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Know Thy Enemy: Los Angeles Clippers

Los Angeles Clippers: 47-35 (Sixth in Western Conference)
Big Gains:
Signed Tim Thomas (inducing head shaking from both K brothers) and Aaron Williams. Drafted Paul Davis.
Big Losses: Vladimir Radmanovic.

Labeling 2006's "Clippers ahead of the Lakers" finish as a sign of the impending apocalypse might be an overstatement, but it justifiably unsettled many an NBA fan. Among other reasons, chew on this subsequent development: From May 8-22 (the Western Conference semifinals), the Clippers were playing basketball while the Lakers were playing golf, which kinda made Billy Crystal cooler than Jack Nicholson. And I don't blame anybody who finds such results terrifying.

Granted, Jack is about to appear in a Marty Scorsese gangster flick and Billy Crystal is apparently directing himself in a movie nobody will give a crap about. So in that sense, a natural order of sorts has been restored. But just because Hollywood regained its equilibrium doesn't mean the NBA will follow suit. Yes, the Clips have a history of messing up every scattered bit of progress they've made throughout their illustrious history. But they've also never had so much progress to wreck. Nor as many good players to ensure said progress. Like it or not (and I'm guessing most of you vote "not"), in terms of the immediate future, the Clippers are likely here to stay, which will spark quite a battle for L.A.'s best hoops record.

Any quality team needs a cornerstone player, balance and depth. The Clippers are covered in every respect. The team's rock, Elton Brand, had spent his career putting up criminally unheralded 20-10's, but last season's combo of improved team and seriously improved jump shot attracted national attention. Brand was a dark horse MVP candidate in '06 (yours truly would have voted for him), and there's no reason to predict EB falling into a funk. He's paired up front with Chris Kaman, arguably the NBA's oddest cat, but also steadily improving into one of the league's best centers. Superior starting 4/5 duos may exist, but not enough to use every finger on one hand counting them.

Running the point is Sam Cassell, a ring-laden vet who infused the team with the kind of winner's perspective this young squad desperately needed. Counting on Motor Mouth's back to stay ungimpy is a crap shoot, but assuming "Sam I Am" is on the court, he provides smarts and serious gonads (which he loves to show off in a rather amusing celebratory dance). His minutes will theoretically remain sensible because of Shaun Livingston, starter-in-waiting. Livingston is glass-fragile and can't shoot a lick, but remains a very creative passer with outstanding court vision, and he's a pretty good defender. Between the two (hell, even solid third-stringer Daniel Ewing), the Clips have options.

Speaking of options, enough exist that it's hard to predict starters at a couple positions. Does Coach Mike Dunleavy go with shooter Cuttino Mobley or uber-skinny defensive specialist Quinton Ross at the two? Talking small forward, you can make an argument for Corey Maggette, sick both as a scorer and a patient (Dude's had some health issues.). Then again, Dunleavy could make Maggette a sixth man and let Tim Thomas stretch the floor for the starters. Personally, I consider the Clips giving TT long-term contract security the equivalent of giving Lindsay Lohan an open bar tab: Both will eventually abuse the privilege.

I fully expect Thomas to revert back to underachieving mode. But I doubt the Clips will get hurt by this signing as much as they'll just regret it. If nothing else, as long as Thomas simply hits the outside shot he loves, the loss of Radmanovic is offset. In the meantime, you're looking at a second unit of Livingston, Ross/Mobley, Maggette/Thomas (and wicked athletic James Singleton), Aaron Williams and Zeljko Rebraca. Not too shabby.   

Yes, these are the Clippers, possessing an infinite ability to screw things up. Take 2002-03, when the front office brain trust decided that instead of locking up even one impending free agent (Brand, LO, Andre Miller, Magette) as a sign of actual concern towards the future, it was better to let guys prove their worth, which turned into a roster padding stats for an inevitable excursion on the open market. And this offseason's unresolved no-brainer extensions for Dunleavy and Kaman (who's very loyal to Dunleavy) do smack a bit of three seasons ago. But I have a feeling Elgin Baylor isn't itching to follow up his "NBA executive of the year" season by unraveling everything that won it for him. Just saying this takes getting used to, but I suspect the Clippers will handle their business.

The Verdict: BK and I have written up eight consecutive teams without implementing the phrase "better than the Lakers." The streak hath ended. I expect improvement from both teams and a competitive race. But all things being equal, the Clippers' superior depth and overall talent should amount to 3 to 5 more notches in the win column than the Lakers. But at least Billy Crystal won't be enjoying the season while filming "Analyze This and That."

AK

 
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The Clips may end up with more wins in the regular season than us. But I'm willing to bet that we take the season series!

>_<

i seriously dont think the clipps are better coz for one thing brand is tired and for the other sam i am is older.and when our team cliked we won 17 out of the 22 so....... it s closer than u put it .

BOO!

LOL

Faith,

Ah, my streak of never making you happy continues! haha.

AK

As much as I would like to disagree I really cant. The thing that will make the Lakers better is we will be better prepared in the postseason and we WILL go deeper into the postseason. The Clippers will have a better record but by the end of the season we will once again have the better team. I mean imagine Kwame,Bynum,Smush and LO all improving. This will happen towards the end of the season (Phil's way) and will carry on to the postseason (like this past season) but this time with experience under our belts and therefore moving on to the 2nd round while this time the Clips will lose (no more taking the easy Nuggets) to a better team. Better record wont mean better team. I expect a slow start but we will start our winning streaks around Christmas leading to the All-Star break and continuing after that. So that means bout 2 months (before X-mas) of good basketball and then 3-4 months of great basketball. Do not fear for we will once again be the Best in the West!!!

GO LAKERS

The clips? better than the lakers? are you serious...

Go Lakers

Of course, technically the Lakers were closer to beating the Suns in the playoffs than the Clips were... but of course league MVP candidate Kaman was injured, so it doesn't really count.

The CLIPPERS MAY WIN 3TO5 MORE GAMES THAN US BUT ONCE THE PLAYOFFS BEGIN THE LAKERS ARE BETTER PLAYOFF TEAM. SAM i AM WON'T BE ABLE TO PLAY AS WELL AS HE DID LAST YEAR BECAUSE HE IS OLDER. THIS YEARS LAKER TEAM SHOULD BE THE BEST TEAM WE HAVE HAD SINCE GP,KARL, AND SHAQ WHERE WITH US.

McGarnagle,

How do you figure the Lakers were closer than the Clippers to beating the Suns? Both series went 7 games (with the Lakers and Clips both getting blown out in the 7th). Just as the Lakers "were one rebound" away in game 6, the Clips were "one breakdown-some would say Dunleavy's- allowing Raja Bell to hit a 3 in the 1st OT with 1.1 left" from winning game 5 (with game 6's win giving them the series).

In the meantime, the Clips beat the Suns once by 25 and another by 12. The Lakers' 3 wins were by a COMBINED total of 14 points. The Lakers' largest margin of victory (7 points) in any game was the Clips' smallest for a win. The Clips' wins were, by and large, much more convincing.

And since you brought it up, yeah, they did it with Kaman injured.

AK

As a Clippers fan and a Lakers fan, I'm trying to be objective here.

