Extra! Extra! (3.21)
Kobe Bryant isn't necessarily looking to become the first Laker since Elgin Baylor to score 50+ in three straight games... but should the need arise tomorrow evening in Memphis, he's certainly more than capable. But the Lakers would rather not get into the habit of needing him to score at unprecedented levels just to get a W. That ain't healthy. Speaking of which (nice segue!), Brian Cook's ankle still isn't right, and he won't play Thursday. And regarding Andrew Bynum's unhealthy (in that 19 year-old way) outburst on the bench Sunday night, Kurt Rambis said yesterday that it's been talked out, and all is forgiven.
Clearly the Lakers are a better team when Brown, Odom, and Walton (how's that for a law firm?) are available. Not that it's happened all that much this year.
In playoff news, Denver's 94-90 win in New Jersey puts them back in front of the Lakers for the six spot. Granted, it's only by percentage points, but the two games-in-hand the Nuggets hold on L.A. give them an advantage in the race for the higher seed. Perhaps that's why some think the Lakers will end up seventh, but Denver's tougher schedule shouldn't be ignored. Neither should team D, says John Ireland.
The Lakers modest streak gave them a bump in this week's SI.com Power Rankings.
It's not Lakers-specific news, but here's an interesting column about Michael Jordan and the potentially unfair advantage he gains as a Bobcats exec through his schools and camps.

Mybe they should require all the players to wear ankle wraps , the way the big time college fotbal programs are starting to make all offensive lineman wear knee braces. Cmon, i've never seen so many bad ankle sprains on one team in one season.......I've had a bad ankle sprain before, and my ankle will never be the same again.....it's been almost 2 years now, and I'm just now thinking it's back to he point where I could jump like I used to......
Posted by: wondahbap | March 21, 2007 at 09:24 AM
korey(from previous thread), i know sasha is clutch because he has hit BIG shots in his career in few opportunities. Here is only what i remember:
-1. sasha threw away an inbounds pass with the game a couple weeks ago
1. In overtime with 20 sec left w/ kobe fouled out, sasha hit a huge 3 to give the lakers the lead...lake show won
2. sasha shot 60% (9-15) from 3 in the only playoff series he's been in...they lost the series.
3. he hit a 3 against the mavs with 20? seconds left to give the lakers the win...they won
so sasha is +2 in clutch situation of what i can remember. yeah is is probably the(or one of the) most inconsistent players in the league, but no way he's the worst, or near that. in fact, his foot speed is quick, i dont know what you're talking about, he pisses off the quickest opposing pg in the league (AI, nash, biby) while draping all over them.
well we have our different opinions, so thats cool...just defenden my boy
Posted by: greek dude | March 21, 2007 at 09:28 AM
i been hearing so many negatives about kobes latest scoring spree, its really annoying. if ray allen, "hibachi", AI, or any other superstar goes off for 50 pts in a game. everyone praises their remarkable performance, even if the team loses the game. kobe's latest scoring spree got us out of slump and we finally won 2 games after like 2 weeks and ppl r calling him a bad leader and even a worse team-player. ppl need to realise that he shot over 50% from the field, 3pt line and over 80% from ft line and not to mention he averaged less than 3to in both games. he didn't force the issue, he saved both games for us.
i know most ppl r ignorant and dats why they hate the lakers and kobe for no reason. if someone else besides kobe goes off for a big nite, ppl call em heroes, if kobe goes off for a big night, hes a ball hog and the worst human being. ppl shouldn't be hypocrite. not everyone is capable of having those kind of nights and delivering wins, so the man some props that actually delivers permances and wins like dat.
i've also read some dumb comments...actually the dumbest. some ppl actually suggest that we should trade kobe for ray allen and rashard. im not really good with stats but the last time i checked they're both on the same team and their team is playing worse than the lakers. their team is nowhere close to being a .500. you ppl really think they will make the lakers better? think about it before posting stuff like dat.
Posted by: Sarb | March 21, 2007 at 09:48 AM
greek dude,
hey, if you really have that much love for Sasha then so be it..
He needs some support from somewhere...
But dude, you point out 2 instances in 3 years that he was "clutch"...
And totally forget about the countless fouls at midcourt, countless # of mindless shots, etc. etc...
NO doubt the guy can shoot, but basketball is more then being able to shoot is knowing when to shoot. For some reason, Sasha cant graps what is a good shot or not. He has a gunner's mentality for someone with a "gun".
How can someone with so much "clutchness" not ever get over the hump of playing better than practice then in games?
I cant believe you say Sasha has good foot speed. wow.
But you know what? I'm off it. You win.
I'd rather debate the differences between Kobe & MJ then talk about why Sasha Vujacic is an OK player or not.
Posted by: Korey | March 21, 2007 at 10:07 AM
Everyone needs to realize that fans across the country (Lakers fans not included) are tired of hearing about a guy that's not on their team. They want a guy that can drop 65 for them. Any one of the so called "Kobe haters" would become a fan in a second if Kobe were traded to their team. There are a ton of teams out there who never go to the playoffs and even more that never win championships. How would you feel if your team was the victim of a Laker thrashing every time they face our team in the playoffs. Of course you would hate Kobe and of course you despise the Lakers.
