal Sasha and Cook AWAY

those are two players who have no worth whatsoever...

watching the other Sasha (Pavlovic) shoot those baskets makes me see how far our SASHA is to other euro players...

Cook - do i need to say more? - he's lucky to be even in the bench of the lakers...

Can we just trade them for BETTER players??

Id probably keep Turiaf... give radmanovich another season to check if he is worth it... Walton is always expendible - he's always a filler come trade time. Good to see him back but wuoldnt be too sad to see him leave, as long as we get someone better in his place.

Hey, anyone has news on Sprewell? I know he's a dick but he's a free agent too right?

That Indiana trade looks very possible - if only because it is very typical of Mitch.

While JO is on the books for three years, Daniels has a team option for year 3 and Harrison is relatively cheap (2M for year 2 that's a qualifying offer).

So, on paper, we are getting Kobe help without impacting our salary position too adversely:

Harrison/Mihm/FA
O'Neal/Turiaf/FA
Vlad/Luke/FA
Kobe/Mo/Draft Pick
Daniels/Farmar/Draft Pick

doesn't look too bad, and is relatively ok on the salary front. Problem is that if Phil doesn't get this to work or we are injury-bitten again next year, that would be disastrous. And that our perimeter defense wouldn't be that much better as opposed to this year.

Daniels is the big risk here - if he pans out (he was okay for the Mavs a couple of years back), he's exactly the kind of big PG that Phil likes. If, however, he goes back to his clubbing ways, then we better hope Farmar makes the leap in year 2 :)

Actually, I'm hoping Farmar and Turiaf significantly improve in the off-season.

Any chance we could parlay JO into KG? Would Minny bite on that? I would feel a lot better if it were KG instead of JO :) Maybe JO and next year's draft pick for KG?

Mike,

I didn't write the article so i can't take credit for it, however I agree with it 100%. The only thing I believe that he left off is what really separates Kobe from everyone else:

Kobe can create his own shot (with the Ball)

He moves exceptionally well without the ball

He can catch and shoot from a standstill as well

Most good players can do one of these things, maybe two......but very few can do all three seamlessly.

Mike you are treading into very dangerous territory with your statement

"What you listed is the whole problem. No one denies the talent. With all that talent he thinks that he doesn't need to include his teammates. That's the whole point. He's a God unto himself and if you don't worship him, he'll worship himself.

How do you know what Kobe is THINKING? How did you come to that conclusion? Do you know Kobe?

If he feels he doesn't need his teammates then why is he leveraging his star power to get better players here?

That would be a contradiction don't you think? Can you have it both ways Mike........and still be considered sane?

Being blessed with God given talent isn't the problem Mike.......it is the mismanagement and suppression of that talent that leads to problems.

Mediocrity has had it in for excellence since the beginning of time usually taking the form of envy and jealousy.......that manifest it self into full blown hatred masqarading as subjective opinion.........sort of like yours.

Kobe a God? Far from it..............but if God was the standard that we judge complete ball players.......then Kobe is a lot closer than most who ever laced up their sneakers.

........and guess what? YOU ARE A WITNESS!

WEAVE MAN
YOUR KIDDING RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!
"2 of our best players"????????(WHO).....LAMAR-KWAME LOL...I MEAN LETS BE FOR-REAL
"are best shooter"??????????(WHO) BRIAN COOK COME ON MY DUDE YOU CAN DO BETTER.
An as for David Harrison that's a good ????
Im guessing the same reason why RONNY T DIDN'T GET ANY BURN.........OVER-LOOK

Here's another Kobe trade possibility:

We send the Bulls:
Kobe

We get:
Duhon
Gordon
Tyrus Thomas
A signed and traded Nocioni, or PJ Brown. I think the front office would rather get Brown since it would be a one year deal. Here's the lineups:

Duhon-Farmar
Gordon-Evans-Sasha
Radmanovic-Luke-Thomas
Odom-Turiaf-Thomas
Bynum-Mihm-Brown

Bulls lineup:
Hinrich
Kobe
Deng
Nocioni
Wallace

I think both teams could be really good, but that Bulls lineup (if they add the right role players), could go to the finals next year.

Tim,
I would look into the possibility of seeding the playoffs; the downside is that regional rivalries in the earlier rounds would be less likely to happen. But it would certainly (generally) make for a better finals matchup.

Miguel,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but do you honestly think that the Grizzlies would trade Pau away for Bynum (a project), Vlad ( just coming off injury) and Cookie (a destitute man's Vlad)?

As for Artest, if Sacto is willing to give him to us for Kwame, we would prolly need to agree to get another of their bad contracts - say Kenny.

So Artest + Kenny for Kwame + Vlad may be something they would like.

How About Pau Gasol And Artest!!
Another Idea. Trading for Pau Gasol & Artest.

For Pau Gasol we trade Andrew Bynum, Vladimir Radmanovic & Brian Cook.

For Ron Artest we trade Kwame Brown & Sasha. or Kwame And Pick

A more realistic trade that benefits all teams.
Trade Machine Link:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~996~981~2748~1998~1016~2421&teams=13~13~23~29~29~29~23


Look at this line Up

Farmar/
Kobe/Evans
Odom/Luke
Artest/Ronny
Pau Gasol/Mihm

Pretty Good. Solid team with a couple of additions.
Just Another Idea!!
Any thoughts or Improvements for these 2 players??