Keep in mind that I grew up with the Lakers, born and raised in Los Angeles, born in 1970. I remember the Lakers before I remember any other sports team.

I love the Lakers.

I love the Clippers.

But the Lakers are a deeper part of me.

Still, the Clippers will finish higher in the standings next year.

The Lakers will go deeper into the playoffs.

And the two will meet in the playoffs.

That is my prediction.

Go Clippers!

GO LAKERS!

GO TEAM!

The Clippers are definitely a more reliable team at this point. The Lakers have many more question marks, and it is unlikely that they will all turn out positive this year.

Kind of a no-brainer if you ask me.

Nice analysis.

You're fortunate you posted this thread after a lot of people went home from work, I'm guessing someone says something about your mom.

I was totally and completely shocked when I read that the streak of 'worse than' is over. I mean is just such a big surprise.

Andrew Z,

I'd like to think folks will hurl their criticism at me, but leave Mom out of it. She is, after all, a big time Laker fan herself.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2005/10/thoughts_from_m.html#more

AK

AK,

Has she ever mentioned anything about the quality of play, almost MVP-esque, of Elton Brand last year?

From what I gather the purple and gold colored glasses of many on this blog are equipped with cross-hairs.

Andrew Z,

Truth be told, Mom (like many folks) hadn't seen Brand play a whole lot before last year. But she was VERY impressed by him in the playoffs against the Suns and Nuggets. In her words, those series gave Elton "gravitas" (one of her favorite phrases).

Mom is actually very good at separating her Lakers rooting from opposing player evaluations. Thus, she has a few non-Laker favorites, including Nash, A.I., Melo and T-Mac (whom she always refers to as "Yao's friend," because she can't remember his name).

Her least favorites include Raja Bell, Mike Bibby (because he clips his toenails on the bench, which she sums up as "bad courtside hygiene") and Yao Ming (whom she likes as a person, but not a player and refers to as a "potted plant," which is her way of saying "just a very tall guy").

AK

AK,

How often do you call your mom and tell her how lucky you are? Seriously, it's not enough.

Andrew Z,

She is indeed a wonderful mom. BK and I tell her all the time.

AK

I can live with the 6th seed projection. I don't agree, and I think the Lakers are the better team, but I think it's close enough where I don't feel the need to attack AK or his mom or anyone else in his family. Some teams are more suited for the regular season...like the old Zo Heat teams. Thats how I think of these Clippers. This Clipper team is very solid, deep, and balanced....but theres something very "unscary" about this team. In the end, your superstars will carry you to the championship. Brand may be a legit MVP canidate, depending on how you gauge MVPs...but as a player he is not on the same level as kobe, lebron, wades. I think in the playoffs he showed how good he can be, but also how he cant simply just take over a game at the end. Depth and balance can only take you so far.....as seen by the Mavs last year, who were the deepest team in the league. They piled up the wins, but in the end, they needed Dirk to come through, and in the end, Wade carried his team to the Championship.
I will add tho, the X-factor this season could be Livingston, who I'm a big fan of. If he could get any type of reliable jumper and his twig of a body can stay healthy, this guy will soon be very very good. One of the few players who has truly great vision. And he's a very underated defender, and will be even better if he adds some muscle. In fact, his upside is the most on the team, his ceiling being even higher than Brand's. Thats how good he can be. But he's still a year or two away. Sam's still there and he needs to bulk up a bit and learn to shoot.
Still, I'm not too worried. The Lakers were playing much better basketball than the Clippers late last season. Lamar will again be key to our success. He was making such great strides, and I hope his tragic loss isnt too hard to overcome. But another reason the Lakers should be ranked higher is that the Clippers are essentially bringing back the same team while the Lakers made greater improvements this offseason. We needed Vlad's shooting badly and Evans will give us depth and stability in the backcourt (tho I must admit, I really wanted Guillermo Diaz with that second pick. =) but Evans is probably the smarter/safer pickup.)
I just think the Clips are one of those teams that look good on paper and will win games but is actually farther from winning the championship than the Lakers. I really hope the LA teams meet in the playoffs, that would be great.

And my money will be on the Lakers.

These videos are very good,I like how Kobe communicates with the interviewer and talks in a way that gets you into his conversation. There are interviews Kobe did in Taiwan:

In this one he talks about him trying to be one of the best defenders in the nba. About Vlad and Lamar, about versatility in the game, his relationship with Phil(do I believe him?oooooooohh mee doubting Kobe is that posible? haha) what 24 stands for, that he knows the international game because he grew up in Italy and many other things, very good interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvbxlBk5eLs&mode=related&search=

Does ESPN Asia also hates on Kobe? Who knows, because I don't understand what they are saying, haha
At the end of the video Kobe says that he has been a Laker fan since he was 3 years old:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhS_vRvgzrc&mode=related&search=



the Los Angeles CLIPPERS of 06-07 will again WILL have a worst record than the 05-06 CLIPPS.

I guess we have to wait and see. These CLIPPS cought a HOT streak and hung on last year. Elton Brand played his CAREER year and everybody was GELLING. There are 6 or 7 teams (Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Lakers, Rockets, Kings, even Wolves and Grizz if they had PAU) that I would take over CLIPPERS in the WEST. Tim Thomas is not build for this team and the GUARDS were already fighting over SHOTS at the end of the year last year. As for Sam I am, I wonder if he has another SEASON left in him cause they would need him EVERY step of the way.

AK,

When the Clippers with their "overall better talent" finish behind the Lakers as I think they will - What will you say then? the only advantage the Clippers have had is continuity, its not talent this year. We'll see what happens.

AK

how about throwing in a head to head against PJ and Mike D. I know it boils down to the players winning the games themselves but PJ being arguably a better coach than Mike D might account for a couple of wins for the Lake show. Maggette coming off the bench will ultimately make him a disgruntled malcontent player. Also as you mentioned, Tim Thomas going rip van winkle with his new contract...im thinking might not make for good chemistry within clipper land.

im going on a limb here and say that we would probably have a better record than the staples step children....only because im a die hard laker fan. on paper though...we match up pretty well with those guys.

my two cents...=/

"You're fortunate you posted this thread after a lot people went home from work, I'm guessing someone says somethng about your mom"

It's comforting to know that people are getting their work done and earning their paychecks.

chuckle

Ah yes the Clippers. I love em'. We own em'. How many consecutive wins now? Oh, I lost count after 10 in a row.

And to know they are better than the Lakers? Well, I guess we'll just have to let this little cat fight proceed to determine who is tops in the Southland, for what that will be worth next year.

By the way, I noticed that your last pre-season game is on October 31st, against the Suns no less, and then you are on the road for your season opener the very next day. What's with that? Someone had their thinking cap on.

WiZo, I can't say that arguing that depth "only" took a team to the NBA finals, where they lost at least partially because of the worst reffing I've seen in the finals in a decade, isn't the most convincing argument I've heard. I think the Brothers K have it about right; the Clips have more talent and more depth than the Lakers do. If they stay healthy, they'll finish with a better record than we do. After that, who knows, but that team is built to go far.

And except for Cassell, they're not that old. Buggers should be around for a while. I don't even think losing Radmanovich will hurt them that much, even if Thomas puts away his complete game now that he's been paid. He can still shoot, and that's all Vlad can do anyway.

