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Getting a little 81-ed out? We certainly are (you try linking all these articles). Our media colleagues, however, are still getting their rocks off. Thus, our work here isn't done. For starters, there are some who feel that Kobe's not getting enough love for his trouble. Or at the very least, a thumbs sideways. Some say it's ball hoggy. Others would look for idols elsewhere, especially since the performance is indicative of what's wrong with today's NBA. One guy even made a rather forced attempt at being profound. All in all, though, the press has been overwhelmingly positive, with the yay's trumping the nay's.

There is some truth, though, when folks claim the 81 was awesome, but won't bring home the bacon come June. Heck, Phil Jackson would be the first to say it, even though he and #8 are more than simpatico in '06. Records are great, but in the end, the Lakers must win in more practical ways in order to find regular success. Either way, three things are certain. The NBA loves this (particular) game. The hype's not dying down anytime soon. And David Thompson is seriously bitter.

This guy scored 86 points in the Italian league. Kobe speaks Italian. Coincidence? Totally.

 
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Listen, if Jordan scored 81 points they'd declare an official holiday in Illinois and Chicago would be filled with celebratory riots.

All these complainers (David Thompson among them) are fools. What Kobe accomplished was truly impressive and clearly assisted in the Lakers' victory over Toronto on that night. 'Nuff said.

He helped his team win. He displayed amazing personal prowess in playing the game of basketball. Anyone who criticizes his performance or diminishes its importance is a fool and nothing better than that. End of story.

People hate Kobe for several reasons:

1) They hate the Lakers
2) They hate Los Angeles
3) What happened (didn't happen) in Colorado
4) Loveable/hateable Shaq complaining about Kobe in the media for years
5) They cannot handle the idea of anyone being better than their idol/personal god Michael Jordan.
6) They have a distorted viewpoint that every person on a professional basketball team should have more assists than points.

These haters suck and we should simply stop acknowledging them because they are blinded to the truth.

I think Thompson and Maravic (sp?) and even Baylor have a point. They didn't have the 3 point line, and if they knew it would be an issue maybe they could have gone for 80 in a game. Oh well. Good to note. But they didn't. Respect all around. Damn. It's not like 81 makes 73 or 68 worthless.

I love how David Thompson said he played a better game. No, David, you didn't. Your team lost.

The fact that Kobe did it with the three point line makes it even more impressive, because do you think Wilt could even approach 40% from LONG RANGE? Kobe did it without having a size advantage, but if anybody knows anything about "cognitive dissonance" (google it), it should be obvious why there are still detractors even after that amazing performance.

I was there, by the way, standing almost the whole 4th quarter.

Kobe's theme song this season should be "Hate Me Now" by Nas.

Vince Carter talking about ‘the kids’ and team play? Vince Carter!?! This has gone far enough...as a society and sports fans, Kobe Bryant should be respected and appreciated as one of the great sports figures of our time. The Kobe hating is simply ignorance and jealousy.

First of all, David Thompson did enough coke to kill a horse. Second, people like Thompson and Vince Carter coming out either against this accomplishment or saying they could have done it makes them look small and bitter. Love Kobe or hate him, what he did was amazing and he should be commended. I don’t think it’s anyone other than Phil’s place to say anything about that style of play or how it affects the team.

I couldn’t agree with being over this 81 thing. This coupled with the Artest Saga and no game until Friday leaves me grasping for something interesting to talk about.

Here’s a strange, completely off the subject thought, have any of you watched Adam Morrison of Gonzaga play and noticed how short his arms are and how funny he looks when he runs? Obviously he gets the job done, but something tells me he is going to have a tough time in the NBA. Speaking of the draft, if it was held today we would have a pick around No. 20 (I think, haven’t checked where Miami stands right now), what do we look to take? Do we take “The Best Player Available” or do we look to fill a certain role? What does this team need more than anything right now? JJ Redick (pure shooter) probably won’t be available when we choose based on his steady high level of play, but would that be the type of player we’re looking for?

Just trying to think of another topic that doesn’t involve the word Artest or the number 81.

I was totally excited about the first set of reactions to Kobe scoring 81 but now I'm just pissed off. We live in a society of the most negative, judgmental people I have ever seen. I can't believe that people don't understand how awesome this was. I didn't understand how awesome an accomplishment it was until I watched the game. It wasn't ball hogging it was points scored in the flow of a game. It was still five on five basketball, Kobe just made the shots. The team won the game with defense and passing and steals and blocks and hustle in the second half of the game. I could care less about Kobe's private/not so private life. And many of the folks who criticize him are worse people than he could ever be, there's just no spotlight shining brightly on their lives. But Kudos Kobe. You are definitely a man. If you were anything less you would have folded your tent and went home a year ago. Keep doing what you do, cause even the haters can't take away the evidence of your greatest on the basketball court. The truth is the truth whether people believe it or acknowlege it or not. The truth is Kobe is the best player in the NBA today.

Man, I really hope we reach the Western Conference finals this year, if only to shut all these insane haters the hell up.

Let's do simple Mathematics

Lets say we remove the three point shots from Kobe's total of 81.
He made 7 3 point shots, so lets subtract 7 points from his point total ( 81 - 7 = 74)

So you see Mr. David Thompson, 74 is still better than 73.

Kobe's performance is still better.