Compton's,

I didn't say 2 of our best players, I said OUR 2ND BEST PLAYER, as in Lamar Odom!!!! And if Brian Cook isn't our best shooter than who is? Other than Kobe, he was the only one to consistently hit open shots. Oh yeah, and Ronny didn't get much burn......because he was INJURED!!!! He had hip problems all season, so he COULDN'T play consistent minutes.

If Mitch is stupid enough to give up all the pieces you propose, and NOT get Granger he is a fool, and I guarantee you Kobe will DEMAND TO BE TRADED, OR WILL OPT OUT OF HIS CONTRACT!!!!!

Weave-Man,

If I were the Lakers, I would also ask for Thabo as part of that trade and prefer PJ Brown as his contract would be shorter than Nocioni's. I would also ask for the #9.

If I were the Bulls, I would also ask for Turiaf in addition to Kobe. And I would try not to part with either Thabo or the #9 :) Definitely not both.

Negotiations :)

Johnny Buss and MySpace...funny...

I believe the tv series Arrested Development was loosely based on the Buss family...with the smart brother as a totally fictitious character.

Wow! Even in off-season when we should be sulking away the stench of this season, this blog is pretty active! Granted a fair chunk of it is crap, but still, that's a lot of posts over the last couple of days.

GET SOMEONE TO DO THE JOB SASHA CAN'T.


DRAFT RODNEY STUCKEY!!!!!


COMBO GUARD EXTRAORDINAIRE.

Weave!!!!!!!!!!
I was going to kill you off........
But I can tell your not in the right state of mine,talking about trading KOBE!!!!!!!!!
so im going to leave you alone..

Remember last offseason we were all set to have Thabo in this team? Oh how time doesn't fly lol.

Weave-man,

Don't agree with your trade proposal...Lakers just became a second-rate copy of the 2002 Queens but I don't think this team would go past the first round, much less the Conference Finals.

Bibby > Duhon-Farmar
Christie-Jackson = Gordon-Evans-Sasha
Stojakovic/Turkoglu > Radmanovic-Luke-Thomas
Webber > Odom-Turiaf-Thomas
Divac-Pollard > Bynum-Mihm-Brown

At the risk of sounding like a Kobe-groupie and getting the wrath of KL and Gunner24, I don't think trading Kobe is the solution to the Lakers' problems. Getting complementary pieces around Kobe is.

How about Corey Blount, Nick Van Exel, and Sam Bowie, for
Patrick Ewing and Anthony Mason. Sounds like a good swap right?

Miguel

I like your idea of getting Gasol a lot. It would cost us less in salary match and allow us more flexibillity for other trades.

Will Memphis part with him?

Before the JO talk many on the blog thought he was our best option. Draft day came down in our favor, but all the talk went to the JO rumors.

Picking up Gasol and Artest while keeping Lamar would be dream Laker team for me. We would still have to sign a good def point guard, but that team would be very competitive. Instead of our 3 big stars, we would have 4 and still be lux cap safe.

The players for Gasol that would work? Kwame, Bynum, and a number 1?
Unless the Kings would take Luke and somebody in a sign and trade, I don't know who we could offer. If it works.........

I would drop my trade demand and remain a faithful blogger and am sure Kobe would follow my example as well..

Fatty

Weave:

You got lucky man... COMPTON'S FINEST was going to kill you off over the INTERNET!! You should be thanking your lucky stars, dude. He might have hurled insults at you! The horror!

Laker Lover,

In short its all kobe's faylt ha!!!!!!!!!!!

Sonnybelfast:
Good to have you back. It's always good to have an opposing fan who can articulate and offer an intelligent opposing view. Besides, we may have to share allegience with the Kings if Rambis moves north.

Mike in the Mountain West:
Where in the Rockies? I'm in Utah and getting pretty tired of being the only Laker in Jazztown, especially with all the animosity about Malone defecting.

All the rest:
A trade is coming soon. It's quiet out there ... perhaps too quiet. By next Wednesday, we're going to hear something.

Generic,

LOL!!!! I was nervous for a second.

Waterboy,

I don't agree with either of my trades either. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TRADE KOBE.

Compton's,

I want you to come at me hard. I don't think you really have any amunition I couldn't handle, but take your shot if you want it. As far as trading Kobe goes, (I repeat) I DON'T WANT TO SEE HIM TRADED!!!! I was simply throwing out scenarios that I think COULD happen since SOME people want to see him traded.

Kobe is a Laker, and I want to see him stay a Laker.I'm not gonna lie, part of me would like to see him in NY since I'm here, and I wouldn't have to stay up until 1:30am to see him play, but in my heart I want to see Kobe retire a Laker. I think he deserves to be a Laker for his whole career, and to lead us back to the promised land.

PS: You never have to worry about me not being able to take anything you, and anybody else can dish out. I'm an OB, and have gone at it with some of the best bloggers on here (i.e Mike T, Tom, Edwin). The only difference between what we used to do and what happens now is, we showed each other respect, didn't call each other names, and sometimes even learned some stuff in the process.

generic_one
WOW!!!!!
your still talking
Where is the other member of the (BREAKFAST CLUB)
A.........DO US ALL A FAVOR AN GO WALK ACROSS THE 91 FREEWAY BLIND FOLDED............
ARE BETTER YET GO JUMP IN THE TUB WITH YOUR COMPUTER PLUG UP IN YOUR HANDS...........

Compton,

I'd have trouble with that trade for a few reasons.

