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Extra! Extra! (3.16)

"7."  Lucky first roll in craps.  Outstanding flick.  Add another "7" to that "7" and you got yourself a pretty solid cocktail. 

But when it comes to the Lakers, an otherwise fine number marked the number of consecutive losses the Lakers currently have under their belts, this time a 113-86 fall to the Denver Nuggets.  The return of Lamar Odom and Luke Walton meant this team, at long last, had its ideal starting lineup on the floor for the first time in eons.  And for the opening 24 minutes, the positive impact of the two pass-first forwards was obvious.  But unfortunately, a third quarter almost always follows the first two in an NBA game, and that's where things fell apart for the Lakers.   Whole lotta Denver alley oops.  Whole lotta threes from a kid named Linas, who definitely made the Lakers feel the need for a security blanket.  Throw in Odom and Walton's collective lack of conditioning and a D that's rarely been ship shape all season (much less last night), and you're looking at a box score not worth looking at.

Phil Jackson's Thursday wasn't much fun in general.  Aside from watching his team get shellacked, he got hit with an invoice from the NBA to the tune of 50 grand.  As it turns out, the NBA doesn't like hearing "the truth" about elbow-gate and witchhunts quite the way Jackson predicted.  While occasionally joking about the check he'll be making out to Mr. Stern, PJ doesn't find the matter all that funny in a "bigger picture" sense.  In fact, one writer wonders, to paraphrase "Lethal Weapon," if PJ's "getting too old for this %#$*."  Whether that's the case or not, it's clear the league's concern over its image has reached the point of paranoia.  As Stephen A. Smith points out, it's time for David Stern to get past the Palace Brawl.

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This Laker team gives up lob / dunks like it's part of the act,

GO Cirque du sol Lake Show

I expected the loss last night and the only thing really that surprised me was how badly it was. However, that's not totally bad either.

Those that thought that Lamar and Luke arriving back on the court providing the full starting lineup for this team for the first time in months, would immediately begin a win streak were crazy. Things don't happen that way. Look at what happened in Miami when Shaq came back. The first few games Shaq looked terrible and the team continued to have problems. BUT look at them now. Once Shaq had a couple games to get himself back into game shape, they started playing well. The Lakers aren't an exception to the rule.

I do hold to my original belief from earlier when the injuries first started. This team is going to be great by playoff time. EVERYONE that is criticizing them now is going to be singing a different tune then. Just like Barkley last season was riding them hard all the way until they won Game 2 of the first round, the same will happen this year. Now, I am happy that Denver is winning because I want them to also get a first round upset, so I want them to start gelling as a team. Their schedule is much more difficult than the Lakers with a 5-game road trip starting soon. The Lakers are heading home. I predict that the Lakers will be snug again in the 6th seed in about a week. Then they will start to make their adjustments for the playoffs.

They are really in an interesting position in that everyone is starting to believe that they are worthless as a team. Phil Jackson has always been a strong proponent of seizing advantages. The element of surprise as well as the fight of an underdog are two things he can really work with. The Lakers have both working for them right now.

In conclusion, the Lakers will make the playoffs, ending up most likely in the 7th or 8th seed in the West. They will upset their first round opponent. That is when the blinds will be opened and teams will begin to realize that they really are a better team than the losses would showforth. They will have a grueling second round matchup at which time Kobe will eveal that he is still the best player in the game.

I saw hope last night
however brief
in the form of competence
and execution
# 4
and
# 7
Get those legs back in shape
The Lakers looked good, (I went to bed at about 4 minutes left in the 2nd quarter, so that *third* didn't exist, in my reality.)...and will be rolling by april.

fill me up a glass of the kool-ade
-E Homp

What I'm dissappointed with most right now is PJ's 7th straight loss. Now Red Auerbach is the only coach to never lose 7 straight games. Well, Phil will win his 10th championship before it's all said and done.

The Lakers looked better with Walton back, but you can tell both him and Odom were out of sync or I should say out of gas by the 3rd quarter.

