Easily the Best D-Fenders Head Coach in Franchise History
Marquette Assistant Coach Dan Panaggio was hired to lead the Lakers D-League team into their inaugural season. He's worked recently with the Blazers (presumably not as an "off the court" mentor) and racked a boatload of CBA wins (and not that various commonalities always guarantee similar larger scale success, but so did this character, who you may have heard of). The three-time CBA coach of the year won it all in '94 and '98, so expect to see him flashing those championship rings throughout games in an effort to intimidate the D-League opposition. "That's right! Those Quad City Thunder squads, baby! How you like me now, bee-yach!"
And for those sensitive types who can read anything as some kind of Kobe-Wade comparison, relax. Panaggio was never at Marquette during Dwyane's glory years. No connection to be had. Take it back down to orange.
—AK



Peter Macquire,
Are you suggesting that Steven, Zakee and others aren't just as much a part of and at least as important to this blog as you are?
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 20, 2006 at 04:05 PM
Actually, when we get into the season, I would like to visit the Clipper fans, all 20 of them, on their blog. If someone can post a link to the blog in question, I'd much appreciate it.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 20, 2006 at 04:13 PM
Mike,
Great quotes from Kobe! Where’d you find them? That's the kind of stuff I like to hear. I guess the old aloof and standoffish Kobe is dead and gone. He's being a true leader nowadays. Magic used to ALWAYS remind the Lakers of their worst losses and how they felt afterwards as a way to motivate them.
Peter,
Good post. You said a mouthful. However, it seems that the bloggers haven't heard the news that Indiana is no longer in the AH hunt. They've been denied. Either that, or the blog isn't posting right away.
From what I keep hearing on the radio, the Lakers have the best overall deal for AH on the table. It seems that unless Mitch trips over himself, we have AH if we want him.
The first question is if Mitch has enough gumption to pull that trigger. Then, the question becomes just how fast does the dude learn the triangle. What everyone seems to forget is that no matter how good you are, PJ won't give you significant minutes until you can run his offense.
--Fearless
Posted by: Fearless | August 20, 2006 at 05:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHUoMLhEGU
just something i found funny...
Go Lakers
Posted by: TrueLakerFan | August 20, 2006 at 05:28 PM
Peter you have no idea what you are talking about. You should stay in your womb!!
Posted by: Zakee | August 20, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Eric Pincus,
This trade must happen! What can we do as a group to support the trade for Harrington so that the Lakers will do this trade?! :) Listen guys, inserting Al into the line-up does not necessarily mean that Vlad won't start. If this happens, Odom can go to the point guard spot. He likes to play an all around game and he has the ability to run the break at times. No he is not as quick as the quickest guards like Chris Paul, but he would have the size advantage over everyone. Come on guys, think outside of the box.
Guards; Forwards/center;
Odom/Kobe Harrington/Vlad/Kwame
This line-up could be dominant! we have to support this. With this line-up, we would be elite again.
Ken
Posted by: Ken | August 20, 2006 at 07:53 PM
Zakee,
Good link. YouTube is the spot, isn't it? I saw that story when they first aired it. That ball boy should have known better. BTW, after dude finished his suicides, Kobe gave him the sneaks anyway, and signed them.
So, dude got a nice memento out of the whole deal.
This is WAY off topic, but a cool story, anyway. And it sort of fits with how ridiculously good most NBA'ers are when they aren't being guarded (like in practice).
I used to watch Tracy Murray (anyone remember him?) practice at Pauly Pavilion (he was in my class at UCLA) and he would take a rack of balls to the half-court line and practice shooting from there. He would launch them one-after-another like a machine gun. We would count how many were in the air at once and he would get about 3-4 airborne at once and they would just rain into the basket like swish-swish-swish-swish-swish-swish until they were all in. He would only miss about two or three from each rack each time he did it.
The display was just so surreal. And he would do this AFTER EVERY PRACTICE. Same results every time. His problem is that he was 6'10" and Dirk hadn't come around yet, so every NBA team kept trying to make him an inside player. He only had a so-so career. If he could have gone to Dallas or Phoenix or the Suns, dude would have been a star.
Cool story, but sorta sad too. It happens more in the NFL than the NBA, but if you wind up on the wrong team, that can ruin your whole career.
--Fearless
Posted by: Fearless | August 20, 2006 at 07:54 PM
Fearless,
I got it from:
http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm
You have to scroll down to find the article.
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | August 20, 2006 at 07:57 PM
Mike,
Really refreshing, and a good read. That's a nice scoop for the Boston Globe, I think. Would have been nice for one of our local papers to come up with stuff like that. But, then again, AK, BK, and the rest of the Bloggers here are really making up for that loss!
But, the way this stuff is coming out makes me wonder if THIS is the real Kobe and if the other, hidden Kobe wasn't just a front the whole time. It wouldn't be the first time, would it?
You know, I've met Kareem a few times and he's really personable, funny and fun. He got the Kobe rap for his ENTIRE career. Maybe Kobe can shed his dark image a little sooner...
That's why I love this blog. And, I'm an anti-blogging person for the most part.
--Fearless
Posted by: Fearless | August 20, 2006 at 08:21 PM
Speaking of youtube (I hope you're okay purpleandgold ;-), this thing (Kobe's game winner in game4) still give me goosebumps. I know it didn't exactly turn out great...but for that moment it was great! I think we'll find that that whole experience, the playoffs in general and game 4 in particular was the most valuable learning experience of the whole season. Go Lakers!
watch it with these in mind: http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/Kobersquos_Shot_Different_P.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXFRC0crqu8
Posted by: Faith | August 20, 2006 at 08:33 PM
Thanks for the link Mike T. I think this is brilliant: "I'm just making sure everybody is keeping the loss of last season fresh in their memories and is ready to go." It keeps the team hungry, purposeful and determined. That should make them just want to work that much harder. Go Lakers!
