The Dirt On Fox
I'm never terribly confident about projects involving David Arquette (although thankfully, it sounds like the spazzy one will remain behind the camera), but I'd tune in to check out Rick Fox's work. Fox is that rare athlete-turned-thespian that can actually act his way into a puppet show. He did a nice job in a small "He Got Game" role and was absolutely terrific as prisoner Jackson Vayhue on "Oz". I have a few movie geek friends who are huge "Oz" fans and don't follow sports whatsoever. They assumed Fox was a professional actor who happens to be very tall. Considering how critical these guys are, thems are hard earned props. I talked with Fox a few times about acting when he was on the team and it's a skill he treats with respect. He took (and may still take) private instruction and wasn't satisfied simply cashing in on his famous name (the "Kazaam"-esque route most athletes use to get into film).
I imagine Fox's role on "Dirt" will be more demanding than Luke Walton's upcoming acting debut (which BK and I will review), but I'm open to being surprised. And who knows what dramatic layers Luke may add to his scenes playing one-on-one ball? All those years spent listening to drunken yahoos imitate Big Red may provide an internal fire the novice can bring to his performance. Until I see proof otherwise, I'm keeping Daytime Emmy hope alive.
Just out of curiosity, which current Laker would you peg as the best legit actor and why? You could obviously go a lot of ways with this question. If Kobe Bryant's ability to chew out a ref translates onto the big screen, he's perfectly capable of a dramatic scene. And he does have that "stare" going for him. Frankly, Kobe's oft been accused of acting since the moment he entered the NBA. Ronny Turiaf certainly has the requisite energy a performer needs and he's obviously not afraid to risk looking silly. Smush Parker spends much of his time poker faced, making him perhaps ideal for an undercover agent role ("Smush Brasco," anyone?). Jordan Farmar is an L.A. native who's barely left the city limits over the course of his lifetime. Hard to believe a little of "the industry" hasn't seeped into the kid. And you obviously can't discount the acting tips Lamar Odom may have picked up on set of "Van Wilder" while playing "Coolidge Chickadee Player."
But I'm gonna go out on a dark horse limb and declare Sasha Vujacic your winner. In his two years as a Laker, I've seen endless variations of "The Sasha Face" each time he's called for a foul. Just when I think it's not humanly possible for Sasha to pull out another version of his classic "What??? Me??? Why???" look after an obvious whistle, the guy finds a way to keep it fresh. So much conviction! So much expression! So much bewilderment as he can't understand how he managed to pick up that foul 30 feet from the action. And while actors often have trouble working in their second language, if Sasha's capable of channeling such emotion into a meaty supporting role, kid's got "Oscar" written all over him.
AK






Please let the season start!
Posted by: LakerFan4life | August 15, 2006 at 12:45 PM
The Lakers' best actor?
Mitch Kupcake for his impersonation of a General Manager
Letting Shaq go (West would have found a way to keep him), saddling us with Brian Grant's ridiculous contract, staking our future and more big bucks on Kwame at center, leaving the team without a point guard last season and thrusting a hapless Smush into the role - why you'd almost believe he was a real GM. Not to mention his dazed looking and cliche spouting news conferences.
I'm sure Mitch is a nice guy - and I certainly hope Kwame lives up to his potential one day. But I think a great franchise like the Lakes and a great player like Kobe deserve better.
Posted by: Jay Jay | August 15, 2006 at 12:57 PM
I hope none of the guys are spending time on acting lessons. They should all be studying how to play defense - learning to rotate agressively and do more than "matador" defense. Defense wins championships. GO LAKERS!
Posted by: Eagleboy | August 15, 2006 at 12:58 PM
LakerFan4life..i second that thought....He Got Game was a awesome movie..Allen and Fox hitting up all the white chicks..great stuff
Posted by: kleander | August 15, 2006 at 12:58 PM
A former Laker (please god let it be so!) that would be perfect as an actor...is............
Slava! Think about it, (aside from his inconsistent, 20 minute play all season long for like 4 years) he fooled us into thinking he's a basketball player and pay him money! LOL
Course that would probably apply in terms of Von, in that he fooled us into drafting him! lol
No seriously, I'd have to agree...Sasha all the way. He can be my heartthrob anytime lol, jk. He does have those "emotional" moments, and dude knows foreign language, he could like romance women with speaking a foreign language. Or at the very least, he can be the geeky foreing exchange student boy in a high school flick ----I can so picture it haha.
Posted by: Faith | August 15, 2006 at 01:44 PM
Von Wafer, for acting like a basketball stud while in actuality he's the complete opposite.
Posted by: Kevin McK | August 15, 2006 at 01:45 PM
Would love to see Fox opposite Holly Hunter. Now there's a match! Who's got the USA basketball schedule???????????
Posted by: keifo | August 15, 2006 at 01:54 PM
The Best Laker Actor ever is Kareem for his for his roles in Airplane! and one of The Bruce Lee Movies with Dragon in the Name.
The Best Current player who would be a good actor would probably be Von Wafer, because an actor has to put up with a lot of rejection before he finally makes it, and no one else on the team personifies that better than Von. Also, he has the star name already.
Posted by: Skyhook | August 15, 2006 at 02:03 PM
So long as he never has to play the part of an adult, Kobe will win the nomination hands down.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 15, 2006 at 02:15 PM
The Niners packed Rumph off to the Redskins. Cleaning house. I'm liking Nolan better and better.
Go Niners!
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 15, 2006 at 02:18 PM
Faith,
Slava could pass as junior terminator now that the senior is busy being a Governator. While your hearthrob Sasha could pass as Brad Pitt of Eastern Europe with his tantalizing eyes and say some romantic lines in Slovenian language. They could hit daytime Emmy and give Days of our Lives a run for their money. That could be an incentive of being a Laker, it's a passport to Hollywood. If KG becomes a Laker, he could resurrect, The Return of the Alien.