It seems the secret formula for beating the Lakers, is to find someone on the team who you don't expect to score well and give him the ball a lot to get a career high.

The Laker coaching staff must put too much emphasis on stopping the stars and nobody else. As far as I'm concerned everyone on the Lakers should be studying all their opponents.

Smush was a little better at stopping the drives last night. He actually tried to stay in front of AI. He picked up a lot of fouls, but it was nice to see.

The Lakers always look sluggish on the road. They shouldn't have been this sluggish after 3 days off.

Obviously the Lakers don't care about winning games right now. They will probably turn it on the final 10-12 games of the season.


JJ,
As much as would want the Lakers to win the final 10 games or so, I think they should just rest up and maybe forget the playoffs. I don't think they have any shot to win it all this year. Also, this year's draft is going to be deep. One more good player from the draft can maybe take them over the top next year.

the last remaining great player on this laker squad, kobe bryant, is a jerry west player.

what other great or even good player is a result of mitch kupchak.

this isn't kupchak hating, it's just pointing out a real fact.

we have a marginal gm, thus we have marginal talent.

dr. buss REALLY NEEDS to assess the situation and decide whether or not mitch kupchak is the right person for the job.

nice guy, yes.

great assistant to jerry west, i would say yes.

general manager of the los angeles lakers, ummm no.

once again, not hating on mitch. i just believe he is not good enough for the job.

and if dr. buss thinks that kupchak is good enough, the current situation will soon become the norm.

i mean it was dr. buss who ALMOST made the kidd deal happen near the midnight hour by offering more cash & draft picks.

so if dr. buss is essentially the real gm, why does he need mitch kupchak?

kupchak is simply in over his head a.k.a out of his league.

JJ,

If we face Phoenix or Dallas in the first round, we're getting swept, and it ain't going to be pretty. I know we're starting to get healthy and get guys back, but losing 13 of 16 is definitely not "seizing an advantage" it's piss poor, horrible, worst in the league basketball.

This team is in major danger and something needs to happen. Their body language was horrible last night. These guys are one ass-whooping away from quitting, you can see it.

I think Kobe and Phil have done a valiant effort at plugging the holes in the damn with their fingers for the past two years, but its getting close to flooding around here.

Something drastic needs to be done or we're going to be mired in mediocrity for years. Count on it.

JJ

I know you're right, it's just very frustrating to watch!

Why can't we be a team like the suns or the mavs?

They come to play ball every night!

I'm tired of "just making noise" in the playoffs.


zen,

It would be better for the franchise to miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick in this years draft. It could be one of our only tradeable assets.

JJ,

the ultimate optimist who begins his post with a gem "I expected the loss last night..."

then two paragraphs later writes "This team is going to be great by playoff time."

he then elaborates, "Their (Nuggets) schedule is much more difficult than the Lakers with a 5-game road trip starting soon. The Lakers are heading home. I predict that the Lakers will be snug again in the 6th seed in about a week. Then they will start to make their adjustments for the playoffs."

and finishes brilliantly with "the Lakers will make the playoffs, ending up most likely in the 7th or 8th seed in the West. They will upset their first round opponent. That is when the blinds will be opened and teams will begin to realize that they really are a better team than the losses would showforth. They will have a grueling second round matchup at which time Kobe will eveal that he is still the best player in the game."
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and santa claus loves cookies & milk. and the easter bunny will be here in a couple of weeks too.

so in the middle of march, you are expecting losses. yet come late april/may you expect them to upset either the suns, mavs or spurs?

you are entitled to your beliefs, however they seem more like contradictions.

you are also depending on the nuggets schedule, when it is the LAKERS who are in the middle of a 7 game losing streak. losing 13 of their last 16.

if the lakers keep losing, it doesn't matter who the nuggets play - the lakers will play themselves out of the playoffs.

