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The Triumphant Return of Dudes Who've Actually Played for the Lakers

I didn't actually attend yesterday's SPL opening fiesta, but the general consensus seems to be that most guys looked somewhere between average and nondescript. Even more troubling (for those who like to press the panic button after one SPL game) was that Jordan Farmar aside, the cats whom you actually know and love (Andrew Bynum, Von Wafer, Devin Green) were especially unimpressive. Well, going off said sentiment, I imagine today's game, a 97-69 smoking of the "Dallas Mavericks," was a decided improvement. In particular, last year's rooks (who are this actually squad's vets, relatively speaking) made their presence felt.

Before I get into the game itself, a brief side note. The Mavs squad features a guy named DeAngelo Collins from Inglewood High. I had completely forgotten about this kid, but once I saw the name, I instantly remembered the articles about him getting into all sorts of trouble (not to mention going undrafted out of high school). I had no idea what had become of him, but all kidding aside, I'm relieved to see he's actually alive. Best of luck in what appears to be a life on track.

Anyway, your rundown, mostly focusing on last year's holdovers...

Andrew Bynum - I know BK already pointed it out, but it bears a second mention. Kid done swole up (and played with his socks pulled up)! He's starting to fill out and look like a man. I asked him what he's clocking in at these days and he estimated around 280. And judging by his play today, he's comfortable carrying the added bulk around. He pretty much had his way in the paint, as evidenced by the 14 points, 15 rebounds and 5 blocks in 31 minutes (most of which came in the first half, since he didn't even play in the fourth). Offensively, he hit a couple baby hooks, a half layup/half jumper-looking thing (ugly but effective) and threw down a serious dunk off a Devin Green alley-oop. Socks also stayed out of foul trouble, which he said wasn't so much from making adjustments from yesterday as the refs calling things differently. That must have been the case, because he actually drew "and one's" today instead of giving them away (free throws that he made the most of by sinking four of five). All in all, a very good day. But not revolutionary. Again, Bynum's not even a year into voting privileges and the best player he went against today was probably Jelani McCoy, so don't expect these numbers everyday. As Kurt Rambis reminded us, "when we first got him, he was a project. He's still a project." If Bynum's playing 10 to 15 mpg next season, consider the experiment moving along nicely. Be patient.

Von Wafer - The Lakers Blog favorite had a rough first half, going 1-6 with his only bucket coming after a complete mental lapse. With a little over eight seconds left in the first, the Mavs scored and the ball was inbounded to Wafer. Inexplicably, Wafer was way nonchalant taking the ball upcourt, even slapping a low five to a teammate under the basket (I think he was trying to keep the guy's spirits up after allowing the Dallas score, but "time and place," Von!). Kid was actually risking an eight-second violation with basically only eight seconds on the clock. Finally, Rambis starting screaming about the clock and Wafer quickly chucked, drilling it from behind the arc. Nice recovery, but probably not how the coaching staff would have drawn things up. But the second half basically belonged to Wafer. He went 7-9, spending much more time taking the ball strong to the rack and under control (sorry, BK). He also had a nice couple of defensive sequences (three steals, all in the second half). Wafer said he's being asked to run the offense and read situations a little more, a switch from last season's summer league days (and 2006 in general) when he came in "wild and raw, just doing what I had been doing my whole life, shooting the ball." Rambis said today's game was an improvement and truth be told, Wafer actually seems a little more mature. (Again, my condolences to BK.)

Devin Green - Another guy who didn't do much in the first half (unless missing all five shot attempts was part of their set plays), but seriously came alive in the second, where he went 6-7 and played aggressively from minute one. Aside from a lazy inbound that resulted in a turnover, Green didn't do a whole lot wrong to close his day out. He and Jordan Farmar had a nice two man going for a few possessions, executing some smooth ball movement. "He's a pure point guard and I can always get along with people like that," joked Green.  Rambis said they're counting on defensive intensity from Green and an increased ability to find players when they're open, much of which was on display. "He had a nice little thing in the second half where he was making shots and making the right passes and the right reads.... We just gotta go from there." I still think Green has a shot at making the team, but he's gotta keep working.

Jordan Farmar - After the game, your No. 26 pick said that he understands what he's been taught about the triangle thus far. Judging by his performance, I believe him. He looked absolutely comfortable calling out instructions, pointing people in various directions and generally being a leader. On the offensive side of the rock, he's got a lot going for him. He hit everything from treys to 8-foot floaters. He also had some terrific passes, including a behind the back dime leading to a Pinnock layup and a sweet dish as Green cut to the basket. Not surprisingly, Rambis complimented his instincts. Defensively, he got beat a couple times, but also came up with four steals, so that's certainly nice compensation. Now before getting all excited and ahead of yourself, yesterday and today are no indication that he's ready to take Smush's job. Remember, it's a lot different being guarded by Jason Kidd than whoever Ben Hunt is. While it's obviously not inconceivable, let's keep some perspective. But I do think he could get some minutes during the regular season.

Danilo "J.R." Pinnock - First time I've ever seen him play. Solid outing. Very athletic, very active and played very under control (nada turnovers). 11 points, four boards, a dime and a block. He even went coast to to coast for a layup after his swat. Can he make the team? Obviously, now's too early for speculation, but it'll be a tough road, regardless of his success. It's a guard heavy roster that doesn't appear to be getting guard-light anytime soon. (Say hey, Shammond???) But I would think he's making a case for himself.

Marcus Douthit - Another day in a row of hitting the boards. Ten in all, plus four dimes. A lot of energy and plays with mucho vigor. He didn't display any offense to speak of, but that's not where he's focusing himself unless called upon. "The Lakers don't need anybody who can score," Douthit noted. "They got Kobe and Lamar...I don't really worry about it as long as I rebound the ball." Like Pinnock, Douthit could fall prey to a numbers game, but he's worth keeping an eye on (especially if you're another team with an open spot and looking for a rebounder).

Nile Murray - Very quick kid. Got a couple of really nice steals (four total) and was active whenever he was on the floor. Needs to do better than 3-11 on the floor, though.

Other observations:
Laker Girls, rest easy. I don't see the SPL dancers replacing you come October, although the odds would dramatically increase if they took it upon themselves to make every boogie session an organized routine. A few times, there were all sorta just out there, bopping around and doing their own thing. I can tell you right now: the woman who instructs the Lakers Girls wouldn't tolerate such nonsense for a second.

The Pyramid's music system may be the same brand Staples uses. Unfortunately, those in charge of it apparently think the Pyramid is actually the size of Staples, because both are played at the same volume. I'm actually writing this post while newly and permanently deaf.

If Japanese point guard Yuta Tabuse (who played limited minutes for Dallas today) could stay in the league, he'd be a huge crowd favorite. Lightning quick. Sorta-dyed floppy-banged hair. Upon first glance, looks too unathletic to handle a game of air hockey. Who wouldn't cheer seeing that guy on the court?

Jelani McCoy is still not a very good basketball player.

AK

 
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By the way, can I pay for admission at the door in Long Beach?

mike

Mike T,

I want to say yes, but I'd call first and check.