Posted by: Faith | August 20, 2006 at 08:39 PM
This is the link to the article:
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2006/08/20/moving_without_the_ball
Fearless,
I agree with you, I think it's a shame that the local media doesn't write articles like this one, or like other papers have written about Kobe.
When the latimes reported Kobe's visit to the boys and girls club and his deal with sony, the article was negative, it mentions things that are out of place. It seems that it hurts them that Kobe is getting deals, etc. That's why I posted another article about his visit instead of the latimes.
Is not that they only have to write or say good things about Kobe or the Lakers, but if it's something positive, keep it positive. But I guess that's how the latimes and the local media like to handle their newspapers.
Posted by: lakofan | August 20, 2006 at 08:39 PM
Fearless,
It's interesting that you brought up Kareem, because when I interviewed him earlier this season, I asked about the aloof reps he and Kobe shared. And Kareem basically said that in his case, it was deserved, his fault and something he regretted.
"AK: You dealt throughout your career with the label of being "aloof" or "distant." And Kobe has had to deal with it, too. You've both been in the position of having to lead a team while dealing with that reputation. Have you talked with Kobe at all about the challenge of getting past it, winning over people, teammates, the media, etc.?
KAJ: No, I haven't had a chance to talk with him about that. I certainly relate to him because the press can be merciless. And for someone in his position, where so often success or failure is on your shoulders, that makes him even more of a lightning rod. But I think he's trying to handle it in a good way. I think he's turned a corner, because he's basically a good human being. He's not a bad guy. I think his basic essence will be known at a certain point. He'll be able to show, through example, what he wants to show the public.
AK: Is it hard finding that balance between maintaining your privacy and letting in the fans and public a bit about who you are?
KAJ: It was difficult for me because in college, I was always told not to talk to the press. That was a problem. I had that mindset. And it was hard for me to overcome. It took a long time before I got a grasp of it. And after I retired and had a chance to deal with it, I realized how I had affected people's lives. I had no idea.
AK: What do you mean, specifically?
KAJ: How much people enjoyed what I did. What they were willing to share with me. Just like, the people that I've admired in my lifetime, when I've gotten to meet them, what a pleasure it is to be around them. I didn't understand that I also had affected people that way and that's what it was all about. I always saw it like they were trying to pry. I was way too suspicious and I paid a price for it."
Those sentiments more or less summarize why I've said many times that I hope Kobe can learn to open up more (and as a more natural instinctl). If for no other reason, it would just make his own life easier. He's made it much too unnecessarily complicated over the years by keeping too many people at a distance. I'm not saying he needs to become a quote machine who's "on" 24/7 or anything like that. Just less guarded. I think he's getting better, but still has progress to make.
And I'll tell you, Kareem may have paid a price for being suspicious during his career. But having talked to him for an hour, the fans run a very close second when it comes to losing out the most. He's hands down the most interesting person I've ever interviewed and can talk about a zillion subjects. He's still a private person, but I'm very glad somebody with as much to offer has become more comfortable sharing it on occasion.
AK
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2006/01/talking_with_ka_1.html#more
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2006/01/talking_with_ka_2.html#more
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 20, 2006 at 08:47 PM
Joninjapan
I would rather see Vlad as the 6th man since all he can do is shoot. Not only that but LO is a decent 3pt shooter with more to offer.
Guity
Clippers dont have any bloggers and I also checked their current threads and didnt see more than 20 comments on any of them. On the other hand we sometimes hit 100-200 in one day.
Mike T.
PART I
Ive said before I wouldnt mine having MIles IF he can come in here and play ball. No attitude and no outside problems to distract the team. To be honest thats pretty much why I dont want him. On the other hand AH doenst have none of those problems and its only about $1mil difference with better production and like I said is overall a better player.
PART II
If we get Al then Kwame wouldnt have to produce as much on the offense and he could concentrate on improving his defense (mostly help defense).
Faith
Couldnt have said it better myself. With Al its not much of a gamble since its obvious to see so many teams want him. Its not like Miles (not trying to take a shot at him) were teams dont want to take. There would be so many teams out there that would take him off our hands and we could demand someone pretty good. The only thing lost is one season (which we aint gonna win a ring) and thats about it. If he works we have another YOUNG AND TALENTED player and if he dont he has enough value to get someone back of great value.
Greek Dude
Kwame is only a dominant force when it comes down to playing one-on-one against true C which by the way there arent many in the NBA. If he improves other areas of his defense like his help defense (which would raise his blocks) then I wouldnt mine him being a type of player like Ben Wallace whose only job is to play defense and dunk the ball whenever he gets it tossed to him to hammer it down.
Fearless
We alreayd heard about the Indy trade being dead. This thread has actually reignited the Al harrington discussion again.
Posted by: Shady | August 20, 2006 at 10:25 PM
Odom at the 4:
I agree that LO was great at the PF spot last year against the suns. But we all have to admit that the suns werent exactly coming strong on the frontline last season. I have always felt that LO is better at the 3. He seems like he is too thin to take on the beefier guys that some teams carry uptop. Sure, he could handle the weak front of the suns. But what about a guy like Duncan or another good PF? What would we do against a real PF?
B.
Posted by: TheeCaliKing | August 20, 2006 at 10:27 PM
We'll unless you're into metaphysics and the power of prayer - I don't think there's anything the Laker fans can really do to foster a Harrington to the Lakers trade.
Posted by: Eric Pincus | August 20, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Eric,
I think you're selling the power of the blog a little short, man. For the last 6 weeks, readers have been clamoring 24/7 for Jerry Buss to hire Dan Panaggio as the D-Fenders coach. And look where we are now. haha
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 20, 2006 at 10:37 PM
Through metaphysics and the power of prayer?