One angle that people are forgetting to look at regarding the Wilt comparisons is: Wilt was scoring his points from less than 2 feet from the basket. Take a look at Kobe's shot chart from the other night. Jumpers, Jumpers and more jumpers. It is much harder to hit from 20ft+ than it is to score underneath the bucket.

Also, regarding David Thompson, Michael Jordan and other NBA legendary scorers; simply put, they never scored 80 points, period!! We can all come up with theories or excuses as to why they didn't. Heck, if I was 6'6, didn't have knee problems, better looking, could jump....etc....Maybe I could score 80...Probably, not.

OK, there is a new ESPN report that Ron Artest only wants to come to LA to play for the Lakers or the Clippers. There is an article about all this at http://lakers.topbuzz.com and a poll where you can vote if you think the Lakers should go for it. Go read this and we should have a new debate on this blog if we think Ron should be a Laker.

Well, the haters do give Kobe some steam going into future games. As I see it, you can add the next Nets game to his revenge list, where Portland and Sacramento already are (though the Nets game probably already should have been there given how the last one went).

The chicago writers seem to be the most eager to tear him down, probably because they are a one era franchise who owe everything to Phil, Michael and Scotty. If Kobe threatens the Michael Dogma, they feel that they are threatened.

as much is the 81 still amazes me. it also still amazes me how the haters are riding kobe for this accomplishment. the more i think about it, the crazier the 81 is, and thus the crazier it is to rip kobe for it! like 'jon' said, what if someone else scored 81? can you imagine what would happen if lebron had scored 81? the guy would automatically be hailed as 'he's gonna be the best ever for sure!". i read something funny in an article saying, had AI scored 81 we'd all be watching Oprah and talking about his huge personal growth haha.

even tho kobe is getting a lot of praise, he's getting at least an equal amount of haters.

Kb8 fan,

Dude that is perfect "you can hate me now" how funny I bet if they played that before every game kobe would score like 50 -60 a game and the funny thing is we would probably expect more of the guy cause that's how good he is. Yesterday I asked my friend if he wanted to bet me that kobe would score 40 the next game he looked at me thought for a sec and said NO! Now come on if I asked him anyone else he would jump on it, that was just alittle something to show u how good this guy really is man I love being a kobe fan!!!!! I live in detroit and I am going to the game sunday right behind the bench and I'm so exited I don't know how u guys that live in L A don't go to evey game u are about to witness the greatest player ever to play the game, HISTORY in the making!!!!! Do any of u guys know when I can by the kobe zoom in detroit I think they come out the 11th and do any of u know when his new commercial is coming out? I can't wait it the rebirth of kobe hahahahahahahahahahahaha and as for the haters let them hate who cares because the more kobe comes out and silences them the greater it will feel!!!! KOBE MVP MVP. He's not done yet there's still 41 more games, wow!!!!!!!!

people are just so judgemental. I agree with "A fan of cheese" we live in a world where people judge one another based on appearance or past events. It's shameful. Why won't people realize how great Kobe is? It's because they can't admit the fact that he's just Kobe. Kobe does what he wants. Get off his @#$#@ ! We have no right to judge a person. The day when Kobe sends the Lakers to Finals after Finals and winning the Championships perhaps 3 more times,

hopefully, people can shut up.

Kb8 fan,

Dude that is perfect "you can hate me now" how funny I bet if they played that before every game kobe would score like 50 -60 a game and the funny thing is we would probably expect more of the guy cause that's how good he is. Yesterday I asked my friend if he wanted to bet me that kobe would score 40 the next game he looked at me thought for a sec and said NO! Now come on if I asked him anyone else he would jump on it, that was just alittle something to show u how good this guy really is man I love being a kobe fan!!!!! I live in detroit and I am going to the game sunday right behind the bench and I'm so exited I don't know how u guys that live in L A don't go to evey game u are about to witness the greatest player ever to play the game, HISTORY in the making!!!!! Do any of u guys know when I can by the kobe zoom in detroit I think they come out the 11th and do any of u know when his new commercial is coming out? I can't wait its the rebirth of kobe hahahahahahahahahahahaha and as for the haters let them hate who cares because the more kobe comes out and silences them the greater it will feel!!!! KOBE MVP MVP. He's not done yet there's still 41 more games, wow!!!!!!!!

Everyone listen to:

Hate me Now

-Nas f. Puff Daddy


This song is dedicated to Kobe Bryant.

My life = Basketball
My Passion = Basketball

My Favorite Player when I was a little kid= Michael Jordan

My Favorite Player now as a high school senior= Kobe Bryant

Phil was quoted in an LA Times article today saying Artest to the Lakers is probably not going to happen. You have to wonder how crazy Artest is if he’s deciding where he wants to go. I mean, how many times can the man slap Bird and Walsh in the face? I think the Lakers stick to their guns with a non-LO/Bynum deal. That has to be looking better and better every minute to the Pacers. I bet they even reconsider taking Maggette, foot problem and all. They need to dump Artest pronto because you can see how bad it’s effing up that team. How can the Pacers let Artest dictate these negotiations?!? I’d be so embarrassed. On the other hand, this is great for the Lakers. His value continues to drop and our deal looks sweeter and sweeter. Even better is how the Kings screwed Peja and he wants out too. I know the Lakers can’t afford him, but it’s nice to see anything bad happen to the Kings.

