The league of extraordinarily wet blankets
May 14, 2007 | 9:11
am
As Laker fans get deeper into the offseason, heads full of team-improvement schemes, expect to see plenty of articles like this one, pointing out a) that the Lakers need some serious help and b) nobody is tripping over themselves to give it to them, the NBA being a strange combination of cut throat business and catty high school. Maybe Jim Buss can help in the reconstruction project, as he continues his rise through the organization. By the way, what ever happened to the Lazers?
BK



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ATTENTION LAKER FANS and KL BEAST
To use a phrase from a great movie "JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I WAS OUT, THEY PULL ME BACK IN AGAIN."
Here I was retired when I decide to peek in and see how The Blog is coming along and what do I see?
Ridiculous, stupid asinine comments posted by some character by the name of BLACKMAMBA24.
Now I could give less than a damn about the comments but the handle BLACKMAMBA24 is to similar
to my blog name of MAMBA24. So I would like to reassure one and all that these asinine comments
were not written by me but by this clown called KL BEAST. So BEAST, I have tried to be cool with you
and if you are as cool as you would pretend to be I would appreciate you changing your secondary blog name
from BLACKMAMBA24 to something a little less close to Mamba24. Of Course it is your right to use any name
you choose and it is also your right to be a stupid a** hole. So the choice is yours my friend.
Just be advised don't take my humorous post and attempts to make you feel welcome on the Blog as a sign of weakness.
If you want to play dirty I can play just as dirty. So Ill leave you with a little thought my friend,
computers aren't a hobby with me, programming and systems is what I happen to do for a living
and I am very good at what I do. Nuff said.
PS. HAPPY MOTHERS DAY BEAST
Posted by: Mamba24 | May 14, 2007 at 09:18 AM
Artest - Why the heck not????????
I mean, if Lakers can't get KG, they sure as hell should look into Artest.
He can give us the presence we need both defensively and in intimdation.
Sure, he may be a cancer, but if anyone can handle him its Phil
He can play the "Rodman" to our Jordan (Kobe) and Pippen (Odom)
Look at that Dave Smith says on his site:
"f I'm Mitch Cupcake, I'm already on the phone, wheeling and dealing to bring in a poece who can win the Lakers another championship. The similarity to Dennis Rodman is eerie, because in 1995 nobody wanted him; except Jerry Krause and Phil Jackson. Now, the modern-day Rodman is available...."
AND
"Artest owns a home in Los Angeles, loves Kobe, respects Phil and desperately wants to become a Laker...."
So again I ask........WHY THE HECK NOT?????
getgarnett.com
helpkobe.com
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
Posted by: King Lakernidas | May 14, 2007 at 09:41 AM
Hey everyone, Im back. Remind me what NJ was looking for in addition to Bynum for Kidd back in Feb.
I am thinking Bynum and fodder (McKie, maybe he can stave off retirement just to help us out) for Kidd (we should have tried to send Smush with him in Feb).
Try to send Brown, Vlad, Cook and Sasha for O'Neil.
Keep KB, LO, Luke, Ronny, Mihm and Farmar. Then extend PJ. Pick up a few scrubs that want to learn and play.
TWoody
24/7
Next years Club 55
Posted by: TWoody | May 14, 2007 at 09:42 AM
KL the BUST
Posted by: Kobe Apologist | May 14, 2007 at 09:47 AM
Whatever did happen to the Lazers? Jimmy Boy was stearin' that ship as our blog masters obviously recall. I'm hazy on the details but so is the general world of sport 'cause that team kept a lower profile than Dr Richard Kimball.
Kind of makes one wonder what Jim's full resume looks like. If we charted his stats compared to other up and coming NBA team execs, would he compare favorably, or is it just plain old nepotism? Did I really have to ask?
Posted by: Vman | May 14, 2007 at 09:49 AM
TWoody
If you can get the Nets to take Bynum and McKie for Kidd, I nominate you for GM of the Century right here, right now.
Posted by: The Waterboy | May 14, 2007 at 09:56 AM
Man, if Kobe was on the Suns instead of Nash, the Suns would be UP 2-1 instead of down 2-1 right now.
Posted by: Kobe Apologist | May 14, 2007 at 10:04 AM
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
Posted by: Mamba24 | May 14, 2007 at 10:10 AM
Double standards:
Bruce Bowen is currently under review for kneeing Nash. What about the knee Nash gave to Kobe on that lay-up in game 4? The lips are kept shut about that. This is absurd. What do you all think about that?
Posted by: lakerfan4life1974 | May 14, 2007 at 10:11 AM
Waterboy,
Thats why I was asking what else did NJ want for Kidd in additino to Bynum. McKie is a buyout/expiring contract waiting to happen. Eveyone wants cap space. Kidd only has a few years left and Bynum can come home and has an NBA lifetime left, the question is just what is he going to do with that lifetime.
TWoody
24/7
Posted by: TWoody | May 14, 2007 at 10:19 AM
King Lakernidas,
I see where you are going with Artest, but can we really handle that attitude in the locker room. Look at the trouble he has brought in Sactown already. And giving up Luke is a bad idea.
TWoody
24/7
Posted by: TWoody | May 14, 2007 at 10:21 AM
especially since Bynum makes 2.5 million, McKie is a FA and Kidd makes 19 million.
TWoody, I appreciate and respect your enthusiasm, but there are rules to making trades. Don't forget the fun in thinking about possible trades is just that: POSSIBLE trades.
Now, Bynum, Kwame and Vlad for Kidd would be within the salary rules, and could be a good trade to discuss. Personally I would be more in favor of using Kwame and/or Bynum to get Artest and/or Garnett - it's a longshot, but so was signing both Malone and Payton.