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 15, 2006 at 02:31 PM
LakerFan4life & Jay Jay, shout out to you for the first two posts...my sentiments exactly
Posted by: Taliq | August 15, 2006 at 02:38 PM
I was flipping around the channels and saw Rick Fox on an episode of "Girlfriends" or something, he was freaking AWFUL..
Made his performances in those car commercials look absolutely Shakespearean.
Posted by: john | August 15, 2006 at 02:41 PM
A great Sacramento King actor would be Ron Artest, playing himself in "Testes, The Back Breaker".
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 15, 2006 at 02:44 PM
Edwin Gueco,
LOL. Heck for KG...we'll give him John Salley's role in Bad Boys II! That's sure to get him packing for LA!
Posted by: Faith | August 15, 2006 at 03:03 PM
My guess is after this season Sasha will have a lot of time on his hands to pursue his acting career, so my money is on him.
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 15, 2006 at 03:03 PM
Your all missing by far the best actor in the entire NBA: Dwayne Wade. He didn't win an Academy or an Oscar. He was so good they gave him an NBA championship, all nice and wrapped up. What a great gift. Clearly, he's the best actor th NBA has to offer.
B.
Posted by: TheeCaliKing | August 15, 2006 at 03:04 PM
I'm with you AK, Sasha's expressions do seem almost beleivable sometimes even though we all see him reaching the whole way down the court, at the top of three point line, and as his man drives past him to the lane right into a Mihm foul.
Posted by: LakerReg | August 15, 2006 at 03:13 PM
Sasha could play a girl. They wouldn't even have to change the spelling in the credits.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 15, 2006 at 03:18 PM
the ultimate ROLE player
YALL should try to find a 2001 PLAYOFF tape and watch it. YA, thats the year the P&G was dropping DREAM TEAM stuff on the QUEENS and SPURS Azzz. the only PERFECT basketball team I've seen in my life(KAREEM says the 85 LAKERS were perfect too but I missed that one). EVERY TIME somebody talks about RICK or I see RICK it reminds me of that year. the GUY would CLOSE DOWN the best SCORERS, make all the CLUTCH THREES and put the BALL were SHAQ just needed to turn and it was a sure basket. thats what I call an ULTIMATE ROLE PLAYER.
he's a LAKER hall of FAMER.
Posted by: rayray | August 15, 2006 at 03:21 PM
the BEST actor in the history of the NBA
the one and only Velade Divac AKA the flopper
Posted by: rayray | August 15, 2006 at 03:26 PM
Vlade D! With his flopping!
Posted by: exhelodrvr | August 15, 2006 at 03:48 PM
On Sasha:
Wasn't this guy brought in to be a shooter? The Lakers spent a pick on this guy. He can't regularly hit an open jumper. Everytime he puts it up it's a 50/50 whether it goes, or whether it's even close. Even Kareem Rush had a moment for the Lakers, winning a playoff game for them when he lost his mind in 3-Point Land. I watch alot of Laker basketball, so I see Sasha play often, and I have to say that its been years now, and this guy's offense has yet to show any significant improvment, shooting or otherwise. The only positive is he doesn't dribble the ball of his own foot and out of bounds anymore. He has no other game, such as driving to the hoop. He is a born and bred shooter who can't shoot. Anyone ever consider packaging him out?
B.
Posted by: TheeCaliKing | August 15, 2006 at 04:13 PM
i wouldnt mind calling some Laker girls for some private screening. ;)
but seriously, i'd probably go with luke. he's got the right look.
or Farmar in the Little Rascals remake as a grown up Alphilfa.
or Odom in Half Baked 2 as a taller and less funnier version of Dave Chappell.
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 15, 2006 at 04:18 PM
First off, I LOVED OZ!!!!!!! That show had soooo many good actors it was ridiculous. every character was so deep (except Adebisi, even though he was one of my favorites), yet twisted that you were just drawn into how these people ended up the way they did, and what was going to happen to them.
I love movies/TV, and I love to see a good actor at work, and you can believe Rick Fox is a good actor. He played the basketball star/wife beater/drug addict part perfectly on OZ. LOL, hopefully it's not from experience. I like Fox's acting skills, and I think he's one of those cats that can steal a scene if he's in the right genre.
PS: OZ started to go down hill once they killed off Said, and the last episode was horrible!!!!!
Posted by: Weave-Man | August 15, 2006 at 05:21 PM
"Game of Death" Bruce Lee & The Captain
Kareem plays a dude who's eyes are sensitive to light, and he rocks these pimped out shades. The best scene is when this dude gets snathed fron the top of the stairs by Kareem standing on the ground level. Kareem jumped up, reached over the banister and pulled this guy down like an offensive rebound.
For those of you you haven't seen it, you should netflix it for sure!
>_<
Posted by: dan the man >_< aka smushcalade | August 15, 2006 at 05:50 PM
I need Laker's basketball, I think I'm going to lose my mind!
Posted by: Xavier | August 15, 2006 at 05:54 PM
I love Gary Payton's face...
Even though he's not doing anything...he's face is funny. He got this "TRASH TALKING" face everytime he plays.
Posted by: Digtaz | August 15, 2006 at 06:40 PM
Definetly Sasha that guy knows he got caught but he still tries to convince the refs theyre blind. Kinda annoying and frustrating watching him holding the ball complaining. Maybe if its in a movie itll be more on the comic side if he does that and I can just laugh.