Why didn't you say so???
Hey Lakeshow, we can really do it!
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 20, 2006 at 10:53 PM
Man, don't you just love Tiger Woods? LOL! He's the greatest golfer and I'm happy for him.
mike
Posted by: Michael Teniente | August 20, 2006 at 10:56 PM
SHADY and EVERYBODY else
in the FACT that if we get AL we'll have a great TRADE BAIT even if he doesn't WORK OUT, there is no question and I AGREE with you 100%
but I wanna TALK about something that I see in this blog and there is a GREAT POINT reagrding leadership to be made:
there is a LEVEL of healthy and respectful ARGUMENT going on in this BLOG that is PLEASANTELY SURPRISING. Considering the amount of DISAGREEMENT between the members, I think all the BLOGEES, being right or wrong, agreeing or disagreeing, put an ENORMEOUS amount of effort to not to PERSONALLY DISRESPECT one another. we are VERY consistant in TRYING to argue our POINTS without CLOSED MINDEDLY avoid our manners. I think this is the direct effect of the WAY K-BROS lead the WAY. and its AMAZING how GREAT LEADERSHIP always leads to SUCCESS (over 300 POSTS in a ONE or TWO day span, and ESPNIES reffering to this BLOG in thier NOTES). With all the QUESTIONS about KOBE's leadership with the LAKERS and how ESSENTIAL it is, I think we have a GREAT example in this BLOG. the HIGH LEVEL of success this COMMUNITY ENJOYS is a DIRECT EFFECT of the high level of its LEADERSHIP. and I think GREAT LEADERSHIP is the SINGLE most important ESSENCE of SUCCESS in a team and/or a community. How Kobe will LEAD this roster is going to effect how FAR this TEAM will REACH.
Posted by: rayray | August 20, 2006 at 11:04 PM
AK,
What would you like for Kobe to do so that you media guys stop saying he needs to be more open?
He is a public figure, but do you want him to be a Shaq type? What is it that you journalists dislike so much about him? Is it that he makes your life harder? Is it that you just can't figure him out?
What is it to you if his life is harder because of his attitude?
Isn't that better for you? ...More drama and all.
I think he's strong enough to handle it and I think that's what bothers journalist the most.
Since when is a person's personality (shyness, arrogance, whatever you want to call it) a concern to the journalists?
He's an athlete, his job is to perform on the court, not to please people by being open, nice, cater to journalist or whatever. That goes for all athletes not just Kobe.
The drama that goes on in sports today is the reason that people don't just enjoy a game, now is just drama and more drama to sell the game.
I truly get baffled when I read comments like ' Those sentiments more or less summarize why I've said many times that I hope Kobe can learn to open up more (and as a more natural instinctl). If for no other reason, it would just make his own life easier. He's made it much too unnecessarily complicated over the years by keeping too many people at a distance.'
So what? People at a distance? Who journalist? Teammates that were not behind him? People that he dislikes?
Posted by: lakofan | August 20, 2006 at 11:10 PM
Sonny,
Yeah, now your queens have hope; metaphysics. Go get em'. :)
Posted by: Ken | August 20, 2006 at 11:36 PM
Yes, Tiger is the man.
Tiger is to Golf what the Saint could and should be to NBA basketball.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 20, 2006 at 11:37 PM
Lakofan,
Apparently, you missed the part when I said that Kobe absolutely DIDN'T need to be a 24/7 quote machine (like, say, Shaq). I never asked him to put on a show for the media. It's not Kobe's job to entertain me. And for that matter, I take no pleasure in any personal problems Kobe's had, which should be clear from the way I've talked about him on the blog.
I'm definitely not saying he should become an open book. But a happy medium exists between being a private person (while in the public) and insulating yourself to a point where just about everybody, including teammates, has had trouble relating to you (and you to them). And there's been a lot of drama in Kobe's life that's been directly caused by him keeping teammates, coaches, and even those reportedly close to him at a distance. That's been a problem, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. People aren't just making this up. Even if you've personally found it to be an issue, enough people in Kobe's life have, so perhaps it's worth a little more consideration than you're giving it.
You sarcastically bring up "teammates that were not behind him" as a faction he kept at a distance. Well, maybe if he hadn't worked so hard to separate himself from them, they might have had his back a little more from the outset. It's a two-way street.
Same thing with a relationship with the media. If you (and legions of Kobe fans) want the media to be less suspicious of Kobe (and they've sometimes been unfair in the past/present) and give him more of a clean slate, it would help if he were less guarded around them. Trust breeds more trust and it takes effort from both parties.
It's also funny how I can present a wish that would tremendously help and benefit Kobe and you automatically take it as "hating." Are you that sensitive towards anything involving Kobe? I had nothing but positive wishes/results for the guy and you're taking it like an insult. Why is that?
Again, I'm echoing Kareem's thoughts, who experienced all this himself during his career, regrets it and knows it could have been avoided. And Kareem thought it was applicable to Kobe as well. I'd love to see Kobe shake this at some point in his career. But if you'd rather see him keep experiencing it than say anything that might be construed as "hating," so be it. That just, as you put it, "baffles" me.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 20, 2006 at 11:48 PM
RayRAYRayRAYRay,
You say "...there is a LEVEL of healthy and respectful ARGUMENT going on in this BLOG that is PLEASANTLY SURPRISING"
I concur, and I also think you are trying to kill me. Maybe everybody.