Artest, I think, is a very real possiblity. The similarities to Rodman ARE eerie, and if we can be sure he's not going to randomly retire next year and go off to raise killer dogs, I say we trade for him. Sac is undervaluing him right now, for whatever the reason, and we need to capitalize on that. If we can make the Artest deal happen, there is always the chance that KG will opt out and sign with us in the summer of 2008 - and I think that's a whole lot more likely if we keep LO and Bynum.
If we add Artest SO many needs are addressed: we get another scoring option, we get a defensive presence, we get a bona fide all-star to sell tickets, and we enable Luke to come off the bench. If we do this deal, all we need to do is sign a journeyman PG to a 1-year contract to mentor Farmar (like Ron Harper in 1999-2000). If we need to trade we can use Vlad and/or Cook as bait - as much bad press as they get around here, big dudes that can shoot are in demand around the league. PGs are a dime a dozen; we should be able to make something happen. Our lineup then looks like:
RANDOM PG
KOBE
ARTEST
LO
MIHM
with a bench of:
LUKE
FARMAR
BYNUM
RONNY
MO
COOK
I think this makes us crazily deep and puts us in an excellent position to make a legitimate playoff run next year. Then, all we have to do is root for the Wolves to lose and I think KG comes here to officially kick off the new school dynasty in 2008-2009.
Posted by: SBPimp | May 14, 2007 at 10:29 AM
Now it's Kobe's fault for speaking up about change for this team. For not accepting losing.
Now he's "handicapping" the team!!!
Well, if the team would've actually got some balls and made the move for :
Baron Davis, Artest, or SOMEONE WORTHY in the last 3 years he wouldnt have said it.
So it's not Kobe's fault and him speaking out wont hinder the team.
Jim Buss just needs to get his pony-tailed act together.
Posted by: Korey | May 14, 2007 at 10:31 AM
Jim Buss control damage wheeling.
Well, Jim Buss is recriminating Phil and Kobe for being public.
He goes public criticizing them for being public.
That’s infantilism.
He should have talked to Kobe/Phil in private, putting to them over the table his point of view, and negotiating a compromise accord, where a consensus strategy will be implemented to upgrade the Lakers and to minimize wild press statements that only make looks the Team, desperate for trades.
But again, the guy looks very emotional, confrontational and polemic.
His father would handle this matter different.
Now, If Kobe felt necessary to voice his opinion publicly about the team, its means he expressed his concern before and nobody would listen. We know the Mitch excuse (Jim Buss excuse) "this team needs time to develop".
Jim Buss should hire a public relations personal assistance, beside John Black, to help him build a healthy image with Lakers fans.
So far by now, people just see him as the father wannabe, the George Bush type of son who doesn't listen anybody and just want to enforce his reality even when is questionable in terms of logic.
Posted by: jorema | May 14, 2007 at 10:32 AM
SBPimp, "think KG comes here to officially kick off the new school dynasty in 2008-2009."
You speak my language SB
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
Posted by: Mamba24 | May 14, 2007 at 10:38 AM
VMan,
Well, we know what happened to the Lazers, how about those race horses under Jim's care? Is Barbaro one of them? They're all gone. I can see there is huge debate going on this week between him and Phil and Jeanie is the referee. Well, before he starts admonishing Zen, he should consult first with Jerry Reinsdorf, Jerry Kruze (Chicago owner and GM in '99) and Jerry West as well as his Dad, Dr. Jerry Buss. I believe, it's kinda' too late to teach old dogs with new tricks. This cliche' applies to both of them.
Is this an omen of what things to come with the Laker organization?
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | May 14, 2007 at 10:39 AM
TWoody,
I think Lakers can handle someone like Artest. Heck, Phil had Rodman, and if he could control him he can control Artest. I agree though, keep Luke if possible.
Just a thought, has anyone with an NBA video game tried putting Garnett on the Lakers?
BRYANT/GARNETT '07/'08
Posted by: King Lakernidas | May 14, 2007 at 10:40 AM
Sam Smith from Chicago:
Shorts......
"Shaquille O'Neal joins Darwin Cook as the only players on playoff teams swept six times."
Nets President Rod Thorn admitted last week in an interview he was close to trading Jason Kidd to the Lakers in February, but the Lakers wouldn't give up Andrew Bynum. They will now. …
Good one from a reader to the New York Post about Nowitzki's upcoming MVP award ceremony: "If [Commissioner] David Stern is as smart as advertised, he'll sign a promotional deal with Southwest Airlines and turn the whole event into one of those 'Want to get away?' ads."
The Sonics have former Bulls assistant and Mavs coach Jim Cleamons, now an assistant with the Lakers, on their list to replace Bob Hill.
Posted by: jorema | May 14, 2007 at 10:48 AM
Korey,
Unfortunately, there's some truth to the idea that Kobe speaking out with a decided "do it or else" tone may put the Lakers at a deal-making disadvantage. When other teams know there's desperation on the Lakers' side to make something happen immediately (sparked in part to placate Kobe), that puts them in the driver's seat when it comes to dictating terms. You never want to trade from a perceived position of weakness. For example, the obvious "ASAP" urgency with the Shaq trade hurt the Lakers. L.A. probably could have done better if there wasn't a vibe of being on the clock.
I understand Kobe's frustrations and I wouldn't say he "destroyed" any chances to make a good deal. But he definitely didn't do the team any favors in their quest to make him happy.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | May 14, 2007 at 10:54 AM
I say VladRad and this year's pick for Artest. We don't have the capability to develop young players, we get to keep Luke, Kwame, LO, Mihm and Bynum in case KG or JO become available - and most importantly, we get to shed Vlad's long(er) contract.
Kwame/Bynum/Mihm
LO/Turiaf/
Artest/Luke
Kobe/Mo
FreeAgent/Farmar/
With Cook/Sasha/Mihm as ballast.