The most obvious story nobody wants to write. A list nobody will ever make. Who is the hardest working person in the NBA? Ask anybody in the NBA and the answer begins and ends with one name. There is no debate and no question. Kobe Bryant.

His single minded focus on basketball is legendary. As a teenager in high school, he would take his dates home to break down his game tapes. He is in the gym hours before anybody else and stays later than everybody.

Every year Kobe’s game changes. One year he added 15 pounds to play small forward. Another year he drops weight to play a faster game and longer minutes. He’ll added a post game to his repertoire. He’ll found a new way to split a double team. He’ll improve his jump shot. Come training camp, the biggest question is what did Kobe add to his game this year?

At present time, he is the only player in the NBA chasing greatness. LaBron, T-Mac, and Shaq may have great games but they have yet to show the effort it takes to be the greatest. To a large extent Kobe’s chase after greatness makes him the most polarizing figure in basketball. Criticism such as he doesn’t make teammates better, can only be made of a person chasing greatness. Who gets criticized for not making their teammates better. It’s a ridiculous statement. How does Kobe help Kwame catch a pass better? How can you help Kwame not miss a point blank lay-up. How do you help players make wide open jumpers? Kwame is actually in a unique position to be a barometer to judge how well Kobe makes his teammates better. He is the only player to have played with both Kobe and Jordan. We all know Jordan had an immensely negative impact on Kwame’s game and psyche. For all of Kwame’s short coming, he is playing better with Kobe than he has ever played with Jordan.

Only Kobe who is as harshly criticized for being selfish. There are countless players such as Iverson, Vince Carter, Antoine Walker who are as selfish and perhaps even more selfish than Kobe who don’t get criticized like Kobe. Players like that are accepted for who they are. Kobe invites criticism because he’s judged by a much higher standard.

The reason Kobe can’t play with Shaq is because Shaq doesn’t take the NBA seriously.
Year in and year out he starts the season out of shape. He never adds anything to his game. He never works on his free-throws. Instead of improving himself, he asks the GM to give him better teammates to play with. So this year, the Heat signs Jason Williams, Antoine Walker, and Gary Payton. When Dr. Jerry Buss needed to make a decision between Shaq and Kobe, Dr. Jerry Buss made the only decision he could make. One always has to go with Kobe because at the end of the day you know he will work harder than anyone to be a better baller. You always go with work ethic and heart.

In Kobe’s own words, "My message is that if you work hard, you can go beyond anyone's expectations, even your own." This is the message we should be sharing with our children when we watch Kobe play.

I don't think the comments here decrying Vince Carter as a hater are fair. From what I read, he was very positive about Kobe's performance, but worried that Kobe's performance might send kids the wrong message and take away from the importance of the team in basketball. He's obviously the wrong person for the message (since I guess he tanked a season to get of the Raptors not that I might not have done the same), but I think it's a worthwhile message.

Kobe's countermessage was pretty damn cool too. He told the kids that if they work hard they might even exceed their own expectations. Kobe's shown that hard work really does pay off. He's practiced so many weird shots and worked so hard that the shotmaking ability and stamina he gained by will alone allowed 81 to happen.

I don't think you can call Nowitzki a hater either. He was asked if he could score 81 and he said he didn't think that would be a good thing for his team (good answer), but it got all twisted around as if he'd said that about Kobe's performance.

Yesterday after reading what was probably my 70th article, I thought I had had my fill. Well, I'm still reading articles and it's not giving me a sick feeling or anything... It's nice to see the sports media latch onto a positive story here and go with it and it really is an event worth considering and analyzing every which way.

I'm not tired of the Ron Artest thread either. He's a fascinating character and wehre he goes will have a big impact in the NBA playoffs.

I read a really funny one yesterday from George Karl saying Carmelo's 37 versus the Raptors was even better than Kobe's performance (yeah I laughed too, but I laughed a little less loudly when I read further that Carmelo shot 81 percent--STILL NOT EVEN CLOSE THOUGH). As much as I respect Scotty Pippen, his comments seemed a little blinded by Jordan love since he talked about how fouls were called more lightly and how you had to work for every shot, but not about changes allowing more defensive flexibility.

More nitpickiness...

Kobe had 2 fouls beyond the arc so he actually got 9 points more due to the 3 point line (he made all 6 free throws he got from beyond the arc).

Someone said no NBA greats other than Magic were positive about Kobe's performance...

What about Elgin Baylor? He was very positive in his message through the Clippers organization even though Kobe broke his Lakers franchise scoring record.

The scoring giants of yesteryear are getting their panties in a bind for no reason. Nobody said Kobe's performance was better than theirs. He scored more points so it's not even really discussed at all. Heh. Being number 3 to Kobe and Wilt and number 2 only to Wilt for almost 30 years should leave a guy pretty happy and frankly Thompson just sounds petty trying to claim his performance is better. Let someone else have the spotlight because you had your time.

Well, considering the way Nas has criticized and dissed Kobe in song after song (and in an ESPN segment), I don't think Kobe will authorize any song as a theme outta Nasir's catalogue anytime soon.

I'm still flabbergasted by the 81 and I thank God for League Pass b/c it allowed me to watch it unfold live. If some want to tarnish that historic memory by hating on the man, then that's their loss.