AK

AK:

Thanks for the feedback. I've come to trust you more than most of the writers who follow the Lakers. I love what I am hearing about Farmar. As I keep saying, he will show everyone by the start of the season that the team plays better when he is at the point.

Smush isn't really a point guard and I think all the stuff about not needing a true point guard in the triangle are just excuses for not having a player who can play the point the way it is supposed to be played. Farmar will get us easy baskets in transition and from the triangle.

Good to see Andrew showing progress. And really nice to hear about the blocks. Now that is something that could really help our team defense. And I'm really glad to see that Pinnock might be a real steal. He is on my 15 man roster. All we have to do is trade Cook for a future second rounder and buy McKie out of his contract.

Thanks for a great update. Go, Lakers.

Tom

Question: Is it Danillo Pinnock, or Daniel Pinnock?

I thought so. I'm going on Wed. I want to see Douthit for myself. Thanks.

mike

I read on espn.com that the signing of Vladamir Radmanovic will hurt our cap room next year. Why would it - I thought he was taking the MLE? I'm also sorry to hear that we may be close to signing another "garage sale" point guard in Shammond Williams. That makes no sense to me.

Bob in Lincoln

Mike T:

Yeah, you can pay at the door. You might want to get there early though, because i saw a long line. Best thing, i think, is buy your tix online and pick them up at will call. No wait at all.

Everyone:

i guess drew had a better game today. that's a relief.

Since we're all confused about the NBDL rules regarding NBA players, and Laker ownership of one...I did a little bit of research about it.

"But the Lakers will still be bound by the same rules as the other 29 NBA teams when it comes to assigning players to their D-League affiliate. Only players in their first and second years are eligible, and no more than two players can be sent at one time to a D-League assignment. Also, the D-League's central office assigns players to their teams, preventing the Lakers from using their minor-league team as a place to stock prospects."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2414330

So that means..that even though we have a glutton in guards, theoretically we can only really send 2 people from our own active roster list down. However if they don't play for us, (and obviously we don't send them to the D-League) we still retain the rights to them cause we drafted them...so even if we don't include Pinnock in our 15 man roster (though with what I've heard, it would probably crazzyyy not to, but who would be left out is the question) we still retain the rights to him, and can bring him back whenever a roster space opens---much like we did with Turiaf. Hope that helps.

Here's the full list of Assignment Rules according to nba.com:
1. An NBA team may assign any player on its Active List or Inactive List to play in the D-League, provided that the player has zero or one Years of Service at the time of Assignment.
2. No players may be given more than three Assignments during any season. There is no minimum or maximum length of a D-League assignment.
3. During the 2005-06 season, no NBA team may have more than two players on assignment at the same time.
4. A player on Assignment will be carried on the Inactive List of his NBA Team.
http://www.nba.com/dleague/nbdl/dleague_affiliation_050919.html

Mitch said on AM570 that Smush will be our starting PG next season. Are we close to signing Shammond Williams?

Mike T,

I went there two years ago and they were selling tickets at the window booth. I doubt the place sells out during the weekdays. If you plan to go on a weekend, though...go early in the week and buy tickets.

http://www.summerproleague.com/get_tickets.htm

Didn't someone notable call Jelani McCoy the "sultan of swat?"

And although it's just SPL, it's really good to hear (read) that the rooks are doing well.

The progress of Bynum will be key to the Laker future. I like what Douthit said about offense, from what I'm reading he's a bit soft in the paint, but he's slick enough to get boards left and right. The roster numbers game is really going to kill his chances though.

Good luck guys!


Faith

It's Danillo. I think I approved spell check's suggestion without paying attention. Thanks for the pick up.

AK

Thanks to all for the info.

mike

Good news about Bynum is developing, but I wonder how good he is at pick and roll defense. Any insight from those who attended the SPL games would be appreciated.

I figure his offense will come along, as I'm sure Kareem is teaching the proper footwork and shots. However, with any of our bigs, I am really concerned with how they play the pick and roll. How instinctive does AB look out there when it come to pick-and-roll or switch situations?

Faith,

How long do you think those rules will last?

I think as teams start to buy into the idea of owning their own D-league team those rules will change.

I think in time the number of players will increase to, say...5. I think there will be a 3 season limit to which a player can be sent down. Kind of like baseball.

For that to happen the offical roster of a NBA team may increase to, say...18 players. With that a NBA active roster can be 13 players. What do you think?

mike

what kind of free agents do you think we can or should get next year?

another question: in the free agency next summer can we get a guy like chris bosh (6-8 million a year), or can we only get a guy that costs about 3-5 million a year.

please answer me!!!

I really don't get all the salary cap thing that's going on.

I hope Pinnock is as good as they say, because I ripped Mitch for the pick earlier.

People made a big deal about it being only a 2nd rounder but I said that these picks can be steals if used right.

Hopefully Pinnock will be a steal ooor way to waste Draft Picks Mitch!

Faith, AK,

I believe the correct spelling of his name is as follows:

Danilo JR Pinnock.

In George Washington University, they refer to him as JR but at the Pyramid, the announcer was using his first name. It is also pronounced as Da-ni-lo

Mike T.,

If I may contribute to your purchase of tickets, Wasabi was right that during weekdays that there are no lines in buying the ticket at the window. However, you can also call the ticketing office of Southern California Pro Basketball League and they have a special desk CALLS, you can pick up your ticket there if you bought it over the phone. Go to their webpage to get their phone no. and the schedule. With regards to parking, the fee is $ 5 during weekdays but there are free parking spaces on the Atherton St. near Palo Verde. Always read the signs you might end up paying Long Beach Police.

Be sure you read my post on the previous thread, I have a suggestion before writing your forthcoming novel.

Mike T,

I don't think it'll last long, if I were to guess, I'd say a year or 2. What's interesting is that one of the rules itself said "During the 2005-06 season," as if it's not set in stone...which it might not be. But as it stands, I frankly don't get it myself. I mean think about it, we will be employing our coaches, our offense, defensive philosophy on a team comprised of people we don't even pick among of which only 2 can actually play for us (during the season). I too think it should be like the minor system of Baseball...although I have to say I'm not sure what that would do to the free-agent, trading market.

I totally agree about the 18, and 13---as it stands now, there are many cases in which teams are thin because of injury, to the point where they really dress only the people they have (that could be 5, or 9 healthy people), so they're basically surrendering the game (having no real substitutes, and if it goes into overtime, the players are sure to be exhausted, especially in back to backs). But I'm not sure that'd be a good thing...lol, I don't know if I want Houston to actually win games cause they've finally got replacement to their injured many LOL.

I also think that if the 18, 13 were to happen, the roster during the playoffs need to increase as well. I definitely think an expanded roster would work to our favor...we'd actually not have to play Kobe as much (cause whatever deluge we have would be send down, to make a balanced--position wise team).