face facts jj: the mavs, suns & spurs are much better teams than the lakers. all 3 have better point guards. better big men. better shooters. better defenders. better rebounders. better passers. flat out better teams.

yeah we have kobe. but guess what? as the past 3 seasons have shown, having just kobe AIN'T ENOUGH.

quit fooling yourself into thinking this laker team has plenty of qualilty, let alone enough quality to beat the western conference elite.

sorry if my post was overcritical, i guess i just want to "open the blinds" for you.

and i know, i am a hater, wannabe laker fan.

you're undying/unwavering faith in this squad makes you the better laker fan.

my realistic views, in my opinion, make me a REAL laker fan. i accept them for what they are, i know what they are. yet i also also accept them for what they are not, i certainly know what they are not...a contender.

Three major problems with the Lakers ...

PROBLEM 1: The Great Phil Jackson is naked for the world to see, a total fraud as a coach. Blessed with great teams in Chicago & Los Angeles even Casey Stengel could have coached those squads to NBA rings.

In Chicago who couldn't win with Jordan, Pippen, Kerr, Rodman & Kukoc? In L.A. who couldn't win with Shaq, Kobe, Fisher, Fox & Shaw?

Now, give the Great Zen Master Kobe, surrounded by the likes of Odom, Walton, Kwame Brown and Smush Parker and he fails, and fails big time. Faced with mediocre talent he can't get more than mediocre results - at best.
Jackson is a sham.

PROBLEM 2: Kobe Bryant. The Lakers will NEVER win another NBA title with him. His ego chased the great Shaq away. His ego is directly responsible for this horrendous season. It's all about Kobe all of the time. It took Philly a long, long time to realize Iverson was a one-man show on a losing team. Ditto Ray Allen in Seattle. How long will it take the Lakers to realize the same with Kobe?

PROBLEM 3: The front office is incompetent. When they lost Jerry West they lost an awful lot. Kupchak simply doesn't have the eye for talent and never will. This is not something that can be learned - you either have it or you don't and Kupchak doesn't have it.

If these three problems are not addressed soon Laker fans will be mere spectators for years to come watching other teams vie for an NBA title and not the Lakers.

IT'S OVER. FINITO. KAPUT. SE ACABO.

Sup all :)

Now we all know obviously Kobe body isn't in the normal shape that it would be if he could have worked out this summer like he normally does. His defense has really suffered because of it. Kobe is used to having enough speed to rush over to his defender after helping on penetration for a teammate and being able to get a hand in his man's face. It looks like He is tired not just physically but mentally also. Sad because the injuries really hurt us because I really felt Kobe needed to take some games off to strengthen that knee. But, our team is getting healthy and lets not forget were not 100%.

AND WHY IS MO EVANS THE ANTI-TRIANGLE PLAYER. THE GUYS JACKS UP EVERYTHING. HE ISNT KOBE AND HE ISNT LAMAR SO KNOW YOUR ROLE. YOU WERE BROUGHT HERE TO BE A DEFENSIVE STOPPER AND YOU CANT DO THAT.

And Although Smush had a bad Offensive game his defense on AI was not bad at all. But I still say we shoulda gone with Shammond earlier in the season its to late now.

Hey BK/AK whats the news on Chris Mihm?

They will WIN today against the Blazers. It's about time after 7 losses, it's like shooting 7 consecutive free throws that were all missed. For sure the 8th one will go in, even Shaq dummy will make it, so the Lakers dummies will win this time.

Let's talk of trading at the end of the season not while they're still playing.

Just one request from Phil: Don't play Smush, he brings negative vibrations to this team. He maybe be good to your standards but not at this time. Believe on this karma, he's the scourge the brings your team down, Zen Master.

Check me tonight if my forecast is wrong. (One caveat to my forecast, if PJ plays Smush as a starting PG, the guarantee is OFF, they could lose again.)