To paraphrase Kanye: "There'll always be haters, that's the way it is. Hater Dudes, marry Hater Chicks and have Hater Kids."

The most obvious story nobody wants to write. A list nobody will ever make. Who is the hardest working person in the NBA? Ask anybody in the NBA and the answer begins and ends with one name. There is no debate and no question. Kobe Bryant.

His single minded focus on basketball is legendary. As a teenager in high school, he would take his dates home to break down his game tapes. He is in the gym hours before anybody else and stays later than everybody.

Every year Kobe’s game changes. One year he added 15 pounds to play small forward. Another year he drops weight to play a faster game and longer minutes. He’ll added a post game to his repertoire. He’ll found a new way to split a double team. He’ll improve his jump shot. Come training camp, the biggest question is what did Kobe add to his game this year?

At present time, he is the only player in the NBA chasing greatness. LaBron, T-Mac, and Shaq may have great games but they have yet to show the effort it takes to be the greatest. To a large extent Kobe’s chase after greatness makes him the most polarizing figure in basketball. Criticism such as he doesn’t make teammates better, can only be made of a person chasing greatness. Who gets criticized for not making their teammates better. It’s a ridiculous statement. How does Kobe help Kwame catch a pass better? How can you help Kwame not miss a point blank lay-up. How do you help players make wide open jumpers? Kwame is actually in a unique position to be a barometer to judge how well Kobe makes his teammates better. He is the only player to have played with both Kobe and Jordan. We all know Jordan had an immensely negative impact on Kwame’s game and psyche. For all of Kwame’s short coming, he is playing better with Kobe than he has ever played with Jordan.

Only Kobe who is as harshly criticized for being selfish. There are countless players such as Iverson, Vince Carter, Antoine Walker who are as selfish and perhaps even more selfish than Kobe who don’t get criticized like Kobe. Players like that are accepted for who they are. Kobe invites criticism because he’s judged by a much higher standard.

The reason Kobe can’t play with Shaq is because Shaq doesn’t take the NBA seriously.
Year in and year out he starts the season out of shape. He never adds anything to his game. He never works on his free-throws. Instead of improving himself, he asks the GM to give him better teammates to play with. So this year, the Heat signs Jason Williams, Antoine Walker, and Gary Payton. When Dr. Jerry Buss needed to make a decision between Shaq and Kobe, Dr. Jerry Buss made the only decision he could make. One always has to go with Kobe because at the end of the day you know he will work harder than anyone to be a better baller. You always go with work ethic and heart.

In Kobe’s own words, "My message is that if you work hard, you can go beyond anyone's expectations, even your own." This is the message we should be sharing with our children when we watch Kobe play.

Kb8 fan,

Dude that is perfect "you can hate me now" how funny I bet if they played that before every game kobe would score like 50 -60 a game and the funny thing is we would probably expect more of the guy cause that's how good he is. Yesterday I asked my friend if he wanted to bet me that kobe would score 40 the next game he looked at me thought for a sec and said NO! Now come on if I asked him anyone else he would jump on it, that was just alittle something to show u how good this guy really is man I love being a kobe fan!!!!! I live in detroit and I am going to the game sunday right behind the bench and I'm so exited I don't know how u guys that live in L A don't go to evey game u are about to witness the greatest player ever to play the game, HISTORY in the making!!!!! Do any of u guys know when I can by the kobe zoom in detroit I think they come out the 11th and do any of u know when his new commercial is coming out? I can't wait its the rebirth of kobe hahahahahahahahahahahaha and as for the haters let them hate who cares because the more kobe comes out and silences them the greater it will feel!!!! KOBE MVP MVP. He's not done yet there's still 41 more games, wow!!!!!!!!

Andrew Z,

Totally, brother! Bird must be losing his mind right now, having this punkass trying to dictate the terms of the trade.

If I was Bird, right now, just to remind everyone of who he is, I'd say, "The trade is off. We're keeping Artest on the inactive list for the rest of the year."

Okay, next topic?

The talk is praise enough. Good or bad they're all talking about it, and what was the last thing EVERYBODY TALKED about? A BRAWL in Detroit? This is better.

The haters have all lost their minds! When you have Greg Anthony, coming forward with an opinion, then all IS lost.

Let me get this straight: Vince Quitter is telling someone how to be a role model for playing the right way? The guy who actually THREW A GAME by telling the other team what play his team would run in the final seconds of a game? And nobody in the media mentions this, he just gets to rip on the #1 competitor in the NBA? Unreal.

Dan Bickley, Jerry Greene, Greg Couch, Chuck Bausman. All of these Kobe-haters seem to have one thing in common: Nobody knows who they are or cares what they think. In the "I don't really care what they think" column, you can add Vince "Half-the Game-Half-Amazing" Carter, Scott "I'm the 17th Best Center to Ever Play with Michael Jordan" Williams, Antoine "Flagrant" Walker, David "You Give Me $73, I'll Give You $81 Back" Thompson, Pat "Gordon Gekko called and he wants his Pennzoil back" Riley, and Charles "What a Fool Am I -- Yes, You Are" Barkley.

DAVID THOMPSON -

David Thompson's team was feeding him the ball the whole game against bottom dwellers to help him win the scoring title at the end of the season.