Posted by: hariyahu | May 14, 2007 at 10:54 AM
get j-kidd for the pg we need get artest for the defensive stopper we need. get pau gasol for the center we need. let's hope to god, kg will not be traded to the bulls or the knicks and finally leave mini to join j-kidd, kobe, lamar, ron-ron and pau in 2008.
Posted by: xtromofag | May 14, 2007 at 10:57 AM
King Lakernidas,
Artest would not work in the way you have suggested because he is not in the same mold as Rodman. Defesnively, he may be similar in some ways with his defensive abilities, however, Rodman had 1 one function on the offensive end....rebounding. Artest is not that same force of a rebounder on either end of the floor, plus he would want to have more of a key role offensively. He likes to dribble into the post and post up. He likes to shoot the occasional 3 which he isn't very good at.
I think he would only be a detriment to the overall working of this team.....and that has nothing to do with his attitude. It is all about his style of play.
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Question - is a trade for Artest really possible?
It appears as though it would be financially possible given the fact that Artest does not have a large contract. Using the NBA Trade Machine, it seems to work out perfectly if we were to trade Kwame for Artest.
But again, the question still arises - is a trade for Artest really possible? Let's put on our Sacramento GM hat for a second - would you trade Artest, one of the game's better defenders and streaky offensive players, for Kwame Brown, a number one draft pick who some may say is teetering on the draft day "bust" label?
I implore you to think for a second. The Maloofs, who are highly competitive in their own right, will be ridding themselves of one of their key players to a division rival. Sure, Artest is a cancer on their team and doesn't seem to get along too well with their other star, Bibby. But what possible good would trading him be on their end only to receive a marginal player in Kwame that only shows glimpses of possibility but is consistenly... well... inconsistent. Not to mention all the injuries that Kwame needs to recover from. I see no positives for Sacramento for this trade. It is a lop-sided deal in my opinion.
Let us then, retool the trade. Let's say you trade Bynum and Cook for Artest. Would the Laker's be willing to trade away their possible future franchise player in Bynum to a division rival? I hardly think that the heir to Lakerdom would trade away his golden egg for Artest. I could see Buss trading Bynum for an MVP caliber type of player, such as Garnett - but not for someone like Artest. I see positives for Sacramento - but again - this is a lop-sided deal for the Lakers.
So again - I ask the question - Do you guys really think a trade for Artest is really going to happen? Financially? Yes - it's possible without giving up too many pieces of the core group. But will the Lakers and Kings front office pull the trigger? Nah. There's a better chance of the Mercutio being traded for Tybalt before this trade can happen. In one Laker fan's eyes, of course.
Ahlayn
Posted by: ahlayn | May 14, 2007 at 11:02 AM
REPOST:
Michael h,
“Next year if we are healthy and he ignores his teamates and hogs the ball, i will join your hate club. But this year he did what he had to do.”
Valid points. I’m hoping next year will be different and we won’t have to hate on kobe. I’ve said many times, winning cures all sins. kobe had a heavy hand in getting us here, so I expect him to get us out.
“As for Kobe wanting this? Come on, dude wants to win more then anyone i have ever seen.”
I don’t disagree on the boy wanting to win…..winning what is the question. so far, winning scoring titles and scoring records doesn’t mean jack.
jorema,
“English as second languaje is taking over more and more this country in sports.”
First off, I apologize for the jokes I made about your writing. English is my second language as well. I welcome diversity of opinion and culture to any discussion. I’m really happy to see the growth of international players into the league. Guys like Dirk, Yao, Nash are awesome to watch. The finesse aspect of the game is great.
Aaarrrhhhh!! (aka Angry_Laker)
“Please can you tell me why it is ok for Tim Duncan to have 33 pts 0 assists and not be called a Ball Hog.”
Easy, TD’s on the post and he’s not getting doubled teamed. If he’s doubled, then outside opens up. It’s a strategic move by the Suns to now allow others to get off. Just my take. Aaaarahhh!!!
Mitchell=mitch cupcake,
“Even after reading all the illogical and blantantly ignorant posts from the KOBE HATERS, I am still in a good mood today. So, I will give you idiots a FREE lesson on the history of the HATERS in the NBA:”
One word to you my friend……..Ad hominem
“Kobe Bryant has THREE championships, and is considered the best player in the league by his peers, yet the haters are predictably chanting "TRADE KOBE!!!! He is a ballhog.”
kobe has 3 rings thanks for shaq and I never said trade kobe. I want kobe to live with breaking up the laker almost-dynasty and give him an opportunity to redeem himself. so for, kobe hasn’t done jack. I don’t care if he’s the best player in the galactico-universe. the laker team sucks.
Exiled,
“if you think that Kobe wants to win more than anyone else, I disagree. If that were the case, he'd have found a way to make Shaq believe that he was the man while surfing on that big behemoth's back to 2 more titles. He coulda done it. D-Wade did it, and he got his ring and Finals MVP. Exactly what Kobe wanted. And Kobe's a better player than D-Wade. He just let his ego get the best of him.”
kobe lovers (or is it kobe’s lovers), please read Exiled’s post 10 times carefully………..now do you get it?
korey,
“Get Kobe help in the next two years, make the Western Conference Finals at least, or Kobe walks.”
I really don’t care if kobe walks. it’ll just reinforce my negative opinion of he punk-ass who gave up titles for selfish purposes. I care about the laker team winning being the “house on a hill”. I’d rather have the entire Utah Jazz team than kobe and 11 stiffs.
Fearless,
“You know, I'm sitting here thinking of some of the debate between those who think King James is the best player in the NBA v. those of us who choose Kobe. I think the argument is clearly in Kobe's favor.”
please get your head out of kobe’s rectum. who’s still in the playoffs?? LBJ or kobe “the snake” Bryant?? BTW, how do you like the cheese with that WHINE!!?