1) In the amount I've seen him play, I don't think David Harrison's any more promising than Bynum. I don't even think he's better right now. If you look at the numbers when they had the similar-ish minutes, Bynum's were better (and he's less experienced).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3936 (Bynum)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3846/career;_ylt=At25q0jBRwnph7imo8LAhTSkvLYF (Harrison)

Plus, Harrison's have steadily gone down each year, which is never a good thing (especially on a team that's not very good). I'm not saying Bynum's a lock to become a the next Kareem or anything, but I wouldn't be thrilled about swapping him out for Harrison.

2) You better be very confident that Farmar's ready to start or that you can get a solid PG for MLE. I'm not positive about either.

3) Beyond that, I don't think that trade is even feasible for the Lakers from a roster building standpoint. It basically guts half the team while only taking back three players. They'd be left with:

Kobe
JO
Daniels
Harrison
Farmar
Turiaf
Evans
Vlad

That's only 8 players, which might not ordinarily be a huge deal, except the Lakers have no cap flexibility, which kills their ability to add FA's. Even using every avenue they have (MLE, resiging Walton and Mihm with Bird Rights, 2nd round picks, etc.), they'll have trouble putting together a roster of 12, much less 15.

AK

as posted by T I really think we should look into signing Papaloukas here is an article about him and a small mention of how we would work with the Lakers: http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2007/06/news-from-2-euro-legends-papaloukas.html

WEAVE!!!!!!!!!
YOU FORGET ONE THING......... IM NOT THEM.
I like all my lakers brothers on this blog,an that's why were here playing G.M. to debate on what would we do to make the lakers better.
O.K. that bullshiii out the way (WHY) are you so hung up on LAMAR???????.
How many games did LAMAR win for us this year are in the 3 years he been with the LAKERS????(I CAN COUNT THE NUMBER OF TIMES ON 1 HAND WITH ALL MY FINGERS CHOPPED OFF).
Lord forbid what if kobe gets hurt,(IM KNOCKING ON WOOD A.K.A. KWAME BROWN HANDS)You think LAMAR going to put this team on his shoulder an keep the boat rolling???????
HELL NO!!!!!
HE'S NOT THAT TYPE OF PLAYER
J O'NEAL WILL HOLD IT DOWN WAY BEFORE LAMAR DO.
I mean REALLY doooo youuuu.....really honestly want me to get on WHY IN THE HELL YOU WOULD WANT TO KEEP SMUSH.. I.. MEAN.. COOK?????
RESPECT TO THOSE WHO RESPECT ME!!!!!!!!!!!
IM FROM COMPTON I KEEPS EXTRA CLIPS FOR STAT BOYS LIKE
gen-1

Guys and Gals,

If you make a team of the talented underachieving starters (Smush, Olowonkandi, etc) and match them against a team of hustling barely NBA talent pine boys (Madsen, etc) who would win?

Hey, Its the offseason. And isn't this better than talking about cricket? lol.

Report: Rockets agree to trade Juwan Howard to Timberwolves For Mike James.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=txhowardjamestrade&prov=st&type=lgns

AK
I think if you put him in the right system HARRISON he can thrive..
we dont really need him to score...we have the world greatest scorer,plus J o'neal as are low post threat....the only thing we need from him is to clog the middle... rebound-an block shots just basicly take up space....that's should be simple with a guy that's 7 feet 280.
are????? what do you think about signing DARKO MILICIC who has an brighter upside than most people give him credit for.

FOR THOSE OF YOU DOUBTING J ONEAL, HERE"S HIS EXIT INTERVIEW

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070419/VIDEO02/70419048/1088/SPORTS04

He had a bad shooting year cause he played on one leg(torn miniscus), and was double teamed a lot. I think if we can get him, he will help us get to the next level. he, like Lamar, has a lot of heart.

Also, we have to trade Lamar for o'neal, cause they both wear # 7. Having them together would cause quite a predicament.

Compton,

Well, if you want rebounding, you should stick with Bynum. He's much better than Harrison. And the minutes adjusted shot block numbers are more or less the same.

I agree that Darko's got some potential. But he's gonna be too expensive to sign as a FA. Unless the Lakers can come up with a sign and trade, it's not likely doable. Plus, given that there's now a tangible pressure to start winning this second, I don't see them going after another project (even one more seasoned than Bynum).

AK

Finally a trade! Even if it's not a Laker trade, at least the ball started moving.

If we're going to trade Lamar for either Gasol or JO, I say involve Bynum too in a second trade for a star player like Artest or Bibby.

Hell, I'd like to see Gasol, Artest and Bibby for Vlad, Bynum, Odom, Kwame, Farmar and Walton...

Do the salaries match?

The future is now, I say take the plunge.

Wes

J-cool

Darn, the first trade goes down and we not included.

Fatty

Tim-4-Show im curious whats your definition of a troll? Someone who doesnt share your opinion? I would hope that is not the case.

Here's my trade; which someone probably already did:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~617~996~25&teams=23~29~13~13

Kings get Kwame and his expiring contract

Memphis gets Lamar Odom

Lakers get Gasol and Artest

Sounds good to me!

Wes

Miguel,

Hey Fatty, I really do think going after Pau Gasol Is a better move instead of Jermaine Oneal for many reasons like you stated.
1: We keep Lamar
2: Cost us less in salary match
3: Flexibillity for other trades

The players for Gasol that would work? Kwame, Bynum, and a number 1?

I tottaly Agree with you too.

Check this out: Theres an article stating this " Gasol re-iterated his desire to remain a Grizzly despite having made a trade request in January.