Kobe played against a team that was going to win against his team if he didn't step it up. Kobe scored 81 points so that his team could win the game and prevent a 3-game losing streak. As much a people complain about Kobe being selfish, I doubt that he would score 80 points to win a scoring title for himself like David Thompson did.

RAPTOR's DEFENSE

Also, as much as people complain about the Raptors being a poor defensvive team. This "poor defensive team" held Kobe's teamates to about 30% shooting that night, but they couldn't stop Kobe despite double and triple-teams. They may be bottom feeders, but I've seen worse teams.

As BK/AK pointed out, more than a few sports pundits that are giving Kobe's 81 "a thumb sideways."

That's okay though. '8' sideways looks a lot like infinity.

VINCE CARTER AND THE REST OF HATING PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE SHOULD SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT KOBE BRYANT'S 81 POINTS PERFORMANCE. DON'T BE JEALOUS THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT. ESPECIALLY VINCE CARTER. VINCE YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN TO YOURSELF HOW STUPID YOU ARE. YOU SAY IT'S BAD FOR KIDS THAT KOBE SCORES 81. THAT IT'S SENDING THE WRONG MESSAGE WELL GUESS WHAT PAL? YOU'VE BEEN A HIPROCRITE ALL THIS TIME. VINCE JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BE LIKE KOBE DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TALK SMACK ON HIM. JUST KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED AND KEEP SHOOTING MORE BRICKS BECAUSE THAT'S AS CLOSE AS YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO NUMBER 8.

Jumper,

I couldn't have said it better. If you read Kobe's response to Vince Carter's statement that's what he said "My message is that if you work hard, you can go beyond anyone's expectations, even your own."
And it's what I teach my children. If you work hard and always always try to do your best, then the impossible is possible.

I was watching ESPN NBA Coast-to-Coast last night and Greg Anthony gave major props to Kobe. He was the only person who gave entire comment that was all praises. I think this says a lot. Another thing that was debated was how AI has worn out his ball hogging ways in Philly and not only C-Webb but everyone else is sick of it. One of the commentators asked how it was different in LA and I believe Ric Bucher said it’s because Kobe’s teammates know how Kobe gives it everything he has at the other end of the floor and that goes a long way. Needless to say, if Kobe’s dedication rubs off just a bit on this current roster, we’re going to do some good things.

How many teams do you think that were in the “hunt” for Artest saw this little Suckramento debacle and totally drew their offer to the Pacers off the table? This is hilarious. I say Bird either gets the trade to go through to the Kings or they de-activate him for the year and try to move him in the off-season.

Yes lord, forgive me for I have sinned, I have committed the sin of being human, even King David oh father fell for the charms of another man’s wife and yet you found it in your heart to still grant him favor. It was said in your good book “let he who is innocent cast the first stone, father I most have fallen into the den of righteousness, because I am being stoned to death.

Yes Lord, I ask forgiveness from you because I know that my brethren never would give me rest, you see I forever wounded them by being born. They pray for my downfall with the fervent desperation of a burning fever, that they are all hypocrites matters not oh father. Statistics says that nine out of ten men have cheated either their wives or their girlfriends at least once in their lifetime but my sin is that the one out of ten that is not cheating father is a sports journalist.

Even though my reputation has been tarnished and my income greatly reduced it is not enough punishment for me oh father. The wolves are baying at the door, praying that I crash spectacularly, that I be treated like an outcast, disgraced and shunned forever, a testament to the folly of ambition oh father, so that their sense of justice would be satisfied.

My real sin father is that I dare to be great, while my brethrens all continue to live small lives of quiet desperation, where their only sense of relevance comes from their righteous indignation. The drunks call me a Wino, the backstabbers call me a traitor, the murderers call me a serial killer, philanders say I am an adulterer, Lord all I ask is that you grant me peace, let frustration and anger continue to motivate my brethren, just show the me the part to your forgiveness.

The Fear

ARTEST HAS AGREED TO GO TO SACTOWN! AS REPORTED ON ESPN RADIO....( pending a conversation with the kings owner)...IT LOOKS LIKE he's going to queen town!

It's hilarious. I think Indy's management is by far the stupidest. lol, Artest to Sacramento haha! Why would Artest want to go to a city filled with cows. Who the hell would think it would go through. Indy is so stupid to the point that I can't say more.

The job of a player is to do what it takes for his team to win. If that means he has to score 81 for the team to win, then that IS being a team player.

The hard part is determining when to sacrifice the current possession/game for the benefit of the future. I.e. do you keep passing it to Kwame/Smush/Sacha now, knowing that you might lose this game, or not do as well this season, but that in the long run the team will benefit. That would drive someone like Kobe (or Jordan) crazy, as competitive as they are, and that is where the coach needs to step in. And I'm sure that Phil doesn't hesitate to step in when he thinks it is necessary.

The Fear - Couldn't have said a better paryer myself.

Anyone read this wacky article:

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story.asp?ID=152159

Guy talks about Kobe's performance not being interesting because Kobe didn't seem into it.

How funny is that? Kobe, in my mind, flipped his emotional top and hugged Phil Jackson. If that's not an emotional outburst, I don't know what is. He didn't jump up in the air and swing his fist like Jordan, but he was too in the zone for something like that. Jordan was like a fighter, Kobe was a basketball assassin. The guy couldn't fully respond to his interview about it because it was so overwelming.

