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Extra! Extra! (1.26)

January 26, 2007 |  9:30 am

Think a brouhaha against the perennially bottom dwelling Charlotte Bobcats is a ho-hum affair?  Well, then you're obviously not a member of the orange squad, because they're still living on cloud 9 after their instant-ish "classic" 3OT win last month.  For certain franchises, you take history book moments where you can get them.  And given the Lakers' recent history against the slugs of the world, their "been there, done that" factor possibly goes out the window.   But the Lakers hope the return of Lamar Odom will help prevent another chapter of "Carolina Glory" from being written.  Not that the stop gap folks haven't been doing a good job, but LO's ability to zone in on a errant ball is skill the squad's been seriously missing for six weeks.  And the All-Star votes Odom managed to tally even while missing a month and a half show hint that an injury-free season might have landed him in Vegas with 3rd leading vote getter Kobe Bryant.  He'll just have to settle for making his team a potential killer.

Dunno if Andrew Bynum brings him an apple every practice, but the kid likes his teach plenty.

Vlade Divac got out at the right time.

Congrats, Jessica!

Oh, Tractor.  You little scamp!


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Wouldn't Vlad be comming back about now had he had surgery at the year's beginning?

Wes

There were a couple of STEALS behind Andrew as well:

13. Sean May
18. Gerald Green
19. Hakim Warrick
21. Nate Robinson
22. Jarrett Jack
24. Luther Head
30. David Lee
37. Ronny Turiaf (Woohoo!)
40. Monta Ellis

#30 is the most intriguing that the Lakers passed up on. David Lee is REALLY good.

#40 Lakers passed on Monta Ellis and picked Von Wafer at #39 instead....hahahhahah KupCake and most of the NBA messed up on this one. Monta is the next AI.

ps. Couldn't resist KupCake for the Monta Ellis miss but Kuptchak's done a damn fine job overall.

The lakers will never trade Andrew Bynum as if Kobe retires at say 35 years old. Bynum will take over as the superstar of the team and he will be 26 or 27 years old and in the prime of his career

Maybe Houston, with Malone, Olajuwon (sp?) and Yao.

I checked the rest of the 2005 draft, and the only player after Bynum that I think was worthwhile is Danny Granger who is becoming a pretty solid 2-way player. Didn't PJ want Granger? He's got a good eye for talent.

It should also be noted that the Lakers were able to take a risk on Andrew Bynum because they already had Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom, and Phil Jackson. If it wasn't for the perfect storm of poop that happened to land them in the lottery (injuries, coaches bailing, and the hangover from Shaq-gate) they probably would have been in the playoffs as a low seed. This enabled the Lakers to take a gamble on a project that didn't need to pan out for at least a couple of years. It also helped that they had just recently traded for Kwame Brown, who even though was brought in to play the power forward position, could play the five at times (and was very young and a couple years removed from being the #1 pick) and Chris Mihm who was a solid if not spectacular center.

The teams above the Lakers needed players that would be immediate impact guys (although Atlanta drafted a project, and a small forward project at that-god bless the Hawks) so they drafted accordingly.

And remember, Bynum hadn't played that much in high school due to injury and even Mitch Kupchak admitted to not seeing him play that much before drafting him.

In a draft that was being heralded as below average, the Lakers made a smart gamble in drafting big. No matter what happens you can't teach size and it will always be in demand.

John F - NEWFLASH - so was Dwight Howard when he first came into the league... and he was already a beast at that age. And so was Amare, I think. I don't see Bynum as a beast yet. I think he needs to work on his lower body... more strength, more explosion. If he develops that... he'll be unstoppable.

Respect,

I am going with GOD is a Laker Fan.

Hey Fabio, cheers to Brazil.

Great to have Lamar back tonight, and can't wait for the make or break 8 game road trip. We will know what the lakers are all about after that trip.

Go Lakers!

bd

Brandon,

Lakers traded for the great centers except for Mikan. Houston drafted them - Moses, Hakeem, Yao and the almost great - Ralph Sampson.