Lower to higher case casualties.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 20, 2006 at 11:49 PM
there was a piece on 60 minutes tonight about michael jordan and at one point he was asked about the crticism he has received throughout his career as well as after about his hesitance in speaking up about politics. they wanted to know why he didn't express himself and use his clout as the greatest bball player of all time to spread his views much like muhammed ali or jackie robinson. he basically said that it was his job to play basketball and to worry about being the best there ever was and nothing else. i think its similar to what kobe and many great athletes go through. it's their number one priority (as it relates to their professional career) to be the best performer they can be and at the same time be respectful to the media and fans. kobe fulfills his first priority better than anyone else and is respectful to the media and unlike other athletes that are painted as media friendly yet don't talk to them for long stretches (ahem SHAQ!), kobe does the interviews but shields himself as well. just because he doesn't expose everything about himself doesn't make him a bad guy... the media is just pissed cause he doesn't want to be their best friends and who can blame the guy after some of the stuff they write about him.
Posted by: taka | August 20, 2006 at 11:54 PM
AK,
How would you work the rotation if we pick up AH?
Posted by: Marcus | August 21, 2006 at 12:13 AM
Marcus,
While I'm still skeptical about them getting Harrington (which you should take as a good sign, since I'm often wrong about everything... haha), if they did get him, I'd predict a starting lineup of:
Smush, Kobe, Harrington, LO, Kwame.
Main bench rotation: (not the exact order, obviously): Vlad, Walton, Evans, Shammond, Turiaf (or whoever is the vet big I have to guess they'll add in Mihm's absence).
I could see them maybe starting Vlad and playing Harrington off the bench (gives the 2nd unit a little more scoring versatility), but Harrington's the better player, so I imagine he'll get the nod. But I do think we'd also see a fair amount of a big lineup with LO, Kobe, Harrington, Vlad and Kwame. They may experience some defensive glitches at times. But on the flip side, a unit where a 6'6" Kobe's the shortest guy would be a nightmare for the other team to guard, too.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 21, 2006 at 12:23 AM
AK,
That big line-up could be something special. Teams would have to match-up to the Lakers for a change. I think they could get away with it. Didn't Odom play mosly point guard at R.I.?
Posted by: Ken | August 21, 2006 at 12:39 AM
OK Alright - RAY RAY whoever you are I guess I should be more respectful, but darn it can you stop trying so hard to irritate my eyes on those pOsTs!
Mike T – Unbelievable, when Tiger is on he is magical. He sure does dominate the Golf world, I feel sorry for the rest of the PGA. We are watching the Michael Jordan of Golf.
AK great stuff on Kareem, that guy was a stone wall when I tried to talk at him a few times in his playing days. Michael Cooper and Magic made up for him though. Rambis was the most friendly and open guy of all and never acted to good for us- just one of the guys.
Anyway...Never mind my sly remarks Zakee, Steven and whoever else comes in here just wasting space and babbling garbage. I suppose my rants and scribble can be just as bad at times and even though I hate almost all of SonnyBelfasts posts, he is funny and doesn't truly embarrass himself near as bad as Steven. I think mainly because he loves the Queens/Kings and probably listens to Grant Napier- that is enough for me to not want any news about the Kings here. (Sactown hates the Lakers, although when the Lakers come to town there is a nice mix of Laker Support in ARCO ARENA) Sonny is fun to pick on because we own the Kings and we have basically destroyed them as a franchise with Shaq's quotes just killing the press and the whole town while we stole their chances to be a contender for several years running. Tough to say how much money I made on the Sacramento faithful while I lived there. Sonny I am no more important than anyone anywhere except where I am the Boss and Checkwriter. Have fun, be happy, sorry about the Kings again, and good luck Niners.
The Kings do have great fans though, and maybe the mini-me (Mussleman) coach can get the engine running. Good luck with Ron Artest, (he’s about to blow) and Musselman and add Bonzi - who had Musselman as an assistant in Memphis - ouch. Musselman alienated a lot of players at Golden State, hope he doesn’t repeat that there.
I think if you are here and contributing then you must like this blog as much as I do, I can’t change your opinions but sometimes I wish I could make a few of you read a few more books and play about 12 years of basketball along with coaching and refereeing just to give you a little insight of what I see on the floor and in the changes of the game. I am old guys - just a little bit of knowledge and respect for the game.
You guys are great and good for the blog, have fun and go ahead and bash away, I can take it and if we ever meet good luck on diplomacy.
Just kidding, no hard feelings, hahahaha!
The Blog has a lot of great postings and as ridiculous as it gets, my posts included, I enjoy it- thanks for all the awesome Laker news and gossip.
Kobe seems to be gathering himself into maturity and becoming a leader. The press is working for him if he knows how to work it and I think we might see a new wrinkle in his game this year. The move to go to Japan was smart, very much a good PR move and just having opposing teams see him in the audience knowing he is another factor to add into the US team – that has to put a lot of fear into the opposition. It would have been nice to see him play alongside these other all-stars. I really thought he might have done a lot more passing and helping others get better if he had been able to play with them. Then of course it would have also been nice to see who was given the ball at the end of a tight game- Kobe, Carmelo, Wade or LeBron…nice problem to have.
GO USA, more importantly go Lakers! Mitch it seems like you should be on the phone a lot this weekend, good luck. Spend the Bosses money and make it up to him in the playoffs. We have to get back to winning.
too long I know- sorry
Posted by: Peter Maguire | August 21, 2006 at 12:52 AM
AK,
I am not saying Kobe is a saint or that he was blame free of certain problems with some teammates, that's why I said people he doesn't like.
But in your response you didn't answer my questions, what is it to you or to the journalists?
Nothing in my opinion.
You make it seem like if when I say something about the media it hits you personally, why should it? You have said many times that you are different, so why does it affect you so much?
I can assure you that when I criticize the media your name is not in with them. But since you interact with them and you are after all a journalist, I ask what is it to all of you?
Is not about Kobe, it's about him right now, but I could make a case for many other athletes that the media doesn't like because these athletes are not personable, but in reality it's because they don't cater to the media, plain and simple.
Kobe is a great athlete can we agree on that?