To avoid suspension without pay! That's why Artest has agreed to the trade, but it won't change how he really feels, he is still going ask for a trade out of SAC, which should make the Kings owners back out of the deal anyways.

mike

Mr. Vince Carter,

What an ignorant comment to make. First, if kids wanting to ball would try to emulate a mid-range shot, that would actually be good for the game.

Secondly, why was Jordan's 69 not bad, but Kobe's 81 is? Is it a matter of 12 points that will bend these kids impressionable minds. Let me see...no kid would try gunning for MJ's 69, but 81 has now warped their minds. I mean do you honestly think kids are going into bball games saying today, "I have to score 81 just like Kobe."

Thirdly, what concerned me more than Kobe's shooting exhibition was the inordinate amount of playground ballers trying to put their arms in the rims of the hoop after a dunk. Don't you think that warped kids minds moreso than showing an all-around shooting exercise like Kobe did? And don't you think you loading up to dunk a ball, windmilling, 360ing, etc is worse for impressionable kids than scoring 81 points?

Making your statement made you sound silly, petty, and juvenile...kinda like you were sippin on that haterade!! So just go back to all that stuff you do that is such a good influence on kids...like pouting when your team doesn't do well, half-assing it for an entire year so you can get traded, having theteam that nurtured you give you away for virtually nothing, deciding to play again after getting out of a situation you were at least partly responsible for creating...oh, and making them get rid of their best player b/c you didn't want to compete with cuz! you know, those things the kids can look up to!!!

Benjamin

Guys like that Tim Chisholm write stuff like "Yet, there still persists this lingering sense of disappointment." The disappointment only exists in his mind, not even in his mind but it's just his style of writing to convey his envy and trying to get his readers to say..."yeah!" The only dissapointment was by the Kobe haters! Guys like that try to project/hide their hatred in a sophisticated manner so they don't have to deal with their unfounded hatred for a player they envy. Without that shield they would have to confront their wanna be animalistic nature, which is kinda of a oxi-moron type of thing because they're really pussy cats trying to devour that which they are incapable of devouring. It's like a pussy cat trying to chase a zebra in Africa. Sure it's a cat but it's out of its element. So, Tim writes these projections because he tries to get the crowd to agree with him since he can't, in and of himself, chase the zebra.

"So where does he go from here? How does Kobe Bryant fill the next ten years of his basketball career? This is a player who looks disinterested at best (angry at worst) while scoring 81-points in one game."

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Give us a break Mr. Intellectual, or shall I say Mr. pseudo intellectual, or simply, little pussy cat, you're really out of your element when you write/attack about a Lion, Kobe, and not some zebra, Scottie, Charles, and all the other Kobe haters.

mike

First, I think the only people who should gripe about Kobe's 3-point assisted 81 points are those people who were guards who scored 72 or more points. How many people fit into that category? None.

Wilt, Thompson, Robinson, etc. still would have scored what they scored because they weren't shooting 25-30-footers anyway. Any person with that argument really needs to pull out a calculator and do some math. Kobe got 9 extra points from the 3-pointer (the shots plus the two extra free throws).

The only guy whose degree of difficulty matches what Kobe did is Jerry West. Jerry is the only old-era guy who regularly shot 30-footers. Kobe is the only modern era guy who regularly shoots 30-footers. BTW, do you know Kobe's shooting% on the DEEP 3-pointer is 50%? He's worse when he steps up to the 3-point line!

Don't sleep on Jerry. Remember, Chick used to call Jerry's jump shot the “30-foot lay-up”. He really is the only historical scorer who was robbed by the 3-point line to that degree. That's why Jerry understands Kobe. Jerry played the same way, and Jerry played with Hall of Fame players and he would STILL shoot all the shots in a game. He would dribble past half court, hoist a shot, turn around and be back on defense before the ball swished into the basket. Jerry was a PIMP on the court. Then, just to add insult to injury, he would lock-up your best scorer on the other end. Jerry KNEW and I mean KNEW that he could win the game all by himself.

Jerry gets Kobe. He's a GM and President now, so he's got to say all the correct "team first" stuff. But, if you actually watch his interviews about Kobe, and you can see the deep respect he has for the kid. That's why the only player/ex-player opinion about Kobe that I actually respect is from Jerry West. Mr. Logo.

Jerry would have scored 80 easy a couple of times if he had the 3-point line. Everyone else is just jealous. I can't believe that hypocrite Vince popped off about team play when he admitted that he put himself before not only a team, but a WHOLE city (province, country). He admitted as much. What a loser!

all these excuses about the 3point line being absent in the past, but they keep forgetting not every good scorer can shoot a 3pointer, and that would have meant more misses. ofcourse it would have favored some , but not all! whose fault is it that 3 point was not existence. its like the players from the no-dunking era saying they would have muscled their way to 100 points too,if dunks were allowed. evrybody has their time shine, is what you make of it that counts. it hurts me when educated people talk like illiterates, that is, pat riley syaing anybody can score 81. you don't have to like kobe, but don't just hate on him for no reason. some critics say kobe is very much hated, they can tell because his jersey sales is #5, well that is pretty good, does he have to be #1? that is the standard they set for him, that to me is respect. they hate him so much, they voted for him in the all star game, leading all players but yao, and yao, whom the whole of china votes for, is about 100grand over kobe in votes. now tell me if you think they hate him. they envy and are jealous of him. he could retire now at 27, with three rings and still become a hall of famer.