Bloggers
Thx for the info on the D-League. I was just curious to know if we obtain the rights (being able to chose first) to the players on our own D-League team. So if a guy breaks out and is phenomenal then we get first pick since he's playin in "our" d-league team. It would give us a huge advantage and it would mean we could just bring in players and if they work out we get first shot at them. Bit of unfair but for the rest but great for us.
Mike T.
I really dont think we "must" or "have to" trade Mihm. If nothing good happens (good trade) we could just let him go at the end of next season or try to resign him as a backup C. There is no point in just trading for the fun of trading. If we can get the guy we really want and they want Mihm then by all means make the trade. Even though you think Mihm's trade value is trash, that doesnt mean we have to take trash for him. Trash is trash and not always-"one mans trash is another mans treasure". By that i mean dont trade Mihm for some guy we are just gonna let go next offseason. Atleast if we keep Mihm we have a decent guy who can be depended on to some degree for this coming season. Like I said i would rather wait til next offseason to get a better FA even if it means releasing Mihm to get him. Ill get more into nexts seasons cap at the end of this post.

RichDaDCLakerFan
Great idea but neither Smush or Sasha have a polished enough offense to really go at Nash. Smush and Sasha arent really offensive or defensive players and are decent at best on both ends. Thats why i wanted a guy like Terry who could make Nash play D and tire him out. If you can take Nash out of the offense then the Suns are not too great with no one else to really step up other than Marion. We need a decent Guard who can defend but also be able to attack a guy like Nash and make him play D.

You can find a list of the salaries at hoopshype:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

Next season our total including Vlad is about $74-$15(Grant-not counted towards cap)=$59mil
If we keep the following for 07/08
Kobe
Odom
Bynum
Brown
Vlad
Evans
Sasha
thats a total of $52.2mil
Kobe,Odom,Bynum,Brown=$44mil
Imagine what would happen if we signed Miles=$8mil
which would be 52.2+8=60.2 and thats not including
Mihm,Walton,Mckie,Cook,Farmar,Smush,Turiaf. This would tie up our cap and the only thing we could do is resign our players since we wont be able to go over the cap by signing other FAs. Anything we do this offseason will affect us for the next 2 seasons. Think about it guys. Can we really go all the way with this squad and no more players added to our roster. Miles wont do it and we have very few options unless we make trades involving a part of our core (im a bit against that) in the likes of Odom or Brown to clear cap space. SAY NO TO MILES. Mihm is the only way we can get the guy we want but it will have to be a guy we can count on to help us improve. Too bad we missed on Artest cuz he's cheaper at $7mil. Hmmm wonder if the Queens will take Mihm and Walton for Artest. LOL what you think Mike? Realistic?

Faith- Thanks for doing the research. You beat me to it... and saved me the trouble (for which I am very grateful).

The idea you and Mike were kicking around is interesting, but I don't see rosters getting bigger, certainly not until the next CBA. You're talking about another major investment in players from the owners.

One thing to consider- part of the development of the D League, I believe, was as a compromise for the age restrictions placed on players in the draft, along with the NBA's desire to create a credible minor league and exert more control on the system of feeder leagues.

The changes in roster size also had to do with how they changed the IR system to active and inactive, I think. This, by the way, is why I wasn't part of the legal team who put together the last CBA.

I think the motivation to owning a D-League team is that it gives the Lakers an element of control. Over the players they have under contract who play on it, of guys to whom they might have the rights, over street free agents in the sense that they'll be playing their system and can see how well they'll fit in, etc. should the need arise and you want to sign someone.

Just my impression, at least.

BK

BK-
Do you know or understand why the number of players you can take to the playoffs is different from the number of players you can have on your roster throughout the season? (or anyone who knows the answer)

Elyse-

It is, I believe, to keep uniformity in playoff rosters, so a team that carries 15 guys throught the season doesn't have an advantage over one with 13, for example.

That's the thinking, as far as I know.

BK

But are there actually teams who don't use the maximum they are allowed to use? I mean, does that even exist?

I'd have to check. Not sure. Again, it's just my guess. The rule that really drives me nuts is that rosters get locked. I think you ought to be able to shift around series to series.

BK

#4,

On a couple of defensive plays, Andrew properly showed on the pick and roll and dutifully surprised the Mav gaurd and disrupting their play. He wasn't playing against Nash, though.

But, Andrew has really good defensive instincts. For real.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1400
SPL day 2 (van got rejected K bros big time hahaha).
MIKE ( i feel so special , when u said i m only talking to purple and gold hahaha).
u know i m bynum s number 1 fan and like u beleive than kwame is great but u cant put kwame all the game , and what if he gets injured.
we cant put too much pressure on bynum too early plus the big man of the league would try to shut down the guy that scored on duncan and blocked him and the guy that dunked on shaq(something few have done).here we agree.
but miles,i know he is talented and PJ is great with headcases, he is a friend with lamar.
but 2 much money for something uncertain that we dont really need.so no for miles.
edwin bro stop idolizing mike,even if just to spite other guys u are way better than to do that.

Here's draftexpress.com's report w/ photos on day two of the summer pro league at Long Beach. It seems Bynum stepped up his game and Farmar played well again . . .

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1400

Looks like Lakers have lost interest in Banks.


"Apparently the Los Angeles Lakers don't have any interest in signing free agent and former Wolves point guard Marcus Banks after spending their midlevel exception on Vladimir Radmanovic. Banks could be back in a Wolves uniform." -- startribune http://www.startribune.com/507/story/541979.html

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I hope we get Shammond Williams. He is a great addition to the Lakers just in case we need a piont guard that knows how to get a bucket and play defense. He played for NORTH CAROLINA with Vince Carter, Antwan Jamison, and Ed Cota was his piont guard. He usually stole the shows in those days. Kobe needs to play with a guy like this. I think he is going to wound up start and Farmer is going to come off the bench. Smush will be done by the end of the season. He is going to have no room to breathe. He is dealing with to very good piont gaurds from very good programs. Shammond Williams was coach by legendary coach DEAN SMITH. He is a better version of Tony Delk and CLEVLAND Fli Murray. Plus he has Kobe Bryant on his team. I am telling you guys, the LAKERS are going to be something real specail next year. We won 45 games last year, and we have only filled the gaps wit excellent shooters and defenders that are only going to help us now win 55-60 games!!!!!!!!
Plus Shammond Williams allows us to keep Chris Mihms for 1 more year. This is Smush's last season with the LAKERS.


HEY ADD ME TO THE 55-60 WIN BANDWAGON.

Shady,

I hear what you're saying. You make a lot of sense as far as the cap goes. My position is that the Lakers need to abandon the cap as the reason for not spending. I could understand if they were saving up for one of the marquess free agents but they're gone. Now is the time to do whatever you they can to streghten the ball club with no regard to how far over the cap we go.

I mean, it's not like were going to be more than a few million over the cap. This isn't the Knicks where they are ridiculously over the cap with a bunch of miss match players on their roster.

Again, I agree with you:
"Mihm is the only way we can get the guy we want but it will have to be a guy we can count on to help us improve."

That's really my whole point. Whether we deal him for Miles or another player...it doesn't matter but, in my opinion, we would be better off trading him. Whoever/whatever we get for Mihm, so be it. Only make a deal and lets ride this thing with no regrets whatsoever. Put the petal to the metal, as it's said.