“I'm betting Kobe excels in LBJ's position (playing in the EAST?) and LBJ shoots himself in the head out of frustration when Smush bricks yet another wide-open jumper or Kwame drops another sure dime out of bounds.”
Here’s what’ll happen if LBJ and kobe trade positions, the good players will leave the Cavs and follow LBJ and the cheesy players will got to Cleveland to watch “the greatest one-man show ever”.
Mamba24,
Mamba24, I thought we cool? Blackmamba24 is not my post, I 100% assure you.
“Just be advised dont take my humorous postS and attempts to make you feel welcome on the Blog as a sign of weakness.”
dude, calm down. it’s only a blog. no need to get upset.
“computers arent a hobby with me, programming and systems is what I happen to do for a living and I am very good at what I do. Nuff said.”
I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but you’re taking things a little too serious. Please disregard anything I post if you’re going to take this so seriously. you’re beginning to sound like Mitchell.
G_O,
“KL: Sorry that I won't be able to join the Dark Side completely. ;)”
we all want the same thing but in different ways. we’re all laker fans.
Posted by: KL "the beast" | May 14, 2007 at 11:03 AM
This ESPN.com Trade Machine is really interesting.
The more I look at the landscape of the NBA I am even more convinced that the Lakers could be a legitimate contender next season with the right moves this summer. Those believing that they are too hindered by their current lack of cap space or current “lack of talent” haven’t really looked at this team correctly. I see plenty of options, several of which make a lot of sense and should result in immediate improvements. Here are some of the latest moves that I would recommend to the Lakers at this time.
3-Team Trade with Minnesota and New York
Minnesota offers: Kevin Garnett and Mark Blount
New York offers: Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffries, and Channing Frye
Los Angeles offers: Sasha Vujacic, Vladimir Radmanovic, Brian Cook, and Kwame Brown
Minnesota receives: Steve Francis, Sasha Vujacic, Channing Frye, Brian Cook, and Kwame Brown
New York receives: Kevin Garnett and Vladimir Radmanovic
Los Angeles receives: Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffries, and Mark Blount
First, let me say that the sheer beauty of this trade in relationship to the Lakers is that they are seemingly improving the team without touching their core players (Kobe, Lamar, Andrew)…and, it won’t even matter to the other teams in the trade. Normally, anytime a team is able to work a trade like this, the other teams are being shorthanded somewhere, however in this trade scenario, all 3 teams would seemingly get what they want and need.
Minnesota: The T-wolves realize that they are in drastic need of rebuilding. That rebuilding can or can not involve Kevin Garnett. He has made it very clear that he is not willing to endure another rebuilding project and would rather be traded before that happens. Kevin has been very diplomatic in his conversations about his future, although he has been clear in his desire to potentially play with Kobe Bryant or Stephon Marbury. Of those two options, it is more likely that he will end up in New York than in Los Angeles if for no other reason than Kevin McHale will not trade him to the Lakers. Therefore, he would have to be a free agent to get to the Lakers which means another season in Minnesota first. However, McHale may be inclined to send KG to a team like the Knicks, if he is able at the same time to acquire enough pieces to begin rebuilding the T-wolves. Minnesota already has Randy Foye to begin building around. Adding a young big man like Channing Frye would be a nice move at this point. They are also in need of a solid starting point guard, and Steve Francis could that position. Kwame Brown is entering the final year of his contract which will mean cap space for Minnesota to go out and get a free agent. Sasha and Brian are low dollar players that could provide some minutes off the bench. Considering the irreplaceable nature of Kevin Garnett, this would be a workable beginning step in rebuilding the T-wolves into a solid playoff team.
New York: Isaiah Thomas was given one directive when he first came to New York, win a championship. He has not even been in the playoff since arriving in New York. Perhaps he can continue taking the baby steps like he did this past year, gaining moral victory after moral victory. However, the bottom-line is that he has too much on the books and not enough on the basketball court. Based on performance per dollar evaluations, he is grossly overpaying for talent that isn’t producing. How do you solve that? You go out and acquire a player that always performs at the same high, yet consistent level every night. The prospect of placing Kevin Garnett alongside Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry is enough to make this trade a no-brainer for the Knicks. This 3-headed monster would instantly become the strongest team in the Atlantic Division, moving ahead of the surging Raptors. For a team that has not been in the playoffs in quite a number of years, the thought of having to sacrifice so many players just to gain Kevin Garnett shouldn’t even be an issue. Along with KG, the Knicks would also be obtaining a solid perimeter shooter in Vladimir Radmanovic. Observers should not be fooled by the poor year he just finished. He is a much better performer, but being in the wrong/right system is important. The Triangle Offense just isn’t for every player. However, in New York, with both Garnett and Curry drawing many double teams, Vlade would find himself open often for great 3-point looks.
Los Angeles: Any trade that is going to improve the 1, 3, and 5 positions, with out sacrificing the Farmar, Odom, Turiaf or Bynum, is a GREAT trade. The future of the Lakers begins with those four plus Kobe. However, every core group needs that extra support that 1 or 2 additional players can bring. Detroit has found that compliment in guys like Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, and Chris Webber. Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Ben Wallace were their core, but they needed some support. The exit of Ben, meant the need for additional help. The Lakers are in a similar position with good solid pieces in place, seemingly only needing some additional support to get them to the next level. Consider Crawford, Jeffries and Blount joining a roster of Farmar, Bryant, Evans, Walton, Odom, Turiaf and Bynum. That is a solid 10-man rotation. At that point, the Lakers would still be able to add an additional piece with their MLE as well as 2 or 3 players through the draft. In fact, they could still work another draft day trade with their 19th pick, similar to the Evans trade from a last year.
Los Angeles Lakers Starters: Crawford, Bryant, Jeffries, Odom, Blount
Reserves: Farmar, Evans, Walton, Turiaf, Bynum, Free Agent, draft pick, draft pick, draft pick
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 11:03 AM
Kobe Apologist,
"KL the BUST"
Pretty funny.