Posted by: Shady | August 15, 2006 at 07:32 PM
nice mentionings... but ya'll are forgetting the Magic Man and his turn as a thespian in michael jackson's "remember the time" video! ... out of retirement and into pop music, magic was the best 6-foot-9 egyptian eye-liner wearing, royal guard i've ever seen. sheer genius.
btw, i'm now looking at espn's the "top five reasons to you can't blame kobe bryant for all things that went wrong in the western civilization" ... good tuesday night television.
Posted by: CBuck | August 15, 2006 at 07:45 PM
btw, roland you were pretty good on that show. sound arguments.
my only complaint: shaq should've been the no. 1 reason
Posted by: CBuck | August 15, 2006 at 07:54 PM
Brian Cook's posture for the "Hunchback of Notre Dame"
or...
Or how about Cookie's oscar winning performance in "Can't Play D II"
with best supporting actor Eric Dampier.
Can't even play respectable D on the pickup courts of $anta Monica. Plays hard enough to get hurt...but can't get in a bent knee stance?
Got to hand it to Mitch, he sure has a gift for making poor defensive players rich.
Posted by: Brandon | August 15, 2006 at 10:07 PM
Skyhook,
Don't leave out Kareem's profoundly moving, Oscar-worthy role in BASEketball.
Posted by: wreakjavik | August 15, 2006 at 10:38 PM
For anybody who didn't see BASEketball, Kareem was awe-inspiring. He sat inside a glass case, and I think I remember him turning his head once.
Posted by: wreakjavik | August 15, 2006 at 10:41 PM
Best non-laker.....RAJA BELL, his continual flops are oscar worthy !
Posted by: LALAKERLOVER | August 15, 2006 at 10:48 PM
Why all this speculation when everyone knows the Lakers have one of the greatest actors Hollywood has ever produced: Jack Nicholson.
He is on the payroll, isn't he?
Posted by: Tsphere | August 15, 2006 at 11:35 PM
Now, I wish Rick Fox all the best...
And he was good in Oz for sure...
but can we just cut to the chase and get the news that we've signed KG and Artest already?
I guess I'll just watch us dribble off of Korean heads and almost double their score...
Posted by: Benjamin | August 15, 2006 at 11:38 PM
yikes! http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5872400
Posted by: puffcloudy | August 16, 2006 at 01:00 AM
How bad has the off-season become that we find ourselfs talking about Rick Fox getting back to Acting?
Posted by: LakeMan | August 16, 2006 at 01:39 AM
I gotta go non-Laker on this one -- Hands down, Shaq and DWade for acting as though they are both head over hills in love with one another!
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | August 16, 2006 at 04:34 AM
cbuck,
Do you know where i can get a transcript of the espn show on kobe...or can you recap what the top 5 reasons were.
Tsphere,
You're d*mn right, Jack is on the payroll.
In Kobe we trust,
Go Lakers
Posted by: Taliq | August 16, 2006 at 07:24 AM
Taliq,
The show that you were refering to was on espn classic. I checked the guide and it doesn't appear to be on again at leat this week. I caught the last two reasons last night, but I'll wait for cbuck to comment. I don't want to give away the ending.
>_<
Posted by: dan the man >_< aka smushcalade | August 16, 2006 at 08:55 AM
I liked Kareem's cameo on Scrubs. Good show.
Posted by: Emma | August 16, 2006 at 09:18 AM
ok ok no more arguing. we all know the best movie of all time was KAZZAM!!! Shaq brought that movie to life and should have won an Oscar for that.
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 16, 2006 at 09:48 AM
yeah a transcript or something for that show would be really cool
jon(inJapan)
Posted by: joninjapan | August 16, 2006 at 09:48 AM
by the way, incase some of you guys didnt catch TOP 5 REASON YOU CANT BLAME KOBE FOR SHAQ LEAVING on tv yesterday.... here they are:
5. Jerry West's departure
4. Malone & Payton not winning a championship due to Payton's inability to play in the triangle.
3. Shaq for wanting to be the man when Kobe was the best player. Thought Kobe would be his little brother like Hardaway did, except Kobe wasnt going to be anyone's little bro.
2. Phil Jackson for isolating Kobe and not developing a good relationship between the two. Using Kobe as the scapecoat. Not liked by his players due to his cocky attitude.
1. Jerry Buss for wanting to change the Lakers into the 80's style Showtime team. Never liked the Triangle offense.
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 16, 2006 at 10:06 AM
In extending what the Lamar show wrote about the top five reasons you can't blame Kobe.
On #3, that Shaq is the kind of person that he needs to be liked by everyone and if someone doesn't like him, he takes it personal. Kobe did not like him(according to them)so Shaq thought it was personal and did everything to make Kobe an outsider.
On #2, Phil Jackson, they said that Phil never embraced Kobe, that Phil made sure Kobe was the outsider that way the others would have a reason to get angry and work better. He used Kobe as a spark to light up the team. That Phil did the same thing in Chicago with the general manager. But this time he used Kobe.
Posted by: lakofan | August 16, 2006 at 10:26 AM
I've got a HUGE BEEF to get off of my chest....
First, I'm tired of all of the negative talk concerning Mitch Kupchak. I could make this argument long, but I'll keep it short and sweet. How many championships did the Lakers win in the 1990's? Who was the General Manager during all of those years? Until 12 years have past without another Laker Championship, I think we all should get off of Mitch's back. By the way, his last name is KUPCHAK....not cupcake or any other 2-cent attempt to be funny! It's amazing how we get upset if someone call sus out of our name but then we in turn call another person out of theirs just because we feel that there is probably no way they'd ever find out that we did it.