Wow the NBA season is right around the corner. Kobe has been working with Smush Parker on his jumpshot (and hopefully his defense). Lamar is gonna be an All-star this year I can feel it. Having both an Improved Kwame and Chris Mihm will help out, also Vlads and Mo Evans shooting is gonna help us out significantly. I just hope the team at least gives Profit a chance to make the team I really think he can help us this year.

FYI re: Kobe Taiwan interview.

Kobe's Chinese name, according to this TV news cast, is xiao fei kuai, little flying fast. I assume it means fast flyer..

This is a good match up since there was a shift of players i.e. Vlad to Lakers and Tim Thomas to Clips., other than that, there are really no significant changes. It's the old guards who will provide the firepower. I think the Lakers will have the edge because of Kobe and Odom while Clips will rely more on Brand, Mobley and Cassell. The rest are all role players. The Clippers are younger and more agile tho' of course we don't know much how the new acquisitions of the Lakers will pan out in the season, I'm referring to Williams, Evans, Farmar and Pinnock.

If I were Mitch K., I could have invested on Sam Cassell at $6.9M as a tutor/player for our young guards. You can't teach experience but it can be transferred from one player to another better than the instruction of bench coach gojng back to the time of Byron Scott to Kobe, then Ron Harper motivated Kobe and restrained by Brian Shaw who also motivated other young players. I believe Sam Cassell could be a good teacher for he was responsible in the success of the Clips last season acting as the court general to Brand, Kaman, Livingston and the others, although he recognized Brand as the Superstar and the leader of the team. He may be one step slower to slow down Nash or Barbosa but he was able to act as an efficient facilitator or shoot the three in the timely manner that may be responsible in extending the playoffs with the Suns to a 7-game series. You could really imagine how Sam Cassell would play in the triangle. At present, the Lakers will be depending with one another as their on-the-job training and will blend with Kobe as the most experienced Laker in implementing the triangle when the ball is in play.

The road to 55 wins will be determined by Lakers performance against their downtown rival. It will be an exciting series and Clips could also win the series. We are fortunate in Los Angeles to have two NBA teams, two Baseball teams, two Hockey teams but we shunned the NFL who has taken for granted the Greater Los Angeles area since 1994. Perhaps, that's the reason why the majority do not care to read NFL blog.

Is it me or what but I see an oppurtunity to move some players to Memphis to make some room for some of our young talent. Memphis needs a center over there badly with Gasol down, why cant we move Mimh, cook & mckee to them for Hasim Warrick and some future picks. I think thats a good trade for every one involved. Warrick is a good young athletic player that we could use of the bench. he has a Darius Miles type wirey body frame and is athletic and he doesnt come with the bad rep that Miles has. What memphis gets in return is a decent center in Mihm and a shooter in cook and some leadership with Mckee. Mitch lets get this done man

There is no way you can logically place the Lakers over the Clippers going into the season. AK notes all the reasons.

However, the key to winning a championship is the word TEAM, not the individuals.

This is where it gets interesting because you tend to look at the Clippers as individuals. As noted, these individuals were having some problems with each other by the end of the year (the exit of Vlad should be one indication). The Lakers have less individuals, but may 'gel' as a team better because Mitch has built the team more like a jigsaw puzzle.

The Clips have depth, but how much flexibility does each player have. The Lakers have less front line depth, but I submit they have more flexibility. Different skill sets mean the coach has to be better to take advantage of them. I submit Phil is better at this. While Dunleavy can put them out to play, Phil will have to be a chessmaster to win games. Can Phil do this? I hope that is what Jerry is paying him for.

The Clips are just deeper than the Lakers and to me don't seem to be more improved. I'm not a believer in TT because he doesn't have any heart. He's lucky, but in the end, luck always runs out. He's going to be tanking it a third into the season. So w/ that assessment, the Clips have not improved in my eyes. Their in the same boat as the Lakers waiting for their young talent to develop. Livingston, Singleton, Ewing, and Kaman Vs. Vlad, LO, Smush, Bynum, and Kwame. The Lakers improvements must come from these guys which are mostly starters. The Clips improvements are going to come from the reserves. It's hard to imagine that they're starters will improve much. Cat, Cassell, Maggette, and Brand basically have all peaked. OK, maybe not Brand, he still can improve. I still agree w/ the assessment because of their depth and thats the only reason I'd spot the Clips 5-7 games. We'll just have to wait and see. Oh yeah, injuries are always a player during the season. We need some luck and just consistency. Can't wait for the season to start.

dref

lakofan,

That interview with Kobe is amazing! What a treat!

GO LAKERS!

Since the Basketball Thread is no longer the current thread I am going to post my reply to the various responses to me from yesterday, right here.

First, let me re-state (I have multiple times before.) the function of a player does not change the position of that player. Here's a simple example for you. Dirk N. is an excellent perimeter shooter known for knocking down 3-pointers. He has a very strong perimeter game overall. However, has anyone ever called him a small forward? He functionally has played (before Avery took over) more away from the basket, yet you never heard anyone calling him a shooting guard or small forward. That is because his function is not the same as his position. Those are entirely 2 different things.

Thus, to say that a player is functionally playing a point guards role, doesn't change the fact of what they are positionally lineup. In all the years that Scottie played in Phil's system he was never called a point guard. He was called a point forward. If he didn't create that title....he sure revolutionized it. In fact, LeBron James may be the closest example to another point forward in the league. It's not based on size either, because if that was the case, Magic Johnson would have NEVER been considered a point guard. However, Magic (Penny did it too) because of their abilities were point guards.

What I am simply trying to say is that in a system it is not about positions it is about functions. That is not just a Triangle Offense thing, it is true in whatever the offense. For instance for some teams, because of them having a point guard that is also a very strong shooter, that point guard may functionally shoot a lot. Therefore, for that team, the point guard actually has functional characteristics that overlap both the traditional functions of a point guard as well as a shooting guard. They are STILL positionally a point guard, it's just that their function is different. The same way, for some teams the point guard has a strong function of being a passer. That doesn't make that player more of a point guard than any other....which some try to intimate. It simply means that functionally that player tends to be more in line with the traditional functions assigned to point guards.

This should not be a hard concept to grasp with all of the changes that have taken place in the NBA since the arrival of several international players. Because of their skill levels and strengths, most international players are functionally doing things that are not in line with seemingly the traditional positions they play based on the traditional perspective of the game of basketball. That doesn't make it wrong or right....just different.

That being said, I saw a crazy comment about Steve Nash and Magic Johnson which I would like to address. First, I don't believe that Steve Nash would be a good fit for the Triangle Offense AS RAN BY PHIL JACKSON for a few reasons. First, he is much smaller than Phil prefers his facilitators to be. Secondly, he plays more of an uptempo game and not the half-court methodical game the Triangle caters to. Finally, he prefers to drive and kick which is not a major aspect of the offense. Instead the triangle offense is more about positions on the floor, passing and motion. As facilitator it would require Steve Nash to do more standing at the perimeter moving the ball around from inside out....which is not what he normally likes to do as seen by his previous seasons in the league.