This Smush is really a punishment to all Laker fans during Lenten Season, for that matter throughout the season. lol

tha show,
There you go with Mitch again! I can't believe you guys come on here and criticize Mitch all the time. First off all, it's a DIFFERENT ERA. Second of all, West hasn't done anything in 6 years either. And Lastly, the Lakers have had only one good draft position in the last 6 years. #10 with Andrew.

West had like 10 years to rebuild the Lakers! Give me a break.


It's also not Mitch's fault the Lakers are cash strapped and can't get anymore players. You can blame DR. Buss for that one.

Luigi,
Pat Riley couldn't win either we he had mediocore talent. Does that mean he is a fraud too?

Zakee,

Why are you going after me AGAIN about Smush?

Dude, Ive been agreeing with you for weeks about SMush and you are bagging on me like I am defending him.

Cant you even read? What is your problem?

I DONT LIKE SMUSH, GOT IT!!!!

READ IT LEARN IT LIVE IT. Friggen moron.

zen,

okay then it's all the players' fault.

it's the coaches' fault.

it's the injuries.

kupchak has made nothing but solid moves.

by the way, jim buss made the bynum pick, not kupchak. so who really knows who picked farmar & turiaf...

and i have called out dr. buss and the entire buss family for hiring and employing a subpar gm.

the lakers are still cash strapped because they settled on a horrible deal for shaq that included brian grant.

whether that was kupchak's call or dr. buss, it doesn't matter.

RESPONSIBILITY comes with the territory when you are gm. kupchak is paid to make these big decisions. and if you are gm, the blame will always be placed on you. comes with the gig.

and i wouldn't call pau gasol nothing. watch out for hakim warrick and rudy gay as well. oh yeah shane battier too, one of 3 duke players in the last 15 years who has panned out (the others being elton brand, grant hill). you wouldn't like to have mike miller on this team? i think we could use him.

zen, i truly feel you underestimate the gm ability of jerry west.

we only have one of west's player left with kobe. and many on this blog and around the nba believe kobe is the best player in the league.

once again, i'll take my chances with jerry west.

I'm still a believer. Yesterday although we lost but I saw moments what we could be when we're at full strength with some play time together. Right now biggest problem is defense which should come back with full roster start talking to each other and getting comfortable. Lakers picked up their defensive intensity last year also in the last 10 games. Last 2 months were bad dreams. Think positively and good things will happen.

Ash

Paul Lee,

To the best of my knowledge, the news on Mihm is the same as it's been for a while. He's shooting to be available come the postseason. The Lakers would love to have him, but aren't counting on it.

AK

losing losing and more losing...

oh well, i still cant wait for the playoffs, no matter who we play...

I know the team should not give up, but it sounds ridiculous when they say 'when we are in the playoffs. '

Do they really think they are going to make the playoffs?

I really doubt they'll make the playoffs. And it has nothing to do with the kind of talent they have.

I truly believe when healthy this team is real good and we should not judge them on the last couple of month, but at the beginning when everyone was healthy.

Kobe, Lamar and Luke truly know how to run the offense, with them it flows really nice. Kobe had 9 dimes and luke 6.

Luke's stat line was great and Lamar's was OK too, the team only needs to build that chemistry back, but I'm not sure if they'll build it soon enough.

A team just needs 3 main guys to run the show and the team has that with Kobe, Lamar and Luke, to that mix you throw in Kwame that plays very well with those 3 and the team can go far in the playoffs, not this year, but next year, if they are healthy.

The first half of last night's game was great, the team that we know, but in the second half Lamar and Luke ran out of gas and the team went down, more so in Denver's altitude, but we saw a little light in this team.

I agree with you Edwin, Smush is a bad seed in this team, his attitude is getting worse and worse, you would think that a superstar would have that kind of attitude not a player like smush.

He's sending ALL these bad vibes to this team and it's hurting them a lot, I wish that Phil would just start Shammond, maybe it's better to put someone like shammond that doesn't have a bad vibe like Smush has.

I would never wish for someone to lose their job, but Smush is a free agent next year and the Lakers just need to not sign him, I'm sure another team will sign him. He's not worth all the trouble he causes.