You want to know what the truth is?

Somewhere, sometime during that 81 points masterpiece by Kobe, "the heirs of MJ" (T-mac, AI, Lebron, Flash, Vinsanity etc...) all realised the same thing at the same time:
During their appreciation or hatred for the feat their inner voice painfully aknowledged, "I CAN'T DO THAT!"

And that my friends is called breaking your opponents will!

If the Kings owners were smart they would pass on Artest and say that it's because of Sacramento that they can't attract quality player and move to Las Vegas. They should say that Artest indicated he didn't want to play for SAC and that in their minds that hasn't changed.

mike


Numbers of Destiny

Let's have some fun with Kobe's numbers.

81, and now Mr. 81, are #8 and #1, the first time #8 and #1 are officially linked together.

Lakers were down by 18, Kobe scored 81, and in the end the Lakers won by 18.

Kobe scored 81 in his 666th game, 6+6+6=18, and if you understand Chinese, 666 together mean luck, worry-free, and clear sailing.

81 is the sqaure of 9, 9+9=18, 9 and 9 means long-lasting or forever.

Well, seems like 81 is a perfect number for Kobe. So, this game would be either the height or the turning point of Kobe's career. Let's sit back and jope it is a turning point.


Lanshen,

Kobe scored 81 points in his 666th game? Maybe Kobe sold his soul to the Devil for that point total.

Maybe the devil got to Plaschke as well?

I would have though he was working for Satan a long time ago? The underworld is a tricky thing.

Vince Carter Sucks!! He is simply Jealous.

Jim Rome's take on Vince Carters Statement about Kobe

"A few days after it happened, the entire NBA is still buzzing about Kobe Bryant going off for 81 against the Toronto Raptors. Well, everyone except New Jersey’s Vince Carter who says, while it was fine for the league, it wasn’t good for the kids watching:

Carter said, “The only bad thing about it is that younger kids, whose minds are easily warped, are going to think, ohhhhh! I’m going to go out there and do it instead of (honoring) the team concept first.”

Let me see if I have this straight Vince, Bryant lighting Toronto up for 81 is not good for the kids, but you shutting it down in Toronto to force a trade is?

Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me. You’re the last guy who should be commenting on what is or isn’t good for the kids. Believe me; Bryant jacking it up 46 times in an effort to get to 81 isn’t nearly as damaging a message to send to young ballers as that stunt you pulled in Toronto. Save it, Vince. "

Everyone talks about how Oscar, or Jerry, or Wilt could have done this or that if they had wanted to. That is because the league was weaker back then. The great players that were there didn't have as much competition. When Wilt came into the league, there were only two other 7-footers. Total. Now there are at least that many on each team. And another 3 6'10/6'11 power forwards. No way Wilt could score 100 in today's league. I doubt if he could score 81. He would still be a great player, but he would not dominate like he did. THink Bill Russell could get 40 rebounds in one game today?
What Kobe did was better than what Wilt did!

Re Pat Riley's comments:
Can you imagine how Shaq would react if he praised Kobe's performance? Of course, he had to say what he said... stupid sounding as it was.

Hey @ "Jumper",

Very well said

to tell ya'll the truth i haven't really bothered in reading any columns conserning Kobe's 81. in my book that was the best game i have ever seen, and will ever see in my life. I am going to be telling my grandkids about that game 50 years from now, so i leave it at that. i dont need no media person telling me how to think about the game, or giving me reason's to doubt kobe's undeniable talent. It was a great game, and yes some of us may see it differently from others, but that is one's own decision, if you didnt enjoy the game well so be it, but everybody has to acknoledge kobe's greatness, and for the sake of the true basketball fans, everybody has to stop hatin...

go lakers

Jumper,

Great article by Roland!

I can not believe Vince Carters comments. How can he say anything about being a good role model for kids, when he refused to play hard because he didnt like the team he was on. Raptors......remember that.....He is just jealous because Kobe has will and heart to bring the Lakers to another level, no matter what it takes.

Isn't it funny almost all sports-writers from Chicogo whined and it's so underatandable because couple years ago they worshiped MJ like dogs, and they just couldn't accept the truth.

Hey La La people,

I dont think Kobe can score that much against clippers. We catch and kill mamba's.

Kobe is a selfish player. He got no team concept. he sucks.

CLIPPERS RULE...

Plaschke seems to be easing up now...two pieces in a row where he defends (kind of) the ocho.

Hey Clip Fan you Sucks , shut the hell out!!!

English is not my native language. I am a basketball fan @ taiwan. I just want to share couple of my thought^^

right now, timberwolves is playing against grizzlies.
2nd Qtr, timberwolves down by 22.
besides garnett, the other players shoot about 29%
just like the game lakers played three days ago.

it will be no doubt in anybody's mind that it's time for none but Kevin Garnett to take over the game, or will it?