I've seen Chauncy Billups name mentioned a couple times, and maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think he is a good fit with our team. He's a great player, no doubt about it, but would he be a great triangle player?

As we all know, most of the pg's that have played in the triangle are spot jump shooters, and good defenders. Yes, Billups can do both of those things, but his game is too versatile to be stuck in that role. Think Gary Payton. He's obviously not as old as Payton was when we picked him up, but they play a similar game, and we all saw how good that Payton thing worked out.

Hey, I could be wrong and Billups could make this team great, but I just don't see his style of pg play working in the triangle. And I don't know if I can imagine Mr. Big Shot in Purple and Gold anyway.

Thank you BD & Najja for providing the answer on that written offer. I didn't expect it that's why? It was also listed on Inside Hoops, actually published by New York Post which is equivalent to tabloid news or rumors in NY. Exchanging our expiring contracts against Jason Kidd, who is already on the sunset of his career we transform the team from TOO YOUNG into TOO OLD @ 34. OK Mckie, Shammond, Mihm, Walton and Smush still OK but to include Turiaf + Cook that's a little bit of stretch. I would rather pick up where there is no trade imposed rather than changing the make up half of the team, why don't we explore Edddie Jones, if he's waived by JW. If we evaluate those expensive players namely: Gasol, Kidd or KG at the end of the year. I think I'm willing to hold on for KG. By the end of the year we know where we stand with other teams whether our investment on youth and KAJ's training on AB paved way. I will still continue investing on Bynum nor willing to exchange LO for KG, this is not similar to trading the rights of Divac, Peeler, Lynch in 1995 to get Kobe & Shaq. If KG does not join, it is not a Laker loss but his own fault. The Front office should always surround Kobe & LO reliable players who could play defense, not lazy & will not crumble during the playoffs. I like Euros who have the fundamentals and can be trained in defense in the long run.

Mike T.,

I know I invested interest on your analysis but now, you are talking like an MD - how do you project the relationship of strenght and weight by mere looking at those pictures? How do you know it is two and half more years? I think if there is anybody who is authority on Andrew it will be either Kareem or Phil but they're not saying anything except that he's 19. Is this a justification that we need Kwame for at least 2 and half more years? lol!

Fatty,

I predict Lakers will win at home. They have prepared for this game for the last 3 days thinking of Bobcats. They're comfortable when their wives, Mom are watching. They need the crowd approval in order to play d-e-f-e-n-s-e and lastly, they're scared being booed by Faith, the treo second time around against a lesser team. It is when they are on the road that makes them very unpredictable.

Edwin,

It's common knowledge that there's a difference between body building and stregnth building. Especially when the process is in a little over 2 and a half years. But you have to give the body time to mature. Look at the photo of Bynum from high school. The guy is chubby. Look at the draft day photo. The guy is sleek. Look at the recent photo. The guy is sculptured. That was in 2 and a half years. But the key is that his body hasn't even matured, yet. The guy is projected to be playing at 300-310. The guy doesn't have true strength yet.

I don't have to make stuff like that up to justify Kwame. All you have to do is watch the games. Just like I don't have to make up stuff about Walton. Just watch the games.

Bynum's body hasn't matured yet. No way does he have natural stregnth. I mean, can't you figure that out? He could only press 100 lbs. when he first came to the Lakers.

I think PJ described it best when he mentioned that if Bynum wasn't a 7 footer...would he even be playing basketball? In other words, there was nothing to indicate that he was an athlete going by his basketball skill and physical conditioning.

The Lakers received a blank check when they drafted Bynum. Or a piece of clay. What Bynum becomes is what the Lakers make him. Right now, he a far way from being that power player. He needs true stregnth.

mike


One more Bynum thing:

Bynum is a naturally heavy set guy. Left to himself he would blow up. And not in terms of Shaq O'Neil. But more like Tractor Taylor. Or Stanley Roberts.