None of the refs like him, his attitude towards the coach is disrespecful and he's not supportive of his teammates, so he needs to go.

ash

Defense has ALWAYS been a problem! It's not something that just sort of 'came-up'!

PJ doesn't pratice Defense, It's all about the triangle!

We've always needed defense!!!

I agree about underestimating the greatness of Jerry West as a GM. He's doing a heckuva job down in Memphis.

NOTE: This in no way invalidates my love of Mr. West for his many years of service as Laker GM.

Anyone who thinks getting a good draft pick is better for us is stupid! A rookie will not save the day. Getting another rookie means is that we'll have another young, inexperienced guy on our team. We already have about 7 of those. Sure, a good draft pick would be useful trade wise, but I'm not hoping we miss the playoffs to get one.

And I'm not a college hoops expert, but I do know this whole "great and deep draft" this year is exaggerated. It's only a great draft if you have the #1- 4 maybe 5 pick. The rest might have some good players, but no where near on the level where it will make an instant impact.

Quite frankly, I'm not surprised we lost last night. This was what our 3rd or 4th different starting lineup in 6 games. Plus, LO and Luke haven't played in a couple weeks and they come back to killing altitude. I'm not making excuses. Its just the truth. Now am pretty shocked with our lack of effort as the game went on, but no surprised with the loss.

the show,

What I'm saying is that every GM makes mistakes. Jerry West hasn't done anything either. I think Jerry did much better in the 90's because he didn't have a salary cap to deal with. Again, it's a different era now. Different rules.

When you pick in the late 20s all the time, it's a guessing game for any GM on who is going to pan out.

Jerry West has had better picks than Mitch and has done NOTHING. I'm not saying Jerry West is a bad GM. I'm saying that your not giving Mitch enough time or enough credit on anything.

Everyone is fustrated with the Lakers this year, but in the beginning of the year, everyone was praising kupchak. I happen to think the Lakers fit this team in so well, that if one piece goes missing, the whole machine falls apart. That means when the whole team is together, they complement each other very well. We have had injuries. It sucks, but that is just the way it is.

Your not going to find one GM in the NBA that is cash strapped and is doing a better job than Mitch. The Lakers make the playoffs and therefore get low end draft picks every year. What do you expect?

I think the real issue here is the Lakers need to just rest and miss the playoffs and get that high draft pick. Oden once had 18 blocks in a game! Are you kidding me? I'll take him or Durant.. Boston is losing on purpose to get him. All the Lakers have to do is miss the playoffs, and they have a good chance to get a good player in this DEEP draft.


Andrew Z,
If the Lakers miss the playoffs, it wouldn't be all that bad at all. This year's draft is supposed to be very deep. If the Lakers get Lucky and get a top 3 pick, they can trade it for a good PG. If they get #1, I would take Oden though. If we get Oden, I would trade Bynum for Kidd this summer.

JJ

Your so right on with your post. This team just needs time to play as a whole unit. Phils not panicking because he knows what this group is capable of as a whole unit. We just need everyone healthy by playoff time. Phils staff has a looonnnggg history of having thier teams ready by the playoffs and We still have 17 games to go. I think everyones forgetting the way we played during the first half. We were 11 games over .500 and didnt even have the whole team healthy. Remember Lamars Knee Then it was Kwames ankle, then Lukes ankle, then dumbass Rads injury, Then Lamars again Now Cookies Ankle? Give me a break Please! I think were still in a great position considering all the injurys. Now its time to get Healthy and back to playing at a high level before round 1. And Phils staff is very capable of getting that done. I have to say the only Player that has me worried is Smush Parker. I hope they can get him focused by the playoffs. He right now is our weakest link. His attitude has to change or were 1 and out. It really all falls on his shoulders. He can make us an elite team or he can sink us in the first round. His attitude which I think affects his play just has to change.
P.S. Thank God this Blog wasnt around in the 90's There would have been a lot of jumpers during those years...

keifo,
in actuality Phil is one of the better defensive coaches in the league, look at his track record dont just judge by this season.