Second, I have grown tired of the Kwame Brown bashing. Except for Kobe Bryant there is no other player that dawned a Laker's uniform last season that is exempt of criticism. Unless every single one of them get equal time on the hot seat in here, I believe that it is high time that the criticism stop. Besides, the critism of Kwame in reference to having poor hands and weak finishes in the paint should also go for Chris Mihm, who would rather shoot layups in the paint most times than dunk. He fumbled and missed his share of baskets last season as well. Get off Kwame's back and let the guy play basketball.
Third, I am tired of these unrealistic expectations on individual players. If you would only take the time to look at past performances of some of the championships of the past you will see that what you are trying to say should be required, really isn't. Kwame doesn't have to give 15-10 a night for the Lakers to win a championship. Lamar doesn't have to give 20-10 a night for the Lakers to win a championship. Pippen never avaeraged 20-10. Horace never averaged 15-10. It wasn't necessary because collectively as a team, they performed at a high level.
In closing, I fail to understand how certain players can be unrealistically expected to achieve the things that some of you are proposing, yet your expectations for the team itself, remain low? That seems highly inconsistent to me.
That's my BEEF, for now!
Posted by: JJ | August 16, 2006 at 10:28 AM
The Lamar Show,
Since you are big L.O. fan, I've been meaning to ask you if you saw that special on Foxsports that Smush hosted? Well, L.o. was sitting in his car and Smush brought the camera around and called out "big time" because L.O. was waiting on his driver. :) A driver?! L.O. is from the hardcore Bronx right? I just wondered if you think that it's "soft" to have a driver.
p.s. I am an L.O. fan I don't think he is soft, but I just don't know about having a driver. :)
Posted by: Ken | August 16, 2006 at 10:33 AM
Ken -- Lamar is from the the SOUFFSIDE !! QUEENS NY and went to Christ the King H.S..
as for having a driver -- maybe he goes that route sometimes -- still kinda interesting...
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | August 16, 2006 at 10:39 AM
JJ -- I feel you whatchu sayin'!
See what happens when its the offseason????? 48 more days to go peoples!
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | August 16, 2006 at 10:40 AM
JJ,
I agree, I think Kupchak has done a very good job. To go from a HUGE franchise break-up like the Shaq-Kobe-Phil thing and to come back into the playoffs after only one year is a good deal. I think the team is in a relatively good financial place and he really hasn't made any bad deals or signings out of sheer desperation.
As for the LO and Kwame stats thing, maybe I should say that I somewhat agree. First, in regards to LO and averaging 20 points, I think that is true but the 20 points in more indicative of him being a #2 scorer behind Kobe. We need another guy to step up and he seems the most likely candidate. As for Kwame and the 15-10, I think that is more of a reflection of Kwame's need to get more active on the glass. I think his 7-6 averages or whatever scream that the dude just wasn't putting in the effort (at least before Mihm went down). He has the athletic ability and talent to get 15-10 in his sleep, it's his motivation and energy that I question.
That all being said, I agree that wins and success are about the team playing together as a TEAM, but in the course of that happening we need a guy to establish himself as a #2 scorer and threat behind Kobe and we need a big man who is extremely active on the boards and gets easy buckets around the rim. those two roles should probably turn out to be a 20 ppg scorer and a 15-10 big man.
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 16, 2006 at 10:43 AM
Ken,
Jeez....smush hosted some special on fox? For the love of god can we get a website that lists what shows are coming on tv pertaining to the lakers...now that would be hot. You know a googleTVguide.
D*mn this offseason is painfully slow...still having gone through the mamba got accused of biting a colorado babe offseason...guess an unventfull offseason is a good one. Hmm though a blockbuster trade by cupcake might shift it into great, umm dnt hold ya breath for that though.
In Kobe we trust,
Go Lakers.
Posted by: Taliq | August 16, 2006 at 10:43 AM
Lamar Show....and LakoFan.....I disagree with you.
5. Jerry West's departure - Jerry West's departure had nothing to do with it. Phil and Jerry had butted heads several times in those championship years, so Phil was most likely happy that he left. Mitch running the show was also not a reason either. If you are going to blame anyone from a management standpoint, blame the owner, Jerry Buss!
4. Payton was not unable to play in the triangle....He was UNWILLING to. There is a big difference between those two.
3. You are wrong here as well. It was not Shaq's unwillingness to let Kobe take the lead or vice versa. They had done that for 3 titles. The problem was that Shaq wasn't willing to keep putting forth the neceesary work to remain the man. His "the man" years officially ended with the closing of the third title in LA. Kobe sensed it and challenged Shaq to step up and be a man. Shaq was offended and started sabotaging the relationship of the team in order to force them to trade him. He KNEW that the Lakers would be forced to trade him if he asked for the kind of money that he did. Did you not notice how he took much less in Miami....because he knew that they wouldn't pay him either, but he wanted to stay there. If he had wanted to stay in LA he would have taken less money. That had nothing to do with anybody but HIM.
2. Phil saw Kobe as the one that never needed the extra attention. He was right during the early years, however, when the Colorado stuff happened, Kobe became vulnerable. Phil should have changed his approach with him then, but he didn't. Do you not remember Kobe saying that Shaq nor Phil made attempts to talk to him after the situation? They were treating Kobe like they always had, and things had changed.
1. Buss wanted an exciting team, yet a versatile and competive team. HE WAS RIGHT. The Lakers had become increasingly stagnant and pititful to watch. If he hadn't made changes when he did, the Lakers would have been stuck with an aging Shaq, frustrated Kobe, and a revolving door of overaged veterans trying to get that 1 championship. That's all they would have been able to afford with both Kobe and Shaq making max dollars.
On #3, Kobe and Shaq got along for 3 seasons....or at least that's what was presented to the public. Magic Johnson was saying that they were on their way to 10. However, was Shaq or Kobe being honest? How do we know that either is being honest now? Does Shaq like Wade, or is he just saying that because right now it is in his best interest to do so?