Mamba24,
did you read my post?? I've been cool with you, so I don't know where is anger is coming from. I am not Blackmamba24.
Posted by: KL "the beast" | May 14, 2007 at 11:05 AM
I'm not sure that Phil can handle anymore a generation X player like Artest.
There is a big difference between n the generation that Phil is (typical hippie-babyboomers )and the one he is handling now.
Jordan, Pippen and Rodman were more late Babyboomers than Generation Xers.
Baby boomers are more willing to submit themselves to certain structure. Generation X likes freewheeling, and they don't feel loyalty is a sacred thing.
Phil had a myriad of problems in last ten years to control players inside the team:
Gary Payton, Horace Grant, Smush, Kwame, Vlad, Cook...all of them became rebelious under Phil tutelage.
Yo can tell me Payton is understandable because the guy is a hall of famer.
But Smush? Cook? VLa? Those guys never felt in need of change their behavior with the team and in the basketball court.
Please give Phil, well behave guys. He won't change his coaching patterns. Phil like to play games and use silly and controversial t approach to motivate players.
Obviously those technics aren't working anymore.
Posted by: jorema | May 14, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Mamba 24,
My brother, why wasting your valuable time reasoning with someone that obviously have no common sense whatsoever. We were doing fine by just ignoring him and go along with other conversation. I for all decided to read the blog and post only if it's really necessary. We're not going to be able to help those haters see the ray of light, the fact are so blunt and yet they look the other way. That's not going to change mine, yours and other decent fans on this blog. So let be at peace with it. If he wants to chose a name that's close to ours it's OK, the guy lack creativity anyway...So don't bother brother and keep on bringing us your insights and smarts, Lord knows the blog needs it.
Go Lakers! Go Kobe! Love you or hate you...
Mamba from the eastcoast
Ps I like the Artest idea in the extend we can't get KG or JO and have the chance to keep LO.
Posted by: mamba24fan4life | May 14, 2007 at 11:09 AM
problem here guys is this... has phil lost his touch? I mean you are right about rodman, and I will be psyched to take a gamble on artest, because I'll be optimistic about the gaps he fills (as SBpimp showed very well-great post). My worry is that phil's lost that loving feeling. I mean look at smush this year. Look at kwame. Look at Cook and Vlad. And even baby-bynum. These guys completely disrespected phil and were cancerous to our locker room chemistry and on court hustle. None of them showed any heart or desire, even less passion or respect for the jersey's they are priveledged to wear. If phil can't keep smush in line, how could he ever control artest.
Now like I said, I hope I'm wrong, because the biggest difference between Artest and smush, kwam etc. IS THAT HE IS A BALLER. None of the guys I listed above could hoop, I mean really hoop. Dennis Rodman could play some ball and so can Artest, these other clowns are just collecting checks, snowboarding, whining brats who throw more cakes and warm ups around than basketballs.
Hopefully it works.
If we cant get Artest, If we cant swipe KG or JO, and if we fail to snag kidd. What do you all think about Bonzi wells. He's on the outs in Houston and his value is as low at it could possibly be. We could prob. sign him for less than the mid-level. (or is he under contract still with houston??nebody know) I think if he'd be a good pickup if we could get him cheap. Maybe adding bonzi and a big trade for kidd??
Kidd
kobe
bonzi
Lamar
Mihm
farmar
ronny
turiaf
evans
luke
trade vlad and cook for a new set of sharp knives. I'd rather cut cans effectively than pay these clowns to wear purple and gold.
Posted by: jandro | May 14, 2007 at 11:13 AM
Ron Artest may have the attitude and past history similar to Dennis Rodman, but his style of play is more like Rick Fox.
Vlade would be a wise choice in a trade for him. However, if you are going to get Artest, his presence makes Luke walton no longer desireable. Ron is a decent passer and when in the post he can demand a double team. The only thing is that the Lakers cannot afford to let the ball rest too long in his possession as Sacramento has had happen. He can be an asset but not as a Dennis Rodman, but as a Rick Fox.
In fact, the Lakers should not be trying to comprise a team similar to the Bulls because they don't have a Scottie Pippen. That is really what caused them problems this season. If Lamar had been Scottie, the Lakers would have functioned better in the triangle and as a team.
They should be trying to be like the Lakers that won the three titles....
PG: Harper/Fisher/Lue
SG:Bryant/Shaw
SF:Fox/George
PF:Grant/Horry
C:O'Neal/Madsen/Medvedenko
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 11:15 AM
jorema,
We are overlooking a key fact about Rodman.....no matter how crazy he was off the court and even sometimes on the court, He wanted to win championships above anything else. His behavior in Chicago was just as much a result of his own focus on winning as it was anything else.
Do you recall when he came to LA for those 10 games? He said he couldn't take it because the team didn't seem to have the true desire to want to win a championship above anything else. Say what you will about Rodman, he was a winner.
As for Artest, he is not a proven winner. That is another reason why I continue to say that he is more like Rick Fox than Rodman. Rick Fox learned how to win and he became our enforcer. Artest could be that. His attitude is rougher and much crazier than Rick, but his style of play is similar in many ways.
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 11:23 AM
Two points: Boozer and former Laker playoff heroes.
First, Boozer. He is doing quite well right now in the playoffs. Remember the Odom/Boozer talks a few years back? If we had done it, we would not have needed to get Kwame and thus would have kept Caron. Assuming we still missed the playoffs that year (as Boozer was injured) and therefore got Bynum, this is what our lineup would look like:
C: Bynum
PF: Boozer
SF: Butler
SG: Bryant
PG: Some filler veteran
Bench:
C: Mihm
PF: Turiaf
SF: Walton
Who thinks we should have done this? It was hard at the time of course since Boozer was hurt so much.