As for Magic, obviously he would be the facilitator. To even question whether I would agree with that is crazy. He has the height, passing, and floor awareness to excel at that. In fact, the Lakers ran a similar post offense with Kareem back in the day. To question that shows that you still don't understand what I am saying.

As for Kobe being at the 3....I don't freakin care!!!! You are making a huge deal out of nothing. If Phil wants to put him in the position where MJ was to conserve his energy and get him easier shots....by all means do it. My only thing has been that he is our best facilitator right now and he demonstrated in the playoffs that he can still get his points and actually conserve energy by handling that function. Plus, if Kobe is moved away from the facilitator function, who will facilitate? Some of you will say that Farmar will, however, how can you feel comfortable having a rookie fill a function for an offense that has been said to take at least a full season to grasp? If it took MJ and Pippen a full year to grasp their roles, what makes you think that a rookie, already facing new issues simply by being a rookie, is going to grasp it well enough to run it efficiently? Besides, what happens when he messes up? Plus, is he going to play 48 minutes? Who will handle the facilitator function when he is on the bench if Kobe is playing on the weakside?

Sure, I watched many if not all of those Bulls games from the 6 years in which championships were won (WGN showed most of the games). I saw the ease for which Jordan got his shots. However, a lot of that was a result of Scottie facilitating the offense with such efficiency that Jordan could play on the weakside off the ball. Kobe has NEVER had a facilitator on the team to afford him the same luxury. MAYBE Farmar will become that person, but I doubt it will happen this season. Plus, I still have a problem with his height. Phil likes tall players to be his facilitators. He also likes tall guards because he likes to have their functions defensively be interchangeable. For instance, the Pistons have an ideal 3-some of Billups, Hamilton and Prince. All 3 are interchangeable defensively. That makes it very easy to handle switches and pick-n-rolls. When you have a smaller player at any of those 3 positions, it lessens this area because somewhere you may end up with a mismatch against you.

Is any of this making sense to any of you?????

rayray,

I don't know if you did this on purpose, but this is what you said: "These CLIPPS cought a HOT streak and hung on last year. Elton Brand played his CAREER year and everybody was GELLING."

If you replace "CLIPPS" with Lakers and "Elton Brand" with Kobe, you get the Laker's season.

Sorry to say, but barring injuries, the Clips will unfortunately end up with a better regular season record than us. They're just too deep. Don't worry, we'll crush 'em in the playoffs.

Well, both teams are are largely intact from last year, and last year the Clips were ahead of the Lakers in the regular season and went deeper into the playoffs.

On the other hands, the Lakers came together later in the season, and at the end of the year were playing at least as well as the Clips. And they both lost to Phoenix in 7 games.

It seems to be a toss up who is better.

I would go with Clips only because I think the Lakers are counting on more question marks - LO, Smush, Kwame.

But the Clips are overrated and the Lakers underrated because of comparison to their respective pasts. They are pretty even, and the Lakers, with Kobe, have more 3 year upside.

Calling all members of the 55+ win bandwagon, please let this dude know the clippers ain't got nothing on us this season.

Sure Brand is nice, and sure I almost cried when the bulls traded him but we got Kobe and they don't. So for that reason you can place the clippers under the lakers, same as any other team in the west.

Speaking of Kobe, new coach Nelly said if he could pick 1 player it'd be MJ or Kobe ... and umm being he's been out of the league a while we'll give him a pass ... cuz Kobe's the obvious choice. Seriously, have I told you guys how great this guy is gonna be ... I mean he's pretty good already ... but his story is just beginning ... all hail #24 ... and umm much love to Odom, Kwame, Smush, Cookie, Walton, Sasha and the rest of our killer squad.

In Kobe We Trust,
Go Lakers

Hey my fellow bloggers! I've barely been on here recently because of college football starting up and the NFL. But, I'll be back blogging on a daily basis come October when NBA training camp starts up. Great post today AK, I'm saddened to say that yes the Clips are better than the Lakers. But, I think when the teams match up head to head the games can go either way.

In the meantime, here's the latest article from the blog's 5th favorite journalist lol. I'm also covering my first tennis tournament this weekend, wish me luck! http://www.alligator.org/pt2/060914tennis.php

Lakofan,

How did you find those Kobe interviews? Did you search Youtube or is there a site that's archiving material from the Asia tour?

AK

Think I forgot the Nelly on Kobe link ... scroll to the bottom

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_4335110

In Kobe we Trust,
Go Lakers

Good Luck, Xodus!

AK,

I found them on youtube, but in the search I just wrote Kobe and on sort by is date added and it came up like in the 3rd page or so, but actually I clicked on a different video and that one was on the related videos.


This is a good one too, at the beginning talking about his nba rings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2dtAqT3OHk

lakofan,

Great link. One of Kobe's best interviews. 24 has grown up before our eyes. Celebrate every day... damn right.

AK

Yeah, but the Lakers are much better looking than the Clippers. The camera can't pull back far enough to hide Kaman.

lakofan,

Great links. Amazing how the Asians are still celebrating the 81 pointer. I like the first link where they're talking in a language I don't understand but one thing I did understand, which is: "Mr. 81" LOL...I got that.

What a great plan to remake Kobe's image. Everything is new. Expect big things from Kobe and the Lakers in the coming season. Well, now we all know what the 24 stands for. 24 hours in a day...appreciate it while you can.

KOBE, MR. 81...appreciate it while it's here.

mike

Mike T,

"Yeah, but the Lakers are much better looking than the Clippers. The camera can't pull back far enough to hide Kaman."

That's very funny. It reminds me of that scene from "Tootsie" where Dustin Hoffman is taking his screen test in drag.

"Rita: I'd like to make her look a little more attractive, how far can you pull back?

Cameraman: How do you feel about Cleveland?"

AK

Lakofan,

Thanks. Nice job finding them.

AK

JJ,

You make sense. I disagree with your idea that the Triangle must have a tall guard. Phil does like tall players as guards, but he knows it wouldn't be very smart to limit himself to taller guards. Especially if the smaller guard has a better, more fundamentally sound game.

The Bulls used small guards all the time. From John Paxson to Steve Kerr to Randy Brown. Those guys were effective players for the Bulls. It wasn't until Ron Harper came that Phil started using the taller point guard. Harper was a gifted player, a step below MJ and Dominique, and he was fundamentally sound even though he had lost a step. Harper was a very smart player, he knew where to pick his spots. His intelligence came from over 10 years of NBA experience. Harper was a special player. He revolutionized the idea of what a point guard should be in the Triangle.

I don't see anything relating to Ron Harper in Smush except maybe his height; Harper was taller. When Harper was Smush's age, he was averaging over 22 points a game. Smush struggles to average 11. Again, Smush is a good baller, he's not on Ron Harper's level, and he cannot fill Harper's role in the Triangle mentally or physically.

The question I wonder about is whether we want to go with a young inexperienced group of point guards led by Smush? Or do we want a group of young point guards led by Shammond?

My opinion is that Smush will still have a good career in the NBA, it's just not going to be with the Lakers. The Lakers need to move in a different direction in order to win a championship sooner rather than later. Shammond can provide valuable leadership for Sasha and Farmar, while providing more efficient play and stability at the PG position.

In response to the Clippers Preview....

First let me throw this out there....What is the big deal if the Clippers actually do have a better team than the Lakers? What is the big deal if they do finish ahead of the Lakers this season?