Luigi,
Shaq and kobe played together for 3 seasons before phil got there. if any coach could have won with both of the why didnt they get any rings before phil? Give phil some credit. I dont care who was coaching the lakers the past 2 months it coulda been who ever, our record wouldnt have been much better.

Two things: First, no one ever seems to bring up that there is not a consistent second scorer on this team, someone you can count on for 20 + points a game. lamar is averaging 16 +, but is incredibly inconsistent as a scorer. Nice all-around game, but does not score consistently enough to help this team out (Perhaps, Caron Butler could've been that guy?). Second, to the best of my recollection, there has not been a team that "limps" into the playoffs that has done anything significant in the playoffs in recent memory. The final 20 games (not 10-12) are usually a good measuring stick as to what to expect from a team in the playoffs.

One last thing, I absolutely believe that Andrew Bynum is expendable. Everybody always points to his age and his upside, but take a look at bigs in this league that are in his age range, like Dwight Howard that are already realizing their potential. He is not agressive and does not have the killer instinct you want from a big. I say trade him now when people are still disillusioned that he could be a star. I'm not saying that he won't be a decent player. What I'm saying is the Lakers are overvaluing him.

We already have one big on our roster that didn't live up to his potential. We don't need another.

This team resembles the one from a couple years ago rather than last years. It is losing( or maybe has lost) it's will to win and I predict that if they don't win a couple of games soon, they will not make the playoffs. They do not have any savvy vets like Horry, Fisher, B Shaw they can call on to make clutch plays when they need them. The defense is beyond horrible. Blazers will come in and score 115 pts. tonite and win if the Lakers don't get serious about playing some "D". Kobe is starting to look despondent and has a look of helplessness about him. Maybe Phil needs to go, wish Kupchak would go and start over with a new coach and GM.

People, people, This is the LA freakin lakers wer're talking about. Winner of more titles than any team but Boston. This Is Phil Freakin Jackson we're talking about. Winner of more rings than any coach and tied with one. Do you honestly believe Phil does not know what he's doing. The regular season is like the preseason for Phil. It's his time to get his players in shape, check out their psyche and psyche the other teams. Wins or losses mean nothing. It's getting to the playoff is all that counts. These rash of injuries we're seeing, yeah some of them are real but some are psyche if you know what I mean. Everything that has happened so far is just a prelude to the playoff. Lamar has had a good rest. Luke has had a good rest. Kwame has had a good rest and lookee here, it's almost playoff time and what team in the playoffs players will have the freshest legs? The David Stern against Kobe thing FAGETABOUTIT. Every champioship fight has to have a hero and a villian. Well in the NBA everybody wants to be the hero, so in this championship KOBE will now play the villian part. Wow what great TV Darth Kobe against the NBA. The Lakers are primed, the Lakers are batlle hardened and most importan t the Lakers are rested. Look Out. I smell Championship. Anybody else for the David Whang Bandwagon! GO LAKERS!

Before anything else, this team needs to make it through a game without totally caving in and quitting like they have done the last 4 games.

Injuries are an explanation for a lot of these problems, but it doesn't explain why this team is laying down like dogs every night. There is a problem with the Lakers' heart, too.

We're playing way below the talent on the rooster and the coaching staff. We saw that at the start of the season. What is the problem? It could be that they're not confortable in the triagle; it could be that they're not confortable with their roles; or it could be that this is not their year. All I can say is that the team as a unit, even with injuries (we shouldn't have lost to most teams we lost to), is playing below its potential.

There are teams like the Suns who have players that have less skills than the players we have on our rooster. It's mindboggling if you look at the true talents of these guys and match it up with what they are actually doing. I'll give few examples. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Shasha is potentially a pure shooter (but he is not doint that); Lamar is potentially a guy that could average 18, 12, 6 (but he is not doing it right now); Kobe potentially could average 32, 10, 5 (but he is not doing that); Cook, the best catch and shoot player in the NBA is not playing to his potential. Smush with his size and athleticism is not making it happen. Kobe, Lamar, and Brown could potentially be defensive threats because of their quickness, strength, long wing-span, etc.