Posted by: DR | March 21, 2007 at 10:15 AM
korey, cool, mj drove to the basket more and had better defense, while kobe has a better j with better range and both are ok. but if i have to have them or sasha in the clutch, i pick sasha, becasue although he cant create a shot for himself, he is clutch, and he can shoot ft better than both of them.
Posted by: greek dude | March 21, 2007 at 10:16 AM
Sarb,
Good point. Not only are they on the same team this year, but also last year, etc. The Sonics have some good talent as well, but yet, they cannot win. Hmmmmm, maybe winning in the NBA is harder than people think.
I've got an idea for all of those calling for J Buss to cash out his only real player asset...
There's a team that has a bunch of talent year in and year out, no one hogs the ball, they have real leadership that way... and best of all, you can still cheer for them in the city of LA.
So go root for the Clips and let us Lakers fans talk amongst ourselves.
Greekboy,
There's no doubt Sasha can hit. His play is sporadic at best... but his throwing away an inbounds pass verses the other two would mean he's only +1 (-1,+1,+1). He's got potential, but come on... I want to see it!
Go Lakes!
PS, I would NOT call Ray Allen a "superstar", he's a very good player. Maybe my definition of superstar is skewed by images of Magic, MJ, Bird, Dr J, Shaq, Kobe... You need to be a star amongst the stars, and Ray Allen is not that.
Posted by: Tim | March 21, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Greek,
"but if i have to have them or sasha in the clutch, i pick sasha,"
You can't be serious! Sasha is slightly better on free throws, but he is not more "clutch"!!
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 21, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Props to Kevin Ding, dude hit a stat even the blog hasn't covered. 16-7 with the IR squad in the game. It ain't easy to scoop the blog. Telling numbers.
That article should be pasted on Mitch's wall, near the phone, over the summer.
The ability to make it through an NBA season with little or no game missing physical damage has to be an owner's favorite stat. Kobe might not be quite as durable as Mike but he does heal fast and would play with one arm if they'd let him.
The question: are the Laker injuries bad luck or a trend? How many seasons makes a trend?
Posted by: Vman | March 21, 2007 at 10:24 AM
tim, well, if you count the phoenix series, he's +2, not like it makes much difference. and korey, he's only had 2 game winners in 3 years, cause he hasnt had the oppurtunity. whatever. i'll wait when sasha breaks out...i'll probably be waiting for a while.
Posted by: greek dude | March 21, 2007 at 10:26 AM
KWAME BROWN
OK, in the last game against the Timberwolves, Kwame Brown dropped a couple of passes. I wanted to talk about that but I was too tired to write it down. But today is a new day so here it goes.
There was on pass where Smush Parker was in the lane and it looked like he was going for a lay-up then all of sudden whips a pass to Kwame that went right through his hands. I, myself, think that was a bad pass. First, Parker looked like he was going up. Second, he then whips a pass to Brown from about 2 feet and the ball is traveling way too fast for a pass from that short of a distance.
This brings me up to my point. I’ve been watching this type of stuff for over a year now. I believe I know the problem. It’s simple. Whenever a player is going for what seems to be a shot and then all of sudden passes the ball to Brown and Brown misses the pass it’s because Kwame isn’t getting in that position to receive a pass. It’s because he positioning himself for a rebound. He’s anticipating a shot from his teammate. Think about it. If Kwame was going there anticipating a pass…he would miss the pass. But if he’s anticipating a shot, well, he positioning himself for a rebound.
The thing for the Lakers’ players to do is to JUST SHOOT THE DAMN BALL! Quit trying to pass it to Kwame from such a short distant. Just shoot the ball and let Kwame clean it up if the ball doesn’t go into the basket.
What surprises me is how stupid PJ and his coaching staff are to not realize that this is the problem. I think this is exactly why Kwame misses those short passes. In a way, it’s kind of funny. I think Kwame got fed up with those type of passes from Parker because right after he missed on one of those passes, Kwame received an entry pass from Lamar. Kwame was in position, he went up as if to shoot the ball then all of sudden whipped a pass to Parker that went right through Parkers hands. The pass was way too fast. Parker wasn’t ready for it and it went out of bounds. Why should Parker have been ready for that pass? It looked like Kwame was going to shoot the ball. I think Kwame did that on purpose just to let Parker know how it feels to have a pass shot at you when it clearly looks like the player is going up to the rim with a shot. Plain and simple, the playoffs are coming and it’s time for the Lakers players to JUST SHOOT THE DAMN BALL and let Kwame clean it up if it doesn’t go in. QUIT MAKING THOSE STUPID PASSES FROM SUCH A SHORT DISTANCE.
Next, there was a pass from Smush Parker into Kwame. This time Kwame had sealed his man. Parker made a perfect pass but Kwame let it get by him. That was Kwame’s fault. FSN showed a replay of the sequence. The replay clearly shows the ball arriving at Kwame’s right hand but at the moment the ball makes contact with his hand the replay shows Kwame looking up to the basket. That’s why he missed the pass. It’s not that he can’t catch the ball. It’s that he looks away from the ball too soon. Check out the FSN replay of the game and you can see it clearly. Why PJ and his coaching staff have not caught this stuff is beyond me.