Honestly, the Clippers have NEVER been a rivalry with the Lakers imply because a rivalry requires that both sides win at some point. The Clippers have never been on the winning end of a series with the Lakers and have no championships since coming to LA to show for it. Instead, the Clippers have always been the team trying to get out of the cellar. They had a great-inspiring season last year. I'm glad for them. They may follow it up again this season. I will be glad for them. However, unless they are instilling a winning tradition within the organization and thereby improving the perception of those viewing the team on the outside, this good fortune will end with these players. It takes a long time to build a winning traditional in an organzation. Look at the Celtics. They have allowed their winning tradition to be totally destroyed to the point that no one even cares about the banners in the rafters when they enter Boston. It use to be that team feared Boston because of the winning tradition. That has been gone for years now. It takes along time to restore it when it's gone.

That being said, I believe that they will have another good season this year. They don't seem to have championship written over them simply because they don't seem to have that championship spirit. Sam Cassell is the main if not only championship presence on the team. However, what some fail to remember is that even he was yet a young reserve during those 2 titles in Houston. It isn't like he was a key starter on those two titles. I don't see that fire from their players like you see with champions. I noticed Brand during the FIBA games and he remains one of the most consistent players in the game, yet it all seems just like a routine and not something special to behold. Tim Duncan could be classified in the same way, yet he has shown at just the right time, that he does have the fire needed to raise to that special level.

Bottomline I hope that they do well and have no issue with them...except of course when going head to head against the Lakers.

Rocky,

You missed what i was saying.

First, can we please stop this habit of everytime someone is compared to a player from the past we quickly say that they have nothing in common with that person and we stop right there and close up? I am not saying that he is the second coming of Ron Harper. I am simply saying that there are similarities in his attributes and harpers that make him a reasonable fit at that position for us. Does he do what Ron did as well as Ron did it, no! But, he does have the ability to drive, quick hands and feet, a decent perimeter shot and an explosive first step to the basket. He needs to improve in his mid range jumper which I believe that he will.

As to your comment about big guard....you are confusing to separate statements.

My statement about Farmar being shorter than Phil's liking is directed at the belief that he should be the new facilitator of the offense. That is a true statement backed by past experiences with the Bulls and Lakers. As the other guard (filling the position....not function....of the point guard) sure Farmar could work out. The function only requires movement and solid shooting.

Defensively, I still would have a problem with him because he is shorter but that's possibly still workable in time. However, it isn't a suprise that Phil Jackson feel s that way about smaller guards as a whole. He let Lue go because he was so short. He likes big guards...

The big chill,

In regards to your trade with Memphis, I don't think they would give up Warrick, and two, what young talent do we have that we need to make room for? We are closer to competing for a championship than we are to a total rebuild where we need to give ample minutes to our youth, playing Jordan Farmar and Andrew Bynum more than a few minutes a game would put us right back in the lottery, especially with an improved Western Conference.

I'm cool with just leaving this team the way it is for now, rolling the dice, and seeing what we come up with.

im going to have to disagree with rocky on the idea that shammond will provide more stability than smush. shammond has spent the last few years in europe while smush spent all of the 05-06 season plus the playoffs as the lakers starting point gaurd. i feel smush is much more experienced than shammond. plus shammond was signed for only a year which means he will probably be playing for another team at the end of the season or he'll be back in europe.

Lakofan,

You are really the blog video webmaster. That's a great discovery on Kobe interview.

As I said before, the Lakers are one of the most popular teams in Asia. If basketball is only a 3rd sport priority here in US, in Asia it's the No. 1 even more popular than soccer or called the real football. There, they don't watch all the games since they don't have the local channels, more on ESPN or National Telecasts and playoffs and Finals due to expensive satellite feed.

Greek dude-

NO, what you see is what I was intending to write. I kinda see the 05-06 CLIPPS as the 04-05 SONICS (Maybe alittle better, just alittle). I believe last year was a LUCKY season for the CLIPPS were ever thing went RIGHT. then again they'll be fighting for a 8th SPOT. As for the LAKERS, I think Lamar Odom (the initiator of the TRAIANGLE) started figuring out the OFFENSE and Chris Mihm injury showed the LALs, KWAME would be much more productive as a CENTER than a PF.

Clipps are DEEP?
Where does everybody think the Clipps are DEEP:

Who's backing up Brand, who's backing up Kaman, Who's backing up Mobley, here is 2, 4, and 5 position and their most legitimate BACK UP is REBRACA??? I just see a team with too many SMALL FORWARDS and no back up big man. WOW, Clippers are deep ha?


RayRay,

You're forgetting about Aaron Williams, who's a good backup big. Between him and Rebraca, that's pretty solid at the 4/5 coming off the bench.

Mobley's backup at the 2 is Quinton Ross, who's an excellent defender and can burn you if you leave him open. Or Ross might start and you have Mobley coming off the bench. But either way, that's a good set up. Plus, they can play Livingston at the 2, which they sometimes do.

Again, they're a pretty deep team.

AK

AK,

I didn't understand your last post, unless there's another Mike T.

mike

but it was funny.

mike

Good point JJ.

Some part of me shudders at the thought that for now the Clips MIGHT be better (slim at best, AK lol) regular season wise...but I take comfort in the fact that chances are this is probably as far as it goes. By the way, how is Magette's health?

Go Lakers!

Mike T,

My bad. That should have been a response to Vman, who pointed out that the Lakers are better looking, which was very funny.

AK

Mike, Ya that IS funny.

AK, In this case is the 110 good?

Mike,

And I tell ya, from a person that have lived overseas, all that have always ATRACTed people to the NBA are the BIG numbers. Well Wilt's 100 wouldn't get that much poblicity, the media power wasn't even close to what it is today. But the MJ's 37 average and SHAQ's big body were some of what has gotten the NBA popular all over the WORLD.

And I tell ya this: I don't think many people in the US know this BUT American Basketball blew up in the WORLD becase of ONE player. He's name is known like Mercedes Benz and Coca Cola all over. You know who? Mr. KAREEM ABUL JABBAR (that name had alot to do with it.) He is the reason WHY people know basketball, overseas kids go to work in basketball courts and Greece kicked our ... in the worlds. People overseas knew PELE, MARADONA, and KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR. Later they got to know MJ, and SHAQ too but KAREEM started it all.
So 81 is a much bigger deal for the people overseas than us watching EVERY game EVERY night. And it no surprise to me.

JJ,

I do see what you are saying, but I cannot stop that habit because it is a total disrespect to Ron Harper. Smush isn't even close to Ron Harper. It overhypes Smush, and underhypes Harper. It's a misrepresentation.

And I think you are oversimplifying the function of the point guard in the Triangle offense. If it only required movement and solid shooting, any number of NBA players could play the position. As a Laker fan, I want my point guard to stand out and be able to function in all fundamental aspects of the game, not just movement and solid shooting. I do not want my point guard to do the bare minimum required.

The Triangle offense is based around good fundamental play at all positions. The point guard isn't somehow exempt from being required to play a sound efficient game.