Here's an idea of what I'm talking about:

"A hulking 7-footer, Stanley Roberts has the size and skills to be an impact center in the NBA, but after showing promise in one season with Orlando and one with the Clippers, a weight problem and injuries hampered his effectiveness through the next four years."

Look at Bynum's high school and McDonald's photo and that's Stanley Roberts. What I'm saying is that Bynum has been body building to look like he does now. Again, there's a difference between body building and power lifting. I suspect that Kwame Brown has a natual body but he enhanced it by doing some power lifting. Hence the stregnth. It's genetics, too.

mike

Brandon....

Andrew Bynum is better right now that Michael Olowokandi ever was. Besides, I believe I see in him a desire to be great, not just good. Baby is going to be alright!!

Brandon,

There is still a possibility that the Lakers could end up with both Bynum and KG.

Since KG is the Timberwolves main man, they are not likely to trade him, unless they get some outrageous offer. At this time, Chicago and LAL appear to be in the lead for KG's services.

However, if the rumors about Chicago being interestd in Pau Gasol are true, and a deal happens, then the Lakers would appear to be the frontrunner for KG.

Or, if Minnesota again finishes out of the play-offs, and has a chance to rebuild around a young big like Greg Oden (or one of the others), the Timberwolves GM then might change direction and start rebuilding with young players.

Eric Pincus confirmed that KG can opt-out the summer of '08. So, if KG ever tires of losing and decides to go for broke, he might become more willing to force the issue. Obviously, he would want to go to a team that has a realstic chance. By summer 2008, the Lakers should be even closer to a shot at the title, depending on who they add this coming summer ('07).

These are all arguments that have been repeated ad nauseum over the past months. I like Garnett a lot, but dont think that tearing up the current team to acquire him is a practical move. The same argument applies to J Kidd, unless NJ decides to have a fire sale and accept all of our expiring contracts and a couple role players.

There is an exceptional draft coming up. With some of the spare parts we have, it might be possible to trade up.

However, it's more likely that we would trade out or trade down. This team does not need more rookies. It needs just one or two quality veteran players to become a true title contender.

There are two very good free agent crops coming this summer ('07) and next ('08). Based on the team's current cap figures, acquiring a free agent is going to be difficult. Some significant players may have to be moved. If, for instance, the Lakers were able to find a taker for Kwame, it might allow the team an opportunity to bring back a reasonably priced free agent in exchange.

But, there are many ways to wheel and deal and Mitch is undoubtedly on the phone with other teams every day. He probably has a sense of who is available before that fact become public knowledge. So I would give him the benefit of the doubt in making the right move to improve this team. He recently stated that he wants to resign Mihm, Walton and Smush. That makes perfect sense, if for no other reason than maintaining their trade value. But he has not said what he wants to do with Brown or Radmanovic--and likely has not made a decision. Therefore, pieces like Brown & Radman may be available to trade. Whether Mitch can successfully convert our spare pieces and draft picks into quality free agents is yet to be determined, but I wish him good luck.

Personally, I still like the Artest-Billups idea.
Billups is a quality player and would probably be a good fit in the triangle.

With Artest, what you see is what you get, a very athletic player--who is a head case. Reportedly, he is wearing out his welcome in SAC, so there is no way to tell whether he will be moved or allowed (encouraged) to opt-out at season end.
As LAL Fan pointed out, Artest could be a disruptive influence if he joined the Lakers. Yes, that is true! But then again, if he can be
motivated by PJ and others, he might be the right gamble to help turn us from contenders to champs.

Since SAC is not likely to want to deal him to the Lakers, the best option may be to wait for Artest to opt-out this summer, in which case, the Lakers could work a deal directly with him, without having to negotiate with Sacramento.

By the way, Gerald Wallace, Rashard Lewis, Grant Hill, Jamaal Maglore and PJ Brown are some of the '07 free agent forwards who might help the Lakers, and, in addition to Billups, Mo Williams and Steve Blake are F/A guards who might be of interest.