"Yes," he said, "I still want to be (in Memphis). There are a lot of things that still need to happen to make us better. We all want to see who the new general manager will be and what moves they make. We need a good free agent. We need some more pieces to be more competitive. Talent and youth don't always translate to wins. But it's great we have a coach now. It seems like a good fit."

The Griz would make moves geared toward upgrading the point guard position and adding a beefy big man to help patrol the paint if Gasol's wishes were granted.

Gasol sounded as though he wasn't concerned about the possibility of the Grizzlies trading him this offseason. As the team management contemplates how to continue to reshape the roster and re-establish it as playoff caliber, there are questions that linger.

Do they keep the one-time All Star and continue to build around Gasol? Do the Grizzlies trade the offensive dynamo and move toward a full-blown rebuilding plan?"

Link: http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/grizzlies/article/0,1426,MCA_475_5565220,00.html

This is where Bynum comes in for them. Theres also trade rumors posted on the memphis fans already talking about getting Bynum for Gasol if that would happen. So its a Possibility. Not entirely out of the question.

Memphis Forum

Link: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107476

I would trade Bynum for Gasol if we could come up with some filler. Both young centers, with Gasol much, much, much more proven. Do it! Keep Lamar!

Wes

Hey Weaveman,

Thanks for your props but I'm also one of the SOB's in this blog and my favorite repertoire is the front office.

By the way, I appreciate very much for those kind condolences extended to me of many bloggers for my golf buddy who died of cancer while a close relative died also of massive stroke last Friday. Right now, I'm attending their wakes but could not get out of my mind the blog family. There is a pending business too, on player emptiness while we are entertaining all kinds of wild ideas.

Another kudos, I'd like to thank KL the beast and Gunner24 for giving a try of a POSITIVE DAY in the blog. I wish it would be like this everyday. Let's welcome them as just insightful brothers in the blog.

I heard about Theodoros Papaloukas a natural PG and a Euroleague MVP last year. We (Greek dude and I) have been telling this blog about their availability. The same goes with Rudy Fernandez and Marco Bellineli these are good european players that we saw in the recent FIBA games. The Lakers were the first team to tap a Euro, that was Vlade Divac in 1989 draft, a year later he was competing in the Finals with Magic. I don't know what happened with our Euro connection after Divac, Lakers were stucked with Slava Medevenko, Sasha Vujacic and the snowboarding Vlad Radmanovic. Let's bring the best players of Europe in the Laker team, why are the best euros playing in small markets like San Antonio and Toronto while Mitch Kupchak is fascinated with transplanted euros like Shammond and Smush. Why oh Why? One reason I can think of, because they were CHEAP so you get what you paid for. lol!

Trading Kobe....trading Lamar what have happened to us? are we that DESPERATE??? Think again man & gals, what basketball skills are you sending away in Kobe and Lamar?

Best wishes Edwin Gueco, you remain the only other blogger who likes to quote Dylan...

Wes

THANK GOD FOR THE FIRST TRADE.......sorry girls and boys......no more cricket ......lol till next off season.hahahaha

I can't make up my mind on any one trade, but if we could keep Kobe, Lamar and land Gasol it would be worth loosing Bynum and whatever potential he may have.

Wes

Compton's Finest,

Obviously you haven't been paying attention to my posts!!!! Do I like Lamar? Yes, but in the end I think we DO have to trade him if we're going to get JO. Having Kobe, LO, and JO would kill our cap space, and the Busses don't want to pay luxury taxes. I've put up many trade scenarios in which LO is sent to Indy, and they all were better than the one you proposed today. Here I'll post this one more time just for you:

Indy gets:
Bynum
Odom
Cook

We get:
JO
Granger

Then we trade Kwame, and the 19th to Sacramento for Artest. If they want another player instead of the pick we can send them Kwame, and Vlad, and get Artest, and Salmons in return. We then sign (or at least try) Charlie Bell, and Mikki Moore with the MLE. If we're lucky then we can sign a veteran big man (Magloire, or Mutombo) so we have depth in the front court. Here's the roster:

Charlie Bell-Farmar
Kobe-Mo Evans-Sasha
Artest-Granger-Vlad(if sacramento doesn't want him)
Mikki Moore-Turiaf
JO-MIhm-Magloire/Mutombo

This lineup is completely feasible. We would be much improved defensively, be more efficient offensively, and the best part.....we won't have to deal with any "projects" like Bynum(who I think will be special), or LOL David Harrison.

Edwin,

Sorry to hear about your losses man. I knowhow it feels to lose a loved one, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Stay strong man, and you'll make it through.

Wes and Miguel

If we can keep Lamar and get Gasol, we would have three allstars. That would be nice. The coo would be somehow to add Artest.

At least get one of the two. Preference for me would be Gasol. If Memphis says no, then get Artest.

Vladimir, Gasol, and Sasha on the same team would be way too cool. They could all grow beards and have long hair.

JO would be an improvement over our current center, but is losing Lamar worth it? Yesterday I said yes, today I'm not so sure. if Wes can change his mind in ten minutes, then I can change mine in 24 hours.

Were getting close, finally the deals are starting to happen.

Fatty

Tom,Rick, et. al,
I actually didnt mean to put Farmar as "talent deprived", that was supposed to be Vujacic. Typo. my bad.

But why is everything I say gotta do with Smush. Yea I supported him because he was our only option.