With Kwame’s strength, he can have a lot of opportunities to seal his man for baskets. In the playoffs the Lakers are going to need Kwame to complete that play to keep opposing teams honest against Kobe and the rest of the players.
For the next few games Lamar Odom or Kobe Bryant should pass the ball to Kwame when he seals his man. We have to develop that play. Kwame, when he seals his man has got to understand that the man is SEALED! Kwame has perfect position to catch the ball if he doesn't rush (keeping his eye on the ball until it's secured). There’s no need to look to the basket before the ball is completely secure in his hands. The reason why Kwame rushes is because he thinks he’s going to get blocked or something. The opponent is SEALED! The rim is to be used for protection against the opponent’s arm. Why isn’t anyone teaching this kid this stuff? That’s part of Kwame’s problem, too. He hasn’t had anyone mentor him. I mean, from what I’ve read, the big men he had mentoring him were scrubs in Washington. It wasn’t Jordan it was some scrub. Here in Los Angeles he has to work with Rambis and others. Give me a break! Kurt Rambis? I know Kareem can't really mentor him because Kareem was pure finesse.
These other players weren’t offensive players. Give me Kwame Brown and I will turn him into a monster on both the defensive and offensive end of the game. I guarantee you that. And I’m only 5’11. I’ll tell you this: Kwame Brown is just a few tweaks away from being a solid contributor on the offensive end. A couple of simple adjustments and he’s good to go. They’re so simple I have to put the blame on PJ and his coaching staff. It seems that PJ method of addressing issues is to make fun of Brown in the press. Well, here we are almost at the end of Kwame’s 2nd year in Los Angeles and he’s still doing the same things I just described. Why can’t PJ and his staff fix these simple things? Is it because PJ doesn’t know how to develop young players?
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | March 21, 2007 at 10:31 AM
There’s a marked difference between the way we play now as opposed to days ago…and I don’t just mean Kobe dominating.
Our defense has this perennial tendency to jump start their defense with their offense. 81 was such a case…a game in which Kobe’s offense, hot shooting, propelled our otherwise stagnant and sucky defense to mediocrity. Kobe hits consecutive 3s and boom…defense starts picking it up.
And while I think you can never rule out a Kobe Bryant led, PJ led team…I do think that if there was one thing that “holds us back” from real contention…it’s our defense. Defense should never be jump started by offense, like the old adage says, offense can become stagnant but defense never should. You should always talk, rotate, put forth the effort, and fight…that’s defense. When we do find a way to play consistent, effortful defense, I think we’d be (somewhat) unstoppable.
P.S. Being healthy would help too lol.
Posted by: Faith | March 21, 2007 at 10:35 AM
exheldvr, dude i was joking. mj, kobe are the best ever, sasha has hit 2 "game-winners" . Not even i, the sasha lover, can excrete such blasphemy.
Posted by: greek dude | March 21, 2007 at 10:37 AM
Ok, after listening to the Kobe Defenders (i.e., vs Lakers team fans) say "Well, WHO would we trade him for, people who want to trade Kobe?", I decided to do some research and come up with some answers for them. Last night I posted the first of those possible answers. To no one's surprise, the people who claimed they were looking for realistic trade proposals reacted with immaturity, curses, and bestiality jokes, among other lows. True Lakers fans, they. But I can't really blame them - if I were the one bringing a pop gun to a shootout, I might resort to similar, contemptible tactics.
Anyway, to recap:
Trade possibility #1 -
1) Kobe Bryant: 30.0/5.7/5.5 (41.2)
2007/8 salary: apprx. 19.5 MM
for
1) Kirk Hinrich: 16.3/3.5/6.0 (25.8)
2007/8 salary ----- 11.0 MM
2) Luol Deng: 18.7/6.9/2.4 (28.0)
2007/8 salary ------ 3.3 MM
3) Tyrus Thomas: 4.6/3.3/0.5 (8.4)
2007/8 salary ------ 3.5 MM
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Totals: 19.5 MM vs. 17.8 MM
ppg/rpg/apg - (41.2) vs. (62.4)
Upside: - All three Bulls players have 3 years or
less in the league; youth vs age
- Fills need at PG, SG, PF for years to
come and compliments Bynum. Set at
4 positions for the long-term future
- Versatility, as Deng can play SG/SF
- Increased ppg/rpg/apg (+20) for the $$
Downside: - No stars in return for superstar
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In looking at various deal possibilities, this was one of the most attractive, given our needs. Many 'Kobe Guys' have often said "Who would you trade him for?" The answer is no one, straight-up, which is why you get a PACKAGE of players for him.
There are 6-7 teams that have the talent/contracts to make a Kobe deal workable, from a Lakers perspective. As time allows, I'll post those possibilities here, in the same format as the Kobe/Bulls possible trade above.