He does not need to be opening up to the people he doesn't feel comfortable with. Sometimes people are like that, they are extremely private, and only open up to people they are truly comfortable with.
I will not bring up the names of other basketball players, but I've heard that a certain media darling is very diva like and if the media doesn't cater to him, he doesn't talk to them until he feels like it. Does he get any criticism? NO.
You always say hate, I never said you hated or were hating on Kobe. I'm simply asking you a couple of questions to make me understand what's the problem with Kobe not being more media friendly, teammate friendly, friendly friendly, etc.
It's his problem to have the attitude he wishes, as long as he plays extremely well, answer media questions about his game, no tabloid news obviously, and he’s polite to fans. The rest is not the media's problem.
If he doesn't want to socialize outside of basketball with certain co-workers it’s his problem, he may or may not have his reasons, but he's entitle to do what he pleases. As you and I are.
Posted by: lakofan | August 21, 2006 at 12:59 AM
I love the big lineup.
Posted by: Marcus | August 21, 2006 at 01:01 AM
Lakofan and Fearless: Great Posts guys (or girls?)
AK there was a reporter today that asked Tiger Woods after his mastery of the PGA today "Why didn't he sign more autographs for kids like Phil Milkelson did during warmups"?
My question to you is Who has the "issue"......Tiger or that journalist?
In your examination of Kobe Bryant have you ever paused to examine yourself? Is it within the realm of possibilities that you have a problem.....and you need to improve your perception of Kobe? Is that possible?
What can you do to write more positive stories like Shira Springer of the Boston Globe? Why was Shira able to pierce this supposed veil that covers Kobe all the way from Boston......and you can't get an interview right here in L.A. with Kobe?
When I read the local columns about Kobe it is tantamount to reading the funny papers because it is pure comedy. Let me give you an example.
You wrote in your response to "fearless" that Kobe needs to "open up more" and that he has distanced himself from too many people.......What qualifies you to make this assessment? Are you qualified? Who the heck are you to make that analysis about a person you admitedly don't know.
That's a complete contradiction.....is it not?
Maybe just maybe you're insecure masquerading as arrogant.....what do you think?
One characteristic that Kobe has and all the greats seem to have is to completely tune people out and focus on the task at hand.....he has uncanny focus like Tiger and Barry Bonds. It appears he can totally separate himself from all the media madness AND PERFORM.....which is the reason we have come to know Kobe......HIS PERFORMANCE.
Who knows maybe all the people that see a media bias and pure hatred coming from the media towards Kobe are imagining this and you are correct that Kobe needs to "change" I guess to appease these writers.
Maybe all the people are imagining not one article written on espn about Kobe's deal with Sony playstation and that not being a topic on this blog.
Maybe the people are imagining the spread in this months ESPN the magazine called "Snakes on a plane" featuring a picture of Kobe and a bunch of people nobody can identify.
But by chance this bias against Kobe is correct then maybe it isn't Kobe that needs to change.....maybe journalist should get back to reporting the news and stop trying to create the news.
What do you think?
Posted by: pfunk36 | August 21, 2006 at 01:07 AM
Lakofan,
When someone is on a team it is like he is part of a family. Anyone who has played a sport knows this. This is especially true when this player is playing professionally. The best player on the team (or in the world) is going to be looked up to and turned to for leadership, on and off the court. If that member of the family is aloof or doesn't interact well with others then it will cause huge waves. I think that this is Kobe's team now (since Shaq left) and he is taking all the right steps to fix the problems which existed on the last dynasty.
Regardless of what Kobe does now he is going to have an uphill battle. The guy feuded with Shaq and Malone, Phil called him uncoachable, the old team called him out on being too aloof, he cheated on his wife and was almost charged with rape. I am a huge Kobe fan, but those are the facts. In spite of the cons listed previously his gameplay, the success of the Lakers, and his new role as the primary leader of the Lakers can make the media shine more favorably towards him. Most people will always love him or hate him, though.
Posted by: Marcus | August 21, 2006 at 01:22 AM
I find myself agreeing with your post in much the same manner a fat little skunk might react for the first time to a good whiff of her own perineal gland. While intensley malodorous, it smells familiar and mostly agreeable.
You said: "The drama that goes on in sports today is the reason that people don't just enjoy a game, now is just drama and more drama to sell the game"
I concur, although in NoCal, much greater emphasis seems to be afforded the basketball game, and not the mind game. Good citizenship is a compulsory fait accompli for a King. Let your ball playing and teamwork represent you. This is why historically, "bad boys" thrive in Sacramento. Of course, one sling of a drink could change all of that quicker than you can say Ron Ron at Arco.
I would suggest that no players are given heavier label or public image burdens to carry than Brokebacks. It goes with the territory, and for the most part, Brokebackers thrive on it. Just take a gander at this blog; it's phenomenal.
Like I said in an earlier post, there is a price to be paid for demanding the attention. You don't get to choose when people talk or what they say about you. Showtime.
None of the top athletes in any professional sport are choir boys, their respective alternate images notwithstanding. Outside of basketball performance and the good little deeds stories, little else gets my attention, which is probably how many athletes want it.
What does get my attention are robbery, DUI, assault and other serious charges. If players are too immature or criminal to function, I want them out of the sport, or at least off of my team. I don't care how gifted they may be as players.
As for labels, images and the sort, Phooey! One month of good play by an athlete helping his team out and new images and labels will replace the old ones quicker than the Saint got born again. Simple as that.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 21, 2006 at 01:23 AM
Lakofan,
I can't speak for all journalists, but this issue mattters to be an a writer because it affects him and his teammates, his coaches, etc. Kobe's isolating himself affects the team dynamic. If you're writing about the team (and the NBA in general), you can't ignore that. It's pretty simple. And yes, the "drama" of it all is also interesting. Some of it may be tabloidy crap, but some of it is also legit insight into the team.