But do not get me started on foolish predictions by somebody who glass way over half full. I say one thing accidently about your boy and you go haywire.

But if I mention your Start Farmar prediction or the Lakers winning the championship predictions then I'm the one bringing up old news...

Hmmmmmm..... Suggestion: Fall Back!!! Dont make me rehash the "real" history on you Tom!!!

Regardless of what you say, Farmar is the piece that Indiana will want to complete the deal without Odom.

That gives Indiana two young players to build around plus a shooter. Then the get plenty of expiring contracts. The best thing is that we keep Walton who is waaaaaaaaay more important to this team than Farmar is currently.

Tell me I dont make sense... plleeeeease. But first, take off the Farmar glasses and think about why would Indiana trade with the Lakers without getting Odom and Bynum OR Bynum, Farmar, and Radmanovic...

You have to give up something to get something ...

Tom,
after reading your hate-ful responses on me, I cant hold back.

Once again, let me say ... you suck!!!

I made a typo, I meant Vujacic instead of Farmar. ooooops...

Regardless, you act like Farmar did better than Smush last year... hmmm.. he couldnt take the starting job away from a guy who couldnt play defense and fought with the coach all year. He was sent to the D-League for god-sakes!!! WOOOOWW!!!

And, dont make me go back to the draft posts when I was saying Farmar would be AND was a great selection for the Lakers. I said that it would take time but he would be a solid NBA player no doubt.

Oh I forgot, if i dont predict greatness for Farmar then I'm Farmar-hating and spitting vitriol. C'mon!!! What'd you do when Farmar didnt start at the beginning of the season? Well, I PREDICT HE WILL START NEXT MONTH!!!... After 5 months of that you got tired and stop posting foolish predictions. Then he starts two games and you bring the I TOLD YOU SO scheme back... NOOOO BUDDDYYY, we all remember what you said. Man up, you were wrong.

Also, werent you the guy predicting the Lakers would come back on the Suns and not only win that series but win the championship this year!!! HOW CAN ANYBODY TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY WHEN YOU PREDICTED THE LAKERS WOULD WIN THE TITLE LAST SEASON?

That's not being a basketball observer, thats being a Laker homer and ignoring the facts. We just werent good enough yet you had the cajones to predict us winning the title? PLEASE...

And now you have this grandiose dream of Bynum ripping up the league once we trade him. We will regret the trade for so many years right? So instead, we should get Artest and a PG and we'll be all good, right? WRONG as usual.

Finally, I will get on you for not even watching basketball. How are you going to ask who is the better player/defender between guys like Steve Blake, Charlie Bell, etc.? Dude, are you really asking if Steve Blake can play defense? lol ..hahahahahaha... Are you serious?

Tom, just to let you know, you are not the basketball know-all you think you are. People do read your posts and know that there is a whole lot lot lot of homerism-guided rubbish in your posts. Being a Laker fan, doesnt mean you have to be a Laker fantasy man.

Get real. Think about things from a NBA perspective. Watch games of teams other than the Lakers. And take the Laker Homer GLASSES OOOOOOFFFF....

Was that enough serving for you? No wonder gunner24, KL, etc. stay on the blog. You make it toooo easy.

Laker Lover,

In short its all kobe's faylt ha!!!!!!!!!!!

Condolences on your losses Edwin Gueco. Know that your blog family supports you and is here for you.

Laker Lover,
I thought I said you were not a troll. My definition is the same as the standard one, a person who visits a site such as this and post unpopular comments in an attempt to disrupt the community. While your opinion is certainly not popular, your goal isn't to disrupt the community. I cannot say that for the rest of the posters who appear to share your view.

Laker Lover,

In short its all kobe's faylt ha!!!!!!!!!!!

repost

gunner24

LAL_Fan said: “Don't bother to reply, with people like you I'm not going to argue, it's pointless.”

I love these chicken $hits who act tough and sends us nasty gram, then run away like little KBiaches. How pathetic. I say, if you’re going to talk smack, at least stick around and finish the conversation. Faith, Troy, LakerTomboy, Fat-Guy in AZ, all have posted nasty-gram, then run home to mama. Pathetic. Oh, you can add “The D” to the list of chicken $hits.

Edwin gueco,
“Is it too much to ask if you can lower the hate volume so that the reciprocation of equal hate will be lowered too.”

might I remind you that the lakertom'ss of this blog are the one’s making personal attacks. I usually lay off the personal stuff unless it’s in retaliation.

kiwi,

“The first time I read it I thought you asked him if he spoke out of his mouth as well as his a$$ which would have been far more insulting than asking him if he speaks out of his a$$ as well but I got the feeling he was just generally sick of you haha.”

I’m sure Ventriloquist, et al are sick of me cuz what I say is counter to their beliefs that all the lakers need is to put the right guys around kob and that kobe himself is nearly perfect, but I digress.