This is the tricky part, and I usually don't do this, but if the Lakers lose tonight, or lose huge tonight, it's gonna be hard to carol this team again to its potential. This game, in front of a home crowd, after a seven game losing skid, should be the difference-maker. Let's hope it be a difference for good things to come. Go Lakers

Mamba,
"People, people, This is the LA freakin lakers wer're talking about."

Unfortunately, that doesn't help a mediocre team win any titles. Hopefully management isn't counting on the aura of the Lakers to get them out of the first round.

yeah luigi..ummm..wtf do you know about coaching? yeah, the problem must be the zenmaster...if i have to read one more idiotic post about how the problem is phil i'm gonna have a freaking aneurysm...short memories here folks, do you remember how phil devised the game plan in the playoffs last year that nearly took down the suns...the lakers had absolutely NO business being in that series last year except for phil's brilliance..suck it up and take the good with the bad..its what being a laker fan's always been about

We need to come out with everything we've got tonight and turn things around. The season is not lost, though it looks bad from the current angles. All it takes is one major game to get the swagger back and roll into the playoffs. Does anyone think Pippen or J. Kidd would have made any difference? With the exception of Pippen maybe being a force in the locker room, I doubt much would be different. Micth HELP is needed!

With Odom and Walton there, the team at least moved the ball.

I don't like Smush's attitude that when things don't go right that he quits on defense and suck on offense.

And there are some trolls here kissing Shaq's butts and bashing Kobe. Pathetic!

I am sorry for piling up on Smush , but he is the first line of defense and as it gets broken down rather easily , Lakers do not seem to have a clue on what to do next.
I am tired or every NBA loser having a career night at our expense.
For people , who think we can improve by Trading Kobe , look at what we got for Shaq !!!
How can you ask for a Kobe trade , when the Laker organization is run by the bunch of incompitent staff.
We minute we announce the intentions of trading Kobe, we will be taken an immidiate advantage of by some savvy GM and Buss's kids will fall into a trap right away.
I simply do not see the light at the end.
You have to understand , the wins are accomplished not only on the court , 50% of it is done by carefully selecting of right components to set up *heroics* by MJ , KB , Magic, Bird.
We live in the society of sorry worshipers and they think that one guy is the key.
No. Its a TEAM sport.
Kobe is not good enough to take us to promised land.
MJ was not enough to win by himself , he could not take Wizards to playoffs in the pathetic East.
He did all he could and more but its simply not enough.
Our beloved Magic (and he is great) did win nothing without Kareem.

Just look at Phoenix , Dallas, SA .
They have a lot of great players on their rosters.
Yes, Phoenix and Dallas have not won the title yet, but they will , sooner or later.
Look at Detroit ....Billups, Ham, Wallace, Prince , Web
Even Miami has a lot of grate *has been"s* and it worked for them last season.
Remember J Williams went 10 of 11 in one of the important games, Alonzo , JP even Walker is still dangerous.
What do we have ????
Smush ??? What do you expect from him ? He is a decent player but we talking about winning Championship here , right.
Smush against Nash , Terry , Parker ????
Smush against Billups ?
Offensively or defensively he is no match.
So , how you expect him to outperform these guys ?
By giving his 110% ? To them its 60% , they still handle him with ease.
We need QUALITY PERSONNEL AROUND KOBE .
Another example.
Look at the combined stats of Kwame, Bunym , Ronnie and compare them to Shaq's in his prime.
Right , Shaq was better then 3 PLAYERS we got now !!!!!
You cant comprise the team of Radmanovich , Cook, Smush, Sasha, Kwame and expect to win a title .
KB and healthy Lamar are not enough.

nyla,

Since we don't have the cap room to get an impact guy in free agency, and we don't have the tradeable assets to deal for an impact player, getting a lottery pick helps us up our overall talent level, even if we don't get a guy who will make a big difference right away.