The one thing that we all need to consider is that with highly successful people (from a natural standpoint) they always have a few "defects" that make them hard to deal with at times. It is those defects that also make them so successful at other times. Do you think everybody always got along with Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Isaiah Thomas or Michael Jordan? We have seen a lot fo Isaiah's defects since he retired. Look at the mistakes and bad decisions he has made. We saw similar things in relation to Michael Jordan. Magic tried his own television show and we all saw how horrible that was....LOL. You have to learn that with people like this you take the good with the bad. You cheer and celebrate the good, and you take the low times in stride remembering how good the good was.
Kobe, Shaq and Phil had a great run, but that run was destined to end when it started because of who was a part of that union.
Posted by: JJ | August 16, 2006 at 10:50 AM
I know it was from the show...but here are 3 reason why I think it didn't work out:
Shaq was a baby, and continues to be immature, check out all those "interviews" he does in which he supposively forgave Kobe first cause he was the MAN, oh correction (he corrected) a MAN.
They stopped winning, all is good when you're winning, and once you stop doing so...things unravel. Let's face it, us not winning has a lot to do with the 4000 pound man not getting surgery when he should have, and a whole bunch of untested rookies in the bench (cause we didn't have money to pay anybody else).
All in life ends...let's jut be thankful that at the end of an era, we're looking at a new dawn (ok that sounded very much like the end of underworld evolution...but you get what I mean lol).
Posted by: Faith | August 16, 2006 at 11:09 AM
JJ
I was just recaping the show from ESPN last night. dont get all upset, just a summary of the show man. ;)
Ken
If i was making millions, which i am certainly not ahha, i'd hire a driver too. just think about it, having a personal driver is pretty pimp. also he might not even know how to drive since he's from NY hehe.
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 16, 2006 at 11:09 AM
back to the subject of this thread, Kobe is supposedly in an episode of the upcoming SOPRANOS final 8 episodes -- i think due out this fall/winter.
He is supposedly has a role of an basketball player (SURPRISE), who gets caught up in some money scheme or bad debt with none other than who, the Mafia...
Sopranos is by favorite of my all-time favorite shows, which leads me to wonder if Kobe will get to speak in Italian! I also wonder if he'll get whacked by a wiseguy. I think he gets one episode not sure. Kinda funny and I curious to see what kinda acting skills KOBE really has.
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | August 16, 2006 at 11:12 AM
JJ umm lets educate you....lakersrydeordie you might want to grab a pen or paper too
On cupcake ... shaq for brian grant's bloated contract. It's not just the fact that he let shaq go and didn't get much in return. It's the fact that he saddled himself with a bad contract. Not to say he did a terrible job, because if we're being honest, kobe might be in a clipper jersey if cupcake had waited to find decent value for shaq...but still he could have been more inventive...pull in another team with miami, but dnt take on a huge contract for a player that's not worth it. It's not like brian grant was a star in miami and then layed an egg in L.A. He brought that egg with him from miami.
Kwame brown is not chris mihm. I love his uncanny ability to get good position in the post, however the man cant catch a pass to save his life. You can knock mihms game on several points, I won't elaborate since i'm not trying to be like mike ( lakers blog "mike t" that is ) but one of them is not dropping balls. It's like how do you become a basketball player if you can't catch a pass? It's in asking that question that makes me pick kwameh over mihm...you must be good in a whole bunch of other things and everyone that has picked you for their team is banking on the fact that they can teach you how to catch a pass ( jeez....kobe i feel your pain....really we shouldn't shyt on cupcake ). Kwameh has the tools needed to be good in this league...he just needs a tabdit more self confidence...patience boy, wait, focus, be aware of your sorroundings, anticipate the ball and catch the ball...lmao...i love you kwame and i do believe you'll learn, just saying there's a reason some folks aren't keen on you
And last but definately not least. You there equate pippen to some sort of mediocrity. I don't care what his numbers are...to try and indirectly call one of the 50 greatest players to ever play the ball ordinary just to prove your point is unforgivable. I don't have time to go dig around and show you the numbers but hopefully the two points below is enough to get you to rethink your statements.
All nba defense ( 91-2000, btw 7 of these were 1st team selections )
All nba team( 92-98 )
sample season...2nd bulls championship ( 21pts..8rpg...7apg...2spg )
Hate to burst your bubble but asking lamar for 20-10 is a whole lot less than asking him to be like pippen. Brand averages 20-10 and i dare you to show me the moron that would call brand better than pippen at his prime.
In Kobe we trust,
Go lakers.
Posted by: Taliq | August 16, 2006 at 11:22 AM
JJ,
That's not my opinion, that's what they(espn, analyst they interviewed) said, not me.
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here are a couple of videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1cmnv9SHgM - It's fun watching kobe have fun and at the same time help out kids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpuqMefwDSc - This is a press conference Kobe did in vegas talking about his surgery(making a joke that he doesn't have his doctor degree) and why he did it.
Posted by: lakofan | August 16, 2006 at 11:25 AM
On a similar note, does anyone have a link to an audio clip of one of Kobe's songs from the record he made a few years ago? That has to be hilarious, I'd love to hear it. Surprisingly it didn't get much radio play.
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 16, 2006 at 11:31 AM
Taliq,
Pippen played HOF D...so in that sense it wasn't so much the numbers. Plus he was in a team stacked with good players, so unlike Kobe this previous season (which will change this season)...he didn't have to carry the load offensively so you don't see those kind of numbers. That said, I believe and have said repeatedly, as we were would have been good enough had we played good consistent D...and we didn't. What people forget is the game is 2 sided, and aside from the stats like Rebounding, and Steals and Blocks, there isn't as much focus and importance (in terms of numbers) given to defense which in my opinion is as valuable as offense. My point being, it's not all about the numbers. You don't see numbers in shut down D, denying the ball (without steals)...and of blocking out.