Second, former Lakers Fisher and Horry are playing key roles for great teams right now (If we had Horry in '04, we would have won). So while it appeared the supporing cast was getting old, they actually look good right now. So had we kept them and Shaq/Kobe together and added a few other pieces to replace Fox, we could still be doing good. This points to poor management and the need for Mitch to go.
Posted by: Purple&Gold | May 14, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Mamba24fan4life, "My brother, why wasting your valuable time reasoning with ",
Spoken like a true Mamba. Thanks Mamba24fan4life sometimes I do tend to lose
perspective when it comes o the Lakers so it's always good to have another
mamba from the good mamba branch around. LOL
You know I can't believe I actually wrote that sentence.
Beast we still cool. My Bad , chalk it off to seeing a horrible picture over
the weekend that I had been waiting to see which didn't live up
to the anticipation Spiderman3
Posted by: Mamba24 | May 14, 2007 at 11:26 AM
jandro,
Phil hasn't lost it, he just doesn't have the players he's been use to. Look at who was on the team that won the first title. Ron Harper, Robert Horry, AC Green, and John Salley. That was 4 players with multiple championsips each, for teams in which they played key roles. It means something to have that anchoring your team. Then you add in seasoned players like Brian Shaw and then Rick Fox. The Lakers had a solid core of veteran players, which Phil works best with. If you notice the Lakers went down as the team became both older and younger.......what i mean is tat when the older players became too old to provide what they had in the past.....while the other players were young and inexperienced, the Lakers fell off.
For this team to be successful, they must bring in a mixture of seasoned players including someone that has won a championship or at least has finals experience.
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 11:28 AM
Purple&Gold,
How you reached a conclusion that poor management, namely Mitch, is the reason for the Lakers falling apart back then escapes me. Sure the Lakers could have kept going, but where you have gone wrong is that you believe that Horry still wanted to play in LA? He wasn't traded.....he walked as a free agent. If he felt he still had a lot of life left....he should have stayed.
Plus, the Lakers had gotten old and Horry no longer could handle major responsibilities. With the Spurs Horry doesn't have a major role anymore. He's not even a starter. The Lakers would have required too much from him. As for Fisher, we kept him that next year, and wanted to keep him the following year. We offered him a decent contract...and he too chose to walk.
Don't blame management for players choosing to leave.
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 11:34 AM
rodman did not walk away from the lakers, the lakers walked away from rodman. I remember something about the last straw involving him showing up late to practice with no shoes?? No shoes?? cmon man. I'm with you JJ he was a winner in Detroit and winner in Chicago, but the guy was nuts, and HE blew his opportunity with LA. I mean when he bounced we did proceed to win 3 Championships in succession--so much for not seeming to "have the true desire to want to win a championship above anything else"
Posted by: jandro | May 14, 2007 at 11:35 AM
As promised last week, here's the first installment of...
THE ADVENTURES OF MAD DOG AND RONNY!!!
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INT. DINER - MORNING
A normal coffee shop/house of pancakes in Los Angeles. It's about 9:00 in the morning and while the restaurant isn't packed, there's a good number of people drinking coffee, munching on toast and eating eggs.
Two of these people are RONNY Turiaf and Mark "MAD DOG" Madsen. They are sitting in a booth towards the back, Ronny reads a paper and smokes a cigarette while Mad Dog is finishing off a huge plate of waffles. A half-eaten omelet and toast sit on a plate in front of Ronny.
Mad Dog takes the last bite and pushes his plate towards the edge of the table. He begins staring across the table, eagerly holding his knife and fork in hand.
MAD DOG
Hey...
Ronny continues reading, obviously not hearing Mad Dog.
MAD DOG
Yo, Ronny.
RONNY
Huh?
Ronny lets the paper fall a bit, but doesn't stop concentrating on what he's looking at. Mad Dog picks up a sugar packet and hurls it into the back of the paper, creating a large dent. Ronny immediately folds the paper and crushes it on the seat beside him. A family seated near the two glance over and stare for a couple seconds before going back to their meals.
RONNY
Did you want something, Dog?
MAD DOG
(pointing at the food in front of Ronny)
You gonna eat that?
RONNY
(laughing and shaking his head)
Naw, man. Go for it.
Mad Dog slides the plate in front of him and starts in on the toast.
MAD DOG
There anything in the paper about last night?
RONNY
Not that I could find. Great article on Feng
Shui for Dummies, though.
Mad Dog laughs as he takes a bite of the omelet and shakes his head.
MAD DOG
Well, I guess it can't be helped. Like we
said in the beginning... this wasn't going
to be about the glory.
RONNY
True dat, Dog. True dat.
INT. BAR - THE NIGHT BEFORE
The place is filled with smoke from cigars. The low lighting from a few well placed lamps are all that keep the room from being completely pitch black. An assortment of seedy looking girls mingle in with the mostly business attired male crowd.
A group of four of these men sit at a booth in one of the darker corners away from the rest of the crowd. Three of them speak English with Russian accents while the fourth is clearly American.
RUSSIAN #1
Did you bring it?
The American picks up a briefcase on the floor beside him and slowly places it on the table.
AMERICAN
Of course. Have you wired the funds?
RUSSIAN #1
Let's see them first.
RUSSIAN #2
Yes... let's see them.
RUSSIAN #3 takes a cell phone out of his jacket pocket and turns away from the others before dialing a number and putting it to his ear. The American fidgets with the combination lock and after a few moments opens the case and turns it towards the Russians.
All three Russians stare intently at the contents of the case. Russian #1 nods at Russian #3 and then turns back to the American.
RUSSIAN #1
So... it is true. I never thought Jeanie
Buss would have actually posed for
that kind of photography.
AMERICAN
(nodding)
I can't reveal my source, but I was able
to gain knowledge of them from inside
the Laker organization.