With that said, my concern is the SF and PG positions. I'm not too trilled about the Vlad Rad/Walton combo manning the SF position. Vlad Rad with another SF, yes! I like the Vlad Rad signing. I like Walton, but not in combination with Vlad Rad...where's the defense against elite SF's? I say we did a good thing in signing Vlad Rad, but that deal, in my mind, made Walton useless to us.

As for the PG position...well, everyone knows we have a need there, too,

mike

Fearless,

thanks for the info on Bynum. Sounds like this kid really has some good building blocks, at least against the SPL scrubs.

If he can become a consistent plug in the middle on defense and move his feet on the perimeter, that might be his ticket off the bench. The sooner he gets off the bench, the sooner he can work on his in-game offense as well.

As for our needs at SF, it definitely is a defensive hole. It looks like its going to be one of those defensive patchwork positions. I don't think Vlad is that bad, but neither he nor Walton is a lock-down defender. However, the combination of offensive skills gives us some presence there. Kobe now has young-and-hungry options at the 3 and that's a killer prospect.

purple and gold,

Edwin doesn't idolize me. He's sneaky. He calls my long post dogmatic. LOL! That's not a compliment. He using reverse psychology. He thinks he can advance on our methphoric chess board and get a checkmate so easily...Nay! Me thinkest not!

Also, I hear what you're saying with Brown, Bynum, and Mihm. Well, whether Bynum is ready or not one thing is clear in my mind. If Kwame, God forbid, goes down, we're up sh*t creek anyway. What Mihm will clog the middle? Or are you saying Kwame's offense will be missed and we need Mihm to fill in the gap if Kwame gets injured?

This is all about defense in regard to Kwame. If he produces this year on the offense that's an added bonus but overall my defense of Kwame Brown is strictly because he clogs the middle.

Not to stir the fire but, don't be surprised to see Douthit (a defensive player) fill in for what Mihm can't do. Again, clog the middle.

mike

Zakee,

It's the 55-59 bandwagon.

The 60 and more wins club belongs to me and tajluck (We're it's only members). Choose now which one you will join. LOL!

mike

uhhh..mike, no offense, but is it put the pedal to the metal?

anyway, i think it would be bad if we go over the cap this season..oh well, just my opinion..

but trading Mihm will give us both positive and negative results..

brylle

ZAKEE,
consider yourself added to the bandwagon. LakerTom will officially add you when he sees the post.

Mike T.,
what elite SFs are we worried about?
Do we not have Kobe and Evans as our primary defensive stoppers if push comes to shove?

BLOG,
I just got my question on ESPN CHAT! Add Mr. Chris Broussard to the list of naysayers that the lakers can win 55 games!

I really think people are overdoing this West has gotten so much better thing. I dont think anything is a foregone conclusion in the NBA now. The Lakers could get hot just as quickly as the Suns could go cold.

If Kobe is really a top 3-5 player in the league, why do people believe that we cant win more if we got more help?!!!

befuddling ... I guess I'll blog some more on it later

Mike T,

I don't think you quite understand how the salary cap works. The Lakers actually CAN'T under league rules, just go out and spend. They are over the cap so all they can offer free agents is the MLE and bi-annual exception. If there was a free agent out there they wanted they couldn't offer him a contract anyway.

Unfortunately the Lakers, and any other team, can't just "abandon the cap". It's not allowed.

Banks would be cool. But, this year, we don't need to go all-out for a PG. We just need a crafty vet. Someone smart. Someone dependable. Hopefully, someone with playoff and/or Finals experience. We don't have to overspend, because I'm telling you guys, we have our PG of the future already! He just needs time.

Mike T,

Another question I had.

If you could get two players, regardless of contract, team, whatever, and bring them to the Lakers, who would you want?

Zakee -- I agree with you about Shammond -- he brings much needed depth, experience and an ability to score. I remember watching him play with North Carolina and his NBA stints. I recall him riding a stationary bike whenever he was taken out of the game for short periods or whatever. He's got a great lower center of gravity -- strong legs. I am on board with most if not all the decisions our Organization makes -- they have always been committed to winning and doing whatever it is necessary to maintain that. This acquisition would be no different.

Shady, Mike T.,

With all the guards we have on hand, perhaps you have to see them first how they play before adding another guy. We may be attracted to players who made name as PG in the last season, but if you will look closer on the new acquisitions like Farmar, Evans, Pinnock and Williams, I think these guys could do the job. So far, I have only seen two but I'm very satisfied with their performance, now I don't know how effective they will be in a real triangular offense of the Zen, but the most important thing they have the poise of fighters not quitters in the middle of the game. I was impressed with Farmar's and Pinnock's on their first game, the way they set up their teammates in a scrimmage game when they were trailing by more than 10 points, they did not took over by shooting a rain of threes but distributed the ball in an organized offense. Not to be unfair with Smush and Sasha, they too deserve a second look. That's why, I think we already have the players we're looking for, but of course we do not attract the attention of the basketball media exceot our local media with these names. Had we acquired KG, Jason Terry or Kidd, perhaps we would hear the thunder and becomes an immediate contender. I really value the pre-game workouts this summer in Hawaii and those pre-tournament games. Trading is not over yet as AK said it just started, based on statements of Mitch to MacDonnel K-570 if there is good trade offered on hand, he will not hesitate to grab it as long as it will contribute improvement of the team.

Korey, I think the reason these so call pundits do not believe LA is capable of winning 55 games or more with Kobe is because many may still question his ability to lead a team. I heard one make a comparison akin to KG and Minnesota in that although they are great players or something like that, they would never lead a team to the Promise Land. I forgot which Sports Reporter commented but I recall it was said. PISSED me off too and I dont believe that, but obviously that may be the general consensus.

They have had two years with the system and now they have to just work that much harder with the new guys in the offseason to grasp the offense and work FT shooting, defense and all those things -- study and watch film and more film.


Where can I find the Summer League schedule for the Lakers?

I hope that reporters everywhere keep saying the Lakers can't win more than 45 games, it only would add some motivation to this team. Unfortunately, I think the mental make-up of this squad is a bit soft so any outside "dissing" (that's probably not a word) can't do anything but help.

I still think the Lakers only win 48 games, but what can I say, it looks like our answer to a "defensive-minded PG" is going to be Shammond Williams, known for his shooting.

Mike T,

I'm beating the crap out of this dead horse (and really, what kind of bastard would do that?), but you mentioned getting Miles based on the fact that he would be utilized as a defensive stopper against the likes of Josh Howard, etc. Well, he's making about $8 million for the next FOUR years, whereas the premier defender on the wing, Bruce Bowen is getting paid $3.75 million. I'm just saying that we can get a defender for a lot cheaper that doesn't lock us into the same roster for the next four years.

I think that horse has had enough.

It has to be Kobe haterism because to me to say the Lakers will not make the playoffs or barely scratch the surface is giving no credit to last year's team.

Honestly, I dont see how we dont match up with just about any team in the West. The only teams that would be able to consistently hurt us are teams with lightning quick PGs. Other than that, we have the depth to not get totally killed by any PF or C in the league.