Also, just to clarify my position, I don't consider this a matter of Kobe socializing constantly with his teammates. He's absolutely not obligated to do that. He simply shouldn't isolate himself from them. It's about letting your guard down and being more approachable. That's not a question of revealing your most personal secrets. It's a question of not actively putting up a wall, which has often been an issue with Kobe.
Are there some media members who don't like Kobe's personality and their writing reflects that? Absolutely. Is that fair? In most cases, probably not. But the flip side of that is that Kobe's still-guarded nature has also made it so people don't always trust his motives or believe when he's doing "the right things." Which I think is unfortunate for Kobe and I'd love to see change. And it seems like most Kobe fans would, too, since they're sick of him getting bad coverage. But like I said, that will only come after an effort from both ends.
Also, I'm gonna go out on a limb that the media darling you're referring to is Shaq (if I'm wrong, my apologies). And yeah, Shaq can be moody with the media. But when he doesn't talk to them, he absolutely gets called out. A lot. When Shaq didn't speak to the media after that 5 point playoff game, it was all over SportsCenter and discussed heavily in a lot of papers. And there have been a couple times when he was boycotting the media and a thing was made of it. So that's not entirely accurate.
If "hate" was too strong on my part, sorry about that. I'm used to the way the general blogging nation reacts to most things involving Kobe (often "hating" accusations). But if that was overanalysis on my part, my apologies. I should probably know by now that you often sound more annoyed in type-format than you actually are in real life. haha
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 21, 2006 at 01:31 AM
The turtle doesn't bare its little head until the labels, images and -he said she saids- in a prophetic "looking glass" sort of way become more important than play on the court.
Oh, don't get me wrong. All of this is fun stuff. It's just that in the final analysis, most of it is irrelevant to actual play and outcomes in the games, or should be.
You see, it's the games. I create my own images about players from the games. I also create my own images of image creators and labels for label makers. They are often knowledgable and entertaining. But they aren't the game. They aren't the players. They're paid to talk (keep it stirred up) and I appreciate them for that.
This is why, Mr.(Everybody Loves) Macquire, it will be especially pleasant returning the favor the next few years...in a row. We're tough. The dynasty starts in 2007; a dynasty of Kings.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 21, 2006 at 02:04 AM
Pfunk,
In my mind, I'm "qualified" to "judge" (if you even want to call it that) certain things regarding Kobe because I've spent the last 6 years around the team. And have interacted some with Kobe. And watched him interact with other people. And talked with people ranging from teammates to other NBA players to writers who've spent a ton of time around Kobe. And frankly, I do this for a living. I do my homework. Do I know Kobe well? No. Am I the ultimate source of insight into Kobe's soul? No. But I also haven't ripped particularly deep into his soul, either. So I think that's a pretty reasonable trade off.
As for examining my feelings towards Kobe, I haven't, because I don't need to. I don't have a problem with Kobe. Period. I just don't think he's beyond criticism. But I try to balance it with the positive things I've written about him, of which there's been many. And for that matter, I've never been terribly harsh on him. I've never gotten into big-time character issues. This blog is not in the "Kobe burying" business. I'm just not simply 100% positive with Kobe. And I don't feel I have to be in order to be fair (or to attempt fairnes, if nothing else).
And as I said before, it's funny to me how I originally brought this up as a means of making Kobe's life simpler and easier, because that's something I wouldn't mind seeing. I don't know why that would spark accusations of somehow being against Kobe. That seems strange to me.
And to answer your last question, I agree that the media has sometimes blown up certain things with Kobe bigger than they are. But I also Kobe fans are also often a little quick to dismiss some legit negatives as "hating." The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
We've been posting links throughout the summer about Kobe's charity work. As for the Sony Playstation deal, I personally didn't put up a link about it because people were already discussing it a bit in some threads. It felt redundant to me giving a separate post to something I didn't think was that big a story. How much can you discuss a video game? If I erred, I erred. Won't be the last time, I'm guessing.
AK
Posted by: Andrew Kamenetzky | August 21, 2006 at 02:22 AM
Reality Check:
If the Brokebacks can't be real good, then I want them to be very entertaining. They need at least one flambuoyant shooter superstar to get the job done.
C'mon now, you know you're not really even close to being one of the elites again, but you might just end up with an individual scoring title again, or even an MVP trophy!!! That's good.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 21, 2006 at 02:43 AM
71 days and a wake-up.
We'll be seeing you at your place before then in the pre-season. Don't take it to heart when the Kings dismantle you. It's only pre-season.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 21, 2006 at 02:46 AM
Niners ouch!
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 21, 2006 at 02:54 AM
AK -
That "big lineup" -recipe for disaster.
Remember a couple of years back in the All Star game when the West startred a frontcourt of Shaq, Duncan, and KG? Everyone said they were unbeatable but a way smaller East frontline with Vince Carter ran circles around them. Which is what Nash and Barbosa or Parker and Genobli will do if Lamar had to guard one of them. And that West team had two guards to offset the smaller faster East.
Kobe is a defensive 3 as much as a 2 (look how well he guards LeBron or T-Mac), and Lamar is a 3 or 4. We need at least one true guard in the lineup or defensively we won't have a chance against the Suns, Spurs, or Mavs. And if we use Kobe against Nash, Terry etc, all that chasing around will hurt his offensive production, which is the core of our scoring.
All of which is why I DON'T want Harrington and DO want an upgrade at point guard.
Posted by: Jay Jay | August 21, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Oakland Raiders looked good.
A lot more of Smiths passes will be caught as he and the new recievers grow to know each other.
Gut feeling. Alex looks like the man.