Lue was let go because he was getting paid and the Lakers didn't match it. Otherwise Phil would've used Lue to match-up against the Iverson's and Paul's of the league. Lue was a sound player who played a role for the team. Similar to other small players who played for Phil; BJ Armstrong etc.

I'm sure Phil would like to have bigger guards everytime. But it's not a perfect world, and I'm sure he wouldn't go with a bigger guard just for the sake of going with a bigger guard. The bigger guard must have the skills to complement his size. The lack of fundamental team play exhibited by Smush last year leads me to believe that it might be best if we go in another direction at the point this year.

Ray Ray,

The thing is that they don't really have many question marks compared to us. For example: If only Lamar could... , If Kwame gets his head and hands in the game... , If Smush stays in front of his man..., If Kobe stays healthy..., blah, blah.

You (and most others) are expecting everything to go right for us, but nothing to go right for the Clips.

BTW, I usually agree w/ your posts, but Laker Tom must be getting to you! LOL!

Why does everyone think the Clippers might do better in the regular season than the Lakers and fade in the playoffs, whereas the Lakers will shine in the playoffs? Is there anything to back that statement up? The only this Laker team has done in the playoffs is completely shrivel up and blow a 3-1 series lead. I just don't see how you can say the Lakers are good in the playoffs when really, the Clippers were better last year.

rayray,

I dont know, VIN BAKER might do some damage!!...LOL

I agree with you on the Clippers depth. In fact, on paper, they looked better last year when they had Rad.

I would love to say that the Clippers will finish below the Lakers this season, but the fact is we still need to prove that we can win consistantly and not beat Miami one night and loose to the Hawks a week later. Or whatever. We have too many questions unanswered: All-Star Lamar? Smushes' mentals? Rad's incorporation? Mihm's health? Kwame's hands? And don't get me started with Jordan and Socks. When I look at the Clippers, at least know what to expect.

>_<

AK,

Aaron Williams? Kinda small don't cha think?. I never thought he was ever that good. M I missing something?

>_<

Save all of your jibber jabbering Lakers will win 50 plus games this year, as they will learn how to play great defense during stretches they don't score. Do yourselves a favor and watch tape of Kwame guarding Brand and shutting him down. Sorry NBA, the Lakers are back, LO all star, Kobe MVP, Vlad Rad gives us a scorer who could go for 20, Smush and Farmer nice 1 2 combo, KWAME, MIHM, and BYNUM, formidable frontcourt, Walton perfect 6th man. Just Stop it please, the LAKERS are back. Can't wait till the season starts! OOOOH YEAH Brothers, OOOOH YEAH!

AK

I havn't forgot about Aaron. Actually I liked him alot when he played at Jersey but at 35 he is too OLD and fouls too much. Rebraca is a good offensive post up player and injury pron and that's about it. I have a problem with Mobley's attitude and him presenting some chemistry problems. Tim Thomas is a player that the LONG NBA season takes a TOLL on him and he'll pick his nights to show up. Maggette, if healthy (I think he does Steroids but what do I know), will be fighting over shots with Mobley. This is a team that WON deffending the BALL last year and I just don't see many players in the roster to be COMMITTED to deffending after last year. Livingston in 2 is a deffensive problem. Ross in 2 is an offensive problem. I think what you are calling the CLIPPS deepness I am calling too many egos for nothing and a THREAT to thier chemistry. Other than Ross, Brand and Kaman and ofcourse Sam I am I don't like any of their players although I think Livingston is a freak, Ewing will be better, and Singleton was a good boost last year. But I agree, if your talking on paper and all these players are at thier prime years, no injuries no chemistry problems and Livingston can make 18ft JUMPERS, ya their DEEP.

I agree with AK's assessment but, I think we have a greater chance to grow. We know the players the Clips have, and we know how they're going to (or at least should) perform, but our team is more of an enigma. Outside of Kobe, and Radmanovic we really don't know how our other guys are going to play. How great could we be if LO, Kwame, and Smush come in, and play better than they did last season?!!

I think if Kwame can average 10-15pts he will equal, or be better than Kaman since he is a better defender. LO was a matchup problem for them last year, and if he comes in and plays the way he did at the end of the season, or even better there is no way he is getting stopped. And if Smush has the same offensive #'s as last year, and focuses more on staying in front of his man, I think he can stay with Cassell, or any other pg they have.

I know there are a lot of ifs here, but I don't think it's farfetched to think that these 3 players can come in a be better than they were last year. We all saw how they improved over 82 games last year, so even if they don't come in right off the bat playing better, they should be by the end of the season.

WiZo, I can't say that arguing that depth "only" took a team to the NBA finals, where they lost at least partially because of the worst reffing I've seen in the finals in a decade, isn't the most convincing argument I've heard. I think the Brothers K have it about right; the Clips have more talent and more depth than the Lakers do. If they stay healthy, they'll finish with a better record than we do. After that, who knows, but that team is built to go far.

And except for Cassell, they're not that old. Buggers should be around for a while. I don't even think losing Radmanovich will hurt them that much, even if Thomas puts away his complete game now that he's been paid. He can still shoot, and that's all Vlad can do anyway.

Mike A,
You slightly took my word "only" out of context. As I didnt say that depth only took a team to the finals, but that depth "can only" take you so far. In fact, you can remove teh word "only" from my post altogether and have my same meaning. Of course the Mavs have more than just depth. But my point was that, in the end to win the championship, you have to have "greatness". On almost every championship team you have at least 1 and usually 2 really "great" players. My point with the Clippers are, yeah, theyre good, yeah, theyre deep....but they seem to lack "greatness". (You could argue Det had no true superstar, but that team is rare in that you have no superstar, but 5 stars as starters....and even then, they may have lost to the Spurs or a healthy Laker team.).
But really, I think the Clips have a very solid team....its just not scary. And I think the Lakers will end up with the better record...but I have no problem with anyone ranking the Clippers with the higher finish...its close enough to me anyways. However, for me, the real issue is which team is in a better position to win the Championship. Heck, the Clippers may even be poised to again make a "deeper run" in the playoffs....but to me, I cant see how they have any chance to win it all. They will lose to the elite teams. Whereas with Kobe and Lamar we have 2 of the most talented players in the league...obviously having Kobe is the big advantage. At the end of close games, having Kobe is such a big advantage...whereas Brand, while consistantly very good, doesnt have the same skills to take over the end of games in the same way. Plus Kobe has the ability to simply "steal" a game or two by himself. We may not be championship contenders....but I think we would be the team that no high seed wants to face in the playoffs.

Yeah, the whole thing boils down to this:

I believe that the Lakers are better than the Clippers, even if they finish with a better season record. Andrew Z. brought up the good point about the Lakers playing down to their competition. We tend to underestimate teams too often and that has been going on for YEARS. I wouldn't bet my life that it's magically gonna go away this season. But we match up well against the Clips and I am extremely confident that we can take them out any time that we want. And that is why I say the Lakers are a better team even if we finish behind them. Make sense?

>_<

Taliq, what have you been drinking? Seriously dude, by your logic, Dirk Nowitzki must be the best player in the West, because the mavs were the team that made the finals. Lakers lost in the first round, remember?

I don't think saying we're better because we have the best player is that good an argument. It's pretty weak, actually.

Clips better than us? Where's the outrage? Where's my 55 win bandwagon?