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One of the 'Kobe Guys' also brought up the 1990's and the Lakers, asking if I were aware of the Lakers' sorry record during that time. Yep, sure am. Let's take a look:
1990-91 NBA 58-24 2nd, Pacific Division Lost NBA Finals
1991-92 NBA 43-39 6th, Pacific Division Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1992-93 NBA 39-43 5th, Pacific Division Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1993-94 NBA 33-49 5th, Pacific Division
1994-95 NBA 48-34 3rd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Semis
1995-96 NBA 53-29 2nd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf 1st Rd
1996-97 NBA 56-26 2nd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Semis
1997-98 NBA 61-21 1st, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Finals
1998-99 NBA 31-19 2nd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Semis
1999-00 NBA 67-15 1st, Pacific Division Won NBA Finals
Missed the playoffs once ('93-'94), out in the first round 3 times. All other years ended better than that.
Lakers fans can all pretty much agree that the decade of the 1990's were lean years.
Well in THREE YEARS under Kobe, we've already matched that DECADE of futility by missing the playoffs once. And barring a first round series against the Jazz, this will be the 2nd year with Kobe as #1 that we're out in the first round (against the Jazz we could get to round 2).
In other words, we're back in the 1990's with Kobe as our 'leader.' Or should I say, AT BEST we're back in the 1990's. I already lived that era once, I'm not looking to reliving it. Thank you, 'Kobe Guy,' for getting me to look this up and help buttress my point.
With Kobe as #1, we are experiencing our worst stretch as a franchise since the lowest of the woebegone 1990's.
If that doesn't suggest a change is needed, I'm not sure what does.
Someone else suggested if I dislike Kobe so much, perhaps I should switch allegiances to a different team.
Not on your life.
I'm not letting one bad seed ruin the harvest. I love my team, and I will continue to love them even during these dark days. I remember Magic's 'Baby Hook' against the Celtics, remember 'Showtime,' remember Shaq's dominance. I miss those days.
Just because management picked the wrong guy doesn't mean that I'm giving up on my team. Even if it means enduring more taunts from friends about Kobe quitting in series-deciding playoff games, or Kobe having to buy his wife 'makeup rings,' or about Kobe the Ballhog, I'm a Lakers fan through and through.
There's no way one guy is taking that away from me.
But it's time to get back to winning, to contending. Enough of this middling garbage. Buss, Kup, etc., I'm sure you're reading this (or your people are reading it for you). You're businessmen - you take risks. You took a shot with Kobe and you lost. No shame there, sometimes it happens, even to the best of the best, as the Lakers franchise is.
But it's time to move on. The team is headed nowhere, and fans like myself are weary of the mediocrity and petulance now associated with the squad.
The Mamba had his shot. This Lakers fan now awaits the arrival of the anti-venom.
Posted by: fakerz | March 21, 2007 at 10:40 AM
Greek dude,
what are you smoking? Sasha' more clutch then MJ and Kobe? Seriously, what are you smoking?
Posted by: wondahbap | March 21, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Sarb, spell checker, please!
Posted by: gugy | March 21, 2007 at 10:42 AM
On the other hand, there are people out there that actually respect Kobe. Check out the comments on this FreeDarko blog post:
http://freedarko.blogspot.com/2007/03/while-brian-butch-slept-before-curfew.html#comments
Posted by: DR | March 21, 2007 at 10:47 AM
Another very interesting article everyone should read:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jack_mccallum/03/20/choosing.sides.kobe/index.html
Posted by: DR | March 21, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Michael Teniente,
That is BS. Kwame is professional basketball player. Be ready to catch the ball at all times. He fumbles the ball way too much to blame the passer on a "bad" pass. Kwame gets no benefit of the doubt, beacuse he mishandles passes w/ regularity, and also rushes shots. Anyone who plays basketball knows they should always remain ready to receive the ball. If what you want o hppens does everytime, then whay bother playing kwame when a player drives to the hoop? Maybe Kwame can sit down and smoke something with Greek Dude, and settle down a bit. I think he is valuable to this team , and feel he can eventualy turn into a reliable player, but he needs to fix that problem, and to tell you the truth, I don;t think it can be fixed. It's one of those, you either got it or you don't basketball skills. Clearly, kwame doesn't have it. even on bunnies, he gets a pass where he ends up being able to dunk the bll, and you can clearly ee that he is hesitant, ready to throw up a osft shot as a defender jmps by, before he realizes he's in position to dunk it freely.
Posted by: wondahbap | March 21, 2007 at 11:03 AM
Actually Mike T,
We figured it out a long time ago. Kwame has no hands and is an average NBA player.
Oh and he is the savior for these L.A Lakers and is responsible for their latest 2 game winning streak.
zen
Posted by: zen | March 21, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Phil and his caoching staff are too stupid to realize what Kwame's problem is? Are you going to go back and change all the "thumb's up" grades?
Kwame getting into position for a rebound? Since when?
The problem with Kame is that he has slow reactions. Some people just can't react quickly enough to be catch a pass like that. Just like some people have quick feet, and some don't. The slow reaction can appear to be "bad hands," but the two aren't the same thing. At times they display similar symptoms, though.
Of course, the issue could be "basketball IQ". As in, after all these years, he still doesn't realize that someone might pass him the ball when they are driving towards the basket.
But "positioning for a rebound"? Please!!
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 21, 2007 at 11:05 AM
Michael Thompson says we are going to the finals this year. It must be that new Oxygen water he's drinking.