As for Kwame, the guy was learning a new position, in an unsettled envronment (He came in thinking he'll be playing 5, and was put in 4, and was benched for struggling in the beginning of the season)...plus he was screwed up enough with Washington's tutteledge...when given leeway to fail, he CAME THROUGH (well at least before the whole accusation debacle). So we need to give Kwame a chance...and see how he does...I think it's do or die for him, and he's fighting for his NBA life, much like most of our players. I forgot to mention his D...Kwame played great one-on-one D...which I believe was the "main" reason we got him, cause let's face it, we had a need for it. That said, he still needs to improve tremendously in other aspects of the game...I just hope that he seizes the opportunity to do so.
P.S. Thanks lakofan for the links! Good stuff...oops shtuff!
Posted by: Faith | August 16, 2006 at 11:47 AM
Just to add to the Pippen, LO, Stats debate, I think the Lakers need another guy who could go off for 40 points. LO is not that guy. I've seen too many games where he's started off hot or had a great first half and then just backs away from it. All the top teams have at least two guys who, on any given day, will go nuts and put up 40. And no, Kobe putting up 81 by himself doesn't count as two putting up 40. Until they secure that guy, the Lakers won't be in a position to win it all.
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 16, 2006 at 12:01 PM
For those of you going through off-season withdrawal like I am, here are a few videos to hold you over for 48 more days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd-FLEDTfao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_1-QllDSQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rTD_KWKr0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOVmo6GdJ7s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuximMFDhjg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7lDPG98jo
And many more at youtube.com
It's the only thing keeping me sane this off-season.
Enjoy
Posted by: ECJ | August 16, 2006 at 12:06 PM
Andrew & Brian,
Maybe you could consider this for a topic, if it hasn't been done before, (I'm a newbie to the blog so though I'm trying to digest all the content its gonna take some time).
I wonder what our fellow fans consider their most special moment or event from last season. I couldn't (can't) decided between 81 and Game Four fantastic finish.
I thought I had eventually settled on 81, kinda, but not by much over Four's fantastic finish, but every now and then I remember how I felt watching The Finish.
Which is most special? Sometimes I feel like that character in the first Batman movie.
Posted by: Glenn | August 16, 2006 at 12:35 PM
Taliq -- I'm good, I dont think I need to grab a pen actually..I was merely letting JJ know he made some good points and I respected that...My response to him was no way indicative of my agreeing or disagreeing with him..But it'll all good. Just so you know...
KOBE24 MVP 2007
Posted by: lakersrydeordie | August 16, 2006 at 12:39 PM
Off-topic:
Nice to know that Ronny Turiaf is doing well with The French National Team.
"Brazil were out-rebounded by France 35-27 while the tough French defense anchored by Los Angeles Lakers center Ronny Turiaf shut down the Brazilian fast break."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/more/08/15/brazil.france.ap/index.html
Hope he becomes the monster this coming season to complement our defense.
Posted by: Laker Phil | August 16, 2006 at 12:46 PM
Parenthetically, Julian Peterson, Ahmed Plummer, Andre Carter and Rashawn Woods were all first round draft choices who are no longer 49ers. Says Bryant Young, himself a first rounder: "No job is guaranteed around here...with (Nolan), it's what you do for him out on the field". The house cleaner. Go Nolan! Go Niners!
Except when they are playing the Niners, I will root for the Oakland Raiders against most any foe. After their most recent meeting against the Vikings, Randy Moss was whining about being taken out of the game. Coach (Shell) in essence told him to get over it. Said Moss, "He's the coach. He made the decision. I've got to live with that".
No Randy, you better be happy to live with that. Put a zipper on it and play ball.
Go Niners. Go Kings. Go Dodgers.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 16, 2006 at 01:04 PM
Where are Arthas and Mr. Tienente these days?
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 16, 2006 at 01:06 PM
Sonny, I kidnapped them. they're tied up in my basement right now. I am forcing them to watch the WNBA playoffs.
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 16, 2006 at 01:16 PM
Strike up the band. Counting today, it is 76 days and a wake-up. Mark your calendars boys and girls.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 16, 2006 at 01:16 PM
Was anyone at Staples for Games 3 vs. the Suns? They showed Foxie up on the score board and he threw his fist towards the camera, BAM, He was showing off one of his rings. Staples went nuts......
Gave D Fish a standing ovation when the cameras caught him there too.....
Rick Fox, damn I want his smile..
Posted by: onesocalkid | August 16, 2006 at 01:23 PM
Taliq,
Yeah, it was actually a couple months ago When they were playing the Knicks, and they played it on Foxsports a few weeks after that, it was kinda cool, I guess. Yeah, with his contract I guess its acceptable. But he better dominate this year!
Posted by: Ken | August 16, 2006 at 01:30 PM
Is Turiaf a center or a power foward? I'm starting to think he is more of a center, just like Kwame was. Maybe he can develop that jumper
Ken
Posted by: Ken | August 16, 2006 at 01:33 PM
did anyone mention Jabbar's spot on "Airplane"???
Now that was fantastic!!!
Posted by: keifo | August 16, 2006 at 01:47 PM
JJ
I'm with ya buddy! I think your analysis was right on.
Pippen was among the top 50 players for one reason, and one reason only -- Michael Jordan (opps! 2 - also ESPN). This doesn't denigrate him in any way, just that there have been a lot of really great and driven players in the last 55 years. I also don't think any coach would dream of getting a 40 point game from Scotty - if it happened, then thank heaven and move on. Again, this doesn't denigrate him. He was too well rounded and played too much defense to also have the energy to score that much, that often.