You ask any body and you will not get 2nd answer!!
It's not the time to try to think: man, how do "I" make my teammates better out here or man i should pass them 20 times and see if they get hot. It's about how can we overcome and win back this game.

i found it very hard to believe the thing that nick van horn said the other day. I mean basketball is decide by point not asst!! oh so u decide to shoot some hoops and tell ur opponent that cuz u have more asst therefor u should win the game while score is 112:90? oh, and the team play you thought you played so well? guess what, it was 62:61.

by my understanding, asst, block, rebounds, def...etc are just some tools that helps u to get more point to win the game! kobe can't turn odem to pippen, nor make brown becoming rodman (hell if u think jordan taught rodman how to rebound) Jordan can't ask parker to shoot like kerr and get this: jordan definitely cannot tell refs to stop calling PF on mihm 10 times per every three mins!! no offense to the other lakers plays but they need to step up cuz it's their job!! they make money- tons of it for play the this game!! for example, take kobe out of count, the team make 68% on free throw line!! if they can just shoot... let's say 78% and lakers record right now will be 27-15 if no less. yeah, kobe sure can call everybody to get up @7:00 to take 200 free throw shot everyday... ...

put '92 barkely in this team, it's hard to see how he can help but take 30+ shots per game. and i highly doubt that he can turn this lakers team to a solid playoff team so he needs to shut up.

there is no "i" in the team but...there will be no team without "m-e"! i heard enough about: you cannot win champ if you are selfish or blah blah teamplayer... ... my question to you is: please count how many so called team players never had the ring if you can?

i am so tired to see all those espn guys and bunch of no-namers use this double standard measurement thing on kobe! and it's hard to believe that this is happen on the land that invented basketball. this is sad, a shame.

well, it will be nice to see if garnett can score 81 points for a come-from-behind W, ritht?

RIGHT???

Big props to Lazenby. Kobe for MVP. To hell the haters.

And again, don't be fooled by the latimes NBA reporters/columnists. For them to even mention that Shaq initiated the peace guesture, implying he was the bigger man is telling. For them to refer to that GQ article about Kobe being among the most hated athelets quoting his "peers," or that Kobe being scary to his teammates is an attempt to disuise their cheap shots at Kobe. Their selection of topics about Kobe's feat shows their deep resentment towards Kobe.

Barkley couldn't make his teammates better, he tried but he coultn't. He thought his teammates suck that drog him down and that's the reason he kiss good-bye the Phoenix and joined with some big name player. But after he went to Houston, they never win another ring!
And now he is complaining about Kobe couldn't make his teammates better?
Since when a no ring player teach a 3 times champ how to win?

i couldn't have said it any better ccsmile...great job!
screw all the haters, kobe walks on water (yes i'm one of those...well im also a conspiracy person)

=)

Kobe is one of the most professional world athlete.He gives a hundred percent performance every game even when is off. He works hard to prepare himself before games and even off-season more than his team mates who are lesser in talents.The laker owners get their money's worth and to think that he is not the highest paid NBA player. As far as i'm concern, he is not one of the most hated nba players, just look at the tally of votes he is getting for the nba all star games. He makes his team mates look better by winning the games for them. Odom gets a lot assist credit because kobe makes the shots while he cannot have so much assists because his team mates do not make the shot. It's a two-way street, so don't blame him.

Watching Vince coming into training camp, out of shape last year with the Raptor's..sulking, not trying, and finally giving the opposing team--a play the Raptor's were running--is someone I want as a role model for kids....Vince, you are a Arrogant athlete who is obviously Jealous of Kobe Bryant...What did you get your degree in at North Carolina--stupidity.

i was really pissed off with vince's comments. for me, that was uncalled for especially that such comment came from him. my god, has he forgotten what he had done against his own team back in toronto?

it shows his true colors, an attention seeker, a jealous punk, and a loser.

keep it up vince!!! we'll just watch you fall.

i was really disappointed with carter's comment. i didn't expect it from him. i don't know what he had in mind when he said that.

bad example he said. did he forget his primaddona stunt back in toronto?

i'm beginning to see carter's true colors. his not a player with a winner's attitude. he a player seeking for his own popularity and self glorification.

to give such comment cemented my opinion that he indeed is a jealous, envious type of player.

he doesn't deserve to be in the dream team.

What is it with you so-called BB critics? Do they get some type of masochistic, orgasmic pleasure in deriding KB? Always finding fault in everything he does. What was he suppose to do when his team was down by 18 points in the 3rd quarter and the rest of his teammates were shooting like they just graduated from the Ray Charles Brick-laying School. The NBA, like all sports, is just another form of entertainment and KB entertains like few others. Only one team can win a championship and this year the Motor City—barring any serious injuries—has a chokehold on it… 90% of the other teams have no shot (no pun) to win the big enchilada, so why are fans going to watch their home team play knowing that not even the playoffs are a realisitic possibilty?
I bet if Shawn, Amare or Nash had some other-worldly type game and scored 81 there would be no negative talk… No glory-hogging hue & cries… No… Nothing but unbridled superlatives… Give KB the same respect. He can’t undo his past transgressions, (let all the goodie-two-shoes non-sinners cast the first stone...)but he’s matured and is trying to be a good ambassador for the game; he's certainly become a better, more vocal leader. All he needs is Ben Wallace and a true point guard like Paul--that's a recipe for three, or four more C-rings!

Your work is marvelous!!
;)


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