Rocky,
I'm expecting our whole roster to show major improvements and for that reason I'm not keen on giving major props to the new comers. Let them show us what they can do first. So smush may be no ron harper, but it wasn't Shamond/Famar that busted his ass out there for all 89 games we played, so until proven otherwise he's the best guard we've got. Now if we'd signed bibby in the off season I'd understand why you'd be so eager to throw Smush under the bus, but speaking for all positions I don't think there's any off season aquisition we made that justifies dissing the guys that bled purple and gold last season.

That's not to say you can't criticize Kwame's hands or Mihms tenacity etc ... that's kewl ... however I dont think it's fair to pick a newbie over the guys that showed up last season just because we ain't seen the new guys strut their stuff in purple and gold.

In Kobe we Trust,
Go Lakers

thanks Faith!

Be it known, there is only one Mike T.

47 days and a wake-up.

Does it strike anybody else as strange that many bloggers on this team think our players like Kwame, LO, and Smush are going to play so much better this year and the players on other teams in the West are not?

For example, I think Elton Brand can improve, Shaun Livingston has a huge ceiling, and Chris Kaman gets better every year. Not to mention Quentin Ross and James Singleton, two young players with one more year of experience under their belts. Corey Maggette might actually play the whole year, so there's a 20 point scorer they were without for long stretches and were still better than us.

Some people might argue the point for the chemistry perspective. Well, the Clippers had great chemistry last season and with another year together, and drastically increased confidence, they'll be nothing but better.

You can't say things are going to happen to the Lakers and then think that they won't happen to the other teams. Ultimately, every year a team or two drops out of the playoffs that made it the year before, and a team or two sneaks in that missed out. There are about six or seven teams in that volatile area and whether you want to believe it or not, our Lakers are one of them.

Andrew Z,

I can only speak for myself, but I never said the Clippers will do worse in the playoffs than the Lakers. I only said that in a head to head matchup, the lakers will win. I think we match up well against the Clips, and in a seven game series we can beat them.

Here is how I back that statement up:

1. Kwame's only asset is to defend in the post. Brand happens to be their best player, and I think Kwame can supress Brand a little bit.

2. Laker's two biggest pieces are battle-tested (phil and Kobe), while Clips have one (Sam), their third option on offense.

3. In order for a team to improve, it must learn from it's mistakes. I certainly hope after the total collapse of last year's playoffs, the Lakers have learned from their mistakes.

The Lakers are more than likely going to be seeded lower than the Clips, I just know one thing. We have Kobe, and he hasn't failed to improve every year, now the rest of these guys have to step up.

Funny little clip on Doug Christie I found on the Web-
This has to be the most predictable, no-further-explanation-needed, phenomenon on the Internet: if you type www.dougchristie.com into your browser, you get a page that asks you to go to www.jackiechristie.com instead.
Yep, Doug can't even put up a web site without deferring to his wife.

i,ve been reading this blog for a while but ive never commented. But I like to ask a question to AK & BK and any ohters who wants to answer. Based on other teams offseason moves & since the lakers
schedule came out, could u analyze their season and make a prediction about their record.

Clippers better than the Lakers?
Which Lakers are talking about. The last 2 months last year we blastd them all (missed on the weak teams).

We're better than the Clips if we play that way, otherwise Ak is right.

I can see Kobe make us proud while blowing away the NBA.

Is it October yet?

Baywood

Everybody

I did some investigating on what makes Lebron different then Kobe and Wade.


LEBRON JAMES never dunks on big men. Kobe and Wade intimidate people when the go to the hole. If you guys look on youtube you will see that between Kobe, Wade, and Jordan the 3 of them have dunked on every big man in the league except SHAQ.

What do you guys think about my theory. Until this changes LEBRON JAMES will NEVER win a NBA TITLE.

Clippers suck. Until they win a ring or two, they will always be the Clippers. I don't care if the Clippers finish with a better record than the Lakers, the Clippers will always be the Robin to the Lakers Batman. And ppl like to talk about how the Clippers fans are louder, more real, and diehard than the Lakers fans but its just a bunch of bs. Remember how the Clippers fans booed Kobe all night and then Kobe did his thing and by the end of the night, Clippers fans were chanting MVP. Goes to show you that LA has only one team. We got Jack and Denzel while that other team has Franke Muniz. If the Clippers ever played the Lakers in the playoffs, the Lakers would win - period. I got no love for the Clippers and their bandwagon fans.

Had to work some...

Listened to KOBE's INTERV with DPATRICK. our man is GREWING UP. we're talkin KOBE the VERTERAN. they talked about KG comin to LA. if KG came to LA just know RAYRAY broke the news.

GREEK DUDE
Thats funny shoot. I tell ya, I do question LALs too but I think if the Question is will the LAKERS and the CLIPPS be better than last year? the answer is: VERY GOOD chance for the LAKERS, MAYBE for the CLIPPS

DAN DA MAN
we're in the same PAGE, except I think PurpleNGold comin in with the same people, knowing the OFFENSE better is a BIG plus for KOBE's team. Where the CLIPPS are comin in trying to douplicate what they did last year.

AK
Is it a possiblity for you to INTERVIEW the new comers. If so I would love to KNOW what JORDAN, SHAMMOND and JR think of in what ways they could CONTRIBUTE to the 06-07 Lakers. I think they will all make the ROSTER this year.

Andrew Z,

"Does it strike anybody else as strange that many bloggers on this team think our players like Kwame, LO, and Smush are going to play so much better this year and the players on other teams in the West are not?"

No, I had never noticed that. I also haven't noticed that they take an easy twenty game string of games and pro-rate it into an entire season, even though none of the players involved, with the exception of Kobe, have ever shown that type of consistency.

But now that you've mentioned it, I'll be on the lookout for it!

Lakofan
Thx for the Kobe clips. I like how he said he would like to retire as a Laker. If he does than I can see Kobe playing for another 6-9yrs. Im glad to hear he will stay with the Lakers and im pretty sure thats what Buss wants.

JJ
I agree with you on most of ur post regarding the players function and their position. Thats one of the reasons why Greece won the Fiba games. We also have one of those guys in Lamar Odom.

Greek Dude
"1. Kwame's only asset is to defend in the post. Brand happens to be their best player, and I think Kwame can supress Brand a little bit."

Kwame's defense is mostly post defense. Elton brand has way to many moves and range for Kwame to really hold him down. Kwame might force him to play away from the post and I think Elton has enough firepower to take him off the dribble or just take a jumpshot instead of just posting up every time.

LakerTom
Here are the videos of youtube of Phil and Tex walking you through the Triangle. Its a bit watered down but they show you how they initiate their offense and how the players work off the ball and their positioning. Court vision and learning to read the defense is probably biggest things. Farmar being a pure guard and being able to find the open man is as much as he will be doing and beginning the offense. Other than that the triangle creates the open shots and opportunites for the players if theyre in the right place. Its 5 vids here they are:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3MGu7zB_6XU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kUSyMjv60Qk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yYxwxurwp14&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=axHlE7wMr98&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uDt_wbjF-2E&mode=related&search=

Theyre all about 4mins long enjoy.