Posted by: sonnybelfast | August 21, 2006 at 03:28 AM
AK,
You are so right on the money. Though, I never asked any questions that dealt with Kareem's relationship with the press since I'm not with the press, I could instantly see the dichotomy of the whole situation. Though, I don't remember ever feeling like what I was reading about him was ever true. But, that was probably because I thought I "knew" him. Though, I probably feel more like I "know" him than he does. He may not even remember me. I think that's the dynamic of being a fan. You shake a star's hand, and all of a sudden you feel like you're an expert on the person. I realize that, so you guys should probably take these things I say with a grain of salt.
But, one thing that shocked me was to learn that he was a fan of mine. When in High School I was one of the top prep sprinters and had won a few big meets and set a couple or records and wound up on scholarship at UCLA. He had actually seen some of my meets and was effusive with the praise.
Can you imagine that for a 16-year-old? He's a BIG Jazz guy and interested in all sorts of things. Amazing dude. If you want to know, we talked mostly about Bruce Lee, one of my all-time idols. Fascinating talks.
You know, now that I think of it, it was probably kinda rude to talk to one star about another star. But, he didn't make me feel like that at all. He didn't seem to need or want the usual ego bolstering, "you're the greatest person ever -- tell me everything about yourself" talk. He was happy to talk about the petty teenage stuff I wanted to talk about.
My private, inner, deep-down hope is The Captain becomes the head coach of the Lakers at some point. But, that is an opinion that I share with very few people, because I know it makes me look crazy.
--Fearless
Posted by: Fearless | August 21, 2006 at 07:50 AM
LakoFan,
"He's an athlete, his job is to perform on the court, not to please people by being open, nice, cater to journalist or whatever. That goes for all athletes not just Kobe."
Professional athletes are more than just ballplayers, they are entertainers. That involves catering to the fans. Part of that is to be "open, nice" and available to journalists, to a certain extent. Kobe, early in his career, tended to be on the side of not being open enough.
Posted by: exhelodrvr | August 21, 2006 at 07:54 AM
AK,
I log in monday morning only to find you've been causing havoc. Your comments:
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You sarcastically bring up "teammates that were not behind him" as a faction he kept at a distance. Well, maybe if he hadn't worked so hard to separate himself from them, they might have had his back a little more from the outset. It's a two-way street.
]
Emphasis on the two-way street. You've often talked about blind love kobe fans often reveal. Well I've said this before, and repeating it now. It's the one sided view the media often takes when it comes to Kobe that is the root of that love. And before you jump into a "oh i wrote a positive article when he scored 81" mode, yes we concede there are articles out there that are positive. But just as I'd have a problem with an article that says "wow, kobe's 81 point performance proves he's better than jordan" (i.e. it's too biased in favor of kobe ) irrespective of how many negative articles the author has written in the past, i have a problem with one sided negative articles irrespective of how many so called positive articles the author has written on other topics.
Point being, before you go I've written other positive articles on Kobe, what's the subject matter. If it's on his ability to put the ball in the hole, well no matter how biased you are you can't write it because his game speaks for itself, the best you can do is say maybe Lebron is better, and that doesn't really count as negative. So AK, point us to the +ve articles you've written about Kobe's follies with his teammates. Sure no matter how socially inept this dude is, he most have had good moments with his teammates, have you ever captured any of this, to try and balance the whole Kobe teammate issue. And no mentioning in passing that he's getting along better with Smush and Co, doesn't count since it doesn't balance the whole article dedicated to how kobe's never gotten along with his teammates.
So before I'm labeled as having blind love for Kobe ( which is true, but i doesnt cloud my view, i'm ok with saying my man kobe shouldn't have discussed Shaq's affairs with the cops but i still love him ), here are some angles that might help balance your story the next time you write the millionth story on how kobe doesnt get along with teammates:
i. He came into the league at 17 speaking of 2way streets, how much effort did his teammates make to reach out to him. Was there resentment of the hotshot kid...ala shaq's slapping kobe in practice and then putting it into his book
ii. Were his teammates at times fake...ala shaq carrying kobe on his back and it being all love...did they truly get along then and how did it go sour
iii. Why do his current teammates say they're ok with him. What's could he do better that you see but his teammates don't.
iv. Can you post quotes of teammates saying they have problems with him. Or about how his so called aloofness affects play on the court. Are these players credible?
v. What about folks he had a good relationship with, ala Ron Harper, Brian Shaw...what are their takes.
vi. What kind of character does it show for a man to be willing to put aside "uncoachable" comment in a book. Is it just his desire to win or is there an element of for the good of the team that he should be given credit to.
vii. The famous game 7...kobe quiting...kobe showing up his teammates...did you try to seek out his teammates and ask for their take on it...kobe's i stuck to the plan was waived off by the media...phil jackson backing it up was waived off....was their any due diligence done on your part to try and get the story from his teammates, what was their take. Do you see how a fan can get upset when you disreagard the story from the horses mouth and you say you give an opinion on what was going on in their head without corraborating it with much more than your interpretation of the game tape.
viii. the sacremento fiascao as well as the sun game 7...any due diligence on your part to run some stats...e.g. kobe in his career has never taken less than 3 shots in a half...this year no other go to guy took less than 3 shots in a half...in mj's career he never took less than...did your stats guy crunch the numbers to give you the ammo you need to back your opinions.
I could go on and on. But my point is, when you do write that negative post about kobe it'd be nice if it wasn't based on just your subjective opionions ( irrespecive of how long you've known kobe ) but backed with something credible. And wouldn't it be great if there was some balance such as wow he didn't get along with 7 of the guys but 5 of them had no issues...and come to think of it t-mac had issues in toronto but when he moved to blah it was a breath of fresh air. You know a little due diligence on your part would make it seem less like a personal attack on kobe, and once again that positive article he loves chocolate ice-cream has no bearing on a one sided attack on how he hates tex winter, i.e. it doesn't make it any less one sided
Kapish
In Kobe we Trust,
Go Lakers
Posted by: Taliq | August 21, 2006 at 08:10 AM
Sonny,
"C'mon now, you know you're not really even close to being one of the elites again"
I can agree with that. But you have to take an honest look at your team (as much as they are on the up and up). They have as much of a chance as the Lakers. No more, no less. Sure Bibby lost 18 lbs and sure Brad Miller looks like a hick, but that's not guaranteeing you 5 more wins.