Edwin,

YW. It would only be 2 years on Kidd? You dont see Showtime with Kidd if he stays injury free?

take care.

bd

LOL Edwin Gueco, I'm not sure if I'll blog tonight.

True strength comes from within, lol.

My opinion on Bynum is that it's a win win. I seriously doubt he'll turn into a scrub with PJ as his coach, KAJ as his mentor, and Kobe Bryant (with his work ethic on display) as a teammate...the possibility imo is slim. As it is he's already serviceable (which imo is really all we need from him, and better defense of course, with the one of the greatest player to ever play the game in Kobe, and versatility in LO)...so if he attains no more than that (god forbid)...that's still a 7'1 fundamentally sound (he holds the ball up high, that's fundamentals) defensively growing big man...you want to have that. Even as raw as he is now...he's already getting bigs everywhere in foul trouble! Plus with our history, I'm gnashing at a future of Bynum, and dominace...keep in mind this organization has always know what it takes, and have always gotten what it takes to win...if it means Bynum, or someone else...trust me, we'll get them/keep em.

Mike T,

TU 4 the pictures in time on Andrew. Great Job.

bd

I can't speak for mike, but I did follow the argument about strength. As he gets size, he WILL get strength as well. But there's a difference in training for size verses training for strength. I suppose what Mike is saying is that socks will be training more like a bodybuilder for a while until he packs on enough size, from there, he will switch to more HIT style (High Intensity Training) which will develop more power.

In truth, I suspect he does a little of each. Though his speed and power are obviously underdeveloped at this point.

My guess as to what mike meant was that he hasn't gotten accustom to his newfound size. I'm not totally in agreement there.

Andrew Z,

Good point. They rolled the dice and came up big.

bd

Mike Ten...

Thanks for the links and photos of Drew. I agree that he has a long way to go, but he is off to a good start at age 19.

I agree with AK on Nash, the guy is amazing and doesn't choke in the playoffs. He is more valuable to the Suns than Kobe is to the Lakers because of the system they run in Phoenix and the fact he handles the ball so often.

Now with the return of Odom and soon butterfinger Brown, it will be intereseting to see if the defernse and rebounding improve like most on this blog think it will. The other thing to look for is to see how the reduction in playing time impacts players such as Bynum, Cook and Turiaf. I suspect as long as the Lakers keep winning games, everything will be happy in Laker land but time will tell.

AK/BK I know there is a definate opinion on here that the lakers need to improve their defense, which I agree with if that means stopping penetration and reducing offensive rebounds, but my question is can you ask Phil what the lakers are doing to WORK on these things?

I agree with your observations on Bynum that based on b'ball skills he's not yet there. But to correlate it with his weight that's like analyzing a boxer not ready to be in heavyweight because he's still a light heavyweight. Not all 7 footers and heavy became good players in NBA, like this Tractor, Fortson, Ostertag, Benoit Benjamin or Rooks they're all big as Bynum but did not gel during their prime time. I think it's more on his basketball abilities to play in the post, to manage contact fouls, to practice court management within 40 minutes, to continue developing new skills like his teacher could elevate his career to new heights but not just weight and strenght alone. Secondly, I'm just laughing cuz' you sounded like Dr. Jovy in prescribing players their required weights and strenght to play 5, i forgot that I'm talking to Mister Tee who is a great observer in games but gives too much credence on the coach style of motivation or criticisms to his players.

bd:

Did the Lakers actually make a written offer to trade for Jason Kidd? He would be a great addition and super mentor for Farmar. I didn't see that anywhere. Do you have a link or more details? Thanks.

Tom

mike t.

thanks for the pix. they were good for a laugh.

the high school pix looks like gary coleman's head on willis' body. the mcdonald's pic looks like he thought it was an all you could eat burger contest. draft day looking like tracy morgan.

drew really is a chameleon and we really don't know what he'll end up like. i just hope he learns something each and everyday. hope he didn't forget the tyson chandler secret to rebounding in 3 days.

we just need to remember that he's 19 and only going to get better and stronger.