If defense wins championships than why dont these guys see that we have Kwame, Mihm, Turiaf, Bynum, and Odom manning the interior? I think the league will be surprised next year at our defensive presence and efficiency on that end. The depth we have at that position takes away to some degree the height/power advantages that teams like San Antonio, Dallas, Memphis, Houston, New Orleans, and Utah bring to the table. I especially like our Dallas matchup because I feel as if Odom is a perfect matchup for Dirk Nowitzki. Odom is quick and long enough to bother him on offense and defense.

The addition of Evans/Radmanovic decreases the firepower advantage that teams like Phoenix, Seattle, Sacramento, and even the Warriors possess. You know Kobe can give you 40 any nite if he needs to and we have the necessary peices to punish teams for double teaming Kobe. The chess match begins because if you put Radmanovic to the corner that Kobe is driving that takes away a help defender.

Anyway, my point is that the Lakers dont have a serious disadvantage to any team in the league. Add to the fact that we have Kobe and it's easy for me to see why we win more than we lose. This year I think we can get to 55.

Chris Broussard doesnt see us at 50. I bet he wont answer my question next season when I point out to him next February that the Lakers are at 50 wins!!!!

Purple & Gold, Mike T.,

I really don't idolize anybody nor I'm a fanatic to one person of group of persons. Secondly, it is in my principle that I do not hate nor love anyone if I don't know him/her personally. However, i find the blog a unique experience and you have to respect the respondents. There seems to be a human speaking under that anonymity. I always inject humor everytime I communicate to Mike T., for there are too many serious trangressions that occur and I'll compound his problems if I will be added to that flock. We are diametrically opposed on many subject matters from PJ, Kwame or Darius.
And to Mike T., I'm not sneaky nor try to checkmate you in the metaphoric chess board you referred, I'm just playing a court jester, a stopper or an eraser on your side. Sometimes when you're in the heat of the fight, you get sidetracked by the hurling insults and need constraint. That constraint may be a respite by giving you some other topics to discuss. It is your choice to discuss them or drop them.

Mike T. and Faith:

I agree with you guys that it seems as if the D-League rules have to be modified as NBA teams get involved in ownership. I liked your suggestions.

One potential problem in changing the rules is that they are part of the CBA and cannot be changed without both the players union and the owners agreeing. The rules cannot just be changed unilaterally by the league.

I am sure the players would be in favor of more guys being able to get paid for playing. Some owners, however, might not want to have to pay more players as that would increase their team expenses.

The owners would also probably want to be able to pay any additional players less than the current league minimum. It is possible we might end up with a separate D-League contract with a lower pay scale.

Another issue is making sure that higher revenue teams such as the Lakers, Bulls, and Knicks don't have an advantage. This might lead to another round in the draft.

My point is that there are several issues here that probably have to be negotiated between the owners and players before any real change can occur.

Tom

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Korey:

Way to go. As you see I have added Chris Broussard to the 55-Win Bandwagon. I have also been working on Eric Pincus and a couple of other "pundits" via e-mail and will let you know when I land them.

Go, Lakers. 55 wins are coming.

Tom

We will miss Kwame's 10 points a game? Shoot Wafer can get that off missed free throws with his eyes closed.

Korey:

I would like to add to the points you made about how we match up with the Dallas Mavs. I think Dallas has proven that they cannot stop or handle a great individual scorer. Kobe put 62 on these guys in three quarters and Wade totally dismantled them in the Finals.

The Mavs don't have a great 1-on-1 defender such as Bruce Bowen or Raja Bell to guard Kobe. That's one of the reasons why we traditionally have taken care of them the last few seasons and why everyone thought they would be a better playoff matchup for us last year.

Finally, I think they will have a much tougher time getting over choking in the playoffs than the Lakers. After all, the Mavs were favorites to beat the Heat during their series while the Lakers were big underdogs to the Suns.

Tom

You missed ME! I've always said we would get 55+ wins. Heck we were so close to 50 wins last season. Its going to happen. Kobe will average 31-6-6 this year.

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Korey:

Sorry for misreading your comments about Chris Broussard. As you can see, he has now been eliminated. I think some of the "pundits" will come aboard as the season progresses.

Who knows, maybe even AK or BK will stick their conservative necks out for a change. Thanks.

Tom

Korey, you are wrong. Kobe's not a top 3 to 5 player in the league. He's the best, period. People are fickle with short memories. Wade has a good finals and people are proclaiming him the best player (not saying you are, you're one of the real laker fans).

All the so called "experts" have been wrong before and we will prove them wrong again. 55 games is a given.

Reading about Andrew and Jordan on the summer league and reading what both of them have to say. I believe that they are great for the Lakers, they lack experience because they’re young, but they have extreme amount of confidence in what they do and in what they can accomplish. And it’s great to know that Andrew and Jordan are becoming good friends. They have work ethic and that’s what the Lakers need, guys that believe in what they are capable of doing, guys with passion and heart for the game and their team.

I really don’t know how many games they’ll win next year, I have to wait and see. But for the media to have this certainty that they won’t make the playoffs is absurd. Other teams to them will get better because they will have more experience and have little extra pieces that would help them, but the Lakers won’t? That is just the puzzling, but I really don’t care what they say, no one has a crystal ball to see the future and being an expert doesn’t make them know for sure what will happen.

If Lamar and Kwame continue to play like they did the last two months of the season and in the playoffs and continue to improve on that, the Lakers will be great. The combo of Lamar, Kobe and Kwame is great.
And with players like Turiaf, Andrew and Jordan that bring energy and healthy competition between them, the whole team has to feed of that and elevate the team and in consequence be a great team next year.

Jeanie Buss said it best, ‘Phil came for a reason, to win another championship. With Kobe on the team you have the best player in the NBA and the team is capable of wining.’
Kobe is injecting to his team his energy, his desire, his commitment to the Lakers and his work ethic. We saw it at the end of the year and in the playoffs, Kobe believes in them and that will help them have more confidence in themselves.

Like I said before I can’t say how many more games they will win next season, but I like what I see in certain players and that will equal a better team. I don’t know if next season or the season after that, but I see something special with Andrew and Jordan and combine with Kobe, it is great. If Lamar and Kwame get the same hunger and confidence in their game, we don’t know what this team will be able to accomplish.

FARMAR & BYNUM FORMING QUICK FRIENDSHIP!

Ron Ruiz:

Thanks for the link to DraftExpress. I think their reporting always seems to have a different edge and approach than the major media. I liked their predraft analyses of players and workouts immensely and their recaps of the summer league games followed their player-specific format. Great to have some big full-color action shots of the players accompanying the comments. Here is what Richard Walker, their reporter, had to say about Jordan Farmar's performance:

"Farmar stepped up his defense in this game and played much more aggressively. He continued to get beat on screens, but did a much better job of fighting through them. He did a good job of picking up his man at the half court line and pressuring him, managing to net 4 steals in the process. Despite going 1 for 1 from behind the arc today the NBA three seems a bit out of his range right now. Watching him during warm-ups, it’s clear that Jordan possesses a reliable shot from in between the college and NBA three line, however, once he steps out he gets less comfortable. His form is fine however, and his range should come around eventually. Regardless of his shooting form, Farmar once again excelled at running the offense, and penetrated for a variety of floaters any time things began to break down. After the game Farmar mentioned that he has yet to watch any real tape of the triangle and has been focused on what the coaching staff has been teaching them during practice. He also mentioned that he and Bynum are forming a quick friendship and Farmar was finding him on the offensive end which helped encourage Bynum on the defensive side of the court."

hey all
it is great to know that there is so much confidence for this years team. one thing that has bothered me is that i know almost nothing about laron proft. no one here seems to want to trade him away yet no one is talking about him either. could some of you please let me know who he is and what he brings to the table??

and sign me up for the 55plus win bandwagon

jon

kobe25,
I think kobe is the best player in the league, period.