It will be a fun season, but your optimism for the Kings only rivals ours for the Lakers. When you visit Staples, can I be the first to meet you at Fox Sports bar? You can buy me a drink when the Kings lose and I promise to protect you from overaggressive Laker fans.
Pfunk,
You never post much, but I always find yours to be well thought out. Thanks for your comments.
AK,
You're always needlessly defending yourself. Hope you haven't become demoralized.
Posted by: S.Tan | August 21, 2006 at 08:49 AM
You know,
Part of Kobe's problem is that he's a star in the town that Magic built. When you list the players that were the "greatest of all time" while they played, most had a very contentious relationship with the press.
Bird
Bonds (even before steroids)
Tiger
Kareem
Jordan (yes, even he)
Babe
Bogs
McInroe
Some of these negative personas are more deserved than others, but it must not be ignored that being a GOAT almost necessarily means getting boatloads of negative press. Regardless of who you are, who you let in, or who you shun. Too many athletes have had their lives turned upside-down because they were too accommodating to the press. I think much more so than the damage created by shunning the press. Why else do you think that the prevailing advice given to up and coming stars in to keep the press at a distance.
That is a cold, hard fact that the press often ignores when they set about to bash someone. That is something I did learn from my Kareem encounters. And, I didn't have to ask him about it, I just figured it out for myself. And I was only 16 at the time.
In LA, we were blessed with the only two true shining examples that I am completely wrong: Magic and Gretzky. They, however, actually are the exceptions that sort of prove the rule.
Magic to the degree that his extra-marital transgressions are so overwhelmingly worse than Kobe's that it really shows the bias against Kobe. Magic risked the lives of both his wife and his daughter. It was only dumb luck that neither contracted AIDS from his mis-deeds. Can you imagine the level of utter catastrophe that would have befallen his family, the Laker Family, the city, everyone, if he had lost that very stupid gamble?
Yet, just because he's personable, Magic got always almost Scott-free. Well, Malone and his stupid public remarks sure did help deflect some of the spotlight away. So, we should remember to give him a nice assist to Magic (for a change).
BTW, I find that it isn't a coincidence that Malone got into another public tiff with another Laker GOAT when he flirted with Kobe's wife. Which I totally believe from a person who has already publicly shown his bigotry.
Well, I could be completely wrong. But, that's the impressions I get.
--Fearless
Posted by: Fearless | August 21, 2006 at 08:55 AM
From today's San Francisco Chronicle
"Meanwhile, Golden State appears to have received yet another lifeline in its pursuit of Al Harrington. The Hawks' forward is still on the market, despite switching agents from Andy Miller to Arn Tellem, after a sign-and-trade deal between Atlanta and Indiana reportedly was nixed by Pacers ownership.
According to two league sources, the Warriors have revived discussions with three teams on a multiple-player swap, with the principal parts involving Mike Dunleavy Jr. going to the Clippers, Corey Maggette to Denver and Joe Smith to Atlanta, with the Warriors getting Harrington.
Though it would be a thorny transaction to meet salary-cap requirements, Tellem represents both Harrington and Dunleavy. A similar multi-team deal was discussed in Las Vegas during the summer league, according to one of the sources.
Another potential snag, however, appears to be the status of Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy Sr., a main proponent of the team's interest in Dunleavy Jr.. The coach is entering the final year of his contract and would like an extension after guiding his team to the Western Conference semifinals."
I like Mitch Kupchak's patient approach to this matter. There is no need to back up the truck and give away the vault for Al. It would be "nice" if we got him, but the "price" we would have to pay is most important.
Posted by: Glenn | August 21, 2006 at 09:14 AM
Nobody should ever trust the media for whatever reason. Everybody is always in it for themsleves first, so is the media, the atletes, and a carpenter.. Nobody trust the media anyways, really the media has to work to gain the trust of the people again because they've lost it with the crab they write, wheather is to create a perception about someone, or make a story out of nothing.
I like that Kobe doesnt open up and it kills the media people cuz he is doing it his way. Kobe will always be remembered more than Kareem will, cuz he has something nobody can explain, and he occupies a unique spot in the 21st century as far as sport history. I don't think LAtimes jornalist will ever embrace Kobe, but Kobe is LA and he doesnt need the times or espn. Notice how both have lost their honesty and interigity when it comes to Lakers fan, we plain dont trust them anymore. Sportscenter is now a joke compared to what it used to be.
As laker fans we should not care anymore if the media embraces or writes positive feedback about Kobe, because when he retires they will miss him more than he will miss them. Downplaying kobes' 81 point game is one of the greatest injustices in sport history in the 21st century. The night when I saw 81 points scrolling down ESPN ticker, my roommate and I where actually calling God's name cuz we could not believe it. Our reaction was priceless. I kept telling him one of these games Kobe will blow up that we wont even imagine and he did, and I was even blow away cuz I was expecting like 65 points when he would blow up and he did with Dallas but we never saw 81 coming. I thought we would never hear a media criticms once about Kobe about what he did that night and 50% of the media had something negative to say, 25% wrote a positive piece but did not really want to acknowlege it. 25% wrote a honest piece and wrote what that game really meant. It was the best game a bball player ever played at the highest level.
From there I can careless what the media has to write about or say about Kobe, there are certain writers I will read that will tell it like it is about Kobe and athletes in general and thats Scoop Jackson.
That's my word
Posted by: Truth | August 21, 2006 at 09:23 AM