The door at the front of the bar opens rather abruptly as Ronny and Mad Dog enter. Both are dressed in all black with leather trenchcoats and sunglasses. They make their way through the crowd towards the table with the four men.
Just as the American is closing the briefcase and sliding it accross the table to the Russians, Ronny reaches inside his jacket and pulls out two uzis, one in each hand. Mad Dog slides a large shotgun out of his jacket, cocks it once and fires it into the ceiling. The entire crowd inside the bar goes quiet except for a couple screams and the thumping techno music.
RONNY
Well, whaddya know. Hey, Mad
Dog... did ya know the Ugly People
of Russia Convention was in town?
Russian #2 snarls, reaches inside his jacket and starts to pull out a gun. Mad Dog takes a step towards him and smashes him in the face with the butt of the shotgun. Russian #2 howls in pain, covering his nose and falls down on the floor.
MAD DOG
Naw, man... you've got the wrong guys.
These guys are from the Stupid Ugly
People of Russia Convention.
RONNY
(chuckling) No doubt, Dog.
MAD DOG
(pointing the business end of the
shotgun at the three remaining at the table)
Now, if you fellas don't have any more
objections, we'll be takin that case.
Ronny puts one of the Uzis back in a shoulder holster and takes the briefcase. The two Russians and the American sit there fuming, but not saying anything. Ronny and Mad Dog begin to back away from the table, keeping their guns pointed at the table. A waitress accidentally bumps into Ronny and flinches.
RONNY
(winking)Want some sugar, babe?
The waitress blushes and giggles. Ronny and Mad Dog turn as they near the door and exit, leaving the bar.
INT. DINER - MORNING
Mad Dog is still eating Ronny's meal as Ronny has gone back to reading the paper.
MAD DOG
You notice that one of those guys
looked familiar?
RONNY
You mean Jim Buss's assistant?
MAD DOG
Yeah, I thought that was him.
RONNY
It's gonna be a long summer, Dog.
A damn long summer.
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I'm not really sure why I decided to write this in a screenplay format, I guess it was just easier.
Stay tuned for more installments this Summer!
Posted by: generic_one | May 14, 2007 at 11:36 AM
KIDD
KOBE
LO
RON RON
CHRIS M
WOWWWWW,this is the line-up u guys are willing to put on the court
A 36 year-old pg with a bad back
A head case small forward who rather become a rapper than play ball
A center who has'nt played ball in 1 1/2 an we dont even know if he could run are jump yet.
With Luke walton
brian cook
an sasha
off the bench
I mean,I mean come on people lets use are heads before we type out bullsh*t, I mean really people COME ON COMEON
Posted by: COMPTON'S FINEST | May 14, 2007 at 11:37 AM
I think Gasol and Artest will be a good fit..
This is my scenario to get these two guys..
Kwame Brown + Brian Cook + 2nd rd pick for Pau Gasol..
Vlad + Sasha + 1st rd pick = Ron Artest
If this scene happen..we would be a good team again, given that Kobe, Lamar, Pau, and RonRon develop that chemistry especially Artest..
All these scenarios are successful on the trade machine.
Our lineup would be..
MLE PG
Kobe
Ron2
Lamar
Pau Gasol
Luke
Ronny
Jordan
Mo Evans
Bynum
*minimum salary FA*
*minimum salary FA*
Talk about building for the future..
Gasol has 5 years left on his contract
Kobe has 4
LO has 3
Ron has 3
And these guys are still like in their 26-29..
we can have championships for 3 years or more..
Let me hear from you fellow bloggers..
Brylle
Posted by: Brylle | May 14, 2007 at 11:38 AM
Brylle,
It would be awesome if Memphis and Sacto would make those trades, but I can't imagine they would. You need to make sure you're thinking enough about what the other teams are getting in return. That may not be your concern (after all, you're looking at things through a decidely purple and gold prism. haha), but it's an important part of the equation.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | May 14, 2007 at 11:41 AM
JJ,
I totally agree. I didn't mean that I think phil has lost his coaching touch. I don't think the Lakers could bring any other coach right now who would be more capable of winning a championship. Phil is the man when it comes to rings.
I was refering to his touch with crazy *ss players. Bringing rodman into chicago--phil was able to control him in part because of what you said in your post: that was a veteran filled roster. This is not. Our guys have horrible attitudes and poor work ethic.
I agree that we need to bring in some vets to fill in around our stars (kobe and LO) and our young guns (bynum, farmar turiaf) while simultaneously dumping our garbage (cook, vlad, smush, kwame--ie: no heart, no hustle, no respect).
good post JJ
Posted by: jandro | May 14, 2007 at 11:42 AM
jandro,
I love how you left out some crucial points to that whole sitaution as if they didn't exist. When Rodman left, the Lakers were not heading to a championship. They were heading to a defeat at the hands of the Spurs in the post season. Rodman left while the transition for coaches was heppening.....Harris to Rambis....to Phil.
Do you think he would have left if he had known Phil was coming in the fall? Come on man...THINK!
The problem is that people don't knw ahead of time what is coming next which is why you have to REALLY think before making moves. For instance, do you think MJ would have drafted Kwame over Boozer if he had known that this day was coming? Think about how many teams passed on Boozer? He has been an even better player than Battier who was better than him in college.
You just don't know.....for instance, IF the Lakers had known that they would have been able to get Phil when they did, I doubt that they would have traded away Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell. Think about the fact that a couple of years later, George was our backup small forward and Medvedenko was our backup center! Don't you think that they would have rather had Eddie and Elden as the backups????
The bottomline is tha you make the moves that make the most sense at the time.
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 11:43 AM
JJ,
If our starting center is Mark Blount, what improvement have we made on this roster. Mark blount is not postup kind of player, he hardly ever plays in the post, how would this benefit the lakers.