The politically correct stance is that he is top 3 since Wade single-handedly won the title (referee involvement or not). I'm still upset over the Wade NBA Finals treatment but hey, at least Dan Patrick called Shaq "Robin"! lol.

The funniest thing to me is to see Michael Ventre of MSNBC teeter-totter on the Lakers jockstraps. As soon as Kobe drops 50, he is like "Phil is great, Kobe might be getting it". As soon as we lose a game by 10, "Kobe isnt a leader, Phil has his hands fulls".

I wish these guys would stick to their opinion and just admit wrong/right when judgement time comes. Maybe they do and I'm not seeing it.

I looked up the past 3 years of Jerry West and his draft pics just so we can put this "Jerry West is a god" thing to rest.

People think Mitch wasted his draft pics this year. First of all, you'll be lucky to draft anyone that low who has any kind of impact. Luck is a huge part of it.

Memphis pics last 3 years:
Hakim Warrick 2005
Sergey lishchuk 2004
Marcus Banks - 2003

Aside from Banks, who are these other guys that West drafted?


55 Wins!!!! I believe the Lakers can get to 55, add me to the Band-Wagon =)

Just thought I would say something. I "LOVE" when nobody thinks we are going to make the playoffs!! It's just great...I mean, as if Kobe and the boys don't have a big enough chip on their shoulder, yet another year of Doubting Thomas'.

So here's how I see it. The core remains the same, however, we WILL end up trading Cookie and somebody else, just has to happen. Next, we add Vlad..Ok, not great, but pretty good considering. Third, all the guys that did play for us last year and looked TOTALLY confused until February get better..allot better (thats what happens in the triangle), and poof, we're out of the playoffs????

Yeah, sounds a little strange even to a non-sports writer. I really have to laugh when I see and hear everybody saying how GOOD all the other teams got while the Lakers, with the worlds best player (sory D-Wade) and nice new additions just got that much worse. I think this is actually going to be the year when Lamar's potential can fully be tapped, Kawme starts elbowing people, and folks, watch out for Bynum. Nobody expects much from him, and thats great..we need it like this.

I guess if you had to poll around the leauge, maybe the Lakers haven't made the MOST improvements, but I still fail to see how we have suddenly slipped out of it before the season even starts.

Also, after seeing 62, 81, and 45 wins with a "less than deep" team, I cannot bring myself to doubt anything anymore.

GO Lakers!

MAGIC=GOAT:

Thanks for the game recap on the previous thread. I loved hearing you say you thought that Farmar may start sooner than everybody expects.

I also have almost the exact same Active List as you except that I have penciled in Shammond Williams, which pushed Pinnock to the Inactive List with Sasha and Laron.

I think the roster looks like 10 more wins for us this year to get us to 55. It has definitely been upgraded.

Thanks again for the game report.

Tom

#4,

I really can't wait. We already know from this season that Kobe is willing to dish the rock when double-teamed. In fact, in this blog, people would blast him for passing the ball! Then, in a future post call him selfish when he decides to split the tripple-team and do it on his own.

Vlad will make him look very good. Kobe KNOWS this. Why do you think he called him?

I'm just excited.

Rocky:

Thanks for the props on the previous thread regarding my belief that Farmar will quickly become our starter.

You are absolutely right recognizing the value that a true point guard like Farmar can bring to our team's game. Once preseason starts, it will become obvious to all that the Lakers will play better with Farmar at the point.

Thanks.

Tom

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Joninjapan,
I dont want Laron Profit. Think about this: Did he really play all that well for us anyway?
If I remember, Smush was the pleasant surprise early in the season.

Also, I think an achilles tendon injury pretty much submarines a SG's career.

The lakers fan base will remain loyal and will remain in Southern California. That will assure that the lakers as a team have strong support. Other reasons include:

1. Most Lakers fans are Southern Californians who love Southern California.

2. Lakers fan are bedazzled by Hollywood, the Southern California lifestyle and the great weather. They will not give that up.

3. Lakers fans love the gam of basketball.

4. Lakers fans love the legendary past of the lakers team and organization.

5. Lakers fans appreciate the fact that many great lakers players of the past, live in Southern California.

6. Lakers fans can be versatile. They can surf at malibu in the morning and ski in the Sierras in the afternoon.

7. Lakers fans are among the 'coolest' of basketball fans because something about consistent sunlight develops the 'cool' and 'hip' demeanor that is the the personality of many Southern Californians -- like saying "Where's my car, dude!" instead of responding in the typical New York style.

"Americans and their Idols," http://www.bbotw.com

lakofan:

Great post. I also loved the news about Jordan and Andrew becoming good friends. Maybe they someday will be as great as Magic and Kareem.

I also agree with you that the way we played at the end of the year really speaks to what we are capable of. Mitch said it again during his interview on AM-570 from Long Beach:

"When we play our best, we can beat anybody in the West. And none of those teams intimidate us at all."

He said that he and Kobe both believe that we have a good chance to reach the finals this year and contend for a championship.

Thanks for your post.

Tom

Laker Tom:

Thanks.

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I'm curious to know what you guys think. Which one of these guards will get no playing time and who will get the most; Shammond, Evans, Smush, Sasha, and Farmar? They will play the pg and back-up to Kobe. I don't see all five of these players getting time.

My take:

I think Evans' ball handling will prevent him from starting at pg. His defense will be the only way he can get a starting spot. He would probably be a great back-up for Kobe.

Can Smush and Sasha turn the corner. I see very little improvement from Smush. Why has there been no contract talk with the Lakers or another team? He was the starter last year and is the likely favorite to hold the job again. he is better at attacking the rim than Sasha. I think his chances of being benched are really good.

I actually see more improvement from Sasha because I see more intensity from him. For the most part his main problem is staying out of foul trouble and more confidence on offense. His ball handling is proficient. He is a better shooter than Smush and plays better defense.

I think Farmar has a strong chance of getting some playing time due to his ball handling, athleticism at the point guard position, his play making, and defensive intensity. The biggest knock against Farmar is Kobe has never played with a true play making point guard. Fisher was basically a spot up shooter. Like any true point guard, Farmar will need the ball in his hand to be effective. Can Kobe make the adjustments in order to allow a point guard to do his thing?

I know nothing of Shammond.

Pg: Sasha, Farmar, Shammond
Sg: Kobe, Evans, Smush

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Korey,

One final’s doesn't make you the best player in the league. Kobe should have been the Final's MVP in 2002 and they gave that to Shaq, anyway. Plus, has anyone actually watched the playoffs during their three-peat? Kobe was the only reason (with a couple of Big Shot Rob miracles thrown in for good measure) that the Lakers made ANY of those Finals appearances. Kobe dominated in each and every run. Wade cannot say that, yet. He may one day, but not now.