Brandon:

Thanks for the link to Mitch’s comments posted on HoopsWorld.com. I thought it was actually great that he spoke about wanting to sign Luke, Smush, and especially Chris Mihm. I support all three moves at the right price.

While I would rather see Kwame in the starting lineup at this point for defense and rebounding, I love Luke and his game and think he will continue to be a big contributor. And even though I was the chairman of the Start-Farmar Bandwagon, Smush has shown me enough with his improved attitude and play for me to want to see us re-sign him, too.

The best news in my mind, however, was that Mitch was looking to re-sign Chris Mihm. I know he has been the forgotten player and Mike T’s whipping boy ever since we got Kwame, but everybody forgets how well Chris was playing right before he got injured. In a way, the injury has turned out to be a triple blessing for the Lakers. First, Kwame got a chance to play. Second, it gave Andrew a chance to grow. And now third, it may give the Lakers an opportunity to keep a talented and valuable role player who they would not have been able to afford had he not gotten injured.

Finally, I keep thinking back to the Suns series last year and how we could have beaten them for sure with Chris able to play. He still may have the most polished offensive low post game on the team and would be a great backup to Andrew, since Kwame’s future has to be as our power forward due to the size of his salary. But what a front court roster we would have with Bynum and Mihm at center, Kwame and Ronny at Power Forward, and Lamar and Luke at small forward – and Cook and Vlade to come in and provide instant offense.

Everybody says that the NBA is turning into a perimeter players league but I think the Lakers are going to show them that that prognosis is a little premature. Can’t run as easily when you can’t get a rebound and are always taking the ball out of bounds after made shots. And can’t penetrate to the hoop when there always are two 7-footers guarding the hoop.

Tom

M.T.
Man, when you get down on a guy you really get down on him.

Take a breath. Most high schoolers take until they are about 22/23 to find their way, if they ever find it in the NBA. D. Howard was a prodigy, as was Amare.

If the younger Lakers are inconsistent now it's not a suprise. We are the ones that are too impatient. Luke is just coming into his own as an experienced NBA player and he will probably never be a great man-on-man defender - like most players today.

Let the Lakers learn before you burn them.

haha mike t.

you've sparked our very own nurture vs. nature debate about Bynum...

BrandonC:

Don’t forget about Kevin Love, the 7-foot center from Oswego, Oregon and son of Stan Love and nephew of the Beach Boys Mike Love. He was the most coveted center in his class and already has a much-more NBA ready game than Oden. Love will attend UCLA next year and then probably go to the NBA. He is said to be the best rebounder and outlet passer since Wes Unseld. Can you say Bill Walton with more muscles and the same BB IQ?

Most experts rate him over O.J. Mayo, who some say is the next LeBron and who will be spending his freshman year across town at USC. There should be some great Bruin vs. Trojan basketball games next year. They should both get the Pac 10 some well-deserved respect with the biased East Coast dominated sports media.

Tom

I noticed that Gasol isn't playing tonight (Spurs/Memphis). Does anyone think a trade's about to happen? I know it won't be with us but I'm still interested.

dave m

bd:

I agree with you 100% on Bynum. He is going to be the next great Lakers center. He has the height and length to be a great shot blocker and the best hands I have ever seen on a big man. He almost never drops a pass or rebound once he touches it. He has the hands that would make Kwame the second coming of Akeem the Dream if he had hands like that. You’re right that getting Bynum was the steal of the draft and as big a move for the Lakers franchise as drafting Magic or Worthy. Anybody who cannot see the greatness in the kid is missing the excitement and anticipation of seeing into the future. We are watching the development of the next great Laker center. There is no deal that would pass the salary cap that any team in the league could make at this point to trade for Bynum. And even if they could offer a deal that would work, no way would Jerry and Jim Buss bite. He will win more rings in purple and gold than Shaq did.