With respect to Ventriloquist, my joke was about how ventriloquist speak out of the side of their mouths during the act with the puppet. So I modified the insult “you’re speaking out of your ass” to “you’re speaking out of the side [emphasis on “side”] of your ass. Get it? it was a play on words, but the dude went ape $hit. Told me to commit sucide. This tells me the dude is a little off his rockers, so I ain’t going to mess with the guy. I have a feeling there are a lot of nuts on this blog.

edwin,
"Another kudos, I'd like to thank KL the beast and Gunner24 for giving a try of a POSITIVE DAY in the blog. I wish it would be like this everyday. Let's welcome them as just insightful brothers in the blog."

i generally don't like to personaly attack anybody, but i will be critical of kobe and kobe loyalist who put kobe ahead of the laker team. look, the reality is there is a major contingent of laker fans who are turned off my kobe's antics. i'm sure the kiddo's love kobe becuase he scores a bunch of points, but old-school basketball fans, like myself, prefers the team aspect of the game. i spent some time watching past finals on ESPN Classic and those championship team had one thing in common, everyone played TOGETHER and one player generally didn't shot more than 20 times a game. Even kobe in the beginning of the 00-02 championship run, would play good TEAM ball. i don't know what happened from 2002, but someone must have put in his head that his "legacy" is being compromised by Shaq and company. Perhaps that "someone" was the media trying to find a Jordan replacement and kobe fell in love with the idea that he is jordan. i can tell you with absolute certainty, that kobe ain't no Michael Jordan, barely a Jordan wannabe after watching replys of of the Jordan Bulls. I'm sorry if you disagree, but after 3 years of kobe being the "man", kobe has proven his critics right. Now i hear kobe wants to go to the Bulls, Michael Jordan's Bulls? Kobe must have $hit for brains to think that he can to to the House of Jordan to prove his point. I'm going to be out on vaca, so enjoy. You're a good man and take care.

WEAVE
O.K. O.K. I see what your saying...an we do agree LAMAR is a good basketball player but for 13 mill a year he's not worth it.
Let me throw you a BRAD PENNY curve-ball here.......check this out what if we trade LAMAR to BOSTON for their #5,an us that 2 get that 7 foot dude YIN JIAN LIAN....this dude is going to be a stud when it's all said an done.
Phoenix were talking to boston about trading SHAWN MARION to BOSTON for their #5,but I think LAMAR an PAUL P can go a long way in the east.
OH..... you can forget about getting GRANGER that's their new franchise player they want to build a team around him an bynum.
ARTEST
MIKKI MOORE
NOOONOO
I still like VLAD he's coming in with a chip on his shoulder with somthing to prove
An RONNY T will be are starting next year.
line-up
FAMAR GYM-RAT,TRUST ME HE'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER
KOBE (NO-NEED TO SAY ANYTHING)
VLAD BECAUSE HE CAN SPREAD THE FLOOR
RONNY T HIS HEART AN PASSION MATCHES KOBE'S AN O'NEALS
J O'NEAL LOW POST OPERATOR.
BENCH
MO
LUKE
YIN
CHRIS
#40 PG

KORY
I RATHER GIVE UP ODOM THAN FARMAR
FARMAR HAS MORE OF AN UP SIDE THAN LO
AN LO MAKE'S 13 MIL A YEAR WE CAN DO BETTER

Korey,

Thanks for taking the time to post and clarify the correction. I think we can all agree that Sasha if not talent deprived is deprived some other way (like he chokes).

None of the disagreements any of us have a personal.

Your argument that the Pacers would want Farmar makes sense. He has a lot of promise. But he's also (except for Sasha) the only point guard we have on the current roster. Smush is gone and word is that Shammond is headed to play in Europe.

You and I disagree that Smush was the only option last season. PJ, to his credit, thought he could straighten Smush out and gave it a try. But investing in Farmar earlier in the season would have paid better dividends.

Walton is not more valuable, I would argue. Despite his high basketball IQ, his natural ability is limited. When it comes to defense, he is a liability. Most importantly, he does not play with consistency and passion; because of his name he plays with a false sense of entitlement. He definitely should not be in the Lakers starting rotation. My preference if no one else picks him up would be a sign and trade.

Kobe, Lamar, Farmar, and Turiaf would all be "keepers" in my book. Whether we can do a trade with the Pacers without giving up Lamar and/or Farmar is still an unknown. How many of these pieces are worth it to get JO has been a subject of debate here for days, or should I say weeks. We all want the Front Office to do SOMETHING. I admit, I don't have the wisdom to know if this deal is in the category of "Be Careful What You Wish For."

Take it easy KL, Kobe is thinking of you. Have a nice and safe vacation.

GREEK DUDE
THANK'S FOR THE LINK
he pretty much said what kobe said but with-out the MEDIA an HATERS over hyping it up.
I remember he played with a bad shoulder in a play-off game but still had 7 blocks....
Now tell .....me what other LAKER right now sound that confident??????
Now match him up with the GREATEST IN THE GAME an what do you think is going to happen.
their going to make each other better.

Time for a reality check. Kobe to N.Y. ??? There is NO direct trade that can happen between our team and the Knicks. Not even Mitch the human pinata would take a direct beat down from Isiah.

If N.Y. is the destination of choice for Kobe we MUST find a third or even fourth team to get involved.

I would suggest Houston. Their owner wants to change to a more 'entertaining' uptempo style. He hired Rick Adelman to bring his Sacramento circus act to town. Now they need players that can thrive in an uptempo offense.

TRADE:

Lakers trade Kobe to N.Y.

N.Y. trades Crawford, Lee, Fry, J.Jones and first round draft pick to Houston

Houston trades Yao Ming and Bonzi Wells (sign and trade) to Lakers


This trade would give us a legitimate SG to replace Kobe and an All Star at center. All great Laker teams had stars at center. MIng would be huge for LA

Houston would get younger and more athletic, the Knicks could put Kobe out there with the Madison Square janitors and make the playoffs in the east. So everyone is happy or least less unhappy. WHAT SAY YOU?