Kobe got robbed in '02. Robbed. Back in '02, Shaq nearly admitted it when he proclaimed Kobe the best player ever. He's such a hypocrite that he's conveniently taken that assessment back.

Wade is the Heat's best and most dominate player. But he isn't the League's best and most dominate, yet.

Joninjapan:

I actually like Laron Profit and think he has a good chance to be back. Before he tore his achilles last year, he was the number one backup to Kobe at shooting guard. Ironically, his body type and posture made it easy to mistakenly think that Kobe was on the floor when Laron played. They really resemble each other from a distance.

We got Laron as a salary cap throw-in in the Kwame trade. He is very athletic, can hit the midrange shot, has great hops, and plays aggressive defense. He also has been working out and hanging out all year at the Laker's facilities, which is one reason why everyone sort of expects him to be re-signed. Although we have a lot of players, he made it my Inactive List along with Sasha and Pinnock.

Tom

Chris,
"Shammond, Evans, Smush, Sasha, and Farmar"

They are not all going to make the team (at least the 12 on the bench); throw in Kobe with them and you have six guards, which is too many. At least one of them, and probably two, will not be on the active roster. Probably Sasha and Shammond.

I don't know but...I like Sasha over Smush.

mike

Should be hitting the wire next 12 hours.

AL Harrington to Warriors, Troy Murphy to Lakers, Chris Mihm and parts to Atlanta. This is direct from the Involved horses themselves.

Chim Chim:

Regarding our corps of guards besides Kobe (Shammond, Evans, Smush, Sasha, and Farmar), I think your evaluation was pretty accurate.

As everyone knows by now, I expect Jordan Farmar to take over the starting point guard spot from Smush as early as the start of the regular season and for sure by the end of the year. I think Smush will end up being Farmar's main backup and will play quality minutes and redeem himself with better defense.

I think that Shammond Williams will be signed and will give us more experience backing up both point and shooting guard. Williams may also take Sasha's place as our 3 point shooting guard. I think Sasha will end up on the Inactive List with Profit and Pinnock, two other guards, unless Shammond doesn't shoot well.

I think Evans will also play quality minutes at guard but will also be our defensive stopper at small forward when needed. I think the ranking of these guys as to the minutes they play by the end of the year will be as follows: Farmar, Evans, Smush, Shammond, Sasha.

As to questions about who will be our defensive stopper, I think Kobe will focus more on defense next year, Evans will become the main stopper, Williams will show he can defend, and Smush and Sasha will be improved. I also think out trio of centers will rotate quicker and provide better help defense.

Tom

Chim-Chim,

We know nothing about Evans and Shammond that much but we rely only on the Stats and those bloggers who saw them play in Sacto, Pistons and NO. However, if you will analyze how these two players were acquired, I don't think PJ did not approve this hiring cuz' Evans was a long time target in the Lakers radar and they have to play along with the Pistons to acquire him. Secondly, Shammond Williams could have been considered as one of the "has-beens" since he spent time in the NBA as a journeyman and went to Europe. However, the scouts in Europe gave the Lakers a dress down on this guy, he is the player they are looking for as PG and at BAE contract. So they have to buy his contract from his present European team just to bring him to the Lakers. Question: Will the Lakers go through all these routes if they will just put them in the D'League or drop them when the Season starts? They have an inside information on these guys that we do not know. Again, Mitch K. beat the blog in spending his 2nd draft pick and BAE. He always has the last laugh.

In the case of Farmar and Pinnock, they are both projects but they will play intermitently during the season. You will see them more in action if Option 1 do not work out, then Option 2 will get in. With Smush and Sasha, I hope they will find a room for them but too bad, we could only place two players in the D'League. Think it this way, if these two guys STOPPED Nash during the playoffs then they don't have a nagging problem in their resume. It appears that their weaknesses were highlighted by Nash.

HoopsHype Rumors for the Day

---Chucky Atkins to Pistons.
---Warriors need 3rd team in S&T for Harrington.
---James to choose between Mavs, Rockets, & Wolves.
---James reportedly re-signing with Raps for $60M.
---Lakers not interested in Banks any more.

Tom

ABOUT TO GO DOWN DEAL:

No way would the Lakers trade Mihm for Troy Murphy, a 3-point shooting soft power forward with a horrendous 5-year $50M contract. Go away.

Tom

I see Farmar MAYBE getting some minutes this year. Dude is small for this league. Small guys need to be real speed burners. The guy is talented, no doubt, but I need to see how effective he can be, in Phil Jackson's system, against real NBA competition, before predicting a starting role for him. Why is most everyone ready to throw Smush Parker overboard? I think the guy has all the tools, and could possibly still improve to the point where he is the solution at the "ball handling guard" spot. Unless the Lakers are bringing in an established "star" point guard (which I feel they need to do), they're not going to be upgrading by bringing in the likes of Shammond Williams or throwing Farmar into the fire.


A lot of LA fans are upset or disappointed that the Lakers didn't go after Fisher. Why? Yes, I understand he knows the offense and he plays or played well with Kobe and PJ. But, does he want with them again? I don't think so...That's why he left. I didn't follow his season with the Warriors that much. But he came off the bench. That doesn't sound like he had much success with the Warriors. The Lakers needs new young hungry players. Fisher has 3 rings already. He doesn't need to prove much anymore. He just want to make decent amount money for security purposes. Fisher is a good guy for veteran leadership. But we can count on Kobe & Lamar for the leadership. Last season, we witnessed a weak team grow together that became a strong team on the post season. I know the Lakers will accomplished better than expected. (not 55 wins though) hehe...


FILE A PETITION:

DON'T TRADE CHRIS MIHM......


DON'T TRADE CHRIS MIHM......

Korey:

Profit wasn't a smash out the box like Smush was (he had 20 points on opening night right?) however he looks to play a very steady veteran's role.

I see Profit as playing the B.Shaw role in this team. He's got nice touch, can handle the ball, and has hops.

I'm not sure of the extent of the damage that the achilles heel injury will hurt him, but remember that Dominque Wilkins had that injury also and was still able to put up some dunks (iirc or am i just imagining things?).

Like Tom said, Profit was the bench SG so he really only needs to come in 10, 15, maybe 20 minutes per game (prolly inserted in to the PG spot at times).


On another note:
If Smush could maintain his focus and build up his killer instinct, he would really be something. I think we see flashes in him like we see in Kwame and that's the major reason why they're being hampered from further growth.

And my last note:
Shammond Williams might be the perfect fit, but I don't know. Someone was a bit sarcastic talking about needing a defensive minded PG, but we got a guy known for his offensive capabilites. Remember though, playing defense also means that you're attacking on the offensive end. This is what really killed Smush. He laid back, became passive on scoring and Nash just cruised and saved his energy. This is the difference with Shammond, even if he's not a marquee defender, if he's at least serviceable and has a killer shot and is an offensive threat each and every time, his defender will grow tired guarding him and be less effective on the offensive end (we've discussed this many times on the blog). Anyone can be affected this way - remember how exhausted kobe looked during the 3rd and 4th quarters after the All-Star break? He was missing shots left and right. He got his second wind on the season, but man, it was gut wrenching to see him pull up short on so many shots.