Tom

Miami is down big time to the Knicks, yes the Knicks, at MSG. 110-85 with about 6 minutes to go in the fourth. Shaq hasn't done much, but The DivaWade has 37 points, on 10-22 from the field and 17-21 from the line. Sound familiar? Jamal Crawford tore DWade a new one, hitting 16 straight shots on his way to 52 points, most of which came at the Diva's expense. Shaq's new name should be the Big Roger, ala Roger Clemens. Like Roger,Shaq only wants to play half a season. I still have the feeling that before all is said and done,though, Miami will be right there in the battle for the East.

Tim:

I think you and Mike are absolutely right about Bynum’s physical development. When you look at the improvement in his body and physic over the last two years and in his game on the court, it is amazing for a player of any age. Then when you consider what he is doing on the court now and he is still only nineteen and the youngest player in the NBA, how can you not think of greatness as he develops into a mature player? He already is among the upper half of the centers in the NBA and he is just really starting to learn and grow and develop.

The Next Great Lakers Center. Mikan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Bynum! Believe it.

Tom

BD,

Kidd is now 34. In NBA, that's equivalent to turning to 62 ready for Social Security haha! After two years' time at 36, it will be diminishing returns like Aaron Mckie, who was one time the best shooters in 2001 playoffs.

Last night, I was watching Jason Kidd in the Clippers game, you can see that he could not keep with young defenders, he missed a lot of crucial shots in the end together with Vince. However, I would invest two good years on him, after the second year let's upp the pay or with option to terminate, how's that?

Another thing is that these young drafts are really fast and great shooters like this Monta Ellis, wow we missed that opportunity. There will be more BD, so I think two years is too long to invest on 34 year old. that's just my take.

jamal crawford lit dwade up for 52 20-30 only 4 ft. wade had 37 with 17 free throws. wonder what kobe could do to him if wade would actually cover him for entire game.

Faith in my treo,

You're OK, everything is coming out fine. We need you there for the fence///// the fence/////. Got to remind them on their defense.

What no one has been talking about, but NEEDS to be talking about is that we are playing THIS good without Lamar and Kwame. This is no statement against the Package and Lord Kwame. This is a statement to how well the rest of the team has stepped up.

When the Package and Lord Kwame return in full health and conditioning, we are clearly better than Dallas. I mean that.

GO LAKERS!

LakerTom,

Rod Thorn of the Nets is torn between his two superstars to trade Kidd or Carter. I think the latter is a better deal. Have you heard the three teams trade i.e Clippers offer Maggette + Livingston i.e Maggette going to Memphis + 1strd; Livingston to Nets + Gasol and lastly, Carter + Marcus Williams to Clippers. So if Nets trade Kidd as well in exchange of the expiring contracts, don't you think that will create chemistry problem or rebuilding during midway of the season. It's exciting but hard to put up a good chemistry for so short a time with new fresh horses.

Before the Laker game starts, I want to vent out a little frustration regarding the Phoenix Suns. As I am watching the Phoenix Suns at Milwaukee Bucks game, I realized that the Bucks are missing two of their best players in Michael Redd and Mo Williams. What frustuates me is that this is not the first time during the 15 game winning streak where this Suns team has faced opponents with missing stars on the opposing teams.

With this being said, how can I respect such a winning streak when they are playing handicapped teams. Lets look at these previous matchups.

New York Knicks: Stephan Marbury, Steve Francis
Minnesota Timberwolves: Kevin Garnett
Houston Rockets: Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady
Seattle Sonics: Rashard Lewis
Miami Heat: DWade, Shaq, Posey, Walker
Detroit Pistons: Chauncey Billups

With this being said, is it possible that the Basketball Gods are on the Phoenix Suns Side?


Laker Tom,

Foxsports.com under rumors. Peter Vecsey wrote the article today. Yes the lakers did make an official offer. At least we know Mitch is trying to do something.

Take Care.

bd

 


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