This team is a lot closer to a perenial lottery team than they are to perennial contender.

The 7th and 8th seeds shouldn't even get in the playoffs. That's the league's "get richer" round. We had that experience last year. Another 1st round out is not positive experience for the kids. Let's play with the rules the league allows. Let's pull a San Antonio and pick up a major piece in the draft. The trade options are wide open if they get a low pick. The season doesn't matter, it's about the off season now.

Look at the body language for the last 3 weeks. Kobe has had a look that he didn't have on his face after he airballed three 3 pointers in the crunch against Utah his rookie year. The guy that never gives up is considering it. And he should. Kick back and watch some NCAA, we've had such bad luck this year we're due for a #1 coin flip.

From the way this team has competed recently, has anyone considered that the org already has this plan in motion? Now that would be impressive.

I dont mean we have to trade Kobe, I am his big fan . He is proven. His work ethic is second to none.
To all the fans screaning to Kobe to put the CAPE ON , I say TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF !!!!!
We are going to ride this guy to death !!!!!!
Find a damned cap space !!!!
How come Dallas has Dirk, Terry, Stack, Howard , Phoenix with Amare, Nash, Marion, Barbosa, Diaw and both teams are looking to improve their rosters next year ?????
Who are we managed by ?
Bush administration ?

Correction....In an effort to type my original post earlier, I didn't realize that I made a typo. I didn't mean to say 7th or 8th....I meant 6th or 7th.

Other than that, I stand behind my original post.

For the person that thought it was crazy to say that a loss is expected in March....Do you really expect a team having playing their first game with 2 of their starters finally back in the lineup, in the milehigh city, having not had much opportunity to return to game shape condition, would be able to keep up with a fast paced team for four quarters?

You all overreact on things. As for the two blowouts, it doesn't matter whether you lose by 1 or 30, you lose or you win. Dallas just got blown out a few nights ago. SA just got beat pretty bad too. EVEN the elite teams are losing to the lowly teams.

The bottomline is that given the right amount of time (by my calculations 15 games) the Lakers should be completely ready for playoff basketball.

Let me state this too....All of you that have been riding them so hard for the past 2 months, I don't want to see you on here, if they "shock the world" and win the first round. Don't you dare come on here and praise them after all of the criticism you have contributed on here. Just go follow one of the other teams and leave the Lakers permanently. If you can handle the hard times, you don't deserve to celebrate during the good times.

Ace,
"We're playing way below the talent on the roster"

Actually, no. The Lakers have been overachieving all year, until the injuries got to a point where they couldn't be overcome. The record at the beginning of the year was misleading due to unexpectedly poor play from much of the rest of the West, combined with the home-heavy schedule the Lakers faced.

that show, (from previous thread)

"greek dude,

first off, you lose all credibility with your unconditional love for sasha.
...
no(w) go and make out with your sasha vujacic fathead.

Posted by: tha show | March 16, 2007 at 09:48 AM "

haha, that made me laugh. well, it's kinda hard to lose credibility if i joke around...i only lose credibility if you take it seriously.

exhelodrvr,

Do you think that our record reflects the talents that we have on the roster?

Why aren't we seeing a Mike T Jackson Journal anymore? Is it because his Kwame Brown lead Lakers game up the most points in their history on Sunday? Or maybe it was that 20 point debacle last night? Whatever it is, I'm glad Brown's defensive presence has been a huge factor for us.

Anyboday have ESPN insider? Would you be nice enough to post the series they are doing on best post players and face up players?

true dat zen

zen,

I was wondering about that too, Kwame stinks period, he needs to go, hes a major part of the problem.

Last night when Iverson was penetrating and dishing for easy layups over and over again even Luke got disgusted with Kwame, you could see it in his face.

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