Another reason to take into consideration that practically NO one outside of LA thinks the Lakers will make the playoffs next year is because of the performance of the entire Laker roster in OT of Game 6 and Game 7 as a whole (from Kobe on down). They negate the progress the team made throughout the year and Kobe's impact on the team because of those 53 minutes and 10 seconds of basketball.
If it wasn't for the 10 seconds, the other 53 minutes wouldn't have happened. Plain and simple.
As a Laker fan right now, it is truly US against the world right now, and that is the mentality that Phil needs to plant into the CPU's of every player on the roster (minus Kobe who has had that mentality since he has joined the Lakers).
So since Rosen, Ventre, ESPN, Steven, Tarugo, and the rest of the country don't believe, we have to make them believers in this team next year. With that being said, sign me up for the double nickel team LakerTom, I'm on board for 55 wins.

Summer League Game Articles:

---Farmar leading the way:

"He is going to have to earn every second he gets out there on the court," Rambis said. "If he earns it (this year), we'll play him. It's really up to him. With the little practices we had, he has done an exceptional job"

http://www.presstelegram.com/sports/ci_4031876


---Farmar takes quickly to Lakers’ offense:

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=37725


---Young Bynum Stands Tall:

http://www.pe.com/sports/basketball/lakers/stories/PE_Sports_Local_D_spl_10.1f7ee8f.html

Tom


About to go down....,

LakerTom was right, if it is true could you just give us the webpage or news article where it appeared. Troy Murphy has a salary of $8.2M and escalating to $11.9M till 2011. This guy will create a lot of minefields in our salary cap. We looked down on Mitch K. but he's not desperate to throw that $4.2 to an $8.2 and tie you up the Lakers for long period of time. Anyway, if your hearsay comes out true, we lose Mihm, Mckie and Cook that's the only way you could meet the $ 8.2M. Don't you think Troy Murphy is just like playing Cook? It's really unthinkable.

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Tom

As for Mitch's comments that Smush will start...I don't think it's his decision exactly, if anything I'm sure they'd have wanted Bynum to start or at least get major minutes, yet he didn't. Now if he heard it from PJ himself, then that's something else (though I think it would be stupid to decide so early in the season, when in reality someone could emerge, distance themselves or get injured in training camp). So I'm all for waiting in those terms. I will say this though I don't think we'll survive another year with Smush as our starting PG (backup would be perfect but not starting), unless he drastically changes some of his ways (like not fighting through picks, steals are nice but don't always go for them). I'm actually looking forward to how our team as a whole (including Smush) improves next season.

As for our deluge of guards...obviously someone has to go. But it could also very well happen that the decision would be out of our hands, like in a trade, they'll ask for someone specifically and it's a deal we can't refuse (very unlikely)...or someone gets injured which is never good, but automatically removes them from our guard core. I also think that McKie could be very well bought out, or traded...though I have to say I'm not liking it that much, if for no other reason than our rookies would not have a mentor to teach them the quirks of the game, and how to effectively play the position.

To clarify, Evans is actually a 2, and 3. I doubt he'd be starting PG in the Lakers next season, more than likely he'll take over what George was to us---spelling Kobe, and defending the 2s and 3s (which is not to say he won't play point, I just think it's far likelier someone else will).

When I think of Shammond Williams, I think of Sedale Threatt; The Thief. Just a filler untill we get a long term solution in there.

I used to love the Thief out there. Chick used to describe him perfectly. The Thief was a solid player. Here's to hoping that Shammond will be at least as good as the Thief.

Fearless,
I dont think DWade is the best player. I think he has earned his way into the conversation though.

Kobe is superior to every big name player in shooting ability and range. If Kobe gets going there is no chance of stopping him with or without the rest because he will drain 30+ footers from all over the courts.

I feel as if Wade's dominance lies in the fact that he knows the refs will call something if he drives to the lane enough. Consequently, he goes to the hoop with reckless abandon and throws up crazy shots that do go in sometimes. The refs will bail him out 75% of the time so it's no risk/reward for Wade.

Unfortunately, the league is getting soft. If someone were to really flatten Wade they would be suspended for like 10 games or something.

And while I'm on Wade, I hate his flopping, flailing style of play. Real ballers dont have to act and fall on the ground when they are fouled. They dont hold their hand and grimace one second, and the next second attempt a reverse layup. They dont fall 7 times, get up eight just because it's physically impossible to get up eight times if you havent fallen 8 times. Maybe he is talking about getting out of bed in the morning, but I digress.

Wade represents to me the new, acting NBA. An NBA where players bastardize the rules to gain unfair advantages.

Tell me why 6'8" James Posey is taking charges all over the court? His game turned into trying to step in front of a defender and take a charge! The whole NBA is starting to do this now! I feel that is a bastardization of the rules.

Charging is meant to prevent a player from bullying another. Players who try to run up under somebody while they jump should be called for a foul everytime. Players need to either attempt for a block shot, or try to steal the ball but all this undercutting, flopping, and charges takes away from the game. It's fake and it's getting to soccer-like proportions in the league.

Anyway fans can influence this and stop this madness?! I wonder if I got 10,000 online signatures on a 'STOP-THE-FLOP' campaign and sent it to the league office would they care?

Probably not, but they should know that the game would be waaaay more free-flowing if players stopped the fake charging/flopping/and flailing practices. Give players a flagrant foul for acting! That'll stop things...

Forget the trades...we will develop our young players. History teaches us that you need two mega stars...ala magic and kareem, jordan and pippen, shaq and kobe, shaq and wade ( euuu, someone shoot me real quick ) to win a championship.

But history never met a man like the mamba. When all is said and done, kobe bryant will go down as the greatest basketball player to play the game. Right now this is today's laker dream, but love him or hate him, this will be tomorrows nba reality.

So yea KG would be nice, but we can do this solely on the back of Kobe. The legend is only beginning, y'all, just be glad you're alive to see it unfold. Amen.

Go Lakers. Can't wait for the new season to begin

I'm starting to wonder if we'll even sign Profit. I know the guy did good for us last year, but from the interview I listened to it didn't seem like he is 100% yet. In all honesty I don't know if we need him. We have a glut at the guard position as it is, I also thought the main reason we brought in Evans was to be Kobe's backup, and if we do pick him up he might not even be on the active roster. I just don't see the point of adding another guard when we already have Smush, Sasha, Pinnock ( I really hope he makes the team), Green, Wafer (it's not guaranteed that either will make the team), and Williams (if he's signed). I could be wrong but I really don't think he's a vital part to our success.

Who cares what the pundits say? If you don't agree with them you can always find someone online who will say the exact opposite. I've said on this blog before that I wanna be a sportswriter and I have respect for every writer analyst, but at the end of the day the games have to be played. And the things they said may or may not matter.

The only guys worth being annoyed by are MSNBC's Micheal Ventre and Mike Celizic. Those guys don't analyze but simply state the obvious. And there aren't two men more notorious flip-floppers in sports journalism.

 
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