As for LO and Pippen. We will have to wait for that comparison until their careers are over. If you measure it on championships, then Pippen will win. There was an earlier discussion about Kobe playing at the same time as Michael - guaranteed always being compared to him. LO is in the same boat with Pippen - it doesn't help that he is paired with Kobe.
Stop trying to measure everything to the 90's Chicage Bulls. It is no more valid than comparing them with the 80's Chicago Bulls.
Posted by: Craig W | August 16, 2006 at 01:57 PM
Glenn,
Game 4's fantastic finish is like that great meal you had...only to find out the next morning you've got food poisoning. Looking back, the meal still tasted great, but all you can remember is the pain you had the next day.
Heck of a game it was, but all i remember is Tim Thomas 3pointer in game 6. Please lord let a new season begin already, so we can atone for our sins.
In Kobe we trust,
Go Lakers
Posted by: Taliq | August 16, 2006 at 01:59 PM
In the NBA Turriaf is definitely a PF. I hope he can contribute next year. I really like him cause he can block shots.
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 16, 2006 at 01:59 PM
im guessing shaqs role in scary movie four wasnt that amazing then. . .??
Posted by: joninjapan | August 16, 2006 at 02:00 PM
Is it just me, or is there too much baseball and not enought basketball in the year?
B.
Posted by: Thee CaliKing | August 16, 2006 at 02:19 PM
I agree Cali....the off-season is way toooooooooooo long. Lace 'em up, tip it up, let's ball!
Posted by: onesocalkid | August 16, 2006 at 02:32 PM
Craig W,
Scottie Pippen could be the "man" on any given night, and the fact that he could exploit a defense with his aggressive offense, both inside and out, was enough to give Jordan just a little more space, something Kobe could greatly use. Scottie Pippen's career high is 47 and numerous times he averaged over 20 points a game.
Don't get me wrong, I love LO and don't want to see him go by any means, I'd just like to add a guy who could take a little of attention off Kobe. Even at LO's peak last season (towards the end and the playoffs) you never saw a team playing defense that said "We need to stop Odom or he's going to kill us". We need someone to keep the opposing teams a bit more honest with Kobe. He faces way too many double and triple teams throughout the course of the season, that takes it's toll on a guy.
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 16, 2006 at 02:49 PM
"Pippen was among the top 50 players for one reason, and one reason only -- Michael Jordan "
In Pip's 2 years without MJ:
1994:
22pts 8.7reb 5.6asst 2.9stl 0.8blk 49%FG
1995:
21.4pts 8.1reb 5.2asst 2.9stl 1.1blk 48%FG
Factor in that Pip is one of the best defensive players of all time. Pip remains to be one of the more underated players ever.
Posted by: wiZo | August 16, 2006 at 02:54 PM
anyone know when the new NBA Live is coming out?
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 16, 2006 at 03:06 PM
Kobe Announces Vivo Foundation
"The goal of Vivo Del Mondo is to provide the students with an international travel experience that will offer them a broader and expanded context to discover and develop their life passions and encourage students to think, question and formulate their own beliefs, according to Kobe."
" encourage students to think, question and formulate their own beliefs, according to Kobe."
That's great, for each individual to make their own decision without any hidden agenda. And traveling to other countries helps in that and Kobe knows it.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/vivo_060814.html The rest of the article.
Posted by: lakofan | August 16, 2006 at 03:10 PM
wiZo,
Exactly. The guy was outstanding. Not to mention the fact the guy led his Jordan-less Bulls to the Eastern Conference semi-finals.
Here's what he did in that season (notice the 3rd in MVP voting)
Michael Jordan unexpectedly retired in 1993, and the 1994 season marked Pippen's stepping out from Jordan's shadow and he performed as one of the best players in the league. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors. He had perhaps his best season, leading the Bulls in scoring, rebounding, assists, and the entire league in steals, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, 0.9 three-pointers, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the three-point line. For his efforts, he earned the second of three straight All-NBA First Team nods, and finished third in the MVP voting.
Posted by: Andrew Z | August 16, 2006 at 03:28 PM
Mitch 'Kupcake' is an flaming IDIOT due to him LETTING the MOST DOMINANT Center of ALL TIME in Shaquille O'Neal get away for virtually NOTHING!!! Kupcake in keeping an OVERRATED, bad decision making, dirty-nasty underwear wearing hotel Clerk assaulting Kobe Bryant shows the direction the organization has taken.
Kobe Bryant makes BAD DECISIONS in life and on the court playing basketball. In life Kobe Bryant was recently married to a very beautiful bride who just had his first child, however he goes out and sexually assaults some hourly waged, no-underwear changing, broke, small town living, nasty, hotel clerk who does not change her underwear for days after having sex with OTHER MEN!!!
Out of ALL the women in the world this millionaire sports-star could have decided to have an affair with, this IDIOT shows his true ignorance and FORCES himself on some nasty, broke and ugly hotel clerk. Some can understand his selfishness in NOT PASSING the basketball on the court, however it boggles the mine that he can not PASS on FORCING himself on questionable and nasty hotel clerks and not wear a condom!!!!
Out of ALL the Paris Hiltons, the Hallie Berrys, the Angelina Jolis, the Beyonce Knowles, the J-Lo's, the Laker cheerleaders, hell even the Martha Stewards and Oprah's of the world, here this idiot risks his marriage, family and health of his wife and child's to FORCE himself on some small town broke woman that DOES NOT practice BASIC HYGIENE of changing her underwear?!!!!
This goes to show a microcausm of some BAD DECISION making illustrated by Kobe Bryant!!!!