Posted by: zen | March 21, 2007 at 11:06 AM
greek dude,
quit the useless, pointless debates about sasha. it's obvious you are just trying to get under people's skin. and it seems to be working.
sasha is a dime a dozen in the developmental league.
end of conversation.
no stats could make me think otherwise.
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moving on, i hope the lakers can win both of their next 2 games. roadie, back to back versus the hornets and grizzlies.
with the month of march closely ever so quickly, it is time for the lakers to adopt the habit of winning consistently.
if they can do this, it can have a carry over effect come playoff time.
the lakers will have to be hitting on all cylinders come playoff time to make more than just noise.
c'mon lake show!
Posted by: tha show | March 21, 2007 at 11:16 AM
Mike T,
Kwame has been in the league for over five years, at a certain point he is responsible for learning the basics of the game. Blame PJ and the coaching staff all you want, but simple techniques like being ready for an entry pass and catching the ball are not something an NBA coaching staff should be dealing with.
And another thing, the majority of Kwame's baskets on this squad are going to come from put backs and dish-offs when other players create easy shots around the basket for him. That being said, it's his responsibility to be ready for a pass at any time from a teammate, even at close range around the basket. AND, its not the most difficult thing in the world to be aware of the ball and the possibility of receiving a pass at the same time getting into a position to get a rebound. It's his job to make that happen.
Maybe his disappointingly low rebound averages have something to do with the fact that he can't multi-task.
Posted by: Andrew Z | March 21, 2007 at 11:29 AM
fakerz,
so in the 90's, we missed the playoffs once.
under the kobe era, we have missed the playoffs once.
same difference.
i realize it's only been 3 years under the kobe era, however with this core of players - they will continue to make the playoffs every season.
this core of players will even make the playoffs this season despite all of the injuries.
and that hypothetical kobe - bulls trade is SIMPLY A REPEAT OF THE HORRIFIC SHAQ TRADE.
we got ripped off once, why would we do it again?
c'mon now...
Posted by: tha show | March 21, 2007 at 11:39 AM
ey fakerz, good luck with that. let me know what Buss and Kupchak say. Hopefully, we can get at least a 2nd round draft pick and a pop tart for kobe. I mean, if he's as bad as you say, we should just take the hit and get rid of the dude. Plus no other team probably wants him since obviously, based on your stats, he's a loser. Anyone got any projections for the second round? What exactly could we get for Kobe??
Posted by: hahah | March 21, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Fakerz, well said. I respect your balls for coming on here and speaking the truth. There are many of us out here, lurking, who agree with you. Don't let the "groupthink" of this blog fool you. There are many intelligent, TRUE Laker fans out there who see Kobe for what he is: an arrogant punk, who is completely self absorbed with equaling MJ's scoring records...nothing more, nothing less. Please Lakers, TRADE KOBE before it's too late! I don't care to whom, but let's end this misery and start rebuilding with a REAL leader!
Posted by: Tim | March 21, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Fakerz....
Get a clue. I cannot understand the logic or reasoning in you trade possiblities of one the top 3 greatest players ever for Luol deng, Kirk Heinrich and Tyrus Thomas. Are you just a Phoenix fan getting your kicks spewing this nonsense? Because it lacks common sense. Stp bringing up what happened off the court. We're talking about basketball, and neither you nor your alter ego, Judith, have explained exactly who could make this team perform any better than it has with Kobe. And all that Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis for Kobe? Why would any GM trade Kobe for 2 guys who are on a team that sucks with both of them already. Also, the Bulls have been on the verge of breaking out for the past 3 years. You claim all this team will ever do is lose in the first round.....but they were just too inexperienced to bring it in game 7 last year. they had a legitmate shot to make the conference finals. You wonder why we question your basketball IQ,. It's beacuse you clearly lack a sensible thought or reason for your claims. This team has improved every year the past 3 years, record wise and most importantly in play, with mostly 2nd rounders and undrafted free agents. Think about the venom you spew before you make these claims.
Posted by: wondahbap | March 21, 2007 at 11:50 AM
Kwame vs Smush
Kwame does a way better job in his position then Smush. Smush is the worst starter that we have without any doubt. But he did have a good last game. We can do without Smush Parker this year, but we can't go anywhere if Kwame goes down again.
Posted by: Zakee | March 21, 2007 at 11:52 AM
fakerz,
If you were a true Laker fan you wouldn't call yourself such a derogatory name like fakerz. Anyone with that name sounds like a hater to me.
I also disagree with your assessment of the Lakers and Kobe. Kobe's play is what is most compelling about the Lakers, and his play is what is going to lift the Lakers to a championship level once the talent is right.
You're telling me you're going to give up Kobe for Hinrich?Deng?Tyrus? That would be idiotic! Kobe has more basketball talent than all of those guys combined. Kobe has proven to be the best player in the league 5 years ago, he's now entering his prime, and you want to get rid of him for Hinrich, Deng, and Tyrus Thomas??? That's nuts.
It's almost playoff time. It's time to weed out the real from the fake. I'm looking for the Lakers to make a little run here in preparation for playoffs.
Posted by: Rocky | March 21, 2007 at 11:54 AM
There has never been an championship contender without a solid cast. Heck, Shaq even with a DEEP cast around him couldn't lead us to the finals until Kobe developed into the 1A option that he was and Phil guided and motivated them.