Rick,
"because of his name he plays with a false sense of entitlement."

No idea where you came up with that. In fact, he has the exact opposite attitude.

Found an interesting stat on Hollinger's latests stat-column about finals team rankings- (By the way, I completely agree with simmons, I'd take it with a grain of salt)

The 2000-2001 season? With Shaq and people who could actually shoot? Kobe averaged a total of 5 assists per game.

The 60+ win season, 2000? Kobe averaged 4.9 assists per game.

The current season? 5 Assists per game.

So for all of you who say Kobe used to pass better....he still gets the same number of asssists with a team who CAN'T shoot.

Houston's not going to trade Yao for parts.

I have lived for more than 5 years in both SoCal and Houston, and I don't but into the theory that Yao has to end up in CA to realize his full potential as a trans-Pacific superstar. Houston's been technically cosmo for some time and is just now developing the style to go with it. I can tell you that Yao has plenty of Asian community support, as well as of course the broader community support - Texans find Yao a genuinely likable guy.

I actually think that Yao in LA takes away the average American sports fan's interest in him, which might offset the increased connection he would have to broader Asian culture. I think LA is far beyond being surprised that someone from a distant culture can be so "like us" and yet remain distinct in so many interesting ways. I think Houston's comparative cultural innocence serves Yao's image-makers just fine.

Tim-4-Show,

“I [Laker Lover]thought I said you were not a troll. My definition is the same as the standard one, a person who visits a site such as this and post unpopular comments in an attempt to disrupt the community.”

I was always curious what the insult “troll” meant, thanks for the definition. I guess I’m a partial troll, I disrupt the community with my sincere beliefs. Tim, tell me the truth as someone who actually plays the sport, do you think someone who’s never played the sport is in a position to say any player in the NBA sucks [my definition of “sucks” is limited to the physical aspect]? For example, nurse faith making the comment that shaq’s a lazy bum. This comment always bugs me because shaq at his worst is probably in better shape than 98% of people on this blog. It always bugged me when some du-mass who can’t make a foul shot make asinine comments about professionals.


Edwin,

“Take it easy KL, Kobe is thinking of you. Have a nice and safe vacation.”

Thanks. I don’t believe kobe thinks of anyone but himself. As Faith would say “haha, hehe, lol”


Taliq,

This is in response from your post a few days back. Believe it or not, I was actually busy at work. I usually get extremely busy right before taking some time off. Now, back to the sparing.

“Look at you, putting me on blast on the very first post. shame on you ... lol ... anyway, schools in session”

Dude, you talk good trash, so of course you’re #1. yo speaking of talking trash, did you see my exchage with Ventriloquist? Funny as hell. if you haven't, i'll re post for you later.

“Dude, if you want to say kobe embarrassed the lakers in public, fine with me. Just don't start saying he's making the gm trade anyone they don't want to.”

Regarding the GM issue (or should I say defacto GM), see below:

--kobe had a problem with shaq, shaq gone.
--kobe had a problem with malone, malone gone
--kobe had a problem with atkins, atkins gone
--kobe has a problem with the entire 2007 squad, 2007 squad soon to be gone
--kobe has a problem with mitch, mitch soon to be gone
--kobe has a problem with lakers management, kobe soon to be gone

“If you truly believe kobe is the one's making the calls then that makes the laker front office even in worse shape than we all thought.”

Fair enough statement. Of course kobe’s not making the calls directly, but have you ever heard the expression “squeaky wheel gets greased”? that’s kobe in a nutshell, create drama and division, then forces the “powers that be” make a divisive decision. I liked kobe much better when he was just a Pipppen to Jordan (ie, shaq). Back then kobe would just play ball and not politics. it's quite obvious that kobe sucks in the political arena.

“On da real all this kobe forced shaq out of town and kobe's the gm trading bynum and odom just shows that you don't believe the front office has what it takes to get the job done.”

We agree here. Look, I’ve admitted if given the choice [emphasis on choice] of shaq or kobe in 2004, kobe without a doubt. The reason is with just one but not both, lakers are not going to get pass the other elite teams in the west, so I [laker mangement] might as well pimp out kid kobe for all I can get………hey, it ain’t personal, just business. yo, throughout my entire career, i see this phenomenon [management telling lies to placate its employees]. i don't give a crap what my management tells me because there is a realy probabily that management tells me what i want to hear. i know if i leave, they'll find someone else. it's just the way it is, no point crying about it. in summary, since lakers arn't winning championships anytime soon (something kobe forced management to do when shaq was traded), laker management might as well do whatever it takes to pimp kobe and make money.........man, this is way too serious of a post.

“Do your F*ing job and handle the situation or tender your resignation if you can't handle the heat.”

If you take my view that laker management is truly pimping kobe, then they are doing their jobs of making money. As always, nice chat. Stay cool.

reality check time,

Why would we trade for a center when we have Bynum? Obviously I think Yao is better than Bynum, but if we're dealing Kobe, more than likely we'll be keeping Bynum.

On the same subject, does anyone have a list of free agents for 2009?

Only interested because IF the Lakers were to make a deal with the Knicks for Kobe, I would want them to take either Francis or Marbury along with Frye, Lee, Robinson (just for entertainment value) and first round draft picks. Both Marbury and Francis expire in two years, the same with LO and if we make NY take Vlad with Kobe, we'll have HUGE cap space to sign whoever.

Just thinking ahead here people.