OUT!!!
the Truth
Posted by: Steven. | August 16, 2006 at 03:37 PM
I saw "the truth" before I read Steven's post, and I had the feeling that it would be a stupid post. Surprise, surprise. Only 2 people know what really happened with that girl. Whatever happened was wrong, but that was years ago and some people need to get over it and focus on what matters in regards to what Kobe brings to the team: more dedication to the game, passion and talent than any other player in the NBA. Forget fools like Steven; remember 3 playoff runs, 81, 62, and next year look forward to 24 taking off and this new Lakers dynasty taking another step forward.
Posted by: Marcus | August 16, 2006 at 03:52 PM
Guys, don't be jealous of L.O. because he uses a driver. Driving in L.A. sucks, and if he can afford to pay someone else to drive, more power to him. At least he's mot gonna scratch the 26"'s birdwatch'n.
>_<
Posted by: dan the man >_< aka smushcalade | August 16, 2006 at 03:53 PM
JJ
C'mon man - I'm getting embarassed to have the same name as you.
KupCAKE is NOT a good GM - no way, no how. He's not as bad as Chris Mullin or Isiah (thank God), but he was merely a competent water boy for the great Jerry West, and on his own is definitely mediocre. Jerry would NOT have put the marquis team everyone wants to play for out of the free agent market for 3 years by taking on B-Grant's bloated contract. Nor would he have allowed every team to double Kobe by foisting a can't-shoot, can't-play-D "point guard" like Smush on us. The team that won 3 straight championships was BUILT by Jerry West. The team that finished out of the money in year 1 and was ousted in the first round year 2 was built by KupCAKE.
I rest my case.
Posted by: Jay Jay | August 16, 2006 at 04:03 PM
JJ and all those who are in LOVE with KUBIAK AKA CUPCAKE
FIRST, JJ that cupcake name is so FITTING buddy.
CAN DOs
if you wanna LOVE your GM, don't hasitate. I mean you probabely don't EXPECT much from him. Or, you probabely don't see how, JEOF PETTRIEs and DONNIE WALSHes even JON PAXONs and DANNY FERREYs are doing their jobs. You probebely don't UNDERSTAND that a GM's job is to MAKE things happen rather than WAITING for them to happen. But you can LOVE him and APOLOGIZE for him all you want.
CAN't DOs
don't get excited and compare the job JERRY WEST did with MITCH the VILLAGE IDIOT. cause MITCH would tell you himself that its comparing a LION and a HYAENA. MITCH being a HYAENA, ofcourse. And don't ask those of us who EXPECT more from a PROFESSIONAL to let him PASS with SHITY grades.
I don't blame or dislike MITCH CUPCAKE as a person. I am sure he is a good guy (I'm not). But, in general, I don't approve of an NBA GM who's best DRAFT PICK in a 6 year span, before a LUCKY 06 1st round, was RONNY TURIAF in second round. or was TOO MUCH of a WANKER and CLUELESS to ask for HASLEM instead of BUTLER in the SHAQ trade. The guy couldn't even sign ISIAH RIDER if PHIL wasn't here.
Posted by: rayray | August 16, 2006 at 04:14 PM
Steven, The Lie:
Apparently you have thought this well through. You make alot of clear points in you statement. You clearly put alot of thought into it. Your still an idiot.
In a way, we should thank you, as you are, since you want to try and use big words, are a "microcosm" of the the Kobe and Laker haters that infest the entire country. It's interesting, and sad, how hard you and your fellow haters try to find any possible negative with Kobe, the best basketball player in the world, or the Lakers, clearly the mst popular NBA team in the world. You don't have to like them, but you look bad trying so hard to put them down. Don't cry. Tell your momma to give you a hug.
(NOTE: Next time you want to use a big word, take the time to look it. You'll look smarter.)
B.
THEE Truth
Posted by: TheeCaliKing | August 16, 2006 at 04:29 PM
If i was rich enough, I'd have people carry me around on their back.
Posted by: The Lamar Show | August 16, 2006 at 04:33 PM
Dwain
Go Lakers!!!!
Posted by: Dwain | August 16, 2006 at 04:45 PM
AK/BK,
Your blog is a great forum for Laker fans. However, how could you allow that post by Steven which is not basketball-related to begin with, is in poor taste and besmirches Kobe's character? I am not defending Kobe, mind you. I am merely voicing my objection with such a disgusting post. Shame on you!
Posted by: Roger | August 16, 2006 at 04:53 PM
Sonny:
Nolan know how to tell a winner from a loser. Rumph missed four tackles and allowed 2 long passes; next day he is gone. The Niners are coming back.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 16, 2006 at 05:05 PM
The Lamar Show:
Farmar sure does need to do something with his “do.” Even with a suit on, he still looked like he needed a cut.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 16, 2006 at 05:05 PM
Dan:
I loved Kareem in Airplane and in Game of Death. And Bruce will forever rule as one of my super heros.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 16, 2006 at 05:06 PM
Tsphere:
Good post about Jack. If he isn’t on the payroll, he should be. I have always loved his work but his recent “As Good as It Gets” and “Something’s Gotta Give” showed Jack is even getting better as he gets older.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 16, 2006 at 05:06 PM
JJ:
Got your back for sure on Mr.“Kupchck. He has done a great job bringing us back to a competing team just two years after the Shaq trade. Just look at how the Knicks and Celtics have done and, despite my love for JW, the Grizzlies are “never” going to win a championship. So be thankful, Laker fans, that we have Mitch.
Of course, your post naturally ignited another mini-burst in posts on the blog by those who foolishly think they can change reality by just posting their disagreement.
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 16, 2006 at 05:09 PM
Niner Bandwagon:
Here is a link to Bill Walsh's glowing comments on the "New" San Francisco Niners.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/15282176.htm
Tom
Posted by: LakerTom | August 16, 2006 at 05:29 PM