It is not fair to put a "three year limit" on Kobe while we have been rebuilding for couple years now. Did Kobe have a deep cast that Shaq was gifted with when he came to lakers? We saw this team have success this season and challenge and win against the top teams when they were healthy. It is not the time to "give up" on Kobe, unless of course a person like you who has had a dislike for him that you don't want to consider the personnel situation around him.
Lakers will get some cap space in couple years when a lot of the salaries come of the books. That would be the time for the lakers to find the second all-star that any successful team requires. If after that, Kobe doesn't lead the team deep into the playoffs and the finals, THEN it may be the time to let Kobe go.
People often don't notice that unlike many other stars with a successful team, Kobe doesn't have another all-star or former all-star playing with him. Kobe doesn't need a superstar, just give him one all-star at least. Lamar was supposed to be that this year and he was on track until the injury.
Lakers did not pick the wrong guy. If you wanted Shaq for only 30-35 games, i.e college season, using Shaq's words, the lakers would have been out of the playoff race in the WEST long before Shaq would return to the team. Let's not forget that with Shaq's contract alone, we had nothing to bring in players to the team. Only veteran minimums and MLE. With that, you cannot build the cast enough to have a successful team as it is common knowledge that Shaq would miss many games during the season with his body wearing down. This is a simple concept, yet many fail to understand.
Posted by: Lakerfan | March 21, 2007 at 12:00 PM
Did anyone catch the article that TJ Simers wrote about Kobe today? Wow, he called himself a "Kobe lover". Very interesting. Whether that's the case or not, it was a good article. I have been trying to tell people for a while that Kobe would be more well-received if he showed his true personality. He constantly has these scripted answers for everything. Always telling people what they want to hear. Be yourself and you will receive more respect. And be a man when facing controversy. Michael Jordan did it, and so can he.
Ballhog? "Damn right, we need it."
Selfish? "Call me what you want, I just want to win."
Dirty player? "I will not be labeled by the league."
Posted by: DR | March 21, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Hey, on another topic, did anyone here listen to either yesterday or today's "Simers/Rogan" show on 570AM? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was a "guest" yesterday, and T.J. Simers, along with his know-nothing daughter, basically spat all over him, along with his legacy as the greatest player in the history of Los Angeles basketball (both at UCLA and as a Laker). The total disrespect they paid him crossed the border from boorish to absolute cruelty. Kareem tried desperately to be as restrained as possible, and after the debacle, he asked to come on today and clear the air. Instead, it gave the Simers' another excuse to attack him again, and the segment was even worse than the first. There is no excuse for such treatment, especially of a legend like Kareem. T.J. admitted he could care less about sports history and only views it as entertainment, and Tracy Simers also stated that she 'lacked knowledge' of Kareem's career. Fred Rogan tried to keep things on an even keel, but T.J. refused to act like a professional. Again, the segment ended with an air of animosity, and for me, abject disgust.
I will be writing and calling management at both 570AM, the LA Times, and the Los Angeles Lakers to discuss this issue. I feel that both the radio station, anybody involved with the production of the 'Simers/Rogan' show and especially T.J. Simers owe both Kareem and the Los Angeles basketball community an enormous apology. There is no excuse for treating a member of the Los Angeles sports pantheon with such disrespect; as for me, I will never listen to the show or read another T.J. Simers column as long as I live. I highly recommend that anybody who calls themselves a Lakers fan do the same.
Posted by: Tully Moxnesst | March 21, 2007 at 12:01 PM
M T,
Your latest post is one of those "gifts that keep on giving"!!
"Kwame Brown is just a few tweaks away from being a solid contributor on the offensive end. A couple of simple adjustments and he’s good to go"
Let's see now, which is more likely:
1) That Phil Jackson, Tex WInters, Frank Hamblen, Kurt Rambis, Brian Shaw, and Mitch Kupchak, with a combined (estimating here) 170 years of coaching, 28 (?) rings as coaches, 7 (?) rings as players, (and this is not including Kareem, who has been available for Kwame to work with), all missed the very simple "tweaks" that Kwame needs
or
2) That they have been working extensively with Kwame, and that there is some combination of him "just not getting it" from a "basketball IQ" perspective and him lacking the physical tools (i.e. "hands", reaction time) to be able to improve.
Oh, yeah. MJ and Eddie Jordan also missed out on Kwame needing just a "few tweaks." Odd,, since you'd think they would be looking for that type of thing with someone right out of high school.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | March 21, 2007 at 12:03 PM
I'm with you fakerz. Everybody is waiting for Bynum to gel into a superstar for what? To have a dynamic duo of big (Bynum) with small (Kobe)? That would get us titles, but wait, we had that already in Shaq / Kobe and Kobe couldn't handle it. He ran Shaq out of town. We already saw him abuse Bynum in public last Sunday night. He must have been reading the blogs that state the Bynum is the Lakers future. He won't be able to handle having another superstar on the team. This is his team right now, and that's the way he likes it. It doesn't matter that we are mediocre at best. Trade him now would be my vote as well.