Jamal crawford is not a point guard, he is not a great defender and i dont think he will be a nice compliment to kobe in the backcourt.
The only improvement i see in this trade is at the SF position with Jared jefferies, he can use his long length to guard some of those perimeter guards. i think he fits well in the triangle offense.
My opinion is that if we are to go with such a trade, we will continue to struggle. We need a post presence and a good ball handler to be able to compete in the west and i doubt it if Jamal crawford and Mark Blount are the answers.
Posted by: A A LOS | May 14, 2007 at 11:44 AM
ComptonsFinest, " A 36 year-old pg with a bad back
A head case small forward who rather become a rapper than play ball
A center who has'nt played ball in 1 1/2 an we dont even know if he could "
Thanks Comp even though I liked that lineup REALITY SRIKES.
You got me spiting up my soda on the keyboard I'm laughing so hard. LOL
Posted by: Mamba24 | May 14, 2007 at 11:46 AM
AK,
but maybe you and BK can do something for the laker nation..
maybe give the Maloofs and whoever the new GM of memphis some hot girls and tell the girls to let the Maloofs and the grizz GM to call Kupchak for the trade while letting them smoke pit..lol
yea..i guess i'll give the 1st round pick to the grizz and i believe the 2 2nd round picks to the kings..
and let's be hopeful that the grizz gets oden or noah or horford..
Posted by: Brylle | May 14, 2007 at 11:46 AM
COMPTON'S FINEST,
I agree, but you don't have to worry. There is no way that the team could get both Artest and Kidd and still keep LO. Salaries won't match.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | May 14, 2007 at 11:46 AM
It's great to see a guy like T Woody back in here, bloggin again!
Mamba24... that guy Blackmamba24 used to post about two months ago, did he not?? I get confused with all these mamba handles. I can only read two: Mamba24 who's privately nicknamed mamba24 the great & mamba24 the legend. Then the other one mambaontheeast or some derivative thereof.
JJ, I don't blame management for Fisher or Horry. I think Horry's situation was tough, we sign Malone = instantly lose Horry. Robert wanted to go back to Texas anyway to be closer to his family. Wasn't his daughter (?) needing a lot of special attention back then?
It's hard NOT to blame management for one huge problem we have... tied hands financially and ZERO decent trade pieces. For example, Caron was a good trade piece, and in return we got trash that no one except MT wants. We signed Cookie to an extension, and from what I know, he took the first offer we put on the table... in negotiations this is known as oops. It means our first offer was too high (duh).
I give management props for drafting Farmar & Turiaf. I do like Bynum and I appreciate how management has put in the extra effort with him to make sure he develops (Kareem). If we had that level of engagement with ALL of our players, maybe we'd be in a different boat right now.
Posted by: Tim-4-Show | May 14, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Brylle,
Call me crazy, but I doubt the Maloofs, they of the Vegas-playboy mutli-millionaire lifestyle, need my help scoring babes. haha
The problem isn't which team gets which pick. It's the Lakers each team recieves. They're not nearly enough in exchange for Gasol or Artest.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | May 14, 2007 at 11:49 AM
3-Team Trade with Minnesota and New York
Minnesota offers: Kevin Garnett and Mark Blount
New York offers: Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffries, and Channing Frye
Los Angeles offers: Sasha Vujacic, Vladimir Radmanovic, Brian Cook, and Kwame Brown
Minnesota receives: Steve Francis, Sasha Vujacic, Channing Frye, Brian Cook, and Kwame Brown
New York receives: Kevin Garnett and Vladimir Radmanovic
Los Angeles receives: Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffries, and Mark Blount
Here is a 3-Team trade with New Jersey and Philadelphia.
New Jersey offers: Jason Kidd, Marcus Williams, and Nenad Krstic
Philadelphia offers: Andre Miller and Steven Hunter
Los Angeles offers: Sasha Vujacic, Vladimir Radmanovic, Brian Cook, Kwame Brown, and Andrew Bynum
New Jersey receives: Andre Miller, Sasha Vujacic, Vladimir Radmanovic and Andrew Bynum
Philadelphia receives: Marcus Williams, Brian Cook and Kwame Brown
Los Angeles receives: Jason Kidd, Nenad Krstic, and Steven Hunter
Here is a 3-Team trade with Indiana and Boston.
Pacers offer: Jermaine O’Neal and Danny Granger
Celtics offer: Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, and Theo Ratliff
Lakers offer: Sasha Vujacic, Vladimir Radmanovic, Brian Cook, and Kwame Brown
Pacers receive: Sebastian Telfair, Sasha Vujacic, Vladimir Radmanovic and Theo Ratliff
Celtics receive: Danny Granger, Brian Cook and Kwame Brown
Lakers receive: Al Jefferson and Jermaine O’Neal
Posted by: JJ | May 14, 2007 at 11:49 AM
put me on the Artest bandwagon. That would be a serious, serious lineup if Artest came in:
PG: new veteran/Farmar/another vet pickup? or small fast rookie?
SG: Kobe/Mo Evans/Sasha
SF: Artest/Walton as 6th man
PF: Odom/Turiaf/??? hopefully NOT Cook
C: Bynum/Mihm/hustling vet pickup
it would take a lot of the scoring load off Kobe and Odom could continue to do what he does best, a lot of dirty work and acting as #3 scorer. But... it's Sacramento... so to do a trade with them, even though Artest's value is low, we would probably have to sweeten the deal somehow maybe by offering Kwame and then doing a second trade with somebody else to get a lower 1st round pick? It would seem our #19 pick and Kwame would be too much. I don't know if they would be interested in Vlad Rad or not. Put the guy in the right offense and he could be dangerous but... do they want to go the Stojakovic route again? Which is basically what they would be doing.
Posted by: TaosHum | May 14, 2007 at 11:53 AM