AK,

Though being a die hard Laker Fan (also Kobe), I can appreciate your thoughts behind your analysis on the Clippers being better than the Lakers. I hope you are wrong, but not likely. Just have to hope that Kobe alone does make the dfference.

Thanks for the blog, as a fan who watches old laker games on tapes during the off season, this is a great venue to get my laker buzz.

Thanks again..AK

Neal./

rayray said:

"Listened to KOBE's INTERV with DPATRICK. our man is GREWING UP. we're talkin KOBE the VERTERAN. they talked about KG comin to LA. if KG came to LA just know RAYRAY broke the news. "

rayray: do you have a link?

AK and BK:

“And for my second favorite team, it’s the Clippers…”

Can’t say that I am surprised. I hope you’ll stand up and admit you were wrong like men when the Lakers finish with a better record and go deeper in the playoffs than the Clippers.

Let’s see how this goes. Andrew and ex and the realist faction will obviously agree 100% since they value past performance over future potential always and the Clippers did win 2 more games last year and go one round deeper into the playoffs.

Then there will be another faction that will just throw their hands up in the air in frustration justifiably convinced that AK and BK are really secret Clipper fans and rightfully viewing the ranking as further disrespect for Kobe’s value to a team.

Finally, there will be a faction that will just smile and nod their head, knowing the this year Lakers will win more games and go deeper into the playoffs than the Clippers just as easily and surely as they outmaneuvered the them in free agency to steal Vladimir Radmanovic and swing the power back to the Lakers.

In addition to Radmanovic, the Lakers added Maurice Evans, Jordan Farmar, and Shammond Williams in the off-season, losing only Deavon George. To replace Radmanovic, the Clippers signed Tim Thomas, which you admit was a mistake, plus adding Aaron Williams and Paul Davis.

You are predicting that the Clippers, who only won 2 more games than the Lakers last year, will win 3 to 5 more games than the Lakers this year. Do you believe Thomas, Williams, and Davis will help the Clippers more than Radmanovic, Evans, Farmar, and Williams will help the Lakers?

Last year, the Lakers were confident that they would have been able to beat the Clippers and reached the Conference Finals had they not lost to the Suns. This year they will prove it without question. Bad prediction, guys. I’m disappointed.

Tom

Here is the link for the kobe interview

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/sportindex?sport=radio

it is on this page.

Shady, Awesome Triangle Videos. I bought Tex's book. This certainly explains it very well.

Baywood

Laker Tom,

I'll obviously own up to any prediction that turns out to be wrong. But I think my breakdown certainly makes sense, even if you don't agree.
Also, the fact that I like the Clips is irrelevant. I'm a MUCH bigger Lakers fan. But even if that weren't the case, it wouldn't matter because I'm predicting how I think things will turn out, not how I want them to turn out. Big difference. My wishes have nothing to do with anything.

As for the Clips losing Vlad, I don't consider it a huge blow, since they played well for 1/2-3/4 of the season before acquiring him, anyway. They obviously are pretty good without him. And while I think Thomas is a dog signing, I also think that even as an underachiever (by not providing the rebounding/defense he's capable but often disinterested in giving), he'll still hit outside shots. If TT's doing that, he pretty much replaces Vlad, since he doesn't rebound or play much D either.

I'm also not convinced yet that Shammond will be a great pickup (he was okay but nothing special during his first NBA stint) and Farmar may not get more than 10-12 mpg, at least for a while. So in that sense, I consider the offseason additions more or less a wash. The Lakers may have improved a little more in terms of new players, since Evans was a nice under the radar pick up, but the Clips were more solid to start out with, so they didn't need to add as much.

You also have to remember that the Clips managed a better record while dealing with way more injuries. The Lakers were incredibly fortunate, given both players' histories, that LO missed relatively few games and Kobe zero due to injury. I'd love to see that happen again, but given the track record of both, it's hard to count on. That could get in the way of some progress/improvement.

Again, I think the Lakers will have a good season next year. Perhaps not as good as you think, but you also seem to banking on best case scenarios and nothing less. I think they're going to improve. I'm just not positive they'll improve to the point of leapfrogging certain teams that were better than they were to begin with and will also likely improve as well.

I'd also like to remind you of an admission you made a little while back. You haven't seen the Clips play much. I have.

AK

AK:

Wow, is it a small world or just normal deja vu?

I actually didn't think your original post added up but your follow-up comments about the additions to both teams and the injury factor were valid although I still think your prediction smacks of a pro-Clippers' bias, which you smirkingly attribute to having seen them play a lot. haha.

Fair enough. And I do know you and BK will be good sports and split the job of eating the print out of this thread once the Lakers prevail.

Damn, I never should have admitted not watching the Clips that much. Stupid move on my part. Give that AK an inch and he'll take a mile.

Tom

Laker Tom,

If I end up wrong, there's no way in hell I'm sifting 7 months back through the blog to erase my post/subsequent comments. That's way too much effort. I'll simply take the easy (i.e. lazy) way out and admit I was wrong. haha

AK

Taliq:

Trying to get AK to back off his 2nd favorite team is nearly impossible. Remember in the previous Lakers vs Clippers debate, he was even willing to trade the entire Lakers roster, including Kobe for God’s sake, for the entire Clippers roster. He is just plain infatuated or mesmerized by the Clippers, maybe even brainwashed. In any close match, give me Kobe and Phil any day over Elton and Dunleavy.

Tom

Hate to say it LakerTom, but as much as I hope you're right, those additions wouldn't scare me if I was the GM for another team. And I think you're pretty much wrong on one point: it's not just past performance the "reality-based" contingent is looking at things from (I've heard that phrase before - disturbing), it's that they don't automatically assume everything will work out perfectly. Which, clearly, you're banking on.

Like I said, I hope you're right. Odds are though, it's not going to work out that way. I think we'll do pretty well this year, but to even come close to sniffing a ring, things will have to go perfectly, and I've never believed that.

By the way, "rightfully viewing the ranking as further disrespect for Kobe’s value to a team"? I don't quite buy that argument. If you think that Kobe's awesome but his teammates will prevent him from getting too far in the playoffs, that's disrespectful? Like, if I said that Kobe could have an outstanding year, but we won't get out of the first round, that would be disrespectful? Oh, wait, that just happened. Is reality disrespectful too? I don't think I but that argument.

Laker Tom,

"Remember in the previous Lakers vs Clippers debate, (AK) was even willing to trade the entire Lakers roster, including Kobe for God’s sake, for the entire Clippers roster."

Dude, what are you talking about? I never said I'd trade Kobe for anyone on the Clips roster.

AK

JJ:

Great post replying to AK's Clippers Preview. At last we agree on something. The Lakers are the storied franchise. The Clippers are just the other team in town.

Tom

rayray:

Leave it to AK to bring together all of the blog's traditional combatants. You are absolutely correct that the Lakers have a much deeper and stronger bench than the Clippers.

Tom

AK:

"Again, they're a pretty deep team."

Sounds like a brother trying to seel some dude that his sister is really hot.

"Really, she's got a great personality."

Tom

Laker Tom,

"Sounds like a brother trying to seel some dude that his sister is really hot. Really, she's got a great personality."

Eww. If I had a sister, I don't think I'd ever pimp her out like that. But maybe things are different in your family. haha (just playing).

AK

 
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