Posted by: lfan | March 21, 2007 at 12:07 PM
Laker Fan, great comments. The reason Kobe doesn't have an all star around him is because:
1) No existing all stars want to play with another player as self centered and demanding of his own personal glory as Kobe, and
2) Kobe has not been able to develop his supporting cast into all stars because he shoots too much and does not facilitate their success. Kobe just scowls and berates and is a very negative individual. A terrible leader.
Other great players would have been able to develop some of these current Lakers into all stars or pretty darn close by now.
Posted by: BigLakerFan | March 21, 2007 at 12:08 PM
fakerz & Tim,
right on, let's trade our best player (our only all-star player too).
THAT will get us where we wanna go.
yeah let's get a youth movement going with lamar odom as the center piece.
so you guys would rather start from scratch by trading kobe by any means instead of adding the one piece we need (a kevin garnett or jermaine o'neal) and being RIGHT BACK IN THE TITLE RACE?
do you read your posts before submitting them?
because they make zero sense, whether you are a kobe fan or not.
sounds like you guys want to rebuild just for the sake of rebuilding. or maybe just because you hate kobe, our best player by far.
as i wrote several days ago, there are only 2 players you could trade kobe for and not feel completely ripped off (wade and lebron). and i highly doubt kobe would reunite with shaq on south beach, and lebron looks to be a cavalier for life.
Posted by: tha show | March 21, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Fakerz/ALL,
Posting again on this thread since fakerz brought his march madness here as well ...
I think most KOBE fans should really give thought to what Fakerz is saying. Like the AI deal that left denver, philly, AI and even the league better off, this could be a good thing. Kobe is in his prime, but the lakers don't have the resources to get the right pieces around him. Why not trade him now and build around Bynum. So long as Kobe ain't shipped off to the boon docks I'm for it, in the last scenario painted by fakerz kobe would still have nocioni, gordon, wallace as a core supporting cast.
This is my order of preference:
1. Kobe wins championship in a Laker Jersey
2. Kobe wins championship in another jersey
3. Kobe retires a laker without a championship
4. Lakers win championship without Kobe
A laker fan might have this order:
1. Kobe wins championship in a Laker Jersey
2. Lakers win championship without Kobe
3. Kobe retires a laker without a championship
4. Kobe wins championship in another jersey
Right now we're stuck on preference 3 in either context. I think what fakerz is saying is if we stay the course "1" is nothing but a dream but that a trade can be made to make the next best thing attainable in both contexts ( in an ideal world we'd alternate kobe and his new team winning one year, the lakers the next ). So before you throw him under the bus you should have a strong argument for 1 ... e.g. if we're healthy we're there already or you have faith kupchak will sell even his own mama to get garnett in a laker jersey within the next two years.
Go Kobe, Go Lakers.
Posted by: Taliq | March 21, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Just to clear things up... I did reference Simers' article today in this blog, but I still believe he is a hypocritical jerk off who will do anything to make a buck.
Thanks, that's all I had to say.
Posted by: DR | March 21, 2007 at 12:14 PM
Let's see...
If I recall the rosters, off the top of my head... (correct me if I'm wrong)
1990-91 NBA 58-24 2nd, Pacific Division Lost NBA Finals (Magic/Worthy/Perkins/Divac)
1991-92 NBA 43-39 6th, Pacific Division Lost West Conf 1st Rd (worthy/threatt/Christie)
1992-93 NBA 39-43 5th, Pacific Division Lost West Conf 1st Rd (worthy/threatt)
1993-94 NBA 33-49 5th, Pacific Division (drafted Eddie)
1994-95 NBA 48-34 3rd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Semis (Van Excel/Jones/Ceballos/Campbell/Divac)
1995-96 NBA 53-29 2nd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf 1st Rd
(Magic/Van Excel/Ceballos/Jones/Campbell/Divac)
1996-97 NBA 56-26 2nd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Semis
(Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Excel/Campbell)
1997-98 NBA 61-21 1st, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Finals
(Shaq/Kobe/Jones/Van Excel)
1998-99 NBA 31-19 2nd, Pacific Division Lost West Conf Semis
(Shaq/Kobe/Rice)
1999-00 NBA 67-15 1st, Pacific Division Won NBA Finals
(PJ era: Shaq/Kobe/Rice)
The year the Lakers did not win the title, we had no superstar, so perhaps it's fair to say that we should at least make the playoffs with Kobe. There was significant problems that year as Rudy quit, the players were all new to the team... and the rest of the 90s, we had players who were all-star caliber at one point.
There really was only a few years where we really didn't have anything. Even when we had Shaq, it took PJ to come aboard to get us to win.
Our team most closely resembles the Magic post retirement Lakers than at any other point... we've got one hall of famer (at that time it was worthy) and a bunch of scrubs. We never got past the first round with that squad, maybe we should have traded Worthy.
It also took several years to go anywhere WITH Shaq... maybe we should have traded him sooner too.
Posted by: Tim | March 21, 2007 at 12:15 PM
fakerz,
you can't blame everything on Kobe.
He's the best player of the NBA.
We need to get him help. Jordan had help (pipen and others) they what Kobe have now? Odom? please!
KG next season and you will see another ring coming up. KOBE is untouchable.
Posted by: gugy | March 21, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Simers is a hack.. and his employers allow this behavior because they would rather focus on the attention he is getting, good or bad.