Guys, i'm tired of Spurs, I'm tired of Kobe rumors, I'm tired of the knicks trying to persuade kobe. Lets just get some deals done. Teams can trade now riight? Isn't Houston sending Howard to Mini for Mike James? We need to be the first one to make some moves. . Something has to happen soon. Don't we need a 1 how come were not involved with the Mike James trades talks? We should go after Artest, then Then Oneil then a big name PG will want to come play with us. I'm so tired of this crap. Lets Goooooooooooo Lakers !!!!!!!!! Don't let the other teams beat you to the punch

Ciao,
CrzyFan

Okay, it's after the 2009-10 season when Lebron, Wade, Melo, and Bosh all become free agents (they all signed shorter extensions to become free agents sooner).

Now, don't you think Lebron would consider coming to LA to be the man in Hollywood? How about Melo?

It might be good to just rebuild now and get what we can for Kobe.

I for one really would rather deal with the Bulls because I think we have a more competitive team and brighter future with that deal (can't bank on landing a free agent, we've been screwed with that before), and with Arenas becoming a free agent next year, having Kwame and say, a signed and traded PJ Brown coming off the books, we could land us a hell of a two guard.

Make the deal Deng, Thomas, Duhon, PJ Brown (S & T-one year) and the #9 for Kobe and I like where we stand.

PG Duhon/Farmar
SG #9/Mo Evans
C Kwame/Bynum
PF LO/Brown/Thomas/Turiaf
SF Deng, Walton, Vlad

With the #9 you could go best player available and at the end of the season we'd have about $22 million coming off the books to pursue free agents plus we get another year of Bynum, Farmar, Turiaf, Ty Thomas and the #9 developing (not to mention the #19). The fact that we don't take back any bad contracts is great as well.

My guess is that we would win 42-45 games. We would definitely lack a go to scorer, but I think this deal would give us a bright future and a competitive team right away.

andrew z,

"IF the Lakers were to make a deal with the Knicks for Kobe, I would want them to take either Francis or Marbury along with Frye, Lee, Robinson (just for entertainment value) and first round draft picks."

i hope you're taking starbury and francis for their expiring contracts? blackstarbury is like a kobe without as much talent and francis has been irrelevant since the mcgrady trade. I do like Da-White Howard (Lee) and Frye. Not bad to start over with those cats plus cap space to get LBJ.........haha.

"Both Marbury and Francis expire in two years, the same with LO and if we make NY take Vlad with Kobe, we'll have HUGE cap space to sign whoever."

i just read the second half of your post. i guess we're on the same page. LBJ or Wade in 2009+? how ironcic would it be to have Wade or LBJ wearing hte purple and gold? i might even consider paying for laker tickets again. perhaps even season tickets...........okay, i'm not there yet financially.

KL,

I play basketball but I kinda suck at it. I can make my free throws though. Am I allowed to say Shaq is a lazy bum? You can't have all the fun, eh?

Ventrioquist
"Today, It's unusually peaceful here. I something or someone missing???"

my .38 is still in my closet. you still mad? dude, what's up with going ape $hit? it was only a joke dude. i hope you don't do a comedy skit. are you telling me you've never heard the joke "do you talk out of the side [emphasis on "side"] of your a$$ as well as the side of your mouth"?

for other bloggers reading this, my joke is professional ventrioquist talk out of the side of their mouths during the act with the dummy whle sports fanatics talk out of their a$$. Having said that, Ventriloquist is a ventriloquist AND a sports fan, so he must talk out of the side [emphasis on "side"] of his ass. LOL. I know i'm laughing at my own joke, story of my life.

We can't get gasol. His defense is terrible. We need a guy in there who will block shots in the middle, and plug up the middle. Gasol gives up 4.2 more points per game when he's in than when he's out. So he's a terrible defensive player.
http://www.82games.com/0607/06MEM17D.HTM

O'neal gives up 4.4 less points when on the floor. he's the one.

CrazyFan

"We should go after Artest, then Then Oneil then a big name PG will want to come play with us. I'm so tired of this crap. Lets Goooooooooooo Lakers !!!!!!!!! Don't let the other teams beat you to the punch"

You think Michael Jordan is willing to come out of retirement? We'd truly have a side show then. I've got a new nickname for kid kobe.........the Big Sideshow.......Sideshow Kob.......kinda like Sideshow Bob in the Simpsons. Kobe got tired to being Tito to Shaq's Michael. But instead of kobe being Michael Jackson, Kobe's turning out to be closer to LaToya Jackson (you know the fortune teller Jackson). haha.

http://www.latoyaonline.com/

KL,

Absolutely Marbury and Francis for their contracts. Although, they are both upgrades over Smush, and take care of our PG problem, lol!

But yeah, strictly contracts.

I wouldn't want Q-Rich or Crawford of any other long deal. We tried to go "halfway" when we broke up the last good Laker team in the Shaq trade and have been staring down the barrell of mediocrity and frustration with no end in sight since.

If we move Kobe, do so with the intention of building from the ground up.

Ex:

It’s funny how the East had no problem with seeding the entire NCAA Tournament with the best teams regardless of whether they came from the East or West. Of course, the real reason it was done was to prevent the UCLA Bruins from continuing to win the NCAA Basketball Championship every year.

But suggest that the same solution be used for the NBA playoffs and the owners, writers, and fans of the Eastern Conference teams would be up in arms. You would have a better chance of turning the Eastern Conference into a minor league. Lol.

It’s just like politics. The East dictates and the West follows.

Tom

 
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