Posted by: Lakerfan | March 21, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Crap! I thought I took the trash out yesterday..and it's back today....
FAKER!
What? Didn't have the b@ll$ to answer the questions I asked you?
So you calculate a player's worth by adding their points, rebounds and assists? Well, then here's a news flash - Jalen Rose is available!! And don't forget Sharif Abdur Rahim.You proved your "intelligence" right there...
So this squad with Bynum will win us a championship...RIGHT!! When that happens you can eat bacon with the pigs that start flying out of your @$$.
Why don't you trade the three of them to Minny for KG? Oh, wait a minute..they tried? And Minny said they were not interested? I wonder why...BUMMER!!
Posted by: hariyahu | March 21, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Why some of y all keeping saying trade kobe. Was y all saying these things when the lakers had a great start of the season. If a team lose their second and third leading scorer's they are going to struggle. Could Jordan still win games or championships without scottie pippen and horace grant? Is this not the youngest team in the NBA? I can guarantee that if we never had these injuries this will be a possible 60 win season for the lakers. The trade Kobe thing is silly right now!
Posted by: JERMAINE THE KOBE FAN | March 21, 2007 at 12:20 PM
I will never read a Simers article ever again! K-bros, can you make sure to never, ever link to his stuff? I don't want to accidently give him more hits.
What a jerk.
Say what you can about KAJ, but I've only seen him as a statesman, leader, and the greatest center to ever play the game. (with Wilt a close second).
Posted by: Tim | March 21, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Gotta put my words to good use...
Kobe for Ray and Rashard Lewis
If R Allen and R Lewis are so valuable, why can't they win some games and get their team to be at least in playoff... Their division is the weakest.... So, there goes your proposal, Faker
As for Kirk and others from Bulls, pretty much the same.. Let us see how far they go in the weak Eastern Conf.
The information you provided leading upto the last championship shows that it took FIVE years before Lakers won one in 2000... You yourself mentioned it has been 3 years with Kobe... So, are you that dumb and stupid to see that you are contradicting your own statements? Come on,,,, GM are dreaming of getting a player like KB and you a nobody wants to trade him... Go get a life... Jerry Buss earned his money through hard life and he will make the decisions for his team. If you do not like it, take a dive to the other team down the hall.....
Oh, there is so much but like they say, does a pig know the value of gold???
Posted by: JP | March 21, 2007 at 12:28 PM
"1) No existing all stars want to play with another player as self centered and demanding of his own personal glory as Kobe"
That is not true when there have been players who said they would love to play with a competitor like Kobe, including KG.
And, please, all-stars want $$ and we won't have that space till two years from now. If players don't come then, THEN you can make that claim. Be reasonable.
"2) Kobe has not been able to develop his supporting cast into all stars because he shoots too much and does not facilitate their success. Kobe just scowls and berates and is a very negative individual. A terrible leader. Other great players would have been able to develop some of these current Lakers into all stars or pretty darn close by now."
Who other than Lamar has the talent and skills right now (not potential.. Bynum has ways to go to build his skills) to be an all-star? and he has been in the league for so many years and has played with great players and he hasn't become an all-star.
Even then, Lamar was on track this year to make an all-star bid before the injury and the lakers and Kobe were successful with Lamar before the injury. Their talents blended better than ever before.
You are simply not giving Kobe a fair chance.
Posted by: Lakerfan | March 21, 2007 at 12:30 PM
"I thought I took the trash out yesterday..and it's back today"
When you take out the trash this time, take out Fakerz, and the fake Tim too.
This is nuts! I think we just caught a bunch of trolls or either one troll with multiple IPs having a field day. It's like going to the Cleveland blog and telling the Cavs to trade LBJ for some solid scrubs!
This is laughable... I'm laughing my *ss off at these moronic posts. At least it's entertaining, but still...
Ok, okay.... so we trade Kobe for say five scrubs. Now we have 16 scrubs, LO who is at his peak is just under a W.C. All-Star, and Bynum who plays like a scrub but might someday develop. Then, because we have no team, we are in the lottery for a few years as we rebuild.
Folks... you guys are wanting the Clippers blog, go get your butts over there! They will LOVE YOU there.
Posted by: Tim | March 21, 2007 at 12:33 PM
lfan, Shaq, ever since Kobe stepped into the league, ABUSED Kobe both publicly and privately. This has been documented.
It has been reported that Bynum and Phil were arguing.. Kobe and Shaw then tried to explain Phil's point.. Bynum became upset and threw a tantrum publicly. If anything, it shows how Kobe as a young player was restraint despite public criticisms and Bynum isn't that mature yet.
Posted by: Lakerfan | March 21, 2007 at 12:33 PM
I honestly don't think the proposed Chicago trade for Kobe would be enough. We need more. I'm not up to date on the free agent class, but as long as we can get a good off guard as well as a good big, it will be "all good." We really need to trade Kobe while we still can, before we regret not doing so. He is a cancer to this team unfortunately, and it doesn't look like we can ever win with him. Nobody of consequence wants to play with him and he can't make anyone around him better apparently. Cut ship and let's rebuild this thing! Who's with me?!
Posted by: Judith | March 21, 2007